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    Forks 140mm travel, 20mm thru-axel, coil spring...

    Aside from the Pike, which from what I understand, is way too linear, does such a fork exist?

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    What is wrong with linear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    does such a fork exist?
    yes it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    yes it does.

    Alright smartass.

    Name it.

    It's some frankenfork, ain't it. Which I guess isn't a problem, as I'm spending whatever I want on the new Spot, but it's gotta last for five years with minimum uprgades (per the SO, gotta get through schoolin' before I get another new bike).
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    What is wrong with linear?
    Hard bottom out off of minimal drops.

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    i lied. i just went to pull up a link and found the info has changed from the teaser to the product spec. sorry pal.
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    what's wrong with air?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLine
    what's wrong with air?
    I spend a metric assload (technical term) of time in the deep backcountry. Sometimes 30 or more miles form the nearest road.

    While I realize that air is quite reliable as of late, I also know that I can always ride out of the woods on a coil spring, even if my damper take a dump.

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    Saw a guy in the first mile of the Leadville 100 doing bunny hops on his Stumpjumper blow his rear shock. KLANG - right down to the end of the piston. I don't know how far he got, but he kept riding for a while.

    If an air shock goes, you can ride it - it aint good, but you can get home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    Hard bottom out off of minimal drops.
    Really? Sounds like a setup problem to me.

    I guess my experience has been different.

    Linear: Nice sag with no hard ramp up.
    Progressive: Too much sag or ramps up so fast, you feel like you bottom out and never get all the travel.

    Seems in the past, everyone wanted linear....I guess in the last year the trend has changed-- everyone wants progressive???

    I suppose if all you do is 6 foot drops from smooth, that might make sense....

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    D-Line, did you do the Leadville 100 on the Burner? How far did you get?
    Forward progress by Brute Force and Bloody Ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    Hard bottom out off of minimal drops.
    Easily fixed with a few changes --

    1) Better dropping technique. Use your rear suspension more, and supplement it with your ankles & knees & elbows. Pretty soon you'll see that the fork really isn't what you use on drops, it's your body and the rear suspension.

    2) Fewer drops to flat. Even with the above technique changes, drops to flat are just plain dumb anyway.

    On the suspension question of linear vs progressive, IMO linear is way better for control. But you have to ride a bit smoother and smarter to see why that is.

    I just got back from a primo ride on my 6-Pack which has the "horribly linear" 36 VAN on the front. I did a 2.5 hr climb to the area's primo DH run. Despite my doing some pretty sharp drops and hauling tuchus through some choppy terrain, I didn't even come close to bottoming it out, and I've got the light weight spring in it under my 165 lbs. I used up to 5.25" of the full travel but didn't bottom it out. If an old geezer like me can manage that, you can too.

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    Sounds a lot like Gonzo/article48's setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    Aside from the Pike, which from what I understand, is way too linear, does such a fork exist?
    Find an 06 Z1 Light ETA or make a frankenfork.
    Nothing to see here.

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    Too bad you don't trust Air forks... the Pike Dual Air is really good not too linear even under my lard arse and easy to setup and adjust. I was a coil-only person but the 454-DA and 66SL have changed my mind.
    Faster is better, even when it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox
    D-Line, did you do the Leadville 100 on the Burner? How far did you get?
    5 Spot. Got all the way in 10:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Sounds a lot like Gonzo/article48's setup.
    I suppose you thought you were making some kind of valuable point or observation there. Nice work, genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    I spend a metric assload (technical term) of time in the deep backcountry. Sometimes 30 or more miles form the nearest road.

    While I realize that air is quite reliable as of late, I also know that I can always ride out of the woods on a coil spring, even if my damper take a dump.

    coil springs break too. Just ask my friend Scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLine
    5 Spot. Got all the way in 10:15.
    Schweet! Thats a brutal race from what I hear. Some of us are toying with the idea of doing the Leadville 100 next year but I may be hanging up my racing boots...and turning the Burner in to Dave for an RFX instead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanedawg
    coil springs break too. Just ask my friend Scott.

    OK

    I'm on it.

    Got any contact info?

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    sort of . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    Aside from the Pike, which from what I understand, is way too linear, does such a fork exist?

    How about a Lefty 140? Carbon fiber and even a Ti spring if your wanted. Sort of thru axle.
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    And SPV! Gotta love the antithesis to damping taking priority!

    I know how great the Lefty forks are. Unfortunately, I'll be tearing into one for a servicing and to reset the bearings. I wonder what surprises I'll find once inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    Aside from the Pike, which from what I understand, is way too linear, does such a fork exist?
    Nonsense.
    I used a coil Pike for a year and rarely bottomed it. Just get the correct spring and make sure oil levels are to spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Speeder
    OK

    I'm on it.

    Got any contact info?
    He snapped a marz 888 spring in half on mt seymour this summer. I have no idea how in th ehell we did it, but were suspecting it was the front wheel case into a gap jump on one of the trails up there called Salvation. It started bouncing around inside the stanchion for the rest of the dh. Nut that he is he kept riding on it down the rest of the double blacks on the mountain. One side was still supporting his weight which would be similar to an air spring fork that blew one seal.

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    He wouldn't have broken that coil if he was running air on that side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanedawg
    He snapped a marz 888 spring in half on mt seymour this summer. I have no idea how in th ehell we did it, but were suspecting it was the front wheel case into a gap jump on one of the trails up there called Salvation. It started bouncing around inside the stanchion for the rest of the dh. Nut that he is he kept riding on it down the rest of the double blacks on the mountain. One side was still supporting his weight which would be similar to an air spring fork that blew one seal.
    The gap jump to wall ride by chance?
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    how about one of you DIY guys getting on something like this?

    what about taking the whole coil side topcap off..... (talking of a pike or other newer rs coil forks)

    and adding a schraeder valve (or some other type of air valve?) in under the adjuster cap somehow? drill in and tap at an angle, thread one in with some jb-weld on the threads.

    you'd have to figure out a way to have it be accessable, yet not interfere with the u-turn cap or internals. then run a lighter spring, and use air preload to do the rest. or maybe some way to use an air u-turn cap, and modify it to work with the coil stack?

    if it doesn't work/screws up the part, a replacement coil stack isn't too much money to replace.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=241175
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    Holy Crap!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    How about a Lefty 140? Carbon fiber and even a Ti spring if your wanted. Sort of thru axle.
    Your bike is aberration to the invention of cyclism. Lefty on a turner? That is the worst picture I have ever seen in my life!!!!!!!!!!! I am offended.
    Sit and spin my ass...

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