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    RFX 29er

    Interested to see what the opinions are on a more gravity oriented RFXesque 29er?

    Was in the middle of a climb this past week and it popped up in my head that an alloy version would be really good.

    Would you buy an 'aggressive geo' alloy RFX 29er?

    seems like this would be a good bike in the line up.


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    I think people would love it and prob prefer it over a new Sultan. I just donít see Turner doing super short chainstays. I also doubt he would do a 77 deg SA. Maybe he would. I think there would be a huge demand for whatever 29íer he would release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB View Post
    Interested to see what the opinions are on a more gravity oriented RFXesque 29er?

    Was in the middle of a climb this past week and it popped up in my head that an alloy version would be really good.

    Would you buy an 'aggressive geo' alloy RFX 29er?

    seems like this would be a good bike in the line up.
    Don't hold your breath!i got an Orbea Rallon instead

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    funny you mentioned the rallon, same here, have a nice crispy one in the garage, ready for a thrashing.

    for SA, i think DT would go steep. He builds bikes that do everything really well. The bikes need to climb and be able to go all day so this would be necessary imo.(which doesnt mean squat- just musings here)

    I was thinking of a big big brother to the flux. that is a beautiful very clean looking bike.

    aluminum, to save cost and add value, and modern aggressive geometry.

    doesnt seem like it would be that hard, but a man can dream


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    I wish DT would do modern aggressive geometry. I wouldnít bet on it though. Itís been solidly conservative for a while. Itís not hard, it just wonít happen. Please prove me wrong!

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    IMO the existing RFX is an amazing bike, as is. If DT can retain the ride quality with 29 inch wheels it might even be better(?). Not a fan of "modern" geo.

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    I'm keeping my RFX but just picked up an Evil Offering. Guess I will find out if I like 'modern geometry'.

    Maybe I'm just getting old but I really don't find the RFX that 'playful'. An over-used term indeed but I find the RFX difficult to wheelie and manual. It's not a plough bike by any means but where it shines is stability in chunk at warp speed. A stellar enduro bike for sure. It pedals really well but does take some work to accelerate out of corners. That's where I lose time at race pace.

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    'Rockman' - keep us posted/cross link with your impressions of the Offering - thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    'Rockman' - keep us posted/cross link with your impressions of the Offering - thanks!
    Will do but it will be awhile. Waiting on the frame and need to build some wheels.

    The 'modern geometry' conundrum was readily apparent in simply deciding which size to get. I went with a medium at 5'11.5" which is radical after riding large frames since forever. There's 1" more reach over a L RFX and the ETT is 0.32" (8 mm) shorter. Figure I can account for the difference using the same stem length and a slightly wider bar (because of the reach). I really don't want a long wheelbase 29r. The M Offering is only 0.4" (10mm) longer. An interesting experiment.

    Also interested in seeing if the steeper SA helps me get over square-edged hits and rocks on steep climbs while seated. The RFX hangs up a bit but I'm also running a 170mm fork.

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    I held out on buying my RFX for a little while in hopes that they would release an an aggressive, long-travel 29er. Finally just settled on the RFX, which I've been pretty stoked on. Love it. Fun bike. So I'm out of the new bike market for at least a few years, but I would love to see a 29er version of it.

    As for "modern" geo... I find it kind of funny to hear people calling bikes that might have come out a year or two ago "dated" or "conservative," when they were just raving about them last year. What are two year-old bikes somehow suddenly incapable of making it down a trail? But I get it -- there has to be some progression, or we'd all be riding on whatever we had in 1995.

    That said, the new obsession with seat tube angle baffles me. I can't say I've ever given two poops about seat tube angle. The supposedly dated conservative seat tube angle on the RFX hasn't affected me even a little bit. In fact, it climbs much better than the bike I replaced.

    As for long and slack, that's great up to a point, but you can only go so long and so slack before you're stretched over the top tube superman style and unable to turn the bike at any speed short of Mach 2. It's just like razor blades -- companies can keep adding them, but there's a point of diminishing returns. I think a few bikes have started to reach that now.

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    I have found that the Schick Quattro with 4 blades lasts a long time and cuts with little collateral damage. Certainly outdated compared to the 5 blade system but does the job just fine. But whats really interesting is the resurgence of single blade shaving, to read about it one would think that it's all we ever needed and disposable 2-6 cartridges are just a bunch of over priced and over marketed hype. What's next, mountain bikes without suspension? What happens when the dog catches it's tail?! Will bell bottoms really come back, again?

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    I do prefer the 3-blade system with the non-pivoting head, but go with 5 blades because that's what they stock on the store shelves. But there's always this tight spot under my nose the 5 blades are to fat to get.

    As for mountain bikes without suspension, that's just crazy talk right there.

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    I do > 1000 miles a year on my rigid 29er and generally put similar distances on my Burner


    Looks like my Burner just hit 6 years old today from when I started the Burner build thread.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB View Post
    Interested to see what the opinions are on a more gravity oriented RFXesque 29er?

    Was in the middle of a climb this past week and it popped up in my head that an alloy version would be really good.

    Would you buy an 'aggressive geo' alloy RFX 29er?

    seems like this would be a good bike in the line up.
    From my last 29er enduro experience, I would say "hell no".

    IME, 29ers work good in the short to mid-travel range, when you go beyond that, it starts to magnify the disadvantages significantly, to the extent where a smaller wheel does better for me overall.

    Some of the issues I had were:

    -Wheel flex when pushing the bike hard (solved with carbon rims).

    -Harder to pedal bike up to speed for an obstacle (double, tabletop, gap, etc.), this really starts to show when you are a bit more tired.

    -Slower in mid-radius turns at high speed. Had to slow down or the gyroscopic force would simply cause me to skid towards the outside of the turn, in either case it would slow me and I'd have to pedal harder to get back up to speed.

    -Harder to pop off of objects/obstacles. Wheel and tire weight contribute a lot here and are going to always be heavier.

    -Bike tends to jump flatter and longer, which can cause overshoots.

    Some of the advantages were:

    -Wheel-catchers were non-existent/ability to roll down steep chutes.

    -Ability to maintain speed during large-radius turns.

    Things that were not issues:

    -Making tight turns: Modern 29er geometry makes this a thing of the past, goofy 18.5"+ chainstay bikes are gone for the most part. Maneuverability doesn't seem to be an issue at all, except for what I posted above.

    Some other notes: 180-170mm SC 29er forks have a massive axle to crown and not a lot of overlap relative to the overall length of the fork. Even if they did, it won't lessen the higher bending forces on the crowns, this is not a good recipe. 1.5 steeres came about due to longer travel SC forks and going this far on a 29er probably needs a 2" steerer or a dual crown design to be correct for the intended usage. I've always gone between 2.3 and 2.5" for DH tires, for real abusive resort and rock riding, I like a meaty 2.5, but man those 29er tires are just boat anchors. Lots of traction, but once I made the mistake of taking them on an XC ride that had a few miles of pavement thrown in for good measure. 29er wheels will always be more flexy than smaller ones, not an issue IME with carbon as I said above, but still, some may experience this. It also gets harder to have useful gearing to go uphill, the extra rotating mass is also harder to pedal due to the worse mechanical advantage. More rotating mass OR a longer distance requires more brake to slow down, this has caused some brake manufacturers to go to and consider 220mm rotors. Just one thing that you need more of with bigger/heavier wheels.

    Bottom line is that riding Enduro and park DH is very abusive on bikes and needs components and rubber beefy enough to handle it. When you go to 29er tires and real rubber/components, it doesn't make for the quickest bike out there IME. I got 2nd on the 27.5 RFX on the first enduro race on it, the bike killed it and on those medium-radius turns I noticed a big difference in the speed. It's not that you can't ride a 29er DH/Enduro bike, you can and they are a lot of fun. You can jump them. In my experience though, they are more work for less gain. Certain conditions may favor them, but I find that to be a pretty narrow range of conditions and I'd go for a 27.5 for this kind of riding every day and Sunday.

    If I could only have one bike, I'd probably have a mid-travel 29er, 120-140mm, that would rip and I would have tons of fun on it. I think at that travel-amount you can keep the overall weight reasonable enough to avoid many/most of the issues. Since I can have more than one, I choose the RFX for most stuff and a lower-travel 29er when I need to go much more "XC" style.

    I am glad there are "real" enduro/AM 29er options these days, like the Wreckoning, Ripmo, etc. I wouldn't revisit that catagory any time soon, if ever though. They end up just being massive overkill much of the time IMO. What they possibly gain for roll-over is more than offset by the weight/gyroscopic stability/rolling resistance, etc., IMO.
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    Whatís the best 29er rfx replacement (other than the future sultan)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    Whatís the best 29er rfx replacement (other than the future sultan)?
    Not sure it's the absolute 1:1 to your theoretical ride, but I was hoping for something like you describe from Turner and ended up with a GG Smash. A tad less enduro and more trail than RFX. I'll be interested to see a TSB 29er; every bike they produce is so good.

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    Maybe the new jeffsy vs ripmo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    I have found that the Schick Quattro with 4 blades lasts a long time and cuts with little collateral damage. Certainly outdated compared to the 5 blade system but does the job just fine. But whats really interesting is the resurgence of single blade shaving, to read about it one would think that it's all we ever needed and disposable 2-6 cartridges are just a bunch of over priced and over marketed hype. What's next, mountain bikes without suspension? What happens when the dog catches it's tail?! Will bell bottoms really come back, again?
    Very true folks... the man knows what he is talking about, he has alot of experience. He shaves his head. How many of you shave your head??
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Works View Post
    Very true folks... the man knows what he is talking about, he has alot of experience. He shaves his head. How many of you shave your head??
    Only after I get tired of my Mohawk.

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    who is tsb? these guys? MTB - Titan Super Bond Co., Ltd.

    Maybe they can send us some of those bars, stems and headset spacers? group buy?


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    New Jeffsy looks sweet, Knolly Fugitive is another option if you've got a thing for high quality alloy frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    Whatís the best 29er rfx replacement (other than the future sultan)?
    Evil Wreckoning.
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    Rockman, I'm a little bummed that you are not going new school geometry, by downsizing you will not experience the latest geometry revolution, at 6' tall you are a large in any era.
    I see that Evil has the suggested range for a medium up to 6', I guess that is not to alienate old timers, smart.

    TSB is Turner Suspension Bikes, WTF?! Titan Super Bond? I looked at their site and didn't even see a bonded anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Rockman, I'm a little bummed that you are not going new school geometry, by downsizing you will not experience the latest geometry revolution, at 6' tall you are a large in any era.
    I see that Evil has the suggested range for a medium up to 6', I guess that is not to alienate old timers, smart.
    Ya, I don't know. The large felt huge. Truth be told, nothing against the RFX I just want a more aggressive 29r than my Ibis Ripley. 120mm isn't doing it for me and I never particularly cared for the Ibis iteration of the DW-link.

    I must say, riding Sedona all winter the RFX really shines. It eats up steep, techy offcamber slickrock moves for breakfast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    Maybe the new jeffsy vs ripmo?
    freebiker, hang tough. I'm sure TBS will deliver soon.

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    im still loving my czar and waiting for something 29er in 130mm-140mm. Rented a pivot 429 trail and it felt incredibly slow.

    Would love a new sultan.

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    Iíd buy a newer geo RFX 29er in a heartbeat. Iíve had a 5Spot and a Highline in the past and would love to get back on another Turner. Iíve been on a Banshee Prime at Whistler and it rips with a 160mm fork. Things Iíd love to see from Turner would be Alum frame, 150-160 front, 150 rear. 65deg HA. Just my two cents


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    I love my turner rfx, it would go very well w a shiny sultan
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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    well said professor

    "We have seen some of the big companies go from moderately misguided and largely crap advancements in the early days, to creating smoke where there was no fire. Most of the big companies are now creating micro changes, some proprietary, some as new "standards." all for nominal performance gains, but with maximal marketing opportunities. The managers now realize that in order to create big marketing opportunities, you have to have something to feed the public from one year to the next. "


    and by the way, there is no such thing nor can there be an "RFX 29er"

    doesnt matter how short chainstays etc ever become with a 29er, the wheels are still 29er. not good not bad but simply cannot be the same as the 27.5 version.

    buy a new edition of MB Action to help you or decide what makes most sense for you.

    only thing i will personally stand behind is that for SSing, a 29er is the way to go, period.

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    Fo - "RFX 29er" is shorthand for a Turner long-travel, burly, enduro oriented, 29er.

    If it rides as well as, or better than, the RFX 4.0 that would be something . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stroganof View Post
    Fo - "RFX 29er" is shorthand for a Turner long-travel, burly, enduro oriented, 29er.

    If it rides as well as, or better than, the RFX 4.0 that would be something . . .
    "If"...

    my point, which is often wrong..is that once you put 29er wheels on it, its different, period. Some people would think its "better", some would not.

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    Who cares what DT calls it? Personally, I'm more interested in 140mm of travel and don't want a long wheelbase 29r. If Turner had a med travel 29r with a 150-160mm fork I would have bought it sight unseen and skipped the demo, just like my previous two Turners, 5spot and RFX. So, I'm off to try something different.

    The RFX is a beast. So much so that it's not really an all day love affair for me. Not getting rid of it that's for sure. It's way too fun on a 2-3 hour Sedona ride with lots of chunk and whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Who cares what DT calls it? Personally, I'm more interested in 140mm of travel and don't want a long wheelbase 29r. If Turner had a med travel 29r with a 150-160mm fork I would have bought it sight unseen and skipped the demo, just like my previous two Turners, 5spot and RFX. So, I'm off to try something different.

    The RFX is a beast. So much so that it's not really an all day love affair for me. Not getting rid of it that's for sure. It's way too fun on a 2-3 hour Sedona ride with lots of chunk and whatnot.
    exactly. dont call it an RFX is all.

    too bad there are no longer Homer conventions, your RFX would be perfect

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    "If"...

    my point, which is often wrong..is that once you put 29er wheels on it, its different, period. Some people would think its "better", some would not.
    Uuhhh, the original RFX was a 26Ē. Call it a Blumpkin for all I care though.

    Iím with rockman, Iíd buy a modern mid-travel 29er from turner in a heartbeat. Also like rockman, I couldnít wait an went for an evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ View Post
    Uuhhh, the original RFX was a 26Ē. Call it a Blumpkin for all I care though.

    Iím with rockman, Iíd buy a modern mid-travel 29er from turner in a heartbeat. Also like rockman, I couldnít wait an went for an evil.


    fair point...though I took Junior College physics for half a semester and i would venture say, it ain't linear. My math suggests that going from 26" to 27.5" wheels can indeed retain the "RFX-ishness" but the 27.5" to 29" let alone 26" RFX to 29" is tough.

    I had a 26" RFX, loved it. I had a 29" Sultan, loved it, and that may be my favorite all around bike I have owned (like an idiot i sold).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle View Post
    fair point...though I took Junior College physics for half a semester and i would venture say, it ain't linear. My math suggests that going from 26" to 27.5" wheels can indeed retain the "RFX-ishness" but the 27.5" to 29" let alone 26" RFX to 29" is tough.

    I had a 26" RFX, loved it. I had a 29" Sultan, loved it, and that may be my favorite all around bike I have owned (like an idiot i sold).
    I've got a 2015 anodized green Sultan size medium I was thinking about selling.

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    gotcha. i rode a large though. plus, as i am a bigger hack on a bike than i was 5 years ago when i rode and had multiple bikes, i can barely justify the 1 FS bike i already bought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    I wish DT would do modern aggressive geometry. I wouldnít bet on it though. Itís been solidly conservative for a while. Itís not hard, it just wonít happen. Please prove me wrong!
    off topic but, Yamaha with their two strokes are very solidly consertive as well. Wish they would come out with moar to kick some orange plumpkin azz.


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    Long live TSB!
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    Regarding ďmodern 29er geometryĒ I really like what Transition has done with SBG. Itís like how Turner always would say that how a bike rides is more than just about one number, itís the sum of the parts if you will. Relaxed headangle, but with a reduced offset fork. Longer reach, shorter stems. Steep seattube angle.

    Iíve demoíd the Smuggler a few times and was pleasantly surprised how well it handled. First modern geometry bike I really liked and Iíve tried a zillion. Though I do prefer the Turner DW suspension


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Regarding ďmodern 29er geometryĒ I really like what Transition has done with SBG. Itís like how Turner always would say that how a bike rides is more than just about one number, itís the sum of the parts if you will. Relaxed headangle, but with a reduced offset fork. Longer reach, shorter stems. Steep seattube angle.

    Iíve demoíd the Smuggler a few times and was pleasantly surprised how well it handled. First modern geometry bike I really liked and Iíve tried a zillion. Though I do prefer the Turner DW suspension
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    I think I remember that you ride XL so 3 quick questions regarding Smuggler:
    - is chain stay too short for tall guys (too much rear bias/ front end wandering)?
    - is BB height high enough (any pedal strikes)?
    - is stack high enough in XL size (need a lot if spacers)?
    Thanks Rideon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starre View Post
    I think I remember that you ride XL so 3 quick questions regarding Smuggler:
    - is chain stay too short for tall guys (too much rear bias/ front end wandering)?
    - is BB height high enough (any pedal strikes)?
    - is stack high enough in XL size (need a lot if spacers)?
    Thanks Rideon!
    Definitely no front end wandering. Infact very planted Iíd say. Wherever I pointed that bad boy, it was solid. No floppy feeling you get with some relaxed HT angle bikes. Despite the 66 deg upfront. And a 40mm stem...which is the absolute first time my big ape index could go that short. I find it amazing how far 29er geometry has come when bikes that clearly have longer wheelbases actually turn better than shorter ones.

    Less pedal strikes than what I get with the Sultan, which is pretty rare anyway.

    Stack height on the XL when combined with the 140mm Fox 36 was stellar. Gives room to go up with a big riser bar without looking too janky. I usually go 40mm, but on this bike Iíd probably come down abit. Stock on the XL is 30 which might be perfect, though neither one of the demos(1 was a rental) had the 30.

    Only gripe on the Smuggler for me is tire clearance. I really like running wide rims(34-36) with 2.6 tires 29er tire. 2.4 is the max on this bike




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    Are talking about the new rfx 29er?

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    Rode a Pivot Firebird 29 the other day. With the flip chip set on high, it rides a lot like my RFX v4.0.

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    Not quite related, but I demo'd a Mach 5.5. Could tell no difference between it and my Burner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    I have found that the Schick Quattro with 4 blades lasts a long time and cuts with little collateral damage. Certainly outdated compared to the 5 blade system but does the job just fine. But whats really interesting is the resurgence of single blade shaving, to read about it one would think that it's all we ever needed and disposable 2-6 cartridges are just a bunch of over priced and over marketed hype. What's next, mountain bikes without suspension? What happens when the dog catches it's tail?! Will bell bottoms really come back, again?
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    Turner DW suspension + modern 29 geometry would = incredible performance...kinda like bell bottoms and fat bottomed girls. I wanna ride my bicycle!


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    Has anyone tryied to mount a 29er Fork on the RFX (maybe 150mm travel to keep geometry as close as possible as today) ? It's a project I have in mind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Turner DW suspension + modern 29 geometry would = incredible performance...kinda like bell bottoms and fat bottomed girls. I wanna ride my bicycle!


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    It exists. Honestly, Pivot and IBIS both make dw bikes that ride very similar to Turners idea of a dw link. The only difference is that Turner was always better with big hits, as I find IBIS' implementation of the DW to be almost too linear.

    All things must pass and if you want a great up to date and competitive Turner, buy a Cyclosys.

    IF you want a great, solid, utilitarian, American made mountain bike, it also exists: Guerrilla Gravity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    It exists. Honestly, Pivot and IBIS both make dw bikes that ride very similar to Turners idea of a dw link. The only difference is that Turner was always better with big hits, as I find IBIS' implementation of the DW to be almost too linear.

    All things must pass and if you want a great up to date and competitive Turner, buy a Cyclosys.

    IF you want a great, solid, utilitarian, American made mountain bike, it also exists: Guerrilla Gravity.
    You are correct. Infact, Iíve been enjoying my 2019 Pivot Trail 429 for several months now. But you are also correct in saying that there were a few things about the Turner DW design that had its advantages and IMHO have still not been duplicated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    You are correct. Infact, Iíve been enjoying my 2019 Pivot Trail 429 for several months now. But you are also correct in saying that there were a few things about the Turner DW design that had its advantages and IMHO have still not been duplicated.
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    I wanted a mid travel 29r so got an Evil Offering. It is not as proficient at technical climbing as my RFX but is way more fun on the DH. I'll give the RFX the edge in bombing chunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    You are correct. Infact, Iíve been enjoying my 2019 Pivot Trail 429 for several months now. But you are also correct in saying that there were a few things about the Turner DW design that had its advantages and IMHO have still not been duplicated.


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    Yeah, I would agree. I still have my 5-spot and ride it often. Just a fantastic bike that can do almost anything. The RFX is too much for me and the Flux feels like too little.
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    I switched from a V3 Burner to a GG Megatrail. I do miss the DW link on the Burner as it seemed more bottomless and lacked any pedal kickback. The GG bike, while really good, and the steep seat angle is amazing for climbing along with an efficient suspension, has a sort of harsh quality on big hits with noticeable pedal kickback in the trail position. The downhill shock position is good, but pedal strikes are frequent so I really only use that for charging downhills. After riding the GG bike for half a season there are many little details about the Turner that I miss. Dave is leaving money on the table. He knows the game and is really good at developing these bikes. I'd love to see Dave come around and put together a stable of updated bikes. He has been left in the dust over the new school geo, but it works. There is no shame in updating geo to reflect current trends. I would probably dump my GG in favor of a Burner V4 or and aluminum RFX if it hit the reach and seat tube numbers I am looking for, and as long as it was a DW link. Long live Turner.

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    RFX 29er

    My Burner v3.1 was supposed to be a placeholder bike for me before getting a RFX. But the Burner is just so capable that I just keep on riding it. Size large with -1deg head - it is the equivalent to most (medium) modern frames on the market apart from the chainstay length. This does however give it a super stable 1200mm plus wheelbase.

    The aluminium frame still gets lots of comments at the Bike Park Wales and is not too much heavier than carbon. Iím interested in Ibis and Pivot but think DT is not really interested anymore with all these other great bikes on the market. I live in hope but, itís all meaningless as the exchange rate in the UK means that US bikes are almost twice the cost that the once were.

    Still enjoying my Turner. Still faster than 90% of riders on other bikes. It just works!

    (Donít even need the bigger wheels)




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    It's a tough market these days for a small boutique bike designer. But an open niche is the mixed wheelsize 29-/27.5 like the Foes Mixer. It's starting to gain traction on the DH World Cup as well as the EWS.

    Mixed wheel size. Do it DT! I'll pre-order even though I'm stoked on my Evil Offering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    What happens when the dog catches it's tail?! Will bell bottoms really come back, again?
    Alright, I gave up the Sultan...when can we see a single speed Cyclosis Ti with 29" wheels?
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    Still enjoying my Turner. Still faster than 90% of riders on other bikes. It just works!

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    I'd have to disagree with you on the new geometry - it's probably the most noticeable positive change in bike handling I've ever experienced in my mtb journey, which has been a continuous one since the late 1980's. It's understandable that one would make such an assertion after investing in a bike that has the old-school numbers......

    I only have empirical evidence to base my opinion on. My 2019 GT Sensor is by far the best handling bike I've ever ridden, and it is firmly in the whacky nu-geometry zone - it's what I would have hoped the 5-spot would have evolved into. I also recently sold my last Turner, and say what you will, there is no comparison.

    In a way, I feel like my new GT carries on the Turner model for handling excellence....but, I'm sad that I probably won't be getting any new Turner anytime in the future (if all the rumors are true)

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    I'd have to disagree with you on the new geometry - it's probably the most noticeable positive change in bike handling I've ever experienced...
    Agree. Of course there are some that take it too far for my tastes/needs. But on the whole the ď newĒ (not so new anymore) geometry simply works. As I see it, mainly because Iím not riding the same type of trails that I used to.

    New trails are gnarlier, faster, more flowy and a bike with a longer reach/Longer wheelbase/steeper seattube is just more optimal there. (Iím in the pnw). Iím not riding the same inherited hiking trails that were super tight and technical and generally ridden at a slower speed.

    The new geo for me is simply the right tool for the job. I can understand how some are perhaps not into riding these types of trails or live where the terrain doesnít benefit from this geo.

    The longer reach allows me be to be more centered and not ride off the back when things get hairy. I feel more in control and havenít had any issues with the front wheel sliding out when cornering. It requires a recalibration of riding style but Iíve become a better rider because of it.

    I would love to see a Turner version of it. DTís attention to detail and dw link iteration is something that I miss in other brands.

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    Iím not entirely sold on the new wave of super long bikes. My LBS made a mistake during my yearly suspension service which resulted in my riding a brand new $8k Bronson for a month. For perspective, Iíve been riding for over 25yrs, do well in my regional races, and prefer to ride the gnarlier end of the spectrum. I was hesitant to take the Bronson because I was afraid to fall in love and end up in an $8k romance. I dialed this bike in, installed the proper amount of volume reducers to dial things in to my liking, and eventually was pushing the bike pretty hard. Long story short, I got my RFX back and immediately set 3 PRs on my first ride, 1 going up, 2 going down. On paper, the Bronson should have been faster because it was longer, but it wasnít. Thereís more to a ride then seat angle and reach. I would buy a new RFX in a heartbeat because I think Dave knows how to make a better overall package.

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    The new rfx 29 er is going to be perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    The new rfx 29 er is going to be perfect!
    I appreciate your optimism, hopefully a new RFX comes out within the next year (in any wheel size) otherwise Ibis is likely going to get my money because they make the only other bike that comes close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VMaxx View Post
    I appreciate your optimism, hopefully a new RFX comes out within the next year (in any wheel size) otherwise Ibis is likely going to get my money because they make the only other bike that comes close.
    ignore freebiker, his optimism isn't reflected in reality.

    If you want to know what's really happening at Turner, call them, ask for Dave, explain what your situation is, and he'll tell you what's what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuddleDuck View Post
    ignore freebiker, his optimism isn't reflected in reality.

    If you want to know what's really happening at Turner, call them, ask for Dave, explain what your situation is, and he'll tell you what's what.
    I'm way ahead of you on that one. I've had several conversations with Dave, he's a cool cat. He told me the deal, I have my interpretation of what he told me, but I'm not going to fuel speculation or put words in his mouth. Suffice it to say that while its not all puppies and rainbows, there may be a very small sliver of hope (that's just my optimism now). At this point, I think the man himself should come and set us all straight, since he's pretty much a straight shooter.

    As far as the RFX goes, its just back luck that it was released when it was with all the change that was happening. Having said that, and having ridden many of the latest and greatest "modern" bikes, the RFX is still very much a benchmark on how a bike of this type should feel and handle. I've found that many of the online reviews in the more "popular" publications of these newer bikes can be a little misleading. I can get just about any new bike that I want at this point, but I'm waiting to find one that is a worthy successor to my RFX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokermtb View Post
    I only have empirical evidence to base my opinion on. My 2019 GT Sensor is by far the best handling bike I've ever ridden, and it is firmly in the whacky nu-geometry zone - it's what I would have hoped the 5-spot would have evolved into. I also recently sold my last Turner, and say what you will, there is no comparison.
    1. Apples and oranges - the difference is more due to well designed 29" vs. a well designed 26"; the 29'er will always be less squirrelly
    2. Every bike is a trade-off - each will excel in certain situations and perform poorly in others

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    More or less the same bike bro

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    Turner to launch new lineup at Sedona mtb festival!!!

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    Yes but the question is which years Sedona MTB Festival....

    My money is on 2027.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    Turner to launch new lineup at Sedona mtb festival!!!

    That joke stopped being funny about 2 years ago...
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    All jokes aside, the new turner bike lineup is going to be dope!

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    Only if you like hardtails and roady bikes. But at least they'll have his well-known quality.

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