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    My humble bike ideas

    This was a nugget of gold pulled out of the DT callout thread, I felt it deserved its own thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by atomarc
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    I know you opened this invite to ???123, gnarcore, mtnbkr, dickhed etc. But I'll take a stab at it! Being a relative 'kook' I want you to build me a bike that will help me ride what I fear to ride now and give me the confidence to ride that which I currently think is above my ability. From your website I see a gaping hole in the freeride section of the spectrum. I know you have been working on this for some time but too discontinue your freeride frame alltogether??? I think the 5 spot has too steep of a headangle and is too light for a freeride bike, I think the dhr is too slack in the head and seat tube to be a freeride bike, the highline is no longer made but is probably a little heavy for the current market(I still want to buy one) and the RFX when it gets made may be out of date (sorry if it offends you but this is the second year I have had to buy a different bike because there is no RFX). That said could you lighten the highline without sacrificing strength? Your dhr is lighter. Could you build the RFX and maybe add a heavy duty option for 1/2lb get 1 1/2" headtube, 150mm rear and heavier DW link components so it can be ridden to the limit of the frames design?Or take the DHR to a freeride version with steeper head tube and steeper seat tube so it could be pedaled? My ideal would be HT66,Seat tube 72, BB 14.1", Chainstay 17.1" and 8.5- 9.0lbs frame,1.5 head tube, 150 rear, DHX 5.0 air with pro pedal,180mm travel(with fox 40mm single crown talas 180-150-130). What do you think?
    He has a point in that Turner is missing a true FR frame. (Something similar to say the Faith, for example.)

    As for me, I want to see a short travel 29er. Something like the Jet 9 (the upcoming one that hopefully won't crack) or the Superfly 100. Crabon if it can be kept in a reasonable price range, though with my budget restrictions I'd prefer aluminum.

    Just my 2¢
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    Nothing worthwhile to contribute to the post, but congrats on being able to pull something of value out of that thread

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    What I find sad is that no one seems to have anything to contribute...

    No one has any constructive criticisms at all, no ideas for the next bike?

    C'mon you homers, us Trance X owners had a 60 something post thread about what we didn't like, and all but one troll of it was civil and helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    What I find sad is that no one seems to have anything to contribute...

    No one has any constructive criticisms at all, no ideas for the next bike?

    C'mon you homers, us Trance X owners had a 60 something post thread about what we didn't like, and all but one troll of it was civil and helpful.
    I do want to help and I am actually seriously considering chopping in the RFX for a Sultan this year and getting my fat ass out on the trails, but I fear it might only be the new year's eve resolutions talking.....

    Would it be sacrilege to ask for a mid-priced hardtail? I know it's Turner Suspension Bicycles and all, but I think I might actually buy one. I might even use it.

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    I think the part you may have missed is that the market for premium priced "freeride" bikes doesn't really exist. At least not in the numbers that would cover the development costs. That is why the Highline is no longer being built. Sales didn't really take off until the price was dropped by 30 or 40 percent. I'm too busy to search for you, but look up some of DT's posts on this subject. He offered to develop a DW Link freeride bike if 100 people put down a deposit of $2K to help fund the development. They would have input into the geometry, with DT having the final decision. Do you know how many people expressed serious interest? Zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    He has a point in that Turner is missing a true FR frame. (Something similar to say the Faith, for example.)
    Here's a good thread to answer why there's a hole there in the Turner lineup:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=567581

    Quote Originally Posted by AL29er
    Here is a interview DT did with Mountain Biking by 198. Should give you a good idea for what kind of guy DT is. IMO he is good people.[/url]
    That interview is well worth listening IMO.

    If we learned anything from the HL experience, it's that despite the best feedback/design considerations on the front-end, the original was higher/steeper than what most people wanted in that class of bike. Later iterations of the HL resulted in utilizing a shorter i2i shock (lower bb/slacker ht angle/less travel).

    The DW-Spot has just about everything I want in an "all-around" bike... I'd prefer slightly slacker - but it's pretty d@mn near perfect as is and versatile to boot. I wonder if there's any hope that a bike shop could sponsor a slacker Spot like the Path bike shop did with the El Ciclon?

    Fantasy aside, perhaps the new DW RFX will scratch that "slacker" itch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough
    I think the part you may have missed is that the market for premium priced "freeride" bikes doesn't really exist. At least not in the numbers that would cover the development costs. That is why the Highline is no longer being built. Sales didn't really take off until the price was dropped by 30 or 40 percent. I'm too busy to search for you, but look up some of DT's posts on this subject. He offered to develop a DW Link freeride bike if 100 people put down a deposit of $2K to help fund the development. They would have input into the geometry, with DT having the final decision. Do you know how many people expressed serious interest? Zero.
    That's fair enough I suppose.

    I stand by my want of an racy 29er.
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    Maybe a slacker spot with tabs for a schmidt (or any modern chain guard), thru axle rear and a little lower bb, but as has been said, the spot may be the best of breed... I love how the 160 Lyric has slacked it out, and once i put a coil in back, with minions it's a hell of a decender at a hair over 30lbs

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    I have a similar post (rant) requesting similar specs in the new 2010 Canfield forum thread toward the end here:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=556801

    It looks like my current possible bike to hit these specs is the new Banshee Spitfire which again has been recently updated. Updated very nicely I may add. Info can be seen here:

    http://bansheebikes.blogspot.com/search/label/Spitfire

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    Maybe a slacker spot with tabs for a schmidt
    I LIKE that idea
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    Would it be sacrilege to ask for a mid-priced hardtail?


    see chromag doood ....have me eyes on a stylus for next year. to go with the Highline david.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altadank
    Would it be sacrilege to ask for a mid-priced hardtail?


    see chromag doood ....have me eyes on a stylus for next year. to go with the Highline david.
    If that was in response to me, then thanks - I'll have a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    I do want to help and I am actually seriously considering chopping in the RFX for a Sultan this year and getting my fat ass out on the trails, but I fear it might only be the new year's eve resolutions talking.....

    Would it be sacrilege to ask for a mid-priced hardtail? I know it's Turner Suspension Bicycles and all, but I think I might actually buy one. I might even use it.
    Go for the Sultan , Tidy......it spanks and yeah you will want to ride it more often !

    As far as the hardtail thingy.......well you might check in with Foshizzle for some helpful ideas on that horrible thought , LOL ! Hey speaking of which where has Fo been hiding anyway....No way , out riding the Foskey ? Has he no principles ? TIG.

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    Been on the dw spot over 1 year and have put lots and lots and lots of miles on it on all types of terrain from SoCal to South Mountain/Goat Camp to Sierra single track and granite. This is what I would change about my large.

    • 1* Slacker HT
    • Slightly Shorter TT to get the extra slack and maintain the same wheel base
    • 5" HT instead of 5.3" - too tall
    • BB height the same or no more than a .25" lower
    • TA rear
    • I wouldn't mind a slightly burlier front triangle - similar to the El Ciclon tube set. I would have no problem with adding a 1/4 - 1/2 pound to the frame

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    I like it. It seems like a lot of riders have been asking for 5" bikes with slacker geometry. Basically 5" bikes with similar geometry to the current crop of 6+" bikes (RFX, ReignX, Rune, Remedy, etc.); 67* HA, ~73* SA, but with a lower bb.

    I think people are realizing they don't need 6" of travel to rip most trails and if they want a longer travel bike they may as well go even slacker than the typical 67* HA.

    It sounds like there are a couple bikes coming out in the near future. The Spitfire and the Evil 140 mm bike come to mind. Could also go custom Ventana.

    I agree a slacker 5 Spot would be the call. I know I could run a longer fork on the current model, but this raises the BB and slackens the seat angle. No good for me. Will it ever happen? Probably not.

    Hopefully the manufacturers will catch on soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue
    Been on the dw spot over 1 year and have put lots and lots and lots of miles on it on all types of terrain from SoCal to South Mountain/Goat Camp to Sierra single track and granite. This is what I would change about my large.

    • 1* Slacker HT
    • Slightly Shorter TT to get the extra slack and maintain the same wheel base
    • 5" HT instead of 5.3" - too tall
    • BB height the same or no more than a .25" lower
    • TA rear
    • I wouldn't mind a slightly burlier front triangle - similar to the El Ciclon tube set. I would have no problem with adding a 1/4 - 1/2 pound to the frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR
    Hopefully the manufacturers will catch on soon.
    I have a feeling DT may be listening on this one.

    I agree, lots of travel isn't needed to rip. IMO the DW provides quality travel. I wouldn't say this bike is limited by its travel. It's usually down the very steep stuff with the HA or in the burliness of the front triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR
    I like it. It seems like a lot of riders have been asking for 5" bikes with slacker geometry. Basically 5" bikes with similar geometry to the current crop of 6+" bikes (RFX, ReignX, Rune, Remedy, etc.); 67* HA, ~73* SA, but with a lower bb.

    I think people are realizing they don't need 6" of travel to rip most trails and if they want a longer travel bike they may as well go even slacker than the typical 67* HA.

    It sounds like there are a couple bikes coming out in the near future. The Spitfire and the Evil 140 mm bike come to mind. Could also go custom Ventana.

    I agree a slacker 5 Spot would be the call. I know I could run a longer fork on the current model, but this raises the BB and slackens the seat angle. No good for me. Will it ever happen? Probably not.

    Hopefully the manufacturers will catch on soon.

    TG
    Actaully agree. The Sultan and spot seem really close in purpose to me. So beef up the spot and RFX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    What I find sad is that no one seems to have anything to contribute...

    No one has any constructive criticisms at all, no ideas for the next bike?

    C'mon you homers, us Trance X owners had a 60 something post thread about what we didn't like, and all but one troll of it was civil and helpful.
    What's the point? My Sultan is perfect just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    What I find sad is that no one seems to have anything to contribute...

    No one has any constructive criticisms at all, no ideas for the next bike?

    C'mon you homers, us Trance X owners had a 60 something post thread about what we didn't like, and all but one troll of it was civil and helpful.
    They never ever have any constructive anything except to make fun of those they disagree with. TN Carpenter is older then death and can make cute little movies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo
    They never ever have any constructive anything except to make fun of those they disagree with. TN Carpenter is older then death and can make cute little movies...
    Who?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    Go for the Sultan , Tidy......it spanks and yeah you will want to ride it more often !

    As far as the hardtail thingy.......well you might check in with Foshizzle for some helpful ideas on that horrible thought , LOL ! Hey speaking of which where has Fo been hiding anyway....No way , out riding the Foskey ? Has he no principles ? TIG.
    TIG, I was with you and respecting your opinion right up until you suggested I ask Fo for advice. Since you have always seemed sensible before, I'll have to put it down to excessive intake on New Year's Eve.

    Last I heard he was hawking an unused Ti hardtail around the pawn shops of SoCal....something about "I can't sell it on the internet, they'll mock me".

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    forgot to state this earlier, but while the spot is damn close, I would love a better platform for standing and mashing. No doubt the dw link is a hell of a smooth sus and the custom valved RP23 is smooth on the descents and a solid seated climber, but it bobs a decent amount when you need to stand and mash...

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    Quote Originally Posted by idrivefun
    I would love a better platform for standing and mashing.
    Buy a hardtail

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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001
    That's fair enough I suppose.

    I stand by my want of an racy 29er.
    Yeah, me too . Though I have to say that the Mach 429 is a great stand-in. I personally prefer it to the Jet9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough
    Yeah, me too . Though I have to say that the Mach 429 is a great stand-in. I personally prefer it too the Jet9.
    I'd like it to be a bit lighter... (coming from the man with the 28lb bike.)
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