Poll: What type of Turner do you ride?

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    Wink It really amazes me.....

    Being a new Turner owner, I am amazed at the amount of other Turner owners that are creating "Frankenbikes".

    No offence to be taken here, I am sure they work just great, but how many people actually ride a just plain jane turner? No mixed front triangles, rocker arms, linkages etc.



    HMM, should have had a "both" option in the poll. Anyone know how to modify a poll?
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    Well, I do have the shock upside down, but other than that it is stock!

    The fork on the other hand, I refer to as a ZAM150 now, with the addition of the 150mm hscv cartridge that is now in it
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    of the 3 i own, 1 is bone stock, one is a total frank and the last and oldest has seen a bit of frank in its history. part of the cool thing for me and some others is a tuners chamelean nature and its ability to handle it without messin up the geo yet provideing a more specific feel or particular quality not found stock. well guys, did i sum it up ok?
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    I think tuner should have the option on their website to customise linkages etc at time of purchase. Just like ventana does.

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    If you consider XR rockers on a Burner a "frankenturner" then I'm in. Otherwise, I just ride a Burner with XR rockers.

    How far do you want to go on this? Mating a 6-Pack frame to a 5-Spot linkage is obviously in. You have also included tweaking the linkage, so I guess the XR rockers also count. What about changing the shock? Pushing the shock? Different rubber from what you put on it the first time? Where are you going to draw the line?
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    My Spot has an 03 Z1FR that has a longer A-C than intended by DT. It causes a slacker HA and ST angles. Would you consider it a frankenbike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad Man Walking
    You have also included tweaking the linkage, so I guess the XR rockers also count. What about changing the shock? Pushing the shock? Different rubber from what you put on it the first time? Where are you going to draw the line?
    Tweaking the linkage meaning grinding it a bit to fit a schraeder valve of an alternate same sized shock, sure, that is still plain jane. Using rockers designed for a different frame - frankenturner. Pushing the shock, nah, thats plain.

    And hey, if you want to to change your brand of rubbers from your first time, do whatever it takes to spice up your night life.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Shorts
    My Spot has an 03 Z1FR that has a longer A-C than intended by DT. It causes a slacker HA and ST angles. Would you consider it a frankenbike?
    Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007
    Being a new Turner owner, I am amazed at the amount of other Turner owners that are creating "Frankenbikes".

    No offence to be taken here, I am sure they work just great, but how many people actually ride a just plain jane turner? No mixed front triangles, rocker arms, linkages etc.



    HMM, should have had a "both" option in the poll. Anyone know how to modify a poll?
    So far, I've kept all of my Turners (Stinger, original RFX, Flux, 5 Spot) stock. I do have a set of 6" plates for the RFX that will be going on after I get it refinished.

    Oh yeah, does Tscheezy's dropout pivot (not sure I can use H-L anymore) bushing mod count as a frankenbike build?

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    I'm riding an XR Rockin' Burner. Never thought of it as a frankenbike, but the rockers are a nice upgrade.

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    I tried a FrankenTurner with RFX rockers to gain some extra cushion for my repaired shoulders and wrists but didn't care much for the geometry unless I included a 6" singlecrown fork which resulted in a 15" BB height so I bought an old Proto between the RFX and the 6 pack; it's too heavy but my Spot is back where it belongs; 5/5.

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    I have a frank by neccesity. I sort of destroyed the rear traingle on my 00' RFX earlier this year and the 05' 6-Pack rear bolted right up.
    I do love the consistency in the engineering over the years.

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    Frankenturner! Why settle for ordinary when you can have extraordinary?

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    I was about to say totally stock, but that's not really true. I got an 03 dhr but had to warranty the front triangle......... 03 swingarm with spacer to add beef between contact points, 04 front, aftermarket shock.

    You guys don't really care about dhrs though..............the turner black sheep........


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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007
    With that remote reservoir located there do you ever run into standover issues?
    Never. Those frames actually sit really low across the top (notice the seemingly high seat position). You ever see a giant DH frame? Those things have seriously hight top tubes.

    Plus I never find myself riding squatted over the bb area with my saddle 3 inches into my spine.

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    With that remote reservoir located there do you ever run into standover issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    I was about to say totally stock, but that's not really true. I got an 03 dhr but had to warranty the front triangle......... 03 swingarm with spacer to add beef between contact points, 04 front, aftermarket shock.

    You guys don't really care about dhrs though..............the turner black sheep........


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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007
    Tweaking the linkage meaning grinding it a bit to fit a schraeder valve of an alternate same sized shock, sure, that is still plain jane. Using rockers designed for a different frame - frankenturner. Pushing the shock, nah, thats plain.

    And hey, if you want to to change your brand of rubbers from your first time, do whatever it takes to spice up your night life.......
    OK, so here's my semi-serious response to the question being begged by your initial post. You asked "how many?." Equally important questions are "why?" and "why on Turners?"

    Having posed the questions, I'll take a shot. The "why" is pretty straightforward. Bicycling is a gear sport, and we are guys (for the most part). In general, guys like to tweak things, and gear sports offer lots of opportunity to satisfy our urge for tweaking. By the nature of the equipment, mountain bikers are afforded more opportunities to tweak their gear than road bikers, but it's really all the same thing. It starts with messing with the air pressure and compression damping by twisting that little dial on the fork or the shock. Then maybe you decide to try different spring weights on a coil fork, or different oil weights and volume, or maybe even revamp the internals entirely (PUSH upgrade). Tires, saddles, seatpost quick releases or quick adjusters, etc....you are basically just tweaking your ride because...well heck, you are a guy and it's what you like to do.

    The other important question is "why Turners and not some of the other brands?" To this I would respond with a couple of related points. First, Turner's designs are derivative from his previous successful designs and share common design principles, and in many cases common parts. This interchangeability has afforded the Homer Nation the opportunity to try combinations that DT might not have considered, or didn't think made sense for volume production, but might meet an individual's requirements perfectly. Or not...maybe it sucks, but if the guy who put it together likes it who are we to judge? Compare Turner's entire line of bikes to the Specialized FSR bikes over the last few years. Specialized always needs to come out with something new and improved, to obsolete last year's model and stimulate new sales. This can not do anything good for design stability and parts interchangeability.

    The other aspect of Turners that allows the tweaking to work is that there is enough "headroom" in the designs to allow it. If the bikes were built to pare every last conceivable ounce, you might have a bike that works for its intended application but would have a higher incidence of failure when you exceeded those design parameters. Not intending to bash He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named here, but we'll use one of his designs as an example. Some older Truth frames were susceptible to failure at the seat tube, near the linkage pivot. If you had tried to increase the travel on that frame with a different set of rockers or something similar, I suspect that you would have been looking at a much higher failure rate simply because there was very little headroom in the bike as originally designed and built (even though it was a great ride within it's inteded performance envelope).

    So that's the long way of explaining it....the short version would be "because we like to" and "because we can."
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    It's all about making my baby custom! I've changed the rockers (6,7" versions in straight plate form with 5" to follow), gone with a longer stroke shock and different hardware. I think my Turner is of the highest quality, so I decided that changes would be ok and not cause all kinds of rear end flex or play. I plan on having it forever and even got a spare HL rear end, just in case.

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