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    Smile Honey, I shrank the 6-Pack...

    Look out Team Sanchez, here comes the littlest member...









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    Sweet Jesus!! Now I know where the Paypal income is going. Does Barny know?
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    Does Barny know? Well, after riding it yesterday, I think she suspects...

    It got the frame used from Scruffylooking (a very pleasant transaction, thank you ), some loose bits off eBay, and just cobbled the rest together with some junk from the parts bin.
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    Shrunk...huh?

    Looks normal size to me I like the grey / blue combo.


    Her parts-bin build is nicer than Fo's new build!
    Last edited by SSINGA; 09-15-2006 at 02:27 PM.
    Nothing to see here.

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    Nice! Kings even, and just in time for Utah. Tell her to start working on the pedal kick to flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    just cobbled the rest together with some junk from the parts bin.
    Spoken like a true Homer poseur snob - so I assume this means we'll be getting some airborn Barny shots now.
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    Looks nice, but what's with the Kotter pin? That can't be OEM!!!

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    Nicely done. I want your parts bin.

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    Looks sweet TC, am loving this piece, this rates highly. Very cool, very Kiwi, New Zealand styles there..................
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Shrunk...huh?

    Looks normal size to me I like the grey / blue combo.


    Her parts-bin build is nicer than Fo's new build!
    doh! dude, you are the master of peer pressure!!!!

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    tscheezy - I want to be your girlfriend if there are any more parts left in the bin!

    Fo - Don't worry, that is a crappy old horst link bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by murphie
    tscheezy - I want to be your girlfriend if there are any more parts left in the bin!

    Fo - Don't worry, that is a crappy old horst link bike
    LOL.....good point...horst link. i feel SO much better

    so now, as if it is not bad enought that SSINGA is annoying me with upgrades I need to do, my dealer (ie, Chad-izzle) is tempting my willpower (or lackthereof).

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    Mandatory Whistler Spokeswoman/Gravity Camp for Barny next year.
    All the cool girls will be there .





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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat
    I assume this means we'll be getting some airborn Barny shots now.
    I'm just glad she's going to be on a Pack now so I have an excuse ("But I'm on a 5 Spot") when she's hitting stuff in Utah that I won't touch!
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    Nice tscheezy, looks like Barney inherited your Z1, guess we will be the only ones there with "XC" forks on our RFX's I hope to break mine on some of the flat drops so I have an excuse to get a taller fork

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    Looks sweet. I sure hope she doesn't dump you again, and then you'd have to sell her bikes (again).

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    Hey TS, interesting way to route the RD cable. Is that a result of the SM having no taco?

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    That's the nicest 6 pack I've seen. How much does it weigh?

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    317's on a Pack?

    I think we have a contender for the lightest FR bike ever built. Throw a Talas36 on there and I'd say the prize is yours.

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    Nice pack! No doubt about it.....your spare parts bin blows away the components on my rigs. I can't let my wife see that or she'll realize that I put middle of the road parts on our bikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    Mandatory Whistler Spokeswoman/Gravity Camp for Barny next year.
    All the cool girls will be there .
    I agree with Airwreck. If any of the Homers' SO's mt, bike and haven't taken a bike camp before, this is the ultimate b-day present. Of course, you can't send her to Whistler on her own.....now can you, so think of this as a gift to yourself as well!

    The other women's camp that is very good is the sugoi dirt series. They have them all over the NW and even had a couple in norcal this year, but they're based out of Whistler. My gal helped out with the camp last weekend and they had a few "guest coaches" as well.

    BTW, both the spokeswomen and sugoi camps have women coaches that are extremely talented riders.....some of which are doing the Samurai of Singletrack this weekend if anyone knows what that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    Mandatory Whistler Spokeswoman/Gravity Camp for Barny next year. All the cool girls will be there
    We've looked at dates, but our summer schedules are pretty inflexible being out in the field all summer long. Maybe one of these days...

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    I sure hope she doesn't dump you again, and then you'd have to sell her bikes (again).
    Hmmmm.. dunno. I could use the extra income.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadbolt
    Looks nice, but what's with the Kotter pin?
    Actually that is the stock pad retaining device. A lot of salty wetness just tends to dissolve stuff around here. Therefore my appreciation of Turner pivots.

    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Her parts-bin build is nicer than Fo's new build!
    I would ask you to leave her parts bin out of this, but I actually have to agree that I would take her build over Faux Schnitzel's build any day, nudge-nudge, wink-wink.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    Hey TS, interesting way to route the RD cable. Is that a result of the SM having no taco?
    I did this on her Spot too. The housing flexes away from the post this way and there is no cable rub anywhere. Very clean.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s
    That's the nicest 6 pack I've seen. How much does it weigh?
    31.5# right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN
    317's on a Pack?
    Let me guess, at 130# she needs Saint cranks too? As soon as she actually damages a rim (or heck, even pinch flats) we'll go beefier. You have a lot to learn about making a woman happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    You have a lot to learn about making a woman happy.
    So smaller is actually better?

    Well then I'm gonna send back that low pressure "fork" pump that I just ordered.

    Patrick

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    So smaller is actually better?

    Well then I'm gonna send back that low pressure "fork" pump that I just ordered.

    Patrick
    Send it to Fo. He will need it for his small "Z1 Light"
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Send it to Fo. He will need it for his small "Z1 Light"
    jerk!

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    NSFW...or home, for that matter

    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Send it to Fo. He will need it for his small "Z1 Light"
    Here's a pic, if he's interested he can PM me. It's titanium, so it'll satisfy the weight-weenie in him. (What do ya' think, were there enough puns in that last sentence?)


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    Catching up again...

    Nice Ride TS... Barny's already outgrown the Spot?
    Faster is better, even when it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    Here's a pic, if he's interested he can PM me. It's titanium, so it'll satisfy the weight-weenie in him. (What do ya' think, were there enough puns in that last sentence?)

    What pressure are you using in the negative chamber?

    You are one disturbed man!!

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    Not outgrown. This is simply augmentation (to continue the rather low-brow turn this thread has taken).

    The Pack is fun to rock on the days we just climb and bomb back down, and I wanted a second bike so that I set one up as a snaux bike this winter (remember my Turner snow bike project) and one set up with studded tires for those icy days. I was going to go Flux and Spot, but then with our frequent forays to Utah, I figured a a Pack and Spot was more appropriate. She still seriously digs the Spot hugely and that will continue to be the main ride, I'm guessing.
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    Yeah???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Catching up again...

    Nice Ride TS... Barny's already outgrown the Spot?


    I thought UGI was only cotracted through male to male contact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by be350ka
    You are one disturbed man!!
    It's flippin' amazing what a google image search will bring up. That pic was pulled off ebay, if anyone else is truly interested in purchasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Look out Team Sanchez, here comes the littlest member...
    Nice rust! Barny must be stoked

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    to continue the rather low-brow turn this thread has taken.
    it's the risk you take when you post on fridays .

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    This morning's ride on the new trailbike...

    Climbing into the fog:



    Mmmmm... shiny bike:



    Starting the descent through the alpine tundra:







    Nearing the treeline:





    Too dark in the woods for any good pics. Good times, good bikes!
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    Love your work Chezzy one nice ride looks like Barny is stoked, nice to see you understand women on bikes

    The grey frame and blue CKings do look nice, sweet specc for B

    Does this mean youre gonna get those white lowers after all if ya haven't already.
    Is that a Chezzy special dual ring setup or a single?
    Just riding a muddy trail. . ..

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    "Ha-ha! She kicked your ass!" That's what a guy standing on his porch at the top of the steep, 1-block climb to our street yelled out as we crested after Barny had basically passed me like a fence post mid-hill. This was after spending most of our ride chasing after her.

    I hope you guys going to Utah have been riding. A lot.
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    She looks cramped on that bike.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Another person who knows nothing about pleasing women. Am I the only one?
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    Looks like perfect body postion

    Suspension nicely sagged looks well setup, chin at stem/headset, body postion centered over bike, elbows bent knees bent, I'd say she kicking big Cs arse on that downhill section

    Now we wana c Barny jumping that puppy

    Just riding a muddy trail. . ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    Looks like perfect body postion
    I saw that picture the first time you posted it, like 3 posts up.

    It was just an obervation.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    Why no Hopey steering damper on this bike?

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    So Barney is gonna lay the smack down huh? I've learned a few sneaky tricks over the years for those fast types, if she's kicking our arse's then we will just have to make sure and all buy her drinks the night before, or maybe some nice Slime in the tubes will do the trick, lower the psi in the tires/suspension does nicely, how about a fat rock in her pack?

    Just tell her our egos are very sensitive and everything will be fine As far as pleasing women, pffft, why in the hell do we need to do that?

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    We actually set her Pack up with the EXACT same cockpit sizing as her Spot. Both are size smalls, her Spot has a 100mm stem with a 1.25" rise bar, the Pack a 90mm stem with a 0.75" rise bar. The Pack is a bit longer and taller in front, so the shorter stem and lower bars put the grips in nearly the same position relative to the saddle that she has on the Spot. The angles on the Pack are of course different, so when she stands up the bars are closer to the cranks than on the Spot, but seated the positions are quite similar. The distance from the saddle nose to stem clamp is within 1/4" of each other on the bikes. The only noticeable difference so far is in the standover, which the Pack has less of to the tune of about 1.5", and weight which the Pack has more of- 1.5# (and of course travel ). She said it was easy getting used to the Pack with it fitting the same as the Spot.

    Here's the Spot from last winter:



    I actually have a spare Hopey sitting around, but have never put one on her bike. I don't have a good reason why not, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    We actually set her Pack up with the EXACT same cockpit sizing as her Spot.
    Should you really want the bikes set up identically given their different purposes? In other words shouldn't Packs in general be set up with higher bars and shorter cockpits?

    I'm not one to judge since I set up my full rigid, hardtail, and 4" travel bikes identically, and probably shouldn't.

    I seem to remember DT commenting on this in another thread regarding bar height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    .... and just cobbled the rest together with some junk from the parts bin.
    Junk? yeah, right.... next time you have some CK hubs lying in your junk, you might send them to me

    Nice bike. I think it should really rip trails... have a great time both of you

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    Just remember, YOU asked for it.

    I sort of talked about this above- given the same cockpit length between a Spot and Pack, the Pack will be shorter in the bb to bar distance for a rider standing up because of the shallower angles. The saddle to bar distance is good for climbing and flats, and then when the rider stands for descents, they actually move closer to the bars then they would on the Spot.

    Think of the bike as a parallelogram. The front axle is the lower right corner, the rear axle is the lower left corner, the bars are the upper right corner, the saddle is the upper left corner, and the cranks are a point along the bottom line. Now push the top edge of the parallelogram one degree to the left (basically making the head tube and seat tube angle one degree shallower). For an axle to bar or bb to saddle distance of 30", shallowing the bike's HA and SA by one degree moves the bars and saddle back relative to the wheels by over half an inch. The bb is fixed between the front and rear wheel, so the crank to bar horizontal distance also shrinks by over 0.5". This is the same as putting a 15mm shorter stem on the bike. The Pack has a 0.3" longer tt than the Spot does. The shorter bb to bar distance on the Pack more than offsets this increase though. Combine that with the fact that we put a 90mm stem on the Pack while the Spot has a 100mm, and you get a considerably shorter bb to bar distance on the Pack than on the Spot. While the effective saddle to bar distance is the same on both bikes (for comfortable climbing), the standing rider on the Pack feels a much shorter top tube length than a standing Spot rider.

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    Good explanation.

    Technically, you should put her saddle in the same position relative to the BB on either bike to keep the same pedaling position she's used to. This would effectively shorten up the cockpit of the Pack even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Next!
    I'm sure this has been posted before, but I'm gonna be a d1ck and not do search.

    I was showing my wife the pics of the nice bike that the nice lady was riding and she asked, "how tall is she?" From which I inferred the unasked question, "would that bike fit me?" and..."can I get one?" and..."when are we taking a trip to Moab so we can do 5' drops to flat with Team Sanchez?" OK, maybe I inferred a little too much.

    Regardless, I was so suprised that she took an interest in the "nice bike" I nearly fell out of my chair. Then I told my wife I don't know how tall Barney is but I'd be sure to ask. So...

    ...how tall is she?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    you should put her saddle in the same position relative to the BB on either bike to keep the same pedaling position she's used to.
    She rides a Redline SS around town. She has a Litespeed Ghisallo road bike too. I honestly have not put great effort into achieving KOPS on any of the bikes (or tried to establish a standarded deviation from KOPS). For all I know the Pack is "correct" and the Spot needs a layback post. Dunno. I have followed the same general sizing scheme on my 5-Spot and 6-Pack combo, and while I find myself on the nose of my saddle on the Pack more, this is also a function of the taller front and overall the differences suit the bikes well. I don't think there is any "right" answer here.

    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    So...

    ...how tall is she?
    She's 5' 6", shortish inseam (don't recall just now). Your wife needs one of these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    She's 5' 6", shortish inseam (don't recall just now). Your wife needs one of these.
    Oh, snap. My wife is 5'6" with a fairly long torso. Sounds like a small Turner (Spot or RFX) would fit just fine. The Spot would probably be plenty of cush for her, she's not likely to be doing drops any time soon. Although I'd love to see her push herself (and her skills) up as it seems Barney has. She's pretty adventurous, just needs some gentle "prodding" sometimes. And having the right tool underneath her would make a big difference, I'm sure (man, that sounded really bad).

    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Now push the top edge of the parallelogram one degree to the left (basically making the head tube and seat tube angle one degree shallower). For an axle to bar or bb to saddle distance of 30", shallowing the bike's HA and SA by one degree moves the bars and saddle back relative to the wheels by over half an inch.
    Interesting. This is what a lot of people try to do when moving from a standard road position to a time trial position, except in the opposite direction. They rotate everything forward around the bottom bracket by a few degrees, hence the steep STA on TT bikes.

    I've wondered if the same concept could be applied to mountain bikes, i.e. rotating everything backwards to achieve a more rearward and upright position as travel increased. Obviously horizontal cockpit length decreases when you're talking about shorter top tubes and stems, but the height should increase so the handlebar to bottom bracket distance may not be changing all that much.

    The question at this point is does one try to keep their "usual" KOP position, or allow their seat to rotate as well? I've usually tried to do the former (i.e. keeping my saddle a fixed horizontal distance behind the bottom bracket) on all my bikes, but the more I think about it, the more the other method makes sense.

    Some other really smart guys seem to hold this view as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    The Spot would probably be plenty of cush for her, she's not likely to be doing drops any time soon.
    sounds like another candidate for the whistler spokeswoman camp .
    my SO jewels was doing great with her 5 spot at whistler and fromme (see photo above).
    For slower technical riding and jumping the smaller bike has it's benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    sounds like another candidate for the whistler spokeswoman camp .
    Absolutely. I really, really want to take a trip up to Whistler. Not gonna happed this year or next (the Mrs. is making me take her to Kauai next summer...poor me), but maybe for the 2008 season. That would give us both another year and half riding experience under our belts (we've only been riding for a year).

    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    my SO jewels was doing great with her 5 spot at whistler and fromme (see photo above). For slower technical riding and jumping the smaller bike has it's benefits.
    Yeah, it seems that the Spot is pretty tough (unless you're name is Aquaholic). And our local riding has a lot of slow, rocky trail riding so a slightly lighter, more nimble bike would work well.

    It's really cool to see the ladies ripping it up. And I think it really helps when my wife sees pics or vids because then she realizes that it's not all testosterone-fueled, male-ego stuntery and that the ladies enjoy the rush just as much. Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    Absolutely. I really, really want to take a trip up to Whistler. Not gonna happed this year or next (the Mrs. is making me take her to Kauai next summer...poor me), but maybe for the 2008 season. That would give us both another year and half riding experience under our belts (we've only been riding for a year).
    Not to beat a dead horse and continue to pimp the "other" whistler camp, but the Sugoi Dirt Series camps rock as well, plus they have 2 coed camps each summer.....so, that's something couples can do together.

    For the coed camps, they bring some male coaches in that are "ok"......like Andreas Hestler, Wade Simmons, etc. My gal just coached at the coed camp 2 weeks ago and got to ride with those guys. I seperately heard from a guy (Ro.nin) that took it upon my recommendation and he said it was ~60/40 women and learned a ton from it. From what I know of the various camps up there, I'd personally take one of these before I took a Schley or Shandro camp....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    And I think it really helps when my wife sees pics or vids because then she realizes that it's not all testosterone-fueled, male-ego stuntery and that the ladies enjoy the rush just as much. Good stuff.
    Yep, Barny sees the recent requests for huck shots and says, "yeah, right." Gentlemen, Barny can ride her bike any damn way she pleases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    Not to beat a dead horse and continue to pimp the "other" whistler camp, but the Sugoi Dirt Series camps rock as well, plus they have 2 coed camps each summer.....so, that's something couples can do together.

    For the coed camps, they bring some male coaches in that are "ok"......like Andreas Hestler, Wade Simmons, etc. My gal just coached at the coed camp 2 weeks ago and got to ride with those guys. I seperately heard from a guy (Ro.nin) that took it upon my recommendation and he said it was ~60/40 women and learned a ton from it. From what I know of the various camps up there, I'd personally take one of these before I took a Schley or Shandro camp....

    Cheers,
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    My SO cbharping did the Dirt Series camp in Santa Cruz and then did the Spokeswomen in Whistler. I think she preferred the Dirt Series from a coaching standpoint, as she got instruction from a number of different coaches (including April Lawyer and Lisa Sher). I've done the Shandro camp for the last two years. It's perhaps not as "instructional" as the Dirt Series/Spokeswomen, but there is a lot more riding since it is six days as opposed to two. Not to say I didn't get a lot of good coaching. I was fortunate enough to ride a few days with both Mike Jones and Katrina Strand, both of whom are excellent coaches and really helped take my riding to a higher level.

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    Your front wheel is laced backwards in comparison to the rear.

    1 point deduction. Therefore i give it a 99.
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    The front is optimally laced to deal with braking forces, the rear for drivetrain forces.

    +1 point for laying the smack-down on Krispy.
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    Does she throw down more power than her maguras do?

    If you lace the rear like the front the chain may not be as likely to suck into the spokes toward the flange as far if for some horrible reason the chain went up there as a result of a bent hanger.(in theory of course!)

    The Mavic guy was just in here saying how we're about the only place in his terratory(rockies) that still buys lots of rims. It's all about pre builts blah blah... Cheers to a guy who cares about lacing up wheels (still).

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    Quote Originally Posted by krispy@go-ride.com
    Does she throw down more power than her maguras do?
    Judging by the fact that she sometimes seems to climb faster than she descends, I guess the answer would be "yes".
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