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    blue dot! All Hail Trail Mix!


    GOLD BAR RIM SINGLETRACK APPROVED TO BUILD!!! (BLUE DOT....)

    VOLUNTEER TO MAKE THIS GREAT TRAIL EVEN BETTER!

    * Work will start on
    Monday Sept 29th and continue through October.
    * We will start work at the end of the Gold Bar Rim Trail, S.E., as it meets the road that goes to the Portal. yes, this means a hike up the Portal trail.
    *Trail Mix crew members; Brian Lugers and Tyson Swasey, will work a Sunday & Monday schedule to begin with. They plan to be
    up at the work site about 8:30 and work most of the day.


    Yes, yes. The trail you've probably heard about for years, (Blue Dot), is soon to be legal! Please consider helping Brian and Tyson by volunteer to rebuild and make some changes to sections of the trail. The Trail Mix Committee has received approval from the BLM to begin work on the old BLUE DOt Trail. The BLM Record of Decision included reviews from the archaeologists and wildlife specialists, among others. While the original trail will remain largely the same, there will be a few realignments.
    "Trail building" will include .... quote Brian..."user impact remediation and closing/obfuscation of multi-trails." Also, expect several days of hard rock work.

    Please don't work without Brian or Tyson present, and solo travel to the work site is not recommended, bring a friend or crew member. The Gold Bar Rim Trail, and access routes are very long and remote.

    BRING WATER....MORE WATER..... LUNCH, SNACKS, GLOVES, SUNSCREEN.

    Hope you can help with this project.
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    This is great news. Considering what they've done with Ahab/Hymasa I trust the few changes they have to make will be liveable and still fun. Hopefully trail "obfuscation of multi-trails" doesn't mean the demise of some of the more challenging and fun "A-line" drops and features.
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    My understanding is that the drops and features are staying.

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    I'm gonna be out there next week specifically, October 7th on Mag 7. Will Blue Dot be a legal trail at that time?

    Certainly it'll still be under construction, just wondering if the raw route will be legal to ride or if we'd be better off staying on the current route.

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    Sounds like they're only working on the trail Sundays and Mondays for now. I suspect its status is unchanged (officially) until work is complete.
    I admit that I don't know the official answer to that question yet.
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    Well color me surprised. With this on the official map, I give it one year before some yahoo falls off the rim.

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    I'm guessing some of the reroutes will be for the few spots where the trail is currently very close to the rim. But, yeah, you can't protect idiots from every eventuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I'm guessing some of the reroutes will be for the few spots where the trail is currently very close to the rim. But, yeah, you can't protect idiots from every eventuality.
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    I don't know what you are talking about? One pedal smack here and you are falling to 191.

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    ^ that made me pucker sitting at my desk.

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    Please don't Porcupine Rim it Trail Mix. My preference would be to establish reroutes away from the edge of the cliff, but leave all of the drops and rolls undisturbed. There are plenty of intermediate trails in Moab, but only a few advanced trails (Jackson, Rockstacker). I rode Capatain Ahab for the first time a couple of weeks ago and consider that an intermediate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind View Post
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    I don't know what you are talking about? One pedal smack here and you are falling to 191.
    Yeah that's one of the spots I was thinking about. But generally there's a pretty good safe distance from the edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippling over canyons View Post
    Please don't Porcupine Rim it Trail Mix. My preference would be to establish reroutes away from the edge of the cliff, but leave all of the drops and rolls undisturbed. There are plenty of intermediate trails in Moab, but only a few advanced trails (Jackson, Rockstacker). I rode Capatain Ahab for the first time a couple of weeks ago and consider that an intermediate.
    Amen to that. Although a couple of the best drops start right on the edge. I'd hate to lose those.

    Update on status of blue dot. I rode Gold Bar ST today and there was a sign at the start of the section that used to be closed (up the slick rock and around the deep canyon then back up to the rim) that said, "Expert riders only. Route may be difficult to follow." Nothing about being closed. Hmm. My local connection was shocked by that as he was pretty sure that was one section that would be lost. Looked pretty official and permanent. Shrug. I rode it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Amen to that. Although a couple of the best drops start right on the edge. I'd hate to lose those.

    Update on status of blue dot. I rode Gold Bar ST today and there was a sign at the start of the section that used to be closed (up the slick rock and around the deep canyon then back up to the rim) that said, "Expert riders only. Route may be difficult to follow." Nothing about being closed. Hmm. My local connection was shocked by that as he was pretty sure that was one section that would be lost. Looked pretty official and permanent. Shrug. I rode it.
    Our shuttle driver for Burro last weekend said it's good to go and legal. We rode it the next day and really the only change from last year were all the additional expert only/turn around now signage they had added to a few existing markers. Funny that the AREA CLOSED painting on the rocks on the way up the climb is still there to confuse those that don't know where they are going. Its really tough to get lost up there along the rim if you just stay left at any intersections. Even past the last junction with Gold Spike jeep road the cairns are abundant over to the road to Portal. Hoping they leave all the existing lines (except maybe that one pictured but still, walking it is fine) but I'm worried that overhang and drop in your photo will be routed around. Overall it will be nice to not have to worry about ranger spotting while on Blue Dot but I'm sure some cool lines will be skipped and become a bit harder to find ala Rockstacker.

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    Re: blue dot! All Hail Trail Mix!

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    Rode Blue Dot a few days ago. Killer trail. Definitely need your Big Boy pants on to clean it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rippling over canyons View Post
    Please don't Porcupine Rim it Trail Mix. My preference would be to establish reroutes away from the edge of the cliff, but leave all of the drops and rolls undisturbed. There are plenty of intermediate trails in Moab, but only a few advanced trails (Jackson, Rockstacker). I rode Capatain Ahab for the first time a couple of weeks ago and consider that an intermediate.
    FYI, I havent seen any evidence that the members of trailmix monitor this thread or the Utah forum regularly. Sometimes I forward missives from trailmix to here as a public service, but I'm not affiliated, and am not sure the decision makers see your feedback.
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    Rode Blue Dot yesterday and encountered the trail crew about halfway to portal. Looked like some good work to me. Really cool trail, nice to see it legitimized.

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    Anyone have experience riding the new blue dot compared to the old one? Just read this:

    In other Moab news, a former unsanctioned trail on the bluffs north of town known as the “Blue Dot Trail” has been formally added to the area’s trail inventory and is now called the Gold Bar Rim Singletrack. Known for it’s difficulty and trials-like demeanor, local trail builders have added “helper lines” to make the route more rideable while maintaining the original’s techy personality. Additionally, the blue dots have been replaced with yellow lines and additional signage is being installed.

    Hopefully it hasn't been too sanitized, one of the best aspects of that trail was trying to navigate, I'm hoping they just didn't paint a yellow line down the middle of the entire thing like some other Moab trails.

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    If it's a sanctioned route it pretty much needs to be reasonably easy to follow. Think resource protection (lost riders thru crypto patches) and liability. Standard issues once things become official.

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    I doubt much has changed with the new Gold Bar Rim singletrack compared to the original Blue Dot routing. The reroute section is about 1,000' and it does bypass a challenging section of the original routing, but after the original routing there was a new routing (that many riders never knew existed) that made the original routing even way more challenging. By taking that super techie route you would miss the somewhat grueling uphill section where the steep trail tread has hundreds of layers of eroding sandstone. The new re-route by passes that uphill section that was a real killer on 90 degree plus days when your water was either all used up or close to being sucked dry.

    A few riders have gotten seriously injured on the second routing, so those riders who could clean that section are going to be a little disappointed with the new 1,000' reroute because it is definitely not a triple black diamond. Actually the new 1,000' section is no gimme there are a couple pretty big moves that will challenge even an advanced rider.

    The attached is a picture of one of the Trailmix guys (Mike) moving a large rock over to a 7' high ledge where the rock was used as a foundation for a huge rock slab that was grip hoisted (by the Captain Ahab builder) on top of the large rock and used as the ramp for the 7' high roll off the ledge. That spot took two days to build and it would have never been built without the experience of Mike and Tyson.

    I am curious if anyone has ridden up the ramp going north bound?

    One of the helper routes is where the trail goes out to the very edge and leaves about a three foot wide section of trail that if you fell off the ledge you would probably die or be broken into a lot of little pieces. Mike told me they were going to put in a re-route there for riders who had better judgement than the group who are very confident in there riding skills. No doubt someone will fall off that ledge in the future and they will put up one of those someone died here signs like was done on the Portal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50cents View Post
    I doubt much has changed with the new Gold Bar Rim singletrack compared to the original Blue Dot routing. The reroute section is about 1,000' and it does bypass a challenging section of the original routing, but after the original routing there was a new routing (that many riders never knew existed) that made the original routing even way more challenging. By taking that super techie route you would miss the somewhat grueling uphill section where the steep trail tread has hundreds of layers of eroding sandstone. The new re-route by passes that uphill section that was a real killer on 90 degree plus days when your water was either all used up or close to being sucked dry.

    A few riders have gotten seriously injured on the second routing, so those riders who could clean that section are going to be a little disappointed with the new 1,000' reroute because it is definitely not a triple black diamond. Actually the new 1,000' section is no gimme there are a couple pretty big moves that will challenge even an advanced rider.

    The attached is a picture of one of the Trailmix guys (Mike) moving a large rock over to a 7' high ledge where the rock was used as a foundation for a huge rock slab that was grip hoisted (by the Captain Ahab builder) on top of the large rock and used as the ramp for the 7' high roll off the ledge. That spot took two days to build and it would have never been built without the experience of Mike and Tyson.

    I am curious if anyone has ridden up the ramp going north bound?

    One of the helper routes is where the trail goes out to the very edge and leaves about a three foot wide section of trail that if you fell off the ledge you would probably die or be broken into a lot of little pieces. Mike told me they were going to put in a re-route there for riders who had better judgement than the group who are very confident in there riding skills. No doubt someone will fall off that ledge in the future and they will put up one of those someone died here signs like was done on the Portal.
    Thanks for the info. Curious to see the newly routed section in person. I'm trying to picture where the climbing section is that you mentioned, was it on the initial climb up to the rim or further along past the overlook? I know there were a couple punchy climbs up on the rim but don't recall much in the way of fun moves on them that will be missed. I think there's a climb that leads up to that overhanging rock in the photos that Krob and I posted so I'm wondering if they routed away from that?

    Really want to see the completed rockwork you pictured, especially after suggesting that it might be ridable going up as well. Still on a bit of a Moab tech climbing high after a big day of sessioning around Amasa/Rockstacker/Ahab over the weekend.

    As a whole, would you say the original lines were left rideable if people wanted to check them out or are they closed/blocked off? Did they maintain all the A and B line options?

    Gotta say I was a bit disheartened to see that they went yellow paint crazy on the climb(and I'm assuming the whole route). A friend rode Blue Dot today and posted a video clip of that move lower down on the climb with rock ledge/ramp, to tight left, to ledge/ramp, to squeeze between the rock on the right and 10 foot drop on the left. There's about 10 lines painted on that 25ish foot section of trail and it's pretty unsightly. I guess that's the nature of BLM approval though, beats the neverending skidmark from the first time they marked Rockstacker. The photographer in me hates that Moab photos are looking more and more like Pac-Man.

    edit--Just saw a couple photos from the same person that posted the video and there aren't any dots on the overhang rock. Guess that either means it got routed around or maybe they spared the paint in some places?
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