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    Lightweight AM Wheelset for DW 5 Spot Suggestions

    Hi All,

    Any suggestions for a lightweight AM wheelset for a DW 5 Spot I'm building up?

    If I could somehow convince myself to part with the $$$ (I'm kinda curbing the spending after just laying down the dosh for the frame!), I'd go with the 2010 Crossmax SX, the weight is amazing at 1615g, http://www.mavic.com/mtb/products/cr....105352.1.aspx but this wheelset is very exxy at the moment.

    My second thought was to build a custom wheelset, for example, Hope Pro 2 with 819 and use a DT Swis RWS Thru bolt, but the weight is 1950g, http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/sho...php/photo/3828

    Can anyone suggest a lighter alternative to the second option at a similar price range?

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    +1 to the 819's with HPII's or CK's for Spot. Call Dave at Redstone for handbuilt set by the man himself at great price.

    I had a lighter DT Swiss wheelset that quickly went to taco city from a common OTB fall. Not so for the 819 setup.

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    I've become a fan of the Syncros DS 25 hoops. They are very strong @ 510 gms. I've been beating on mine for the past two months at 215 lbs, and they are true as the day they were built. I have them laced to DT Swiss 440 hubs. The hubs are overkill for what I use the Spot for, but lace em to some Hopes or DT 340's, and you'll have a strong, light AM wheelset that can take a beating.
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    It's hard to imagine that the Mavic's are up to true AM duty at 1615 grams. That's getting scary light for a 29er AM wheelset.

    Hard to beat the custom, hand-built route. Larry at Mtn. High and Mike Curiak at lacemine29 have both built me flawless wheelsets.

    If you want premade AM wheels, I've had good luck with the Bontrager Rhythm Elites, and they are super simple and cheap to set up tubeless, if that matters.

    I break every freehub known to man, except Kind and Hadley, so I'm currently runnning King rear hubs, several different front hubs, and Bonty Duster rims (again, easy to set up tubeless, reasonable weight and cost, and Bonty really stands behind them QUICKLY in the event of a problem -- which cannot be said for Mavic).
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    Check out the DT EX 1750. Convertible front and rear hubs, wide rims, 1750 grams with plenty of beef. I used them for a season on my Ventana ElCiclon before getting my Sultan and they are as true, round, and tight as the day I bought them.

    Building a set of DT, Hope, or Kings to a pair of Stan's Flows always works well, and if you're using Supercomp spokes they could be in the sub 1800 gram range.
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    I would suggest the NoTubes ZTR Flow Wheelset with the heavy duty front hub. It should come out between 1700-1750gr depending on your fork setup and won't break the bank either. If you are willing to go with a narrower rim (like the 819's) you could go with the Arch wheelset and save another 100gr or so.

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    You don't mention your size or riding style or everyday terrain.

    I am 205 (w/o gear) and ride a 2008 5-Spot all over South Mountain in Phoenix, AZ. I have 2000 miles on my Chris King hub, ZTR355 rim wheelset that Dave Thomas of Dave's Speed Dreams built for me. Still light and true.

    Take a look at the wheel reviews here on MTBR. There is one name that flies off the page. Dave's Speed Dreams wheels....

    My only experience with a custom wheelset is this one, but I have ridden many, many, machine built wheels in the past, but no more. Only handbuilt for me.

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    Kings w/ DT Swiss 4.2D. very light rim @ 400g and suprisingly strong. been beating on these for 3-4 years and three 5 Spots - no problems.

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    hope pro + 819

    I have had hope + mavic 819 + det rev spokes for 4years of hard use and they are still 100% OK.

    The down side of mavics otherwise exellent 819 is that they are rather narrow so theres no point runnin proper mountain tyre say nobby nics in 2.4 wide eaven 2,25 gets a bit wobbly with low pressures .
    so if you fansy proper sized rubber
    i would recommend wider rims.
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    Hope pro 2 - 819

    Super tuff and stiff They are loud if you can deal with that. Hard to beat for the $.
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    I have two pairs of Chris King wheels, one on Mavic 317's and the other on No Tube's Freeride (now discontinued, a very wide 32mm rim for 550gm).

    Both are heavier than I would like, so I'm trying a pair of Specialized Roval Traverse wheels. These are 26mm wide, the front is convertible between QR, 20mm and 25mm, with 15mm to come soon, and they weigh in at 1600gm with the 20mm adapters.

    I apologise for mentioning Specialized on the Turner forum

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    Another vote for the ZTR Flow rims. With Hope II or CK hubs. Great wheels.
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    Mavic hubs are some of the least reliable on the market. Their rims are nice, but hubs, not so much.

    I'd suggest DT5.1d rims, DT Aerolite Spokes, Chris King hub in the rear, with fun bolts for better rear end stiffness and a front hub like a DT 440.

    Like these:
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    I love the Fact that no-one has mentioned I9. (yet)

    Guess I'm not the only one who was glad to get rid of their I9's and get some real wheels built.

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    What was bothered you about the I9s?

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    hope pro 3 straight pull. Weight: Front 1087g (inc 183mm rotor) Rear 1210g (inc 160mm rotor)

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    I would have, but he said he was trying to keep the expenditure down. I would take I9s over Mavic wheels every time.

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    Wow! Thanks for all the replies guys!

    Just to give a bit of background, I am coming off a Banshee Rune, which was my "one" bike, which I rode anyway from short XC blasts, all mountain style thrashes (small drops and jumps, nothing over 5-6 foot) through to the occasional DH race.

    So, have decided that one bike does not do it all, so will get a 8" bike for DH/Gravity style riding and have the 5 Spot for everything else.

    I guess my riding on the 5 Spot will be general trail riding as described above and riding the b-lines at the local DH tracks.

    So, to be more specific, I guess, I am leaning to the more lighter side of the AM wheelsets, so I am thinking 1.9 to 2kg's would be overkill, thats something I'd keep for my DH bike. I am looking for a 1.7-1.8kg set.

    There are lot of good suggestions here ... let me digest it all and will let you all know what I decide. I still have 4 weeks before I build my bike so will take my time in getting it right

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    I love my Mavic Crossmax XT's, they take a lot of abuse and are very light. I bought a pair of Crank Brother's Iodines and my bike tech, repair guy had me return them as he thought my Mavics were stronger and lighter. I put the dough towards a drive train make over. BTW, I'm 180, NM rocky riding, techie, no big drops (unless Mtn. Biker 123 is riding her) on a med DW spot.

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    Very useful thread, all. Keep the ideas coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_
    What was bothered you about the I9s?

    _MK

    I have had quite a few different wheelsets. DTswiss, Mavic, Kings, and shimano.

    Initially I really liked my I9's. seemed stiff. tracked well. light weight.

    BUT.....

    WHEN all 6 bearings in the I9's were shot after a seasons use. That suked. Then the easy to break spokes started to annoy me. 3rd was the amount of trueing the wheels required. I could fart and they'd go out of true.

    No thanks.

    My LBS just recieved my NEW HADLEY hubs and I can't wait to be back on a real wheelset.

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    Hope SP3 AM4 Flow.
    Front 926g
    Rear 1060g

    Hoops with rotors in that weight...

    As soon as I will smash bank I will go for it

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    ok so say that maybe you wanted to spend a bit more. What are ideas for a dw spot, 195lb rider, doing it all over the mountain and wants to be 1600ish g? I am looking at dw 240 hubs and their carbon xrc330 rim, but will it be strong enough ? Just toasted my es540 today by putting my foot through the rim....

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    Edge rims for the lightweight build on 240 or 190 hubs... Or the Roval Control SL for less than half the price.
    Edge would be a much wider rim than DT, which makes for a better riding trail bike. Please correct me if the 2010 rims are wider...
    I have some pretty knarly rough riding in on my Edge 29 AM rims (w/ Kings and Aerolite spokes) and they are holding up great with amazing stiffness. In 26" form they are even stiffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unclekittykiller
    Kings w/ DT Swiss 4.2D. very light rim @ 400g and suprisingly strong. been beating on these for 3-4 years and three 5 Spots - no problems.
    Hiya UncleK! DT 4.2D sounds promising ... whats sort of riding do you generally do on these rims?

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    I second your first inclination.

    The 2009 and later Mavic SX are hard to beat.

    First, weight. There is nothing even close in the same class and they are very strong. (Class ="Enduro/FR")

    Second, if you want tubeless, go with the real deal. Any so-called "tubeless ready" wheelset that is close in weight needs a conversion kit factored in. Personally, I've had enough of dealing with the conversion route and prefer the true UST Mavics. With set of Maxxis "LUST" tires (tread of your choice, I'm running the Ignitors) you will have a bombproof wheelset. The sidewalls on those tires are amazingly tough...

    Third, they are tougher than previous Mavic wheels. Comments regarding the hubs not being dependable are irrelevant as the rear hub is a complete redesign that replaced the nylon bushing with a bearing. Pawls also went from 2 to 4 dramatically increasing engagement points.

    Fourth, they are a good looking set of wheels without being overly blingy.

    Edit: Fifth, many options for the rear: QR, 12mm axle, 10mm axle (w/internal adapters). While not in the pic, I've since converted to DT Swiss 10mm tool-less axle (forgot what they call that thing...)

    Of course wheel choice is a very personal thing, but the above reasons are why I went with the 09 SX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur
    Edit: Fifth, many options for the rear: QR, 12mm axle, 10mm axle (w/internal adapters). While not in the pic, I've since converted to DT Swiss 10mm tool-less axle (forgot what they call that thing...)
    Interesting, I've been looking at the crossmax SX, but I didn't like the QR, and no mention of 10mm TA use on the mavic website.

    Could you elaborate on your 10mm set-up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deoreo
    Interesting, I've been looking at the crossmax SX, but I didn't like the QR, and no mention of 10mm TA use on the mavic website.

    Could you elaborate on your 10mm set-up?
    Sure. The rear hub has some black end caps that can be pried off. Underneath the end caps are guides for the QR skewer. These guides can be pulled out. If you put the end caps back on, it would be set up for 12mm. For 10mm, you need an adapter kit. It consists of two small aluminum sleeves, each with a recessed O-ring that helps retain them in place. One sleeve pops into each side of the rear hub axle and the black end caps are snapped back on.

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    What about Easton Havoc? Are they even considered light weight? I also second the I9 Enduro's. I have those and, knock on wood, no problems yet.

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    I just got a pair of Syncros DP25 rims to go with my Hope Pro2s.
    I'm excited to be on a lighter wheelset (Hoping to catch my faster buddies uphill).
    Lets see how they stand up to my thrashing.

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    I recently purchased a hand built wheelset from Chad at Red Barn Bikes.....Hadley hubs w/ 20mm thru axle and ZTR Arch rims, came in around 1680 grams. Chad's customer service is fantastic and his suggestions were spot on. Oh yeah, $650.00 (shipping not included) and worth every penny.

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    I have a set of Spinergy Xyclones that I was considering, as my AM lightweights. What your guys thoughts. $90 to convert them to the new hub an make them 20mm in the front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spadmike
    What about Easton Havoc? Are they even considered light weight? I also second the I9 Enduro's. I have those and, knock on wood, no problems yet.
    havoc am = 1926 actual g total (no QR). and cheap...i paid $400 for a new set on ebay.

    for that you get a very strong and stiff wheel with over 22 mm of inner width...can run 2.5 DH tires if you want. stronger and more abuse-resistant than, say, a DT 5.1 wheelset.

    excellent hub reliability IME and other owners I know seem to agree.

    BUT the rear hub cannot be converted to 10 mm thru axle, unfortunately.

    i have the advantage of having owned every wheelset out there and having genius-level insight and can tell you that my next AM wheelset will probably be hadley rear (72 pt), hope II front, stan's flow rims, dt comps, brass nips. Best combo of strength/stiffness/tubeless simplicity/hub reliability/value....520 bucks hand-built if you shop around. i have 3 sets of hadleys, years of use, zero issues, less hassle than my CK's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
    I have a set of Spinergy Xyclones that I was considering, as my AM lightweights. What your guys thoughts. $90 to convert them to the new hub an make them 20mm in the front?
    i think Fo got some xyclones, so that right there tells you they suck and are e-poserish.

    hope this helps.
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    I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    i think Fo got some xyclones, so that right there tells you they suck and are e-poserish.

    hope this helps.
    For all the crap Spinergys get in the forums and from my LBS sale kid, you would think the CEO himself proclaimed socialism for everybody.

    The 1 informative write up I've read in a German mag said the were above average on the lateral stiffness dept, light enought at 1700g, and from the moderate use I've put them through they've held up and are still true.

    Does anybody have real world experience with a set of Spinergys, or is this forum filled with adolecents who parrot themselves? Hell, I've read that Hadley even makes the hub assembly... Is there any truth to this? Frankly, I'd like to run them a little harder on a longer travel bike, but I don't want to learn how strong they are the hard way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
    Does anybody have real world experience with a set of Spinergys, or is this forum filled with adolecents who parrot themselves? .
    No, actually this is a dull place bereft of any sense of humor. Here's it's all-data, all-the-time.

    In past years Spinergy earned a bad name for themselves. So there's a hangover effect from that i.e. not many people out there (in the US anyway) risking $$$ on the new and improved spinergies...which means a relative lack of good objective user reviews from people that have credibility.

    Not to be flippant, but what have you got to lose in trying your Spinergy's? the front hub upgrade is not very expensive. Worst case scenario, you'll damage the rear rim within the first month, spend a bit ($120? no idea) on getting that repaired, and you can share your results here. Best case scenario, you'll find that you're one of those AM riders who gets by fine w/ those wheels.

    Generalizations are always problematic. I know 200 lb guys who never destroy wheels, and 150 lb guys who often do. many variables involved.

    edit to add: actually, did you say $90 to upgrade the front hub? that's a lot compared to the competitors' hubs.
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    What failed on the previous generation of Spinergys, and what did they do to remedy the situation to date? I need a history lesson.


    Your right, being prudent would mean getting the updated v4 hub for $90 and put a 20mm axle in there. I may have to run the rear until I get the front rebuild on the new hub just to see if I can taco it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORENZ
    What failed on the previous generation of Spinergys, and what did they do to remedy the situation to date? I need a history lesson.

    in Google, just type in 'spinergy' + a negative word, and you'll find lots of fun reading.

    i just googled 'spinergy crap' and got some good, ahem, history.

    and then i googled 'spinergy garbage' and got even more hits.

    this could be a fun game. what word, when googled with 'spinergy', yields the most negative reviews? 'spinergy ripoff'?
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    I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.

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    OK, the search is over!

    Check this out, Easton Haven, new wheel showcased at Interbike:
    • Intended for all-mountain riding
    • 1650 gram total weight
    • Tubeless rim - no rim strip needed!
    • Straight pull spokes
    • 21 mm internal rim width (great for 2.3 - 2.5" tires)
    • Front wheel can use both 9 mm QR or the newer 15 mm thru-axle
    • Rear wheel 10/135 QR
    MSRP $850

    Info and vid from pinkbike:
    http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Easton-...bike-2009.html
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    I've been riding Spinergy's for AM use for 2 seasons. The good news: Very strong, very light (I'm about 165 lbs with camelback on). The bad news: They're too narrow for a 2.4 unless you run a tire with a stiff sidewall. Makes for some sketchy cornering.

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    I have had a set of the Spinergy Xyclone discs for around three years, on two different XC bikes, with Zero problems. They have never needed to be tweaked or anything. They are awesome wheels. I love them.

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    the new Haven from Easton might be a good choice. 26mm width (the Velonews article says 21mm since the placard at the Easton booth was a mis-print, but it is a 26mm width, basically the same width as an EX 5.1d). It was 1650g and with a full UST rim, very nice trail wheelset from the looks of it. After seeing one in person in Vegas, I was contemplating purchase. There is a new wheelset from DT Swiss as well at 1650g, with straight pull spokes. My DT 240 hubs laced to EX 5.1's are good, but a little heavy at 1900g, plus tubeless rim-strips. They are quite stiff and strong though. And, there is also I-9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lzyboy
    Hiya UncleK! DT 4.2D sounds promising ... whats sort of riding do you generally do on these rims?
    lots of rocky XC, some small drops - maybe 4ft. i like to ride very techy terrain and they hold up quite well.

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    +1 for Spinergy; they had various quality control issues in the past but thier products over the last couple years have been very good. I ride Xyclones on my racer and PBO stealth on my road rocket; two seasons on both and the only problem was a broken spoke two weeks ago; they sent me five replacements in the mail (no charge) and it took longer to remove and re-fit the Stans system then it did to fit the replacement spoke and true the rim.

    I run a 2.3" front tire (Nevegal) on Xyclone with no problems.

    Less than 1700g and strong as you like!

    I'm going to try some Stans rims on Hope hubs as a comparison, I suspect it will be 50/50.

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