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    George Dickel
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    Long, & possibly stupid, thread. Ok, maybe even retarded.

    Alrighty then... so for the unfortunate few of you who have followed my meanderings into Turner land, here's the deal - My '04 Spot now has an '06 Zoke All Mountain 1 on the front, and an '05 Fox rp3 on the back. Yes, both are superior to the Swinger and Minute fork I previously had on my technologically inferior Horst link model. So yesterday I do a 3 hour tour, then another 1.5-2 hours this evening. I realize from my extensive study that the Marzocchi will get better with time, after an oil change, fine tuning the settings, etc. (Although I understand why these forks get high marks - ok, it's heavy, but otherwise it's like butter). I also note that the rp3 is easier to tune and much more supple (with no loss of "efficiency") than the Swinger. However, I tend to think that having a "balanced" ride (i.e. front to back) is important and makes the ride more enjoyable. Which right now I don't feel I have. Difficult to describe, but after a rocky, technical downhill (for ME - and I have the skills of a 13 year old boy on his first date) the first thought I had was "That was fun, but the front seems alot heavier than the back. So how do I add weight to the back?" I know, those who recommended a coil (i.e. Vanilla or Romic) on the rear will say that those choices will make a difference, but so far I am much happier with the rp3 than the Swinger, so I find it hard to believe a coil will make that much of a difference. But then adding weight simply for the sake of "balancing" a bike seems completely retarded. Right now the Spot comes in about 30+ lbs. i am wondering what another 12-16 oz on the rear will do for the ride. Maybe I have come up with a new bicycling disease - "Anti-weight-weenie-itis." The heavier my bike, the happier I am. I admit my problem, and accept that it is a disease. Hopefully I will find others who have a similar problem and can guide me through a 12 step program... who knows, in 2 years, I may be bragging on my 25 lb Spot. (No offense, Davide)
    I once corrected DW about a bicycle related topic.

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    I can relate to what you're saying about balance, but it might not be a matter of weight per se, but a reflection on the two very different characteristics of your shocks: a very progressive RP3 mated to a more linear Zoke.

    I had a similar issue with my first 'Spot build: an RP3 mated with a TALAS (as in Linear Air Spring). At first I loved it because the overall ride was such an improvement over my previous POS that I didn't care. After a while I cared. I ditched the RP3 for a the more linear DHX-A. That was much better match for the TALAS, then I had issues with the TALAS so I got a Dual Air Pike. Both the DHX-A and the Pike are a tweakers dream and complement each other well, IMO. In the end I got the balance I was looking for, but it had nothing to do with weight. It was more about matching damping characteristics (curves?) or some such thing.


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    Option A: Resist the urge to take a dump before your ride.

    Option B: get a lighter fork (Pike Air).
    My video techniques can be found in this thread.

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    Just wanna point out that the rear shock is pretty close to the front/rear balance point for the bike, so going to a coil shock probably wouldn't change the weight balance much.

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    OK, after much thought I've got to throw my hat in the ring for Tscheezy's option B. I recently made the switch from a 2003 Z1 FR to a Pike 454, wow, what a difference. I'm also running an RP3 in the back & didn't notice how out of balance the bike was until my first ride with the Pike. The front and rear react more consistently and predictably, particularly when the trail turns nasty. I tried everything with the Z1, even different weight oils, to no avail. A few tweeks of air pressure & rebound damping and the Pike is perfect (at least until the next great fork arrives on the scene).

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    Well, I ate a huge salad tonight (lots of roughage) so we'll see how option A works out tomorrow...
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