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    Best Full Suspension Bike Ever!

    Just some light reading for everyone...

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    memories

    I was so green. But after about 6 months on my first mtb hardtail I started looking around for a full-suspension and it was this article that sold me on the Turner. I called DT and he told me about the XCE coming out, 6 months later....

    I do owe it to MBA cause this article swayed me away from a ellsworth truth

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    great. but what about the fasion guide?
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    The days of yellow stems...I had a Control Tech one.

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    and crappy forks with crappy band aids. i ran the same fork/damper/spring/stem combo on my '96 burner when i 1st built it. now theres somethin junkie could have pissed and moaned about with good reason.
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    1997 fashion guide? WTF?!

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    Is that darren murphy in the red shirt messing with the marzocchi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t66
    I was so green. But after about 6 months on my first mtb hardtail I started looking around for a full-suspension and it was this article that sold me on the Turner. I called DT and he told me about the XCE coming out, 6 months later....

    I do owe it to MBA cause this article swayed me away from a ellsworth truth
    Hey Chris....Isn't that orange Zocchi in the top pic the one you had on your XCE?

    ...and to think I catch crap about having a 36 on my Spot!
    Nothing to see here.

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    That's Brian from Zoke in the pic, that Fox alps 4 shock was the biggest POS ever, blew thru 4 of those in less than 2 years on an Ibis Szazbo, and their service wasn't any better back then

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    Wow. It's hard to believe MBA's logo has made it 10 years.

    That thing is hideous. I wish they'd update it.

    But props for their Turner coverage.

    Speaking of which, this month's Decline puts a DHR through its paces.
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    Many years ago, I think it was Supergo selling their remaining Burners relatively cheap. If I had ridden a Turner then, I would have picked one up but I had not yet experienced the Turner ride back then. Who knew it was going to become a classic!

    I also missed the XCE but I'm not missing any more, dammit!

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    Those Cook Bros. cranks are giving me a BMX flashback.

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    Lol

    Is that darren murphy in the red shirt messing with the marzocchi?
    That's a blast from the past!! Yeah, that's me, Bryson, Fred, and "Q-tip" taken at the old Marzocchi building. Funny to see that.

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    The last line in that article still holds true

    "The Turner may be proof positive that simple designs are still the best."
    Nothing to see here.

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    24.5 lbs? Mine weighs 29 lbs and it's full of a lot of light components.

    and I didn't know DT used to live in Eagle, CO?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Many years ago, I think it was Supergo selling their remaining Burners relatively cheap. If I had ridden a Turner then, I would have picked one up but I had not yet experienced the Turner ride back then. Who knew it was going to become a classic!
    Best deal ever! I got one for $750 and DT himself was selling the remaining XLs he had for $650.

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    at its lightest, mine came in at just a tick over 24 lbs with xtr drivetrain, racelites, avid 2.0's and a atom bomb. same size as tested in mba.
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    I think our version Burner uses beefier tubing, plus lightweight 90's comp's compared to what we ride today, sh!t would break every other ride back then it seemed.

    I got in on that $650 action, 3 seasons later I think I made the right choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    I think our version Burner uses beefier tubing, plus lightweight 90's comp's compared to what we ride today, sh!t would break every other ride back then it seemed.

    I got in on that $650 action, 3 seasons later I think I made the right choice.
    Well I figured maybe the gusset on the seat tower adds a little. But is was straight gauge tubing then too. I can't imagine it being that much beefier. Cactus, or anyone do you know the weight of the frame itself in 1997?

    I just have a hard time accounting for nearly 5 lbs extra.

    BTW, Rick, you are right about component quaility. It has really improved in the last decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    That's a blast from the past!! Yeah, that's me, Bryson, Fred, and "Q-tip" taken at the old Marzocchi building. Funny to see that.

    Darren
    Nice FUPA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Well I figured maybe the gusset on the seat tower adds a little. But is was straight gauge tubing then too. I can't imagine it being that much beefier. Cactus, or anyone do you know the weight of the frame itself in 1997?

    I just have a hard time accounting for nearly 5 lbs extra.

    BTW, Rick, you are right about component quaility. It has really improved in the last decade.
    I had that magazine [issue] unfortunately it was tossed during a recent house move. Very interesting read,thank's.
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    yep, straight guage alcoa tubes but the rear was a lighter guage than the disc versions that followed. i think the '96 was 6.5 lbs with the alps 4r.
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    our resident OH's old Burner was a very light bike. I've been intending to tell the story of this bike, he's ridden this thing hard for almost 10 years and has probably said the phrase "should have bought a Turner" more times than any one.

    This photo is from when it was still V braked, a couple years ago I scored him a new/used disc rear off a xce, and most recently a used 5 spot front triangle and the original frame was finally retired.

    I recall weighing it at approx. 27 lbs with this build.



    started gaining some weight with a few mods.



    I'll try to get a photo of his spot tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    Nice FUPA!
    Great term: Fatter Upper Pelvic Area
    A FUPA is a Man or a Woman so afflicted by obesity that their pubic area is used to store patches of soft fatty waste. Often sighted at work, the food court at the mall and Walmart, they can be spotted in families, or occasionally traveling in groups called 'schwaggles'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    Those Cook Bros. cranks are giving me a BMX flashback.
    I still have a set in anno blue Damn they looked good back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Hey Chris....Isn't that orange Zocchi in the top pic the one you had on your XCE?
    The fork on that bike is actually a pre production version of the 97 model year MrT fork. In the only picture in the mag there are machined disc brake mounts on the through axle inserts in the fork lowers - not to be confused with the 97 production Z1 which had mounts cast both sides.

    The production MrT fork itself is an interesting item as its really just a single crown fork with screw in uppers and compression/rebound control extensions.
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    I think one amazing thing is that the Turner pricing has remained about the same. I can't imagine what it should be with inflation. Thanks Dave for keeping it within our budgets
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    So, 12 years ago a Burner retailed for $1695. Fast forward 12 years, and the Sultan (just to pick a bike in the lineup) retails for $1895.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    great. but what about the fasion guide?
    Maybe later...

    CC comparing the frame in this article to your Burner #1 reveals a few subtle differences in the front tri mainly in the positioning of the top tube for apparently the same size frames. The seat tube could also be a little shorter on yours in comparison too.

    I borrowd one of your photos for reference.

    I've probably got most of the parts to replicate your original build hidden away but I'd probably put a MY97 Z1 or Z2 bomber on the front instead of the RS item if I find a suitable frame....
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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    ......and the original frame was finally retired.
    Well if it needs a new home
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    Nice FUPA!
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    I liked the MBA comment of "no magic pivots".... yeah except for the horst link which is what helped make it an active suspension bike, and not a semi-active one.
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    thats quite possible. mine was built as the i-bike show frame that year so its semi pre production but not quite proto. come to think of it, it could actually be a 17.5" im plannin on messin with it a bit this weekend so ill have a opportunity to get out the tape and compare some #'s. stay tuned if yer interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    thats quite possible. mine was built as the i-bike show frame that year so its semi pre production but not quite proto. come to think of it, it could actually be a 17.5" im plannin on messin with it a bit this weekend so ill have a opportunity to get out the tape and compare some #'s. stay tuned if yer interested.
    From memory when you sent me the numbers it was as follows:

    Seat Tube: 17.5"
    Effective TT: 22.5"
    Head Tube 5.25"
    31.6mm seatpost

    Those seat tube and eff TT numbers alway struck me as being a bit odd for a medium frame as 23" effective TT has been the norm for a medium Turner frame from the 94 FTF (before it was called a Burner) to the current Spot, and the seat tube stayed at 18" for a long time before being reduced to the current 17".

    The 31.6 seatpost size didn't stick around long either for that matter.

    Obviously DT will know more about the variation in the geo numbers than I and will be able to give the reasons why yours may differ too. I'll just collate some of the historical data for the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassie Devil
    Just some light reading for everyone...

    The scan quailty could be a little better but enjoy
    Is that Bernie Tusco riding the red bike? He used to come out and ride Tuesdays at El Morro, and used to ride with Roman Roth. I know he used to be mba test rider

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    Looks like H-Ball to me.

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    what... you could tell by the face? thats not h-balls hat. i think its some socal hot shoe xc racer that was on the "wrecking crew" and may still be. i dont remember his name but maybe the good dr is right.
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    So the weight diff is in the comp's then, my '04 Burner weighed about that with the 3 way, no wonder the **** broke non stop back then!

    Hball lives in Durango BTW

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    yep. the frames were close to the same weight through the years and gained 1/8 lb or so as they got bigger but it was neglidgable. bein a skinny, 150 lb, powerless, non jumpin xc hack i could get away with alot more than i can now as far as way light parts went and didnt ruin too much once i found the reliable stuff.

    true, but he did a few guest tests for them as i recall.
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