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    ... and if we just ... First ride on my RFX! (long)

    Well, it showed up last week, build took a few days as I waited for the romic to show up, figure out a new hose for my rear brake and bleed it (the old one was too short, and shimano has changed their fittings.... ) Anyway I completed the build saturday night and hit a quick urban assault. My first impression was amazement at how well it climbed. With ETA on the fork and the romic, you really can climb out of the saddle as much as you like. That and, the staircase at my neighborhood school has never been so much fun!

    Sunday ended up being a 4.5 hour ride on mostly flat, twisty, rocky and horse-choppy local trails. I was curious about the frame and also my riding; I've been off the bike for most of the winter after a really bad hamstring tear.

    I was in for a treat! My leg felt fine, My fitness was as good or bad as ever, and the added weight was absolutely not a factor. maybe it was the new bike, or not having been riding for a while, but anyway it all came together for a really good time. I can't say enough about the frame- amazingly plush, especially as the bushings started to break in after a few hours, and it climbed awesome. I was having fun keeping up with goatboy on his Ti / Talus Hardtail on teh climbs. The fit is perfect. Handling was also inspirational. I really appreciated the steeper seat tube, which I think helps the bike pedal better compared to my old choppered out, long travel switchblade.

    I built the bike up with my Z1 FR and the stock 6" rockers. It felt perfect for the mostly flat/rolly trails we rode yesterday, but I could tell that the rear is really going to overshadow the front on steep descents. The Z1 will be perfect for spring riding, but as soon as the snow melts off and we start bagging longer & steeper descents, I'll think I'll want a Z-150 or similar for a more balanced feel.

    Didn't come across any big drops or stunts; just as well as I'd like to give my hammy a few more weeks before I start pushing it. This bike is really confidence inspiring though, I can tell it's going to help me become a more skilled rider. I can see it's going to take some time to get used to pre-loading the romic for jumps etc.

    What else....
    Well, I did drop my chain once, in between the pivot and granny gear, it wasn't pretty. We were rolling through some pretty deep cack though, so it couldn't really be avoided. I think I will investigate some sort of chain guide, since I got those ISCG mounts, might as well use 'em!
    The stickers are already peeling pretty bad. I don't really care too much, it's the ride I'm after, not the looks... Hopefully turner will be cool about sending me some new ones at some point.

    I'll try and get pictures up tonight...

    Thanks to all of you that helped steer me through my decision to buy the RFX. I can tell this is going to be the perfect bike for me!

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    I've had the chain suck thing a few times myself, the power link comes in handy for extraction. I'm running a 8sp chain and wondered if 9sp chain is easier to get out. It just got me thinking that putting some allen head bolts in those chain guide holes might be a good idea to help keep the chain out of there.

    My current build is now running 37.5lbs, I think that's about as light as it's going to get in 6 inch mode.

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    yeah I was thinking the same thing. I don't really want to go to a full chainguide set up, but I was thinking of maybe trying to craft a little ramp and bolt it on like you said, almost like the e-type f. der has. Just something to keep the chain from getting wedged down there.

    I have some tin snips and old ductwork at my house, maybe I'll give it a go tonight!

    I haven't weight mine... I know my titus was about 30 lbs... the frame was 3 lbs lighter.. so I'm guessing 33lbs. I plan to add a Z150 and 8" front rotor, that'll probably bump me up to 35-36 lbs. It doesn't matter really though. The weight is a non issue on a bike that pedals so great. I couldn't believe you can actually climb out of the saddle on rough terrain, no bob, and the romic keeps full traction even on loose rocky soil. Couldn't do that on my 30 lb titus!

    I figured you'd be interested about the Z1. It rides great, but doesn't feel totally balanced when descending. My friends rode it and agreed. everywhere else it was great. I think the Z150 will be a better match for the 6" rockers....

    what a frickin great bike though! Wow.


    Quote Originally Posted by EricH.
    I've had the chain suck thing a few times myself, the power link comes in handy for extraction. I'm running a 8sp chain and wondered if 9sp chain is easier to get out. It just got me thinking that putting some allen head bolts in those chain guide holes might be a good idea to help keep the chain out of there.

    My current build is now running 37.5lbs, I think that's about as light as it's going to get in 6 inch mode.

    Eric/airwreck

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    Chain guide: get a Heim 3. It is a very simple roller which mounts behind the drive side bb cup, but you could also drill holes in it to mount straight to the IS tabs. They only weigh about 3oz. Anyone should be able to order if for you.

    <img src="https://go-ride.com/guides2ring/heim1.jpg">

    As far as chainsuck goes, what rings are you running? I had periodic chain suck on my XCE back with my XTR rings and various chains. I switched to RaceFace rings and have had one single episode of chain suck in about the last year and a half. I highly recommend the RF rings with a new Sram chain. That combo is the ticket.

    Great writeup. It wouldn't surprise me if you grew into the Z1 on there. New bikes make little things stand out when compared to the way your old rig handled. In a few weeks you will be used to the HA and steering and probably like the non-choppered ride. Of course having both forks as an option would be damn enviable too.

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    Thanks Tscheezy. So, I can use that with a triple or double crankset? Sacriledge I know- I still prefer to ride with a big chainring.

    I have a new sram pc89, and raceface rings with a shimano steel granny. (They're about one season old.) We ride in mud almost constantly from oct through may (I'm sure you can relate) so even new stuff doesn't work well after a few hours of muddy going.... I'm hoping to beat a few more paychecks out of those rings then just buy a whole new crankset.

    Off to research the heim guide...



    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Chain guide: get a Heim 3. It is a very simple roller which mounts behind the drive side bb cup, but you could also drill holes in it to mount straight to the IS tabs. They only weigh about 3oz. Anyone should be able to order if for you.



    As far as chainsuck goes, what rings are you running? I had periodic chain suck on my XCE back with my XTR rings and various chains. I switched to RaceFace rings and have had one single episode of chain suck in about the last year and a half. I highly recommend the RF rings with a new Sram chain. That combo is the ticket.

    Great writeup. It wouldn't surprise me if you grew into the Z1 on there. New bikes make little things stand out when compared to the way your old rig handled. In a few weeks you will be used to the HA and steering and probably like the non-choppered ride. Of course having both forks as an option would be damn enviable too.

    See ya,
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    ..........another guide option would be the E13/ Evil DRS or 3RS depending on how many rings you run. They are a great setup & work without mishap once properly dialed. The Drs could also be run without the Bashplate if weigfht is really an issue, but as far as I am concerned it is totally worth it...IMHO.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Thanks Tscheezy. So, I can use that with a triple or double crankset?

    I have a new sram pc89, and raceface rings with a shimano steel granny. (They're about one season old.).
    The Heim can be run with 2 or 3 rings. It uses a tapered roller which causes the chain to slip to the outside so it directs the chain onto the ring rather than have it fall to a smaller ring when backpedaling. They get great reviews here. Read them. Go-Ride lists them and I'm sure any QBP distributor can lay their mitts on one.

    Sounds like you are in the need of a new set of rings and chain. I am pretty conscious of replacing my drivetrain when my Park Chainchecker indicates I'm entering the danger zone. I HATE CHAIN SUCK. I get a new RF middle and granny and a new PC-89 or 99 chain every 6 months or so, and a new cassette annually.

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    Wow, thats funny- I have the opposite routine! I put a new chain on every 3-4 months, a new cassette every 6 months or so, and new chainrings every year. On the 9 speed I find that the larger cogs bend long before the teeth are worn out. Sometimes I bend them back, but once they get bent, they're never the same.... Anyways I am probably due for new rings.

    new rings and/or a chain guide seem like like a small price to pay for protecting my investment, especially after seeing what my 1 year old switchblade looks like without the parts on it....

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    I don't get "cassettesuck", and seeing as how the wear is distributed cross 3 times as many cogs, I don't worry as much about the cassette. I have a Rohloff HG cog wear checker which tends to reinforce my theory. I generally use 5-arm spider cassettes like XT and never have bent a cog, so that has not been a reason for me to replace one either. I used to try to stretch my drivetrains well beyond their reasonable lifespans, but it just brings on a host of troubles so now I am pretty conservative in that area. It is interesting to note that I now get far less chainsuck on my Turners than I ever had on any of my previous bikes despite the fact that people cling to the urban myth that Turners are more susceptible to chainsuck than other bikes.

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    yeah, I just find the cogs on those 9-spd cassettes bend, even the XT's, then the chain won't stay in that cog unless you bend it back. I have yet to truly wear out a 9-speed cassette, but I've had a few that have bent after only a few rides... Man I miss 8-speed sometimes!

    I'm gonna look at those ISCG mounts tonight.... If I could fabricate something that would just keep the chain from getting wedged in between the pivot and granny, that'd solve most of the problem. Cause actually I don't really have bad chain suck problems... I just want to protect my frame when I do have the occasional chain problems in extra muddy conditions.

    Are you riding one of these heim thingies?

    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    I don't get "cassettesuck", and seeing as how the wear is distributed cross 3 times as many cogs, I don't worry as much about the cassette. I have a Rohloff HG cog wear checker which tends to reinforce my theory. I generally use 5-arm spider cassettes like XT and never have bent a cog, so that has not been a reason for me to replace one either. I used to try to stretch my drivetrains well beyond their reasonable lifespans, but it just brings on a host of troubles so now I am pretty conservative in that area. It is interesting to note that I now get far less chainsuck on my Turners than I ever had on any of my previous bikes despite the fact that people cling to the urban myth that Turners are more susceptible to chainsuck than other bikes.

    tscheezy

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Are you riding one of these heim thingies?
    No. I was looking at one recently, but then it seemed sort of pointless since I never drop my chain and adding useless new danglies to the bike is something you have to fight against continuously. They are highly rated and have a nice light and minimalist design.

    I missed 8 speed mainly for the shifting precision. Now with the Sram X.9s I don't whine about that much any more. As far as bent cogs go, you don't cross-chain, do you? I really can't see how a cog would bend if loaded straight on...

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    Do I see a little remodeling there in the background? Ya, I know I’m a sick sick man. There’s a beautiful Turner in the foreground and all I can see is the bright orange 5 gallon Home Depot bucket in the background, followed by an in-depth study of the consistency of your sheetrock joints which sets off a whole chain of emotions that leaves me balled up in the corner sucking my thumb. I could write the book of "Remodeling Gone Bad" and "Top Ten Reason to Invest in a Moneypit" and "How to turn the month long remodeling project into your life's pursuit thus destroying any hope of joy and happiness."

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    Ho, doggy, nice setup! I will never get tired of looking at RFXs. A frame for life.

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    Yes, always remodelling! Finishing our basement, which involved putting in a bathroom, removing a load-bearing wall, new lighting and electrical, moving ductwork, and finally sheet rocking. Just need to paint and do pergo floors and it's done. Total cost, $4600. The RFX was sort of my treat to myself for finishing, on time and under budget!!


    Speaking of which, last night after chipping up asbestos tiles for a while, I cut up a j-box and played around with fabricating some sort of home-made anti-chain drop plate. I made two and both came out pretty good, but I'll have to use pan-head fasteners in order to clear the granny gear bolts. Fabricating them was pretty easy. I'll post pictures if/when I get them working.


    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    Do I see a little remodeling there in the background? Ya, I know Iím a sick sick man. Thereís a beautiful Turner in the foreground and all I can see is the bright orange 5 gallon Home Depot bucket in the background, followed by an in-depth study of the consistency of your sheetrock joints which sets off a whole chain of emotions that leaves me balled up in the corner sucking my thumb. I could write the book of "Remodeling Gone Bad" and "Top Ten Reason to Invest in a Moneypit" and "How to turn the month long remodeling project into your life's pursuit thus destroying any hope of joy and happiness."

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