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    Why should I (or shouldn't I) go from a Horst 5-Spot to a DW-Link 5-Spot?

    I have a first-generation (Horst Link) 5-Spot that is still in very good shape with relatively few miles that I’m considering powdercoating and upgrading (fork, wheels primarily) to bring a bit of “newness” to it. But I also have the itch to upgrade, potentially to the DW-Link 5-Spot. I’m sure that this has been discussed ad nauseam, but my hasty searching didn’t reveal any obvious real-world comparisons.

    Any recommendations or pointers to existing threads would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savechief
    I have a first-generation (Horst Link) 5-Spot that is still in very good shape with relatively few miles that I’m considering powdercoating and upgrading (fork, wheels primarily) to bring a bit of “newness” to it. But I also have the itch to upgrade, potentially to the DW-Link 5-Spot. I’m sure that this has been discussed ad nauseam, but my hasty searching didn’t reveal any obvious real-world comparisons.

    Any recommendations or pointers to existing threads would be appreciated.
    I suggest you put good effort into demoing one. You'll get the most out of that.
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    I suggest keeping your old spot and buy a DW one as your main ride.
    Your old HL spot can be a backup, or built as a light duty bike while your DW gets the All mountain treatment.

    Those old turners age very well- they are sweet to ride and very reliable. I seriously regretted selling my old RFX when I bought a new DW spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    I suggest you put good effort into demoing one. You'll get the most out of that.

    +1 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobym2
    Those old turners age very well- they are sweet to ride and very reliable. I seriously regretted selling my old RFX when I bought a new DW spot.
    +1 for not selling your old Turner.

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    For me, two main reasons to make the switch. First, when set up for equal plushness, the DW version pedals better. Second, again when set up equally, the DW version stays higher in its travel when climbing really steep stuff. Less wandering and/or need to slide way forwards on the nose of the saddle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobym2
    I suggest keeping your old spot and buy a DW one as your main ride.
    Your old HL spot can be a backup, or built as a light duty bike while your DW gets the All mountain treatment.

    Those old turners age very well- they are sweet to ride and very reliable. I seriously regretted selling my old RFX when I bought a new DW spot.

    I have a mint TNT RFX for sale if you feel like easing those regrets.

    Zilla said it all, demo and decide for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo
    when set up for equal plushness, the DW version pedals better.
    I found this to be true as well. That being said, I decided that wasn't a compelling enough reason for me to be out $2500 so I'm going to ride the heck out of my horst link till it dies. I thought it would magically transform me into Hans Rey or at least Steve Peat but no such luck, I still had little skill.

    Demo one though, everyone's reaction will be different.

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    I have an 05 5 spot the has all 2010 upgrades in mint condition, a 2009 Sultan and 2010 5 Spot. I put most of my miles on the 10 5 Spot. The 05 is more like a classic car that hangs on the wall. I do take it out once a month. I vote for keeping the Horst Link and build yourself a DW. Demo one first. You will love it.
    Quote Originally Posted by savechief
    I have a first-generation (Horst Link) 5-Spot that is still in very good shape with relatively few miles that I’m considering powdercoating and upgrading (fork, wheels primarily) to bring a bit of “newness” to it. But I also have the itch to upgrade, potentially to the DW-Link 5-Spot. I’m sure that this has been discussed ad nauseam, but my hasty searching didn’t reveal any obvious real-world comparisons.

    Any recommendations or pointers to existing threads would be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savechief
    I have a first-generation (Horst Link) 5-Spot that is still in very good shape with relatively few miles that I’m considering powdercoating and upgrading (fork, wheels primarily) to bring a bit of “newness” to it. But I also have the itch to upgrade, potentially to the DW-Link 5-Spot. I’m sure that this has been discussed ad nauseam, but my hasty searching didn’t reveal any obvious real-world comparisons.

    Any recommendations or pointers to existing threads would be appreciated.

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    I can't think of a reason

    Quote Originally Posted by savechief
    I have a first-generation (Horst Link) 5-Spot that is still in very good shape with relatively few miles that I’m considering powdercoating and upgrading (fork, wheels primarily) to bring a bit of “newness” to it. But I also have the itch to upgrade, potentially to the DW-Link 5-Spot. I’m sure that this has been discussed ad nauseam, but my hasty searching didn’t reveal any obvious real-world comparisons.

    Any recommendations or pointers to existing threads would be appreciated.
    Greg at Turner told me he would give me $700 for my old frame. This brings the Turner DW down to a respectable price. I have a 29er and a 26er and it is good...but no need to keep an old bike unless you want a winter bike...

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    Trading in

    My new DW 11 Spot should be here any day. With the exception of upgrading to a 36 stanchion Talas, and new drivetrain, I'm transferring everything over. This will be the 7th summer on the old bike after a lot of years of abuse. The need for a bigger fork is inspiring the move. It will be sad to see the old one go, nonetheless. Lots of memories. I'll still have the bits and pieces on the new frame though.
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    Funny I just went through the same thing. I have an '05 HL and an '09 DW. I just got the '05 back TODAY from Greg at Turner for rebuild and repaint. Incredible job they did, I have some video that I'm going to post soon.

    In answer to your question, it's funny, I just relayed my thoughts to Greg about the differences. Honestly, I haven't seen a huge difference in pedaling and climbing efficiency. The primary difference I have noticed is a stability and groundedness in the DW. My guess is that I don't ride aggressively or fast enough to make the differences more apparent. I think Greg agreed with me. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo
    Greg at Turner told me he would give me $700 for my old
    $700? Isn't the trade in $600 typically?

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    Greg told me $700

    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    $700? Isn't the trade in $600 typically?
    Not sure. It does say $600 on the Turner site though.

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    I am in the same boat as Savechief. I have an 05 Spot that I have ridden the heck out of and am considering a new frame. One reason is I want fork with more travel and possibly a 36. Any other input on difference between an 05 and a 11? Is the ride as plush and does it climb as well?

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    Rough call

    Quote Originally Posted by RaggedEdge
    I am in the same boat as Savechief. I have an 05 Spot that I have ridden the heck out of and am considering a new frame. One reason is I want fork with more travel and possibly a 36. Any other input on difference between an 05 and a 11? Is the ride as plush and does it climb as well?
    The DW Spot I rode rode higher in its travel and seemed more sure footed. The DW bikes are fugly though.....

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    The DW spot climbs much, much better than the HL spot, in my experience. A couple of days ago I tried a really technical climb for the first time with a DW spot, and I cleared it in the first attempt. I never cleared it with my old HL spot nor my old TNT RFX, not even close.

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    I have a HL spot and have pondered the same question. Then I go out and ride and think 'What the hell was i thinking?"
    save the $$ for a different kind of bike or a trip.
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    climbs better. slacked geo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arne_and
    The DW spot climbs much, much better than the HL spot, in my experience. A couple of days ago I tried a really technical climb for the first time with a DW spot, and I cleared it in the first attempt. I never cleared it with my old HL spot nor my old TNT RFX, not even close.
    I'm not saying dw-link is bad, but how did the other rider cleared that section? Not everyone rides a dw you know.

    How did we climed those techy climbs pre dw bikes?

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    The real complaint I have about my old 5 spot is the pedal bob wallow on short out of the saddle climes that are necessary at times. If you just sit and spin I would not upgrade. I think that the DW link bike addresses the problem.

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    I was forced to replace my HL Spot when it was stolen 6 months ago...

    The HL 5 Spot was a, sort of, Frankenbike. It started out as an '02 XCE. In '05 the broken chainstay was replaced and in '08 the broken front triangle was replaced with an '08 front tri - converting it to a 5 Spot. Because of the rear brake mount and the '08 front tri with room for some Push Rockers without rear wheel interference, made this frame real different. Too bad it never got the rockers...

    The '11 Spot is just breaking in. I think I have the fork tuned the way I want it, finally. I took advantage of the 44mm headtube by installing a fork with a tapered steerer.

    Differences:
    - The rear suspensions react very differently - I can't say one is plusher than the other. The HL seems to be more active in that you feel it working, moving and changing. For example, when you hit a small bump such as a root, the HL will absorb the bump, exit in a higher position and then squat back into its sag. The DW just absorbs it without unsettling you.
    - The DW is quieter. With the chainstay above the chain, there is less slap.
    - The DW lets you get out of the saddle more - meaning the rear suspension, being less active, lets you hammer very similar to a hardtail.
    - The HL would squat and dig in during steep climb giving you the feeling of added traction. The DW doesn't squat but you still have traction, hmmm...

    Bottom line, I believe the DW peddles a little better - less active suspension movement due to peddling, but the suspension still does its job of keeping your rear tire firmly planted while reducing shock to your body.

    Yer gonna have to Demo a DW and decide for yourself if its worth the $$$. Or refresh your HL with Turner's frame overhaul program - make your HL new again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edispilf
    I'm not saying dw-link is bad, but how did the other rider cleared that section? Not everyone rides a dw you know.

    How did we climed those techy climbs pre dw bikes?
    The point here is that with the same rider and three different bikes the DW performed much better. Whether someone else clears it on another bike is not really useful information, there is always someone that is better.

    (I know of only one other rider who has cleared it, and I have seen many walk that section, Granted, he did it on a HL Turner, so he is a better climber than me).

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    The last 2 pics say it all. HL. SWEET AND EASY ON THE EYES
    DW. FUGLY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artin Aga View Post
    The last 2 pics say it all. HL. SWEET AND EASY ON THE EYES
    DW. FUGLY(but that's an entirely subjective opinion)
    Fixed it for you.... I guess the way it looks to you makes ALL the difference in how it performs, right? Have you ridden a DW Spot, Artin Aga, or even a HL Spot for that matter?
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    And really, people who live in glass houses...I'm sure that 303 of yours slays the downhills, but beautiful it ain't.
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    Good job! DW link is good in turner 5 spot

    Basically DW link adds rear end stiffness and helps for custom built with 5.5 inch travel. DW link in turner 5 spot works great for downhill performance also and it is better than other DW links found in Ibis Mojo and Pivot Cycles Mach 5. for more info visit the link below and search turner 5 spot and read Turner 5 Spot Mountain Bike Frame Review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck View Post
    Fixed it for you.... I guess the way it looks to you makes ALL the difference in how it performs, right? Have you ridden a DW Spot, Artin Aga, or even a HL Spot for that matter?
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    And really, people who live in glass houses...I'm sure that 303 of yours slays the downhills, but beautiful it ain't.
    fixed nothing it is still ugly

    Ahh yes I have ridden a DW spot quite a lot Actually my brother has one and have ridden a DW MOJO The DW is different and yes it is ever so slightly smoother on high speed bumps However on larger hits the HL is just as good. However climbs out of the saddle The DW is a slouch and peddling out of the hole nothing compares to the HL
    ( now this is based on my bike compared to my brothers. I have spend a lot of time in tuning my bike and it is very light and very progressive tune on the rear shock.
    I like a bike that responds when I hammer on the pedal. and I found both DW bikes respond very much like VP buttery smooth on small bumps and fist size rock gardens but
    very sluggish on the get up and go and mushy on fast berms and turns

    and as for a Horst link spot well here is my current ride
    A 05 Horst link with a pushed fox rp3 Hand Polished and clear coated
    my built goes like this
    Fox 32 RLC 150
    XO rear derailer and shifter
    Hope Tech X2 breaks
    King Hubs on Alpine rims
    XTR crank
    so on on on
    25lb 6 oz
    and it is one hell of a sweet ride I have been riding this for 3 years now
    and I currently do not own any Yeti my only other bike is a Knolly DT another Horst link

    you guys kill me this is the same group of homers that 6 years ago worshiped the Horst link I have owned a lot of bikes and they were all nice one of my favourites was a single pivot Foes FXR and also loved the yeti 575 but as for a complete package in ride quality balance stiff rear end ease of maintenance and GOOD LOOKS you cant beat a HL spot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    Greg at Turner told me he would give me $700 for my old frame. This brings the Turner DW down to a respectable price. I have a 29er and a 26er and it is good...but no need to keep an old bike unless you want a winter bike...
    Shucks. I wonder if that applies to the new reduced price. That'd be killer!

    How'd you get $700?
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    I too was hesistant to jump on the DW wagon. Now I'm a believer. The DW Spot just climbs and downhills better than the horst, TNT, VPP. I've owned and ridden them all. DW hands down. Good thing there's no DW RFX or my wallet would be bare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artin Aga View Post
    The last 2 pics say it all. HL. SWEET AND EASY ON THE EYES
    DW. FUGLY
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    get the new DW link 5 spot, because one day you "may" snap the rear chain stay on your 05 HL 5 spot. As a precautionary measure against snapping your beloved 05, you can send me the 05 HL seat stay to replace the one I just snapped. I will take gooooooood care of it. for free. you can thank me later.
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