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    3/22 Bobsled is perfect right now!

    Hey all,

    I did a little Bobsled recon yesterday (sunday) and found it to be completely dry! I came up from Dry creek, and there are probably 5 patches of mud along the way. In the shaded, wooded nooks there are 100 foot muddy sections. In Bobsled its self the spring that usually flows mid spring hasn't started up yet, it may not due to low snowpack/ground water. The traction is great, and the dirt is tacky or completely dry. There are 2 little snowpatches that can be ridden around. The jumps look good and safe. Coming up from The north way (i rode back up for a second lap) is OK, there is an icy snowpack section on that steepest part of the early climb. Not too much of a problem.

    Hit it up!

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    thank you..have been wondering about that.

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    Hit it this afternoon. Was totally shocked at how stellar conditions are. Jumps are perfection (I recommend a few pedal strokes for the second one if it's your first time). And if a disgruntled hiker tears them out this year, hopefully they'll take the orange flags on the lips out so we know its destroyed and don't wreck ourselves. . .

    Thanks woodland forest trail gnomes!

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    Aaaannd the jumps are destroyed now.
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    Yeah, what's going on.

    I hit the trail last night. Top section was about as good as it gets. Middle section was awesome. All of the jumps EXCEPT the ditch jump were set up prime.

    I hit the trail this morning. Top section was still awesome. Middle section as well. Got down to the jumps and the middle gap (between the 1st and 2nd car) was completely destroyed.

    I was wondering if someone knocked it down in order to rebuild it, or if someone is getting mad about jumps that aren't even in the way...or what

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Aaaannd the jumps are destroyed now.
    You've got to be kidding me. We need to setup a web cam and stake that thing out.

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    It's a landowner that lives towards the bottom. Rumor has it his son banged himself up pretty bad last year. Such a shame, I wish the city would recognize the use that trail gets and either manage it themselves or sign a LOCAL group to manage it. Good old NIMBY at it's best. The car jumps are still intact? Just the new middle one is gone?

    For the person who spends their own personal time hacking the features, I have this to say: The jumps keep getting rebuilt and probably always will. Why don't you contact the city or hang out on the trail and talk to some riders? There is not a feature up there that you can't roll around easily and nothing has been built out of wood. Man up, stop being a coward and ruining other people's HARMLESS fun. I'm also astounded at the amount of free time you have. I'm sure you don't lose any sleep over it, but Karma can be a real b#tch sometimes.

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    It really is super frustrating people knock down the jumps. I agree with the idea that if we keep rebuilding eventually the person ripping them out will run out of anger/steam/interest. Kind of the same idea, but in reverse of the story in the Tipping Point about the grafitti problem on NYC subways. Having said that I am down for a trail day up there if anyone else wants go go.

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    Please people I am begging you

    Stop F'n with the trail. Its been around a couple decades and became so popular for good reason. Quit Building things, Quit Tearing them out. If you want a new trail with jumps and loop de loops go build a new trail. The Condition of Bobsled compared to what it was 5-10 years ago is a prime example to the forest service of why monutain bikes should be dis-allowed in wilderness areas. There is absolutly no way you could look at that trail and argue that Cyclist are doing no more damage then hikers or horses. The debate is going on right now with regard to the cottonwoods and SLC's other canyons, and there are people who want to continue the ban on wheeled travel in wilderness areas. Fortunatly there are people who are arguing that Cyclists do not damage trails. Help them out and don't provide ammunition to the people that want to keep mountain bikers out of the wilderness forever.
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    I want a trail with loop de loops. Big, bad-a** loop de loops. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-townDave
    I want a trail with loop de loops. Big, bad-a** loop de loops. . .
    How sweet would loop de loops be on Bobsled?! Thank for the great idea Pedalfaraway, I am on my way to Home Depot right now to drop a couple of grand on lumber to build the sickest, most ostentatious wood stunts evar! That trail will look like a freaking rollercoaster!

    But seriously, let's be reasonable, all of the stunts are an obvious B-line and don't break the flow at all if you don't want to hit them. I can see the advantage of signage denoting the A and B line, but knocking down jumps just because that isn't your cup of tea is a bit fascist.

    The argument that "the trail has been around for XX years, it shouldn't be changed" is weak. Mountain biking is a young, dynamic sport. Equipment changes, riding styles change and trails should change to meet those changes. The terrain of Bobsled is uniquely shaped to really foster freeride type stunts, there are several areas that are not. It just makes sense from a work standpoint as well as an ecological standpoint to optimize trail design for the terrain.

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    All of the Factors that make the bobsled great for freeride

    Also make it great for XC, All mountain, Hiking, Jogging, Those cool skateboards with knobbys and breaks, Boy scout pow-pows and a myraid of other things. Bobsled would make an awesome off leash dog park. Its close to town, easy to access, is clear of snow early, A trail working well for something is a weak arguement when those same factors make it work well for everything.

    I also think I bike Loop de Loop is an awsome idea. Lets build it in Daves backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CeeJay
    The terrain of Bobsled is uniquely shaped to really foster freeride type stunts, there are several areas that are not. It just makes sense from a work standpoint as well as an ecological standpoint to optimize trail design for the terrain.
    It's also uniquely owned by somebody that ISN'T any of us, and as long as that is the case it's quite foolish to get overly upset about this stuff. I really don't hear anyone looking for realistic ways to solve the problem, short of Pedalfaraway's logical (but unpopular) suggestion to stop building. If you don't build it, they won't come.

    I love bobsled, and jumps are fun. By all means, build away. Losing hard work sucks, but understand that folks have just as much right to tear jumps out as others have to build them (technically no right at all, in both cases).

    I don't mean to sound too harsh, but really, it's a popular trail in the middle of a city. It's not exactly low-profile and secret. Stuff is going to get noticed and there are going to be conflicts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway
    Stop F'n with the trail. Its been around a couple decades and became so popular for good reason. Quit Building things, Quit Tearing them out. If you want a new trail with jumps and loop de loops go build a new trail. The Condition of Bobsled compared to what it was 5-10 years ago is a prime example to the forest service of why monutain bikes should be dis-allowed in wilderness areas. There is absolutly no way you could look at that trail and argue that Cyclist are doing no more damage then hikers or horses. The debate is going on right now with regard to the cottonwoods and SLC's other canyons, and there are people who want to continue the ban on wheeled travel in wilderness areas. Fortunatly there are people who are arguing that Cyclists do not damage trails. Help them out and don't provide ammunition to the people that want to keep mountain bikers out of the wilderness forever.
    most of the features in there are built around already existing features. If there is already a ditch there why not build a jump over it (there is still a way to ride around it). If there is already a tipped over car up in the canopy, why not turn it into a drop? Nothing is mandatory to hit, so why do people care.

    Most of the damage to that "canyon" was caused by the cars that used to drive up it in the 40's and 50's anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH
    and there are going to be conflicts.

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    I just don't understand why FR features that are out of the way can cause conflicts. I don't hit most of the stuff that people build in there because I am fairly new to the FR scene. I have friends who hit almost everything in there. I have other friends that want nothing to do with the features. Even those who don't want to hit them don't mind that they are there. Every feature built on the trail is out of the way, you purposely have to hit them. If you don't have enough control on a bike to stay on the main trail then you probably shouldn't be riding a bike in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123ski
    I just don't understand why FR features that are out of the way can cause conflicts. I don't hit most of the stuff that people build in there because I am fairly new to the FR scene. I have friends who hit almost everything in there. I have other friends that want nothing to do with the features. Even those who don't want to hit them don't mind that they are there. Every feature built on the trail is out of the way, you purposely have to hit them. If you don't have enough control on a bike to stay on the main trail then you probably shouldn't be riding a bike in the first place.
    I agree. But you are using logic. I really don't think logical thinking has much to do with what's going on in Bobsled.

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    oh, by the way, for anyone who thinks it is muddy at top. it was in better condition than I have ever seen it on Wed/Thurs.


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    Bobsled in great shape today. No mud to speak of. Both car gaps and the one in-between are good to go. Needed a full pedal stroke after the first gap to hit the second on the sweet spot. The second car gap has a fairly narrow landing so make sure you don't whip it way out. Best I've seen Bobsled in a while.

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    i am new to this forum but i have worked to get some crags legalized in CO and i am new to SLC and really would like to get riding. but i was wondering if anyone knows who actually owns the land and why he or she keeps destroying jumps

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggardner90
    i am new to this forum but i have worked to get some crags legalized in CO and i am new to SLC and really would like to get riding. but i was wondering if anyone knows who actually owns the land and why he or she keeps destroying jumps
    There is a thread about the ownership issue from last year, but if I remember right, the whole problem is that the trail is kind of in a no-man's land of ownership. It's like Salt Lake City owns some of the land, Salt Lake County owns some of the land and there are a few other entities involved. WAFTA has tried to take a proactive approach to trail stewardship, but because no one entity can sign off on that it hasn't happened.

    I might be wrong on those specifics, but that is how I remember it. It seems like the trail really is the wild west were anarchy rules.

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    Boblsed

    Hit the bobsled at noon today, both car gaps and the new double in between have been hacked...

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    I agree with most of what's been posted here already.

    But consider/remember this:
    I think it was towards the end of 2008 that someone built the triple jump (that's now gone fortunately) on the blind corner right before the car gap. Personally, I came into that thing going mach and almost ended up on my arse not knowing it was there. Then as my group gathered their wits we stood there and watched group after group of 'Average Joe' riders pile up in a mess on that stunt. It wasn't built off to the side but all three lips spanned the width of that section. Probably pissed more than a few people off.

    And I'm guilty of this but have since stopped: You now have people pushing their bikes back up sections of that trail to hit certain features-repeatedly. It's a little unnerving coming around a blind corner with some dumb kid or group of kids sitting in the middle of the trail waiting to session something or pushing their bikes up back up the trail. In some places it's fairly narrow and during certain times of the day it's like riding through a strobe light in parts with your vision impaired by the sun.

    You also now have more people riding bigger bikes faster down that trail. I would assume that it isn't helping the stunts cause either.

    Something to think about...
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    Confirmed. Jumps are chopped - The first one seems OK and I didn't slow down enough to see if it was chopped, but it jumped fine. The rest, however, are obviously chopped and would probably hurt you to jump.

    Generally agree with SLC (imagine that) in that, if you do push back up, pay the f*** attention and get way out of the way if you hear someone coming. I never really saw the triple you're talking about as I didn't ride it much last year, but can imagine. All the stunts should be baby-butt gentle, or have go-arounds that don't interrupt flow. I really thought this Spring's version of Bobsled was just right, but apparently someone disagrees. . .

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    ^did I see you on the trail today?

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    was fun...but very windy...today

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123ski
    ^did I see you on the trail today?
    Maybe. . . it was a lunchtime ride. SUPER windy. . .

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    I know Bobsled is about all that's ridable right now, is a lunchtime and after work ride but there are other jump run DH trails out there that are good for building on, and no one else hikes on them. Well, ok maybe there is only one trail like that.

    It is Bruce. At the "B" . 20 min drive for most of us. There is snow at the top of "Lower Bruce" but in the middle some guys have been rebuilding the jumps and berms. It is killer. Gully run with hip jumps, small doubles, decent size dubs too. Shuttleable, i rode up the other day, it's 3.8 miles up.

    There are the people shooting guns up there, and an Archer guy and his son were target shooting right across the trail but they stopped shooting for us so we could ride by, how nice of them. I haven't seen one lady hiking up the trail with her Schnauzers yet! That's probably because it's not on private property in someone's back yard.

    I know, the trail's not for everyone but it's there, it's longer and far more challenging than Bobsled and no one will ever mess with it.

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    ^^^ good point!

    I also wonder if the jumps built on bobsled were same size etc, but rollable or maybe more pump track style if they would get destroyed? Im thinking single track BMX jumps, It would obviously take more work cause generally the dirt comes from the middle but it would also make them a lot harder to destroy.

    Just a thought.

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    Bruce. . . just thinking about that today. Good to hear it's open. I'd better hurry up and get a new DH frame ;-)

    Still though, I think to ride up Dry Creek, down Bobsled (hitting the jumps), over to I-street (hitting some jumps) and up City Creek, back to Dry Creek is something that should be aspired to by anybody who thinks of themselves as a mountainbiker. That's all-mountain. And to chop it because it breaks the monotony of the "trail that's been there forever" is equivalent to saying we should all be rocking 1990's steel Stumpjumpers, helmets that don't work and lycra that would make your wife blush. And that would make all these guys have to give up their 29ers * which would just be a pity. . .**


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    I am in the process of converting my 1990 steel stumpjumper into a 29er so I can ride it with my neon spandex. What's wrong with that?

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    Whats it called

    When someone thinks that everybody should do somthing the way they like to and does not care how it effects anyone else?

    Yeah the Bobsled was so Monotonous before someone decided it would look better as a one giant scar. Thats why it became one of the most ridden trails in SLC and probably all of utah. People kept coming back for the monotony. They wanted to be bored over and over again.
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    i like pie
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    Which Vandals?

    The Vandals destroying that trail are almost certainly Mountain Bikers. Who else would be digging a giant hole in the middle of the trail to pile dirt up on each side and jump over the hole that they created. Face it Its not Cars from the 40's, dogs, hikers or anyone else. That trail has been damaged again and again by Mountain Bikers nobody else. It now serves as a warning to land owners and the National Forest service of what will happen to the land they protect if they open it to Mountain Bikes. Thanks Jackasses
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    you have issues

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    Who's vandalizing what?
    1. We have no right to build jumps or stunts on someone else's property. That's vandalism.
    2. If a property owner decides to tear down a jump or stunt that they did not authorize on their property, then thatís not vandalism.

    We have a few problems with Bobsled.
    1. No one has the right to build whatever they want on Bobsled.
    2. There seem to be a number of other trail users who donít want jumps and stunts on Bobsled, including some mountain bikers.
    3. Some of the stuff being built is considered an eyesore to other trails users.
    4. If it gets out of hand the trail could be closed to everyone.
    5. The I-Street jumps are just a few blocks away where you can build most anything you want.
    6. If you are going to build something it has to work into the terrain without damaging the original flow and safety of the trail.
    7. If you dig a large double right off the side of the trail you are going to get the whole thing shut down.

    Figure it out guys. You have to be stealthy about what you change. Things like the car jumps will go unnoticed because they blend in with the trail. When you dig a big pit between the two of them other users start to notice and destroy everything in the area.
    From my perspective as a bike shop owner that sells FR/DH bikes I want to see more areas that they can be used. However I also donít want to see a classic trail become one jump or stunt after another, or even worse get shut down all together.
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    You have some very good points. But it is not the property owner who is tearing the stuff up.
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    Thanks for injecting some logic into this discussion Scott. There has to be a good balance on the sled for it to survive. Good example, the step-up-down woodwork that got destroyed last year. Just the kind of eyesore and dangerous stunt that is going to create major conflicts. I'm glad it's gone. No woodwork should ever be built in bobsled.

    Agreed on that double between the car jumps as well, I've never liked that thing anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyhands
    You have some very good points. But it is not the property owner (slc) who is tearing the stuff up.
    The city doesn't own Bobsled. It is majority private land. It is not an official trail and it is not recognized by the city nor by the Bonneville Shoreline Committee. We ride at the whim of private land owners.

    All the speculation as to who has the right to do what on this forum cracks me up. You don't have to speculate if you go to the meetings and participate in the promotion of MTB in Utah. Those of you whom I see at the BST and WAFTA trail days have credibility. The rest of you have unfounded rumor, sturm und drang. Have fun with that.

    Scott, your post is spot on, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    or even worse get shut down all together.
    Scott for the Win.

    And a good, ominous point at the end here... Bobsled has been there a long time, but it seems only recently has there been a buildup of pressure. In the long run if the trail gets closed we can blame two groups equally: the property owners and the illegal builders.

    Just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuky
    It is not an official trail and it is not recognized by the city nor by the Bonneville Shoreline Committee.
    That's just not true.

    have a look-
    BST Bobsled

    I appreciate what you guys are trying to do, but the scare mongering is a bit much.

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    Read Carefully

    That says it is an intersecting trail. It does not say that the Bobsled is offically a part of the BST. This has been discussed before and the outcome has always been that no organization offically manages the Bobsled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyhands
    That's just not true.

    It is true, your internet research is incomplete. Bobsled is posted as an intersecting trail on their list. You will note that they also list City Creek Canyon (which is a paved road), Red Butte Canyon and the non-existant Parley's Creek Corridor Trail. None of these are a part of the Bonneville Shoreline trail and the BSTC doesn't work on these land areas. The description is a courtesy to BST users, not an endorsement of the facilities.

    Bobsled is majority private land.

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    I've ridden the 'Sled for 13+ years. Currently it is, IMHO, hacked far in excess of any state it's existed in since it first stamped a smile on my face all those years ago. "Stealth improvements" to a trail stop being so stealthy when you dig the living crap out of the surrounding terrain for feature access and run-outs. Work like that hardly conveys a sense that MTB'ers have one iota of respect for either private property or the environment.

    At a time when responsible groups and entities (WAFTA, Go-Ride, etc) are trying to promote the growth of "our" little niche of the MTB spectrum in the valley, unchecked digging on public lands or (worse) private property hurts everyone. A few well-integrated tweaks to Bobsled over the years to make it more..."interesting" was one thing. The recent explosion in large-scale mods to the trail has increased its radar cross section to a level which, I believe, is eventually going to bode ill for its continued existence.

    Even though I actually liked some of the newer additions ( especially the now extinct wooden step-up ), these days you really can't take a "blind run" and realistically expect to hit something that might have been just fine a day or two ago. This increases the possibility of high-speed trail conflict, as people push back up to hit stuff after scoping it to see if it has been (yet again) torn down.

    The constant destruction and re-building of jump lips, LZ's, etc hardly promotes the refinement needed to fine-tune a flow (even if the trail was legal to tune in the first place). Not to mention the fact the every tear-down/build-up iteration further degrades the condition of tread and it's surrounding environment, seems to piss more and more people off, and simply reinforces the negative feedback loop.

    Scott and (perhaps to a slightly more extremist degree) PedalFarAway are spot-on right about Bobsled. What's been done to it more recently is not in the best interest of the trail, trail users, the environment, or the mountain biking community as a whole.

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    wait, some people say its in the best condition its ever been in i.e. "perfect" (see OP) "better condition than i have ever seen" and others say it is 'hacked' beyond all repair, in the same thread. does not compute. two lips have been dug and a stunt that was going to fall apart anyway return to its natural state, is hardly the large scale destruction you describe.

    this is why i hate the internet.

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    I agree with everything that you said

    I apologize if what I am saying sounds extreme. I am very frustrated by what has happened to the bobsled in the past 3 years, with this spring being particularlly troubling. It is beyond me why some people cannot see that modifying a long existing trail to better suit your riding style is selfish and wrong.
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    At least we haven't seen any booby traps yet. I used to find barbwire purposely laid down on trail in VT when I lived there.

    Everyone has a different idea of what Bobsled "should be." It's a quick FUN DH fix very close to large population base + it's an exit from the busiest trail in SLC. I would hate to see it closed, that just sucks for everyone and I also agree some of the "fine tuning" has gotten a little aggro (double between cars is very visible and in the trail). I have only lived here for 2 years and think that describing it as a scar is a bit much. It's a drainage, there's always going to to be a threat for water in Spring. The rut last spring would have been there whether people rode it or not. I took 2 months off from bobsled b/c of it's condition. Many did not and just don't realize the damage done when they ride it in that shape.

    I just wish we could find a happy medium. Seems to ignite conflict every year, between bikers, hikers, land owners etc. From what I understand, it tracks across City, County and private land towards the bottom, so that's where the real problem stems from in terms of management. My post above may have been a bit strong but I think there are better ways of dealing with the situation. All in all, I believe the bobsled should be deemed a directional trail to avoid hiker/biker conflicts and be managed by a group like WAFTA, who can design and maintain the trail with input from all parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmeyer
    All in all, I believe the bobsled should be deemed a directional trail to avoid hiker/biker conflicts and be managed by a group like WAFTA, who can design and maintain the trail with input from all parties.
    Agreed, and we are definitely working on it but it's a delicate situation, especially considering the builders seem to be working equally hard at screwing it all up. It doesn't happen overnight and with private property in the mix it quite possibly won't happen at all. If that is the case, then a very low profile is the only way that works. Smart builders (can we call them smart if they insist on wasting their time digging on illegal trails?) make mods until they start getting negative attention, then they back off. Putting tons of hours into building illegal jumps might be considered a public service by a few riders out there, but to the people that make the decisions it's just illegal.

    It's pretty obvious that the situation is escalating. How long do you think it's going to be before it gets serious? Trust me, a pissing match in Bobsled cannot be won by us.

    Monkeyhands: People can enjoy the modifications on Bobsled and still recognize that they are illegitimate and most likely transient. It's not hypocritcal or confusing, it's realistic. Welcome to realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyhands
    wait, some people say its in the best condition its ever been in i.e. "perfect" (see OP) "better condition than i have ever seen" and others say it is 'hacked' beyond all repair, in the same thread. does not compute. two lips have been dug and a stunt that was going to fall apart anyway return to its natural state, is hardly the large scale destruction you describe.

    this is why i hate the internet.
    ...And it probably finds you equally attractive.

    It also "computes" just fine.

    The tread solidity and overall condition of the longstanding "original" line(s) and a few of the more established alternates is (...was, before the storm) in great shape, especially compared to the runoff damaged state of last season.

    The areas where there seems to be constant conflict -- larger doubles, car gap, base of the car drop -- are not in such great shape. The constant movement of dirt from building and re-building makes solidification of those lines difficult, if not impossible.

    I feel your frustration, Pedal. Bobsled, unfortunately, has become a manifestation of the "more (and bigger...and more obtrusive) is better" mentality. I'm as big an advocate as you'll find of progressive trail evolution (and construction) to meet the needs of an evolving sport. However, Bobsled is NOT the right venue. Sure, it's a drainage and not exactly wilderness material, but that does not make it OK ignore property ownership, "history", and potentially safety in order to selfishly satisfy personal needs, perceived or otherwise.

    As Krispy pointed out, there's plenty of stuff to hit a few pedal strokes away at I St. Or on Bruce. Or at Tanner.

    Around here an "all or nothing" mentality almost always lands one's arse on the "nothing" side of the fence. If people continue to try and push Bobsled into the mold single-purpose gravity playground, executed with all the subtlety of a brick to the head, then it will hardly be a surprise when whatever entity can claim stewardship over the trail sanctions its permanent "cleanup".

    Monkey, if you want to be an advocate, and also want to have the opportunity to contribute to the DH/FR culture in the valley, join WAFTA. Sometimes the pace at which governmental and other land stewards move might be frustrating, but going through proper channels -- with the backing of a recognized trail advocacy and building group like WAFTA -- to get the trails WE want built actually built, is in the long term the best solution to our needs.

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    Perhaps WAFTA would gain more "credibility" if they built something actually worth riding.

    Sorry truth hurts.

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    What a difference a year makes.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=501781

    We all seemed so happy then. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyhands
    Perhaps WAFTA would gain more "credibility" if they built something actually worth riding.

    Sorry truth hurts.

    Yeah, Draper is the worst Paved + quick shuttle, LEGAL, berms, jumps, speed.

    Go back to your rock TROLL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyhands
    Perhaps WAFTA would gain more "credibility" if they built something actually worth riding.

    Sorry truth hurts.
    A lot of people have put a lot of time and energy in to trying to expand the riding opportunities in the valley. Best you mind your ignorant tongue before you publicly dismiss their efforts. We are all SO very sorry that things here don't measure up to your monumental riding skills and trail building/management knowledge.

    Please, oh please, enlighten us all as to what really needs to be done, so we all may gaze in slack-jawed wonder at your foresight, insight, and boundless wisdom.

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    Where is this Bruce trail?

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    Ya can someone post up directions to the Bruce trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-townDave
    Bruce. . . just thinking about that today. Good to hear it's open. I'd better hurry up and get a new DH frame ;-)
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    **Possibly written in a moment of sleep-deprivation and/or intoxication.

    New DH frame? I rode Bruce's on my Mojo and Tracer VP all last year. You don't need a DH bike for that trail.
    What you do need are friends who take care of loading/unloading their bikes out of your truck and helping out with gas $$$ when shutteling it all day long. My tail gate and bumper now looks like I tied a rope to it and dragged it around town for a day.

    Now that I've gotten that out of the way. IMO Bruce's is a much better trail with very decent flow and challenging sections thrown in to boot. Plus it's built in the armpit of Utah so no one is really going to care what's going up there. And there's already a rickety old wooden drop ready to collapse under the weight of your 45lb 'freeride' bike. So go get your McHuck on.

    If Bobsled is on private property then leave it as is. No need to piss the land owners off or put them in a position where they feel they may be open to litigation when little Timmy tries and fails his first car gap the day daddy buys his first mountain bike and ends up in the ER with a bolt sticking out of his head to try and save what's left of the feeling in his legs.

    * This message not written by slcrockymountainrider

    PS, P-Town, I will crush you on my Twenty McNiner.

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    Bruce-

    Go to "The B" in Bountiful. (It's the huge B on the mountain) There's a freeway exit that takes you right to the road that goes up to it, not sure which one. Sorry.

    Head up the dirt road about 3.8 miles. The dirt road is litterally right under the B. On the left is a pull out with a row of boulders. Go through the boulders. Get freeride. This trail crosses the road- DON'T GET HIT BY AN '82 BRONCO WHILE CROSSING THE ROAD! You can stop at the road or cross it and head down the trail which gets steep and nasty. There's a shale rock section that's a great place to break a helmet or at least scratch up your new carbon Nomad. Then it ends up in a wet creek. It's wicked naally. People usually avoid the wet creek section in the spring. The creek pops you out in the neighborhood right next to the B where you left the cooler.

    This is the entrance to Lower Bruce. When it dries out you can enter up higher to hit Upper Bruce, Add a Bruce and Smokin Apples. In order to hit the upper sections you cross the road a couple times and end up at Lower Bruce.

    Ride at your own risk fellas. This is not a legal trail either. The rangers look the other way/are far more busy with the Duke Boys unless you are making loud motorcycle sounds and are shooting a pistol while whipping it out over the hips.

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    has anyone ridden bruce trail recently i am looking to ride today or maybe monday and was wondering if it would be dry

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    doubtfully dry

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    I wouldn't go up to Bruce for a good 2 weeks, especially considering it rains/snows every few days.
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    Last season we avoided the last section of Bruce's altogether.

    One, because we suck and that section can spank you hard.
    Two, you can shuttle to the top of what I believe is 'Smokin Apples' quicker if you're not driving all the way down to the parking lot.
    Three, there was no need to upset those home owners below the 'B' any more than I'm certain they already are by adding more bike/truck traffic right through their yards (almost). That way you're also cutting down on the traffic right behind their homes. However, the lower section of the road is now paved which is going to help cut down on dust and noise.

    The upper section that starts right next to the guard rail seemed to stay wet for a while even after the lower sections were bone dry. Seems like there is a seep somewhere up there much like the top section of Bobsled that keeps water trickling for a while after it warms up.

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    Go to "The B" in Bountiful. (It's the huge B on the mountain) There's a freeway exit that takes you right to the road that goes up to it, not sure which one. Sorry.


    The exit is 4th North.

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    Bobsled dry yet????

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    Bobsled is perfect right now. A few muddy sections between top of dry creek and the sled
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    ^ just rode it.

    There are a few muddy sections at the top but there is no way to tell that before you drop in. The rest is in good shape!

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