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    A New Perspective

    I just got word that my Sovereign won't be here until at least next week so I put the wheelset I built up for it on my 6 Pack for fun.

    Then I compared my bike to my Son's XXL Sultan. Man, the boy's bike looks bigger than ever! My large 6 Pack looks like a clown bike in comparison to the well-proportioned Sultan. Any idea what's going on here?
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    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    That does look weird!
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    Either its the tires very low profile DJ tires by Kenda? or are they 20inch rims

    Sultan looks mean though
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    24" wheels on the Sovereign?

    Give that boy some Nevegals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    24" wheels on the Sovereign?

    Give that boy some Nevegals!
    We have a winner!
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    {Principal Skinner} Hmm. Whoever did this is in very deep trouble.
    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    The Sovereign is a supreme vaporbike, second only to the Evil Imperial. In fact, Evil/e13 has a loooong lineage of products introduced that never made market.

    "If you're not ready to sell it to me, then I don't want to hear about it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    The Sovereign is a supreme vaporbike, second only to the Evil Imperial. In fact, Evil/e13 has a loooong lineage of products introduced that never made market.

    "If you're not ready to sell it to me, then I don't want to hear about it!"
    Wrong...

    Here is some video I got of JerseyDave in Stowe in 2002 on his Imperial (don't recall the model year):



    Here is my 2005 Sovereign. I sold it to a friend at work:



    Before I got the Sovereign, I bought an Imperial SL (rare) from the same friend who bought my Sovereign (I didn't like the SL's dropout setup):



    My friend Adam and his friend got these great shots with their Imperials:





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    Bob, quick d!ckin around with grom bikes, and come out and ride this weekend. We are showing Dirtbag and TiSSer around Goose and Little Creek. Keep an eye out for the e-mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chingon
    Bob, quick d!ckin around with grom bikes, and come out and ride this weekend. We are showing Dirtbag and TiSSer around Goose and Little Creek. Keep an eye out for the e-mail.
    I'll be out of town until Sunday night, then I work Monday, sorry. Take some good pictures for the rest of us.
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    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    BTW don't stop being a kid dude enjoy the Sov looks like a wicked beast, but still go ride with EL C that would be a hoot 2

    I haven't rocked my DJ for a few weeks I just can't find enough time to ride 4 bikes eek

    I need a critical evaluation

    Must go ride something somewhere, to be fair nmy DJ hasn't left the backseat of my truck for about 6 weeks now it travels where I do

    24inch now that would be interesting, Im on standard 26inch on my trailer or park, now go enjoy that puppy.
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    Vapor Schmapor...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    The Sovereign is a supreme vaporbike, second only to the Evil Imperial. In fact, Evil/e13 has a loooong lineage of products introduced that never made market.

    "If you're not ready to sell it to me, then I don't want to hear about it!"
    Looks like a mix of Reynolds 853 and 725. Too bad I won't be home to build it up for another week and a half.

    Cool pics of the Evil nuns, syadasti!
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    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    btw what specc ya going with on that puppy sick looking frame

    SS ?
    Fork ?

    I love my RS Arglye one of the best forks Ive eva owned awesome for a DJ

    Congrats Bob thats gonna be a sweet rig show build pix soon hopefully, the DJ really helps sharpen ya skillz and is a whole heap of fun
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    Last part is finally in...

    I hope to have the bike built with pics by tonight or tomorrow.

    I needed this last bit. Y'all know what this is?
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    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    No, that's not phonetic
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    Colon polyp remover?
    My video techniques can be found in this thread.

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    Hone for the seat tube?
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    seat tube reamer

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    damn your kid is HUGE!!! i still remember the pic of him with that bike...didn't look so big when he was standing next to it! looked like a regular ol' 26"er!!

    hope he's enjoying the bike!

    nice new ride...but please keep your sex toys off the turner forum! and, ahem...use plenty of lube with that baby!
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    Bob, that tool is a flex-hone. I know, I have a couple of them.
    DING DING DING! We have a winner!
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    Yes, flex hone for the seat tube.

    One of the neat features of this design is that I can run an extra long post and get full extension (barely), but I can then lower the saddle completely out of the way. There is no water bottle mount to get in the way, the seat tube is a straight shot down to the bottom bracket.

    There was weld penetration in the seat tube that wouldn't allow the post past the down/seat tube junction. The hone sure worked slick, probably less than 30 seconds and the tube was clear.

    You do need lots of lube. I used Park cutting oil with good results!
    {Principal Skinner} Hmm. Whoever did this is in very deep trouble.
    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    No, that's not phonetic
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    I was correct too. You guys just haven't tried it in that application yet.
    My video techniques can be found in this thread.

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    ...mine had the same issue. Flex hone worked the trick. Be careful with the post at full extension, I bent a thomson pretty good on mine. Very fun bike tho....I'm sure you will enjoy it!


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    Got to love the ear tag on the heifer

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    Everything's finally done except shortening the brake hoses. Before yesterday, I'd never installed a BMX crank. Now I've installed the same set half a dozen times. I made the mistake of trying to set up my first chainguide and the 3 piece crank at the same time. Getting the chainline right was tough and taking a crankarm off to make a change is a lot of work. It didn't help that the cranks came with no instructions.

    The bike feels solid as a rock. It should, it weighs 33.3 pounds with the DT 5.1 wheelset off my 6 Pack.

    Build includes RS Pike 454, X.0 gripshift, XT front, X.7 rear derailleurs. FSA 4130 cranks with an XT 22 tooth little ring, Deore 36 tooth middle ring (both steel) and e.13 chainguide, Gravity Lite bars, Thompson post and 70 by 0 stem. Juicy 5's 8 inch front, 7 inch rear rotors to match the Pack. WTB Pure saddle, ODI grips. I'll put some real flat pedals on after I get a few rides in. Right now I'm running 40 mm of spacers and I'm using the back dropouts with the dropout assembly shifted full forward in the frame. When I use my 24 inch wheels, I'll leave the assembly in place and move the hanger to the front dropouts. The bike manuals really easily and I'm sure with the small wheels it will be even easier.
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    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    sweet ride.

    sovereigns give me a boner.
    lets not make it a religion, it is recreation

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    Notice the homage to trailadvent and Fo with the camo and X.7.
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    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    Oh and I forgot the headset is a FSA Pig DH Pro.
    {Principal Skinner} Hmm. Whoever did this is in very deep trouble.
    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    ...great looking build Bob!


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    too cool bob. have fun old man!
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    Notice the homage to trailadvent and Fo with the camo and X.7.
    Nice saddle Bob

    Keen to see some pix u doing some nac nacs now
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    Nice Bob. Looks like a lot of fun. Can't wait to hear some ride reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    Nice saddle Bob
    I like that saddle so much I got a new Turner Hauler to match (would've posted it in the hauler thread but...)


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    Like ya style there Aw nice paint job bu thats a chicks car ya need to put the pants back on hand over the keys to yr wife, partner or if single get a truck buddy

    Get some of these to help

    Now this is a real camo car

    but I prefer trucks like my latest hauler


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    Bob: Doing some research on people's fit on the sovereign, how tall are you? Getting enough extension to ride it as an XC rig? Pics look like you have things set up pretty high.

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    Bob ya gonna give us an update, I haven't seen anything on the Urba/DJ forum, you got any air on that puppy yet
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    Here's a picture with the 24 inch wheels, the forwardmost rear axle position and the fork at 95 mm.

    No serious air yet TA, I'm still learning to bunny hop with flats, but I'm having fun just the same.

    JoshG, this bike fits me quite well. I've been on one 15 mile XC ride with 26 inch wheels and the bike felt great. My usual saddle height from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle is 79 cm. This bike is 77.5 at full extension with a extra long Thomson post. The long top tube is very helpful for me: any shorter would be too short. I'm 6 foot half an inch with a 34 inch inseam. My arms are a little long for my height so I usually need longer than standard top tubes.

    One other frame I considered was the Surly Instigator. If you can't get enough extension with this bike, an 18 inch instigator would give you quite a bit more useful extension, but you'd need quite a bit longer stem to get the same reach.
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    {Principal Skinner} Hmm. Whoever did this is in very deep trouble.
    {Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

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    Thanks for the feedback Bob, sounds like I'd be right on the edge of getting climbing versatility out of the sovereign for my height (I am ~5" taller than you). Your detailed numbers help me get more info with out a bike to test ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob the Wheelbuilder
    Here's a picture with the 24 inch wheels, the forwardmost rear axle position and the fork at 95 mm.

    No serious air yet TA, I'm still learning to bunny hop with flats, but I'm having fun just the same.
    All good Bob, havin fun's all that matters, the buy hop is still one of the best tricks to play with, and ya can do it anywhere, bikes looking good with the dust cover, hows the body feel after a ride on that puppy!

    I know I get a little beat up if riding some trail, DJs or street body hangs in there fine
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