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    best high speed shock for 5 spot

    which rear shock is best for high speed rocky terain?This is for my 5 spot,I own the dhx air now, is the dhx coil any better, or is the new vanilla for 07 any good for that type rideing.THANKS

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    The DHX coil is very good for rocky terrain but tends to get spiky at speed an hard hits... I hear Push works some major magic and brings it to "holy-Spit" performance.

    There's also the Avalanch chubbie which I hear is beyond superb and is also geared for kicking arse.
    I don't think I've seen a direct comparison between the P-DHX-C and the Chubby w/ h/l compression adjuster.
    There's also the Cane Creek Double Barrel... a bevy of independant settings to allow you to get exactly what you want and folks who have it swear by it.

    All three options are quite expensive but everyone who's tried them say each is worth it.
    I can't compare the performance but here's something to differentiate the three:
    P-DHX-c: Darren will set it up exactaly how you want/need it. It will be tweaked and tuned and optomized in every way with custom parts to get the most out of it. You won't have much fiddling to do once you get it, almost bolt and go.

    Avalanche Chubbie: Avy will also set it up for optimum performance for your needs, very little tweaking will be needed by you but you can get the high/low speed adjusters with it and play if you wish.

    CCDB: More adjustments than a electronic porno couch. (not that I'd know anything about that) you will have to be patient, logical and methodical in setting it up but you'll be rewarded with the performance

    All three are said to move a lot of oil and give a very satisfying squish and superb damping compared to stock shocks. None are cheap. Not much info available comparing the three, but the owners gush about all of them.
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    Wow.

    I haul ass on a 5-Spot with DHX-Air. No problems. Absolutely no problems. And tough terrain, too. None of that Pansybike.com stuff.

    If you want to see problems to justify an "upgrade," you'll find them. Even if they don't exist.

    If you weight 200lbs or more, DHX Coil might be what you need. Either that or a trip to NoMoreDonuts.com

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    The DHX Coil is FAR better than the DHX air when talking about fast repetative hits. The DHX coil is not perfection, but it's a big step forward compared to the air. The DHX air blows through it's travel and doesn't leave enough travel for the next bump, causing it to feel harsh at high speed (even though it feels extremely plush at mid and slow speeds). The DHX coil is far more consistant.
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    Yeah, you say that now Jayem. Now that you've taken your week-long stay at NoMoreDonuts.com to get that buddha belly under control. But since you've shed all that weight, you should try the DHX-Air again. For those of us who don't nudge up against the category of Politely Pudgy, it works very well, even on repeat hits in rocky terrain.

    But maybe that's just those of us who have a bit of skill, a deft touch, and a fine eye for smooth lines.

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    only high speed terrain?

    Quote Originally Posted by it hurts
    which rear shock is best for high speed rocky terain?This is for my 5 spot,I own the dhx air now, is the dhx coil any better, or is the new vanilla for 07 any good for that type rideing.THANKS
    Just curious if you ride a fair amount of slow speed terrain where some mid stroke control is nice to have. Or is high speed performance by far the most important need you have from a rear shock?
    I have just finished doing a test of a few shocks on my Spot. Did the same test last year with the shorter travel rockers, the difference now is that i am running the 07 rockers with 5.5 travel. The results are the same now as then. The DHX air beat them all. Second was.......the Romic? Third was a tough one between the RP3 with a dhx air sleeve and the DHX-coil. Maybe the RP3 3rd. because the dhx-c just had enough mid stroke harshness to bother me too much. Last was the Vanilla RC.
    None of the shocks were PUSHed or any other hop up valving, but rather stock shocks basically. The terrain varied greatly from slow speed steps and rolling rocks+ ledges, to high speed chop, with a lot of variations in between. So an all arounder was important.

    The vanilla flat out beat them all at just purely high speed chop, but also lost big on the slow speed stuff where some mid stroke control was a huge benefit to have in helping keep the front and rear more level or balanced and not pitching fore and aft in turns.
    The dhx-air has the widest range of adjustment, but a PUSHed dhx-c or Vanilla RC might be your calling. Its hard to beat a custom valved shock just for you.
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    the pain

    Im not fat! I have Rheumatoid Arthritis,and I have already lost my Hip to this Disease my hands and feet and neck hurt like hell after every ride.My thought was to try to smooth out the ride so my bones wouldn't hurt so much after each ride.
    I ride in Santa Cruz, here you ride to the top then it's a fast downhill to the car .

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    Quote Originally Posted by it hurts
    Im not fat! I have Rheumatoid Arthritis,and I have already lost my Hip to this Disease my hands and feet and neck hurt like hell after every ride.My thought was to try to smooth out the ride so my bones wouldn't hurt so much after each ride.
    I ride in Santa Cruz, here you ride to the top then it's a fast downhill to the car .
    Sorry to hear about your condition, it must suck at times.
    I'll try a little more help. As far as the neck goes, maybe some saddle,seatpost, stem, bar adjustment might help?
    I have ridden demo forest before, a few times no more recent than 2 years ago?, maybe 3 years now. Anyways, I did not feel that a coil shock was really a must riding up there with a 5 Spot then, but that is all I have ridden in SC. Might be different there now a few years later.

    Another thought, still keeping it light yet having a responsive feel to fast small bumps can be had on an RP23, which can be PUSHed to boot. Maybe send PUSH an e-mail and see what they think about your situation and how well they can get a PUSHed RP23 to work for you. Good tuning can possibly help in special situations like yours.

    My case is not as bad as yours by any means, but i have had in the past very bad hands, sore and numb after every ride, this year less so. The air shocks and forks work just as well for me vs. coil once they are tuned and maintained correctly.
    Add to that: I have noticed just recently, considering I am just under 7 months past having a badly broken leg and surgery, I am not fully healed yet, but on most trails i am decending just as fast as I did one year ago. Quality suspension components and good tuning does go a long way.
    Ask PUSH what they can do for you to just get more insight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC
    The DHX air beat them all. Second was.......the Romic? Third was a tough one between the RP3 with a dhx air sleeve and the DHX-coil.
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    What was the difference between the romic and the DHX A?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    Yeah, you say that now Jayem. Now that you've taken your week-long stay at NoMoreDonuts.com to get that buddha belly under control. But since you've shed all that weight, you should try the DHX-Air again. For those of us who don't nudge up against the category of Politely Pudgy, it works very well, even on repeat hits in rocky terrain.

    But maybe that's just those of us who have a bit of skill, a deft touch, and a fine eye for smooth lines.
    Given the fact that the DHX Air damper piston lacks mid-stroke support and is different than the DHX Coil, I don't think it's just me.
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    My huny is the princess of plush and when there are rocks on the menu it is Ti sprung Romic only.
    I have a Van R on her bike right now that she has not tried yet as that seems to be the next 'plushest' shock on the market. I do not know when we will get a chance to have her test the Van R against the Romic, all new school shocks she has tried have more compression effect than the Romic, and the old Fox Vanilla's had even less, if you can find one of those that would work too and probably easier to get a rebuild on.

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    Pony up for the CCDB. First, it comes adjusted for the bike you tell them it will be mounted on. Second, if you're having a tougher than normal day, it is very easy to just say F it, I'm going uber-plush today, pedaling efficiency be durned. Third, if you're having a great day, it's just as easy to go the other way.

    My one beef when I got this shock is that you can't twiddle the settings on the fly. Turns out, once it is dialed in, you really don't need to, though I still wish I could crank the low speed compression adjuster for the rare road section.

    My throttle twisting Ohlins (CCDB developeer) background was what steered me towards the shock, and I have not been disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich9000
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    What was the difference between the romic and the DHX A?

    Cheers,

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    On the slower stuff where some compression damping is good, the dhx-a did better with some PP turned up, then when you hit a little faster stuff it blows open and is plush. The Romic did equally good on slow speed, but got harsh on higher speed stuff unless you backed off the compression. The Romic compression is much firmer the entire stroke. I think with the Romic a few clicks of compression goes a long way where with the dhx-a it does not have as much effect til you get late in the compression clicker range. For pure decending, square edge and high speed, I really like them both equally. On trails where you have both slow speed ledges and rock rolling, the dhx-a can be left alone and will do excellent on both, with the Romic you need to find a good happy medium or you will be messing with the compression dial more. Big hit.....dhx-a wins due to the ability to dial in bottom out.
    Now, if you only ran both shocks wide open compression all the time, it becomes tough to pick one over the other.
    With both shocks using a decent amount of compression, If you spend a lot of time in the saddle rolling through dips and woops, then the Romic does a little better with more mid stroke support, if you have a little square edged chop thrown in, then the Romic falls off fast with too much compression turned up. However the RP3 did the best of all shocks in slow speed.
    If the terrain is crazy like successive chop, like every inch theres chop and rough, then coil tends to start pulling out front, but not buy leaps and bounds. The dhx-a ia a great riding shock and weighs less than a coil.
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    DGC knows the real scoop here it seems. My experience with the DHX-Air is the same as DGC's. It seems nobody whined about the lack of mid-stroke control until someone at PUSH mentioned that as something that could/should be tuned on the DHX-Air. But maybe I missed all the whining and complaining. All I know is that the DHX-Air works a treat for me, in all conditions and all speeds on the 5-Spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    It seems nobody whined about the lack of mid-stroke control until someone at PUSH mentioned that as something that could/should be tuned on the DHX-Air.
    Yes, except for those of us that tried it back to back on the same bike with the coil.
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    Jayem, you're on the NoMoreDonuts.com squad, so your comments apply to those folks who are in that weight range. Not the rest of us who are of average weight and within the normal average MTB rider weight (150-180 lbs).

    Besides, anyone who reads your opinions in here and on RideMonkey.com knows that whenever Jayem says something, it is absolutely true for everyone everywhere every time. Or something like that. So I'll grant you that your opinions hold true for you. That works for me.

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    I think the DHX5a is wretched.

    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    DGC knows the real scoop here it seems. My experience with the DHX-Air is the same as DGC's. It seems nobody whined about the lack of mid-stroke control until someone at PUSH mentioned that as something that could/should be tuned on the DHX-Air. But maybe I missed all the whining and complaining. All I know is that the DHX-Air works a treat for me, in all conditions and all speeds on the 5-Spot.

    I rode my bike w/ a romic and it's a much better shock. I vastly prefer the RP3 to the DHX air as well. I've tuned this shock every way that I can and it always seems to wallow. I'm trying to get rid of it and but an RP3/23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    Besides, anyone who reads your opinions in here and on RideMonkey.com knows that whenever Jayem says something, it is absolutely true for everyone everywhere every time. Or something like that. So I'll grant you that your opinions hold true for you. That works for me.
    I'm sorry you're slow, but a definite difference in the design of the damper between two shocks is going to mean a definite difference in performance. It's not like I woke up one day and decided this, my buddy tried it first, I tried it, I asked DT about it at one point on the phone(about why which bikes get which shocks), and so on. I realize that the blue stickers and annodized parts make the shocks look similer, but they are different and they perform very differently. You should stop worrying about how much your bike weighs and put a decent coil shock on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    I'm sorry you're slow, but a definite difference in the design of the damper between two shocks is going to mean a definite difference in performance. It's not like I woke up one day and decided this, my buddy tried it first, I tried it, I asked DT about it at one point on the phone(about why which bikes get which shocks), and so on. I realize that the blue stickers and annodized parts make the shocks look similer, but they are different and they perform very differently. You should stop worrying about how much your bike weighs and put a decent coil shock on there.
    ...agreed. The DHXa is adequate at best. If someone can't differentiate the performance they either couldn't tell the difference anyhow, or they haven't ridden a decent performing damper. Of course, this is relative to your damper needs, obviously...but since this thread is in regards to high speed performance.......sorry, the DHXa is certainly subpar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    the DHXa is certainly subpar.
    But has a long way to fall to sink to Swinger 3-Way air level.

    Anyway, you guys are funny. You act like every individual unit of shock X from Manufacturer Y is the same. I have ridden a pile of RP3s, DHXs, you name it, and the variation within one particular model is arguably as big as the variation between models. RP3s are the least consistent of all the shocks I have tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Anyway, you guys are funny. You act like every individual unit of shock X from Manufacturer Y is the same. I have ridden a pile of RP3s, DHXs, you name it, and the variation within one particular model is arguably as big as the variation between models.
    ..I'm assuming, in spite of the fact that you're quoting my post, that your comments are not focused at my experience...per se. I have certainly run a plethora of rear dampers on both the spot & the current rfx (the only comparisons relative to the discussion would be those installed on a similar suspension w/ similar specs)....to include what is arguably the best (IMHO) candidate....Avalanche (chubie). My current DHXa, is the third attempt by Fox (3rd replacement) to provide an acceptable performing shock.

    Although I am inclined to agree with your assessment with regards to the veritable inconsistent performance between samples within a certain model...I can honestly state that the DHXa just does NOT get it done for ME. Yes, I am a heavier rider....I have tried the larger can, smaller can.. along with every conceivable combination of adjustment....it is just flat lacking at high speeds...particularly (again, the topic of this thread).


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    Go to Turner, buy a DHXc and be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
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    Although I am inclined to agree with your assessment with regards to the veritable inconsistent performance between samples within a certain model...I can honestly state that the DHXa just does NOT get it done for ME. Yes, I am a heavier rider....I have tried the larger can, smaller can.. along with every conceivable combination of adjustment....it is just flat lacking at high speeds...particularly (again, the topic of this thread).
    I don't know why I am even getting into this debacle but here is my take. I too am a heavier rider (but 10lbs less than 4 weeks ago).

    I like my DHX-A . It works well for the majority of my local terrain. It has never stuck down or given me any other problem, as TS mentioned the reliability and performance seems to vary widely even within a model range.

    I have ridden my Pack with the DHX-c and the Avy Chubbie (stock valving). I have taken short rides on a RFX with the CCDB but not enough saddle time to comment on it. The DHX-c seemed harsh on the square edged and slow speed techie stuff. My DHX-a shines in that terrain, which I assume is due to the lack of mid-stroke damping. The Avy was excellent in that arena also. High speed descents the Fox coil and Avy have the edge IMO, but at the cost of about a pound of added weight. As far as bigger drops go, I have had no problems with the Air. The avy was just slightly more controlling and the Fox coil I still find to be more harsh.

    Maybe you can see where I'm going...I found the Avy to be the best all around performer but only slightly ahead of my DHX-A for local terrain. I'm sure a custom valved Avy would give it even more of an edge as would a custom valved Fox coil, I presume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    But has a long way to fall to sink to Swinger 3-Way air level.

    Anyway, you guys are funny. You act like every individual unit of shock X from Manufacturer Y is the same. I have ridden a pile of RP3s, DHXs, you name it, and the variation within one particular model is arguably as big as the variation between models. RP3s are the least consistent of all the shocks I have tried.

    Well I must have gotten the bottom of the bell curve RP3; mine is absolute shite. DHXc is so far above the RP3, it feels like I am on an entirely different bike.

    I wish there were a way to test the air vs coil back to back to see for myself. The weight savings would certainly be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    I'm sorry you're slow, but a definite difference in the design of the damper between two shocks is going to mean a definite difference in performance. It's not like I woke up one day and decided this, my buddy tried it first, I tried it, I asked DT about it at one point on the phone(about why which bikes get which shocks), and so on. I realize that the blue stickers and annodized parts make the shocks look similer, but they are different and they perform very differently. You should stop worrying about how much your bike weighs and put a decent coil shock on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    Goo goo goo, little Jimmyboy drools all over his keyboard.

    Dude, if I'm "slow," you're in reverse.

    Don't you have a paper airplane to fly or something, Pilot Boy? Or maybe a Boxxer thread to drop in on to proclaim your Master Wizardry at Deflating Boxxer Owner Egos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightySchmoePong
    I rode my bike w/ a romic and it's a much better shock. I vastly prefer the RP3 to the DHX air as well. I've tuned this shock every way that I can and it always seems to wallow. I'm trying to get rid of it and but an RP3/23.

    Dave
    "Wallow" -- the suspension ignoramus's new term for this decade. Last decade it was "bob."

    When your bike has full suspension, the rear suspension will spend most of its time in the midrange unless you have perfect technique and pedal perfect cadence with perfect circles, or unless you are in hyper-choppy terrain.

    "Wallow" is the new "bob."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    I don't know why I am even getting into this debacle but here is my take. I too am a heavier rider (but 10lbs less than 4 weeks ago).

    High speed descents the Fox coil and Avy have the edge IMO


    Quote Originally Posted by it hurts
    which rear shock is best for high speed rocky terain?
    Sounds like the choice is clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
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    Look, I know that the "Chicken" family adopted you, but you can admit now that your birth parents were named "Off." It's okay, really. Come on out of that closet, ladyboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    "Wallow" -- the suspension ignoramus's new term for this decade. Last decade it was "bob."

    When your bike has full suspension, the rear suspension will spend most of its time in the midrange unless
    it's too linear and it blows through too much travel on small hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    Look, I know that the "Chicken" family adopted you, but you can admit now that your birth parents were named "Off." It's okay, really. Come on out of that closet, ladyboy.
    Could the real Gonzostrike please stand up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    it's too linear and it blows through too much travel on small hits.
    For you.

    You can imagine that I ride slower or more nancyboy than you, but the truth is that's highly unlikely given that I've ridden your local terrain and in comparison to mine, it's smoother if any difference exists at all. More likely it's very similar, at least where the mountainous stuff is concerned. And I don't ride slow, unless you want to compare me to the top Expert and Pro class DH racers.

    "Linear" is not a problem if you know how to ride and you set it up properly.

    And I've yet to blow through "too much travel on small hits."

    Say it honestly -- were you bottoming out constantly? If so, did you try more air pressure? What did you do to try to make it work as well as the DHX Coil? I know you pride yourself on suspension knowledge finesse, but is it possible you overlooked anything?

    Or if you're near that 200 lbs mark, that might explain it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Could the real Gonzostrike please stand up
    That name was retired long ago. If you check your history books, you will notice it hasn't been used for a long time.

    So come on now, bring out that real last name of "Off," we'll all like you a lot better when you acknowledge your true self!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    That name was retired long ago. If you check your history books, you will notice it hasn't been used for a long time.

    So come on now, bring out that real last name of "Off," we'll all like you a lot better when you acknowledge your true self!
    Sorry, I'll use "Sean" from now on, Sean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Sorry, I'll use "Sean" from now on, Sean.
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    Consistency is the hobgoblin of the smallminded.

    I wonder why those two sayings pop into my head when I read your posts. But I don't wonder for long, it becomes apparent very quickly.

    I notice that you aren't winning many friends lately, Jerk_Off. Does attacking me help you rehabilitate your self-image?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    For you.

    You can imagine that I ride slower or more nancyboy than you.
    Your imagination, not mine. You'll notice that I refrain from making riding comparrisions like you.

    I don't get your comments either, you're simply accusing people of not putting enough pressure in the shock? You think people (on this board) can't figure out to increase the air pressure?

    Notice I didn't say it was bottoming out, I said it was using too much travel in reference to the size of the bumps, and when I say something like this, I'm assuming you understand that I'm using a normal amount of sag (actually less sag than I can run on the coil version though, more like 1/4th instead of 1/3rd). I tried many different settings, I tried different amounts of sag and pressure, I tried different compression settings and so forth. I couldn't get it to remain consistant on varied terrain like the DHX coil. Due to the difference in design internally, why is this so hard to understand?

    BTW, you haven't "ridden" my local terrain if you think it's just one type of terrain. South Moutnain, Sedona, Flagstaff, and here are all radically different.
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    Jayem, since I'll ignore your lame ad hominem attacks because they're pretty well par for your course, I'll stick to the facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    BTW, you haven't "ridden" my local terrain if you think it's just one type of terrain. South Moutnain, Sedona, Flagstaff, and here are all radically different.
    Sorry, Charlie. I've ridden all three areas. They are what I had in mind. Perhaps you'd like to make up some new ad hominem attack to try to "prove me wrong," eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    You'll notice that I refrain from making riding comparrisions like you.
    Actually, what I will notice is that despite your saying this, you began one of your replies to me with this statement --

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    I'm sorry you're slow,...
    OOPS! Looks like a riding comparison slipped in there without you even realizing it, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by it hurts
    which rear shock is best for high speed rocky terain?This is for my 5 spot,I own the dhx air now, is the dhx coil any better, or is the new vanilla for 07 any good for that type rideing.THANKS
    the original 5 Spot shock and still the best (if to judge by what people are saying here about dhx's). i run it on high speed rocky terrain and love it. if you have ugi you can always upgrade to a ti spring like i did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b


    OOPS! Looks like a riding comparison slipped in there without you even realizing it, huh?
    No, from the start that wasn't a riding comparison. That was a mental comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    "Wallow" -- the suspension ignoramus's new term for this decade. Last decade it was "bob."

    When your bike has full suspension, the rear suspension will spend most of its time in the midrange unless you have perfect technique and pedal perfect cadence with perfect circles, or unless you are in hyper-choppy terrain.

    "Wallow" is the new "bob."
    Well, since I don't get this issue with the romic or the RP3 set up with the same sag, I think the DHX5a has something to do with it. I just seem to blow through too much travel when I have the sag set correctly. When I set it up so that it doesn't blow through the travel it's too harsh.

    I've followed a lot of advice on adjusting it, and I simply don't like the shock. Bottom line; when the DHXa is on the bike, I really don't like riding it.

    But thanks for the lecture on suspension.

    Dave

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    I just decided to check out the Avalanche website. Interesting stuff, although they have a lot in their range; wouldn't know where to start. I noticed one with a floating piston in the res, another with a bladder, then remote reservoirs, then options for High/Low settings, which could make it a direct competitor to the Cane Creek, although there is clearly way different technology.

    Makes me wonder about the Avalanche.

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    Wow, this thread reminded me of Risse and Stratos.

    Went to the Risse site and see their shocks have such things as Hi/Low compression adjust too. Same for Stratos.

    Wonder what's going on with Stratos now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo_b
    That name was retired long ago. If you check your history books, you will notice it hasn't been used for a long time.
    What an ego trip! You flatter yourself. You'd have to first rise to the level of insignificance to merit even a passing reference in a footnote to history. (If I use an emoticon maybe I don't really mean what I say. Or I mean it but I think I'm mitigating its impact. Or perhaps its just my offbeat sense of humour that no one seems to appreciate.)

    "Egotism is proving you are worthwhile after you have sunk into hating yourself. Loving yourself will dissolve your ego: you will feel no need to prove you are superior."

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