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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! 140-180mm (120-160mm) Nippon fork - totally impressed

    hi

    does anybody tried one of those?



    i tried one today head to head with my 08 36 talas and a 08 66 RC3 and a lyrik coil.
    the suntour performed really well. she had a little friction but it was her 3rd ride.
    travel adjust works on the fly and can be set everywhere between 140 and 180mm via remote lever.

    they cost 1/4 of the mrsp of a 36 talas or 2step. and even with a good price at your LBS you get three suntours for one Fox / RS.

    Fox 36 mrsp: €1150 LBS: €930, Suntour Durolux: €300

    i did not know the fork until today but after inet research i found nothing but happy cutomers in europe/germany. they are available for over one year now.
    will be available with "maxle" in april. the knobs do not look as good as on a Fox/RS but everything else does.

    140-180mm (can also be adjusted to 100-180mm via air preassure)
    35mm stanchions
    ~2400g without axle and remote for travel adjust

    not that bad.
    i think i will put one on my upcoming cove stiffee and for testing on the RFX.

    cheers

    *Edit: just found out that they are avaible in 120-160mm too.
    Last edited by hball; 02-08-2009 at 02:39 PM.
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    wonder what is causing a delay of US distribution?
    none listed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    wonder what is causing a delay of US distribution?
    none listed....
    ...competitive lobbyists?
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    Looks solid enough.
    Too wet to ride!

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    dunno if id want a fork that makes me mount all my front tires backwards. could be a good budget fork, knowin suntours work over the last 10 years. if so, i wouldnt expect much.... or it may surprise us all.
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    Maybe I missed the e-sarcasm but that is the correct orientation for the Big Betty.

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    i stand corrected then. i woulda thought diff. same with the other 2 in the pic. normally i find front tires to work best if used in a arrow pattern fwd config if 1 is available.
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    I'd love to see what's inside of it and how the damper works. Much of this stuff has already been paid for, as far as investment in the chassis is concerned and it wouldn't surprise me if other outgoing designs, or soon to be (if you get my drift) move down to the subcontractor.
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    Stats frm the Suntour site:
    http://www.srsuntour-cycling.com/SID...tail&tnid=2356

    Preload adjuster Air pressure adjust
    Brake Disc (Post mount type: for 180mm rotor)
    Wheel size 26"
    Crown race diameter 30 mm
    Lenght ( w / o thread ) 255 mm
    Steerer tube Steel
    Left Side Air remote Travel Adjust cartridge
    Right Side Hydraulic rebound damping with external adjuster on bottom
    Finish Shot anodized (Black or Silver)
    Stanchion tube Alloy
    Integrated HD Semi-ID type / 44mm
    Crown Alloy
    Leg Color Matt black, Metalic silver, White, coating decals
    Design 20mm through axle / Disc only design
    Lower Magnesium monocoque through axle design
    System Hydraulic damping w. rebound adjust / Air remote travel adjust
    Travel 180 - 140 mm
    I.C.E. Yes
    Note Lever for Remote travel adjust included / 160 - 120mm travel available / QLOC system type bottom cas
    Weight 2300g
    Description Magnesium monocoque, Coil spring
    Category 26", Freeride, All Mountain, Enduro
    Stanchion tube finish Gold anodized
    Rebound Damping adjuster Yes
    max. disc diameter 210 mm
    Von IBC (with posts from Suntour):

    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=372361

    Cycle Taiwan:
    http://www.cycletaiwan.com/index.php...sion&Itemid=71

    For some reason, the top caps and the cart diagrams remind me of older zoke stuff. The chassis reminds me more of RS forks.

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    i've experimented with schwalbe big betty and nobby nic orientation both front and rear.
    i was also surprised to see a reverse pattern.
    however, mounting either way provides little difference in grip or drag.

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    Is it available in a 29r version? When are others making a 29 AM fork? Rumors?

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    Which translation website should I use when I have to send this thing back to Asia for service???

    It's only fair to compare air forks to coil forks after 6 months of use.

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    Well, according to CT, the damper basically doesn't work. on IBC, suntour chimed in and said there was a revised damper that they added to the forks. On top of that, the description only mentions "hydraulic damping", so basically, it's likely to be a fixed orifice damper, no compression.

    On the other hand, if you can put a MOCO or a RC2 in there as a retrofit, well, it likely won't be any better than the donor forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Well, according to CT, the damper basically doesn't work...
    well...

    the fork i rode worked really well. and there was definitely some damping going on. maybe CT did have a "press-pre-production" version? how serious a test for sbd can be that tests hundreds of davidoff cigaretts before and after the ride!?

    the first forks did have problems with the rebound but that is fixed now.

    suntour did the chasis for nearly all other manufactor or they still do.

    indeed, the internals look like older zokes ones.

    price is hot, externals are comparable to other forks of this class and the function is very good.

    if you read other threads at IBC there are a bunch of people riding 66 air forks and are comparing these two forks with no real penalty for the Duroloux.

    maybe the point is that the suntour costs so much less than Fox, RS and MZ that people think that it will not work right?

    do not know. but i actually do not mind.



    cheers
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    It looks ok, but in this class, I'd at least still hope for a compression adjust, low pricing or not.

    I also would like to see if it's an orifice or shim-stack.

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    uups...
    Last edited by hball; 02-09-2009 at 10:30 AM.
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    This is kinda funny considering the new zokes are made by SR Suntour.
    Problem: "Bike has trouble going up steep hills."
    Fix: Recommend pressing harder on the pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hball

    indeed, the internals look like older zokes ones.
    What does that mean? HSCV? or an orofice damper like a Jr T or Z3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hball
    maybe the point is that the suntour costs so much less than Fox, RS and MZ that people think that it will not work right?
    Maybe because they don't provide any real information on the damping system? On the other hand, not all manufacturers do a good job of this, but I sure as heck am not going to take a chance. Need more information.
    Last edited by Jayem; 02-14-2009 at 05:55 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    Is it available in a 29r version? When are others making a 29 AM fork? Rumors?
    Something your not telling us DT?

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    anyone know the a2c of the fork?

    Chris

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    565mm.

    the damping is shim based.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hball
    565mm.

    the damping is shim based.
    A start.

    Is it rebuildable(for different weights/riding styles)? What does it offer complared to other iterations? Low-speed adjustable bleed? Shim preload? How about the rebound damping/piston? etc...
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    sounds interesting. Where might you get one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    A start.

    Is it rebuildable(for different weights/riding styles)? What does it offer complared to other iterations? Low-speed adjustable bleed? Shim preload? How about the rebound damping/piston? etc...
    i am costumer not manufactor.
    ask suntour.
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    hball, you mention sth about 100-180 travel adjustment by playing with air pressure.
    can you explain this a bit more.

    was considering magura WOTAN when found this on several German bike shops and thought it might worth a try

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    The Durolux!

    I fitted a Durolux to my double at 130mm and she is awesome!


    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/23352981?color=bc00f0" width="540" height="304" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/23352981">The suntour durolux</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user5268013">Nicholas Poetker</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p><p>A new fork for my Double!<br />The Suntour Durolux lowered from 180mm to 130mm to suit my double as an all around trial fr bike!<br />RideOn!</p>

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