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    The 07 DHR

    The new DHR
    HT 3.7 4.2 4.7
    WB 44.8 46 46.8
    bb 14.4
    cs 17.4
    ha 64
    stand over 30.5 - 31
    two pounds lighter!

    DT asked me to share this with you guys as he headed out for lunch, enjoy!
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    another veiw..
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    Wow, thats cool!

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    nice round tubing!

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    Those chainstays and bb mesurements aren't that different from the current bike.
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    At least it's not disguised as a 4 bar like the rest of em.

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    Is it a 1 1/8" head tube?

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    Yes it is an 1 1/8 head tube

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    Looks like a non-replacable der. hanger?

    Reminds me of the early 02 DHR, how the seat brace tube meets the top and downtubes (without the twin toptube) if that makes any sense.

    Lower bb and shorter stays are a nice touch. Notice the large aslo has a longer wheelbase at 46.8". The current large 06 frame is at 46.5" and the 06 medium at 45.6"
    So, if the 07 large will be closer in size to the 06 medium, I would be going from a 45.6" wheel base to a 46.8". I really like the way my medium corners, will the longer wheel base on the new frame make a big difference? Or just take some time getting used to?

    Looks good DT thanks for kicking down the pic

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    Ugly...I prefer the square tubes.
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    The D hanger is replaceable, but beefy enough you shouldn't have the need.

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    Nice; I'd hit that. Wait till you see it in the flesh before poo-pooing the round tubes; CAD models never look like the real thing.
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    looks tits!

    6 months is too long though, need DH bike now!

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    i think id much rather take a knee or calf hit on a round tube that the edge of a square one. just a observation. personally, i like the new look and the geo sounds like it makes sense to me.
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    Hanging

    The hanger is a variation of the Highline, super beef, not meant to fail ever but it has the threads so if the axle threads are stripped it can be replaced.

    The head angle is slacker, so that has a big affect on the wheel base as the front triangle is more compact, wheel base is let critical than cockpit fit and headtube location for rider fit.

    Not much different bb and cstay, but it is what the tester liked and it has a notable difference on the dirt.

    All dual crowns are 1 1/8th so that is what I put on it, and for those heading to the park it will probably still have a dual crown so therefore a burly 1 1/8th.

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    It doesn't appear to have the 20mm stepdown rear axle of the 2006 frame.
    What's the new axle size?
    Is 1soulrider the test pilot? If so, any notable riding characteristics to comment on?

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    64* is CRAZY SLACK! What fork was that measured with?

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    whew, I was worried you were going to try and compete with the socom .

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    Sweeet.

    I'm out on the yellow, then again it all changes when you see it for reals.
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    any substantial strength changes while dropping this much weight...

    so is it 10.3lbs for a med?

    diggin it!

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    Thought this was funny on RM!!

    I heard Diamond Back was sueing Turner!! For coping their design!!
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    Some questions......

    Looks super trick, thanks for sharing.

    Looks very slimed down, will it still carry a 2 year warrenty?? I like my current DHR as its strong, would you expect these to still be ridden in 3-4 years time like the current models?

    What is the thing on the far left and side near the disc tab??

    I think it would look more elegant if you put on a bent top tube rather then the two peice design, similar to want commencal and rotec do with the top tubes on their DH bikes (seeing rotec are made by sapa i assume it could be done).

    One other question, the brace between the BB and seat mast, is that going to be machined from one peice of aluminum? That is alot of waste material if so

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike67
    It doesn't appear to have the 20mm stepdown rear axle of the 2006 frame.
    What's the new axle size?
    Is 1soulrider the test pilot? If so, any notable riding characteristics to comment on?
    The rear axle will be 12mm, not 20mm w/ reducers like it has been.

    I wish I was the test pilot, but it ain't me so I can't comment on how the new version rides.
    I do have a lot of faith in DT's ability to make an already great bike even better though.

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    More questions....

    Seeing the DHR has gone on a 2lb diet, it would stand to reason that the 07 DHR will be anodised not powdercoated to shave a few grams??

    I like how you have gone needles with zerks for the main pivot like the highline.

    Will the 07 frame be able to fit a canecreek double barrel or avalanche chubbie?? DHX looks like a tight squeeze.

    And why have you stuck with the old ISGS tabs and not the newer "standard"

    The headtubes are very short, is this to give a low stack height with 1 1/8 cups? From my calculations the 07 medium with a chris king will come out less then a 06 medium DHR with e13 cups.

    Thanks

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    cave dweller hits on alot of good points, i'm anxious to hear the response. Ano (4g compared to 130g) should reduce the weight roulghly by 120 grams or so off of regular paint. I'm guessing the tubes used as well drops some weight (round now too). Is shimano making XT's in 83mm this year or are you stuck with saints? Finally the racers get some cookies from turner.

    The piece to the left of the disc tabs i believe is a maxle
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    dhr

    Crazy slack. Only if high level DH racers are crazy is that slack. The slacker the HA the less it is steered and the more it is either drifted (cutty) or power wheelied to changed directions.

    Why would I want to compete with a Special Operations unit? Uhh they have lots of guns.

    The new DHR is being compared to the current Version in FEA for strength. I do no want it to be a disposable race only frame, then riding it at Plattekill or other bike parks will be no fun.

    CD, that is probably the Maxle handle. It will be equipped with the Mxle but one can run it with a solid bolt and Saint if you want. I have never liked bent tubes, looks cheap to me elegant to you, no offense. That big hunk on the current bike is currently extruded, so on the 07 I am not sure if we will do that or forge it or extrude it as well? the tooling cost either way will be immense, but machining from plate is not an option with waste and machine time. What color ano would you all like for this bike? We are partial to yellow paint buuuut if ya'll hate it we have time to change. The zerked Highline style main pivot will be a stiffness improvement as well, less lateral movement at the rear axle, or no double row ball bearings needed to counter bearing race mis alignment that is felt as flex on the bike.
    I am not sure about the Avy, but the CC fits within the DHX shadow, so it 'should' work.
    Someone tight with Craig? Have him send a solid file of a 9.5" and we will pop it in for a check. Yes the headtubes are short, that is what every racer the last couple years wanted, lower hands lower hands lower hands and not just pros but non placing experts as well. The front ends have gotten so high with the long forks that it was a real chore to shorten the top, heavy expensive Zero stacks and crowns and chasing lower rise bars and hacksawing off the little bit sticking above the weld. So it is shorter. Now if someone wants to raise their hands it is easy.

    I love ano myself, so what colors? Thanks for the gram comparo mtb, yes weight is critical on this new project so why add cosmetic weight. You all have untill 10:00 PST friday the 15th to decide what color the DHR will be for 2007.

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    I'll buy any color, as long as it's ano. Other than that, it would be nice if the color matched well with 888s and boxxers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    64* is CRAZY SLACK! What fork was that measured with?
    It's a race bike...
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    Cherry Cola Ano!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aappling72
    Cherry Cola Ano!
    Like you care AA. You would buy it, have it powdercoated and sell it in 3-6 months anyway.
    Nothing to see here.

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    Anno Red. That would be my favorite and it would match the World Cup, 888 and white Travis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    You all have untill 10:00 PST friday the 15th to decide what color the DHR will be for 2007.

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    Silver and black ano. everything goes with silver and black.

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    I like the yellow, it's something different from the sea of endless plain bikes. I'm partial to blues myself, and greens, but I really think the yellow's cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Like you care AA. You would buy it, have it powdercoated and sell it in 3-6 months anyway.
    Can't a guy ever get a break in here!!

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    Go black or gun metal ano. Something everyone can appreciate. If you go with yellow, half your potential buyers will love it, whilst the rest run away screaming. Perhaps do a limited run of something more adventurous later in the season to stand out? Maybe it's just me, but yellow poweder coat just invokes memories of the original Judy SLs and retro xc stuff.

    Can someone explain to me the way the highline pivot is set out? It sounds like it's similar to the DHR-1 in having two needle races side by side. Does it use the thrust washers either side for side-loading too? No offence, but this setup gave me no end of headaches on my DHR-1...

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    The old blue on the 03 dhrs was nice. Maybe an anno version?

    It depends if you only want to produce one color though, then yeah something neutral like black or grey........hell I'd love a polished dhr but I know that's too much work for every frame.

    I'd buy a raw one too. I've got a raw intense and it's been nice watching it change shades and never worrying about paint chips. Light too
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s
    Silver and black ano. everything goes with silver and black.
    I see where you're coming from....you just want it to match your helmet and car.

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    I'd want silver, black anodized or raw.
    I would love to ride it regardless of the color though.

    Would also really like the Avy to fit in there.

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    Slate Grey would be nice too. Relatively neutral and looks good.

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    Any specs on the top tube measurement of a small?

    Virtual top tube length that is - from the head tube to the top of the seat mast direct. not the bottom of the seat mast. It's all about the the reach for me being only 5' 2".

    It looks like everything I was hoping for, I'm so excited. I vote for white powder coat or baby blue ano.

    Thanks

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    Final stretch

    We are down to silver or black anodized, with either polished or bead blasted base?

    What do you want?

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    Bead blasted base, silver anno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    We are down to silver or black anodized, with either polished or bead blasted base?

    What do you want?
    If you're willing to go polished anno, that's my vote.

    Also further differentiates from previous year's black.
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    Silver bead blasted
    Silver bead blasted
    Silver bead blasted

    Can I vote three times?

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    Naw, the '06 Ventana did the polished silver look.
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    Go Between Silver & Black..

    With a gunmetal/Pewter anno finnish. This color has blacks and silvers in it. I've never seen a DHR in this color yet and know it would be badddd. Then offer polished as an upcharge as well as yellow for the flash gordons.

    Polished base for the smoooooove texture like the highline...



    Why such a limited amount of color options??. Paying for a boutique frame and there are only two color choices???? With this everyone looks the same, riding the same color.\



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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB
    With a gunmetal/Pewter anno finnish. This color has blacks and silvers in it. I've never seen a DHR in this color yet and know it would be badddd. Then offer polished as an upcharge as well as yellow for the flash gordons.

    Polished base for the smoooooove texture like the highline...



    Why such a limited amount of color options??. Paying for a boutique frame and there are only two color choices???? With this everyone looks the same, riding the same color.\



    Dark Pewter-Gunmetal Anno........
    I changed my mind - I'm with him. Pewter, Pewter, Pewter.

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    My vote is for the polished silver. Isn't that what Maxxis has on their team DHRs this year? Looks killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAHEEB
    Paying for a boutique frame and there are only two color choices????
    it's no biggie to have olympic paint it any color is it?

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    bead blasted base with gun metal ano, that would look killer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Threepointtwo
    I changed my mind - I'm with him. Pewter, Pewter, Pewter.
    I agree, Like this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mike67
    Looks like a non-replacable der. hanger?

    Looks good DT thanks for kicking down the pic
    Oh yes, hope it's not a non replacable der. hanger!

    & I like it very much, I'll probably buy one, soon as it is available!

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    YELLOW or YELLOW!!!!!!!! for me like my 06 DHR!

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    When DT will go for a DHR "gear box", cause that's sound to be the futur for DH?

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    I vote for Black ano'd. I am more into the darker, stealthy look.

    I know it's been said before...at least I think it has but where else can you get on a board and see that the man himself is taking a poll on which color a bike should be for the year? No where.....Intense, Crapsworth, Foes, nobody else that I know of or have heard of......
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    polished aluminum is horrible. anything but that please. Those initial pics of the SC Nomad in polished silver turned off many potential buyers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2w4s

    ^^^ HOT ^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trexboy
    When DT will go for a DHR "gear box", cause that's sound to be the futur for DH?
    I totaly agree with that ! Much more important than a colour we could easily change !
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    Purple Ano............

    Just kidding, I like the raw look. Like the Highlines.

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    gear box

    I have long been a fan of the thinking that Alex Morgan started years ago and before anyone else. But the reality is that currently it is heavy and expensive and if it were light and expensive it would be good for racers, and if it were cheap and heavy it would be OK for park bikes. The other huge factor is limitation of pivot location, and that is a major factor in the way a bike feels. So at this time you can get a cheap rear derailer at any shop in the world and be on the way with a couple of turns of the wrench. That is hard technology to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    So at this time you can get a cheap rear derailer at any shop in the world and be on the way with a couple of turns of the wrench. That is hard technology to beat.
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    ... but what about such benefits like, shifting without pedaling, only 1 chain line & 1 ring size to deal with (for the suspension geometry), no fear of breaking those hangers/chains/derailleurs etc ...

    Sure those G boxx should be lighter !
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    Quote Originally Posted by J_B
    I vote for Black ano'd. I am more into the darker, stealthy look.

    I know it's been said before...at least I think it has but where else can you get on a board and see that the man himself is taking a poll on which color a bike should be for the year? No where.....Intense, Crapsworth, Foes, nobody else that I know of or have heard of......
    Ho yeah, that's a good idea, he sould put a "real poll" on his web site!

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    Gunmetal grey for sure.

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    There is another color that I forgot about which is absolutly sweet.

    Its a cross between silver and some kind o blue. Some call it steel blue.

    This way blue fans and silver fans are stoked. The yellow in the pdf wouldnt be too bad if it were 1/2 silver...just my .02 but puke yellow makes me want to....


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    Gold, red or blue

    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    We are down to silver or black anodized, with either polished or bead blasted base?

    What do you want?
    If its not too late.....

    I reckon the finish you have on the nitrous is trick, i would love the DHR in that colour.

    I would alos like to chuck in a vote for a red or blue version of the 03 DHR colours, that blue you used to have was smick.

    I personally reckon not black or silver, you have done black and white with the DHR, next years highline will be silver, maybe make it a bit differant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    The new DHR is being compared to the current Version in FEA for strength. I do no want it to be a disposable race only frame, then riding it at Plattekill or other bike parks will be no fun.

    CD, that is probably the Maxle handle. It will be equipped with the Mxle but one can run it with a solid bolt and Saint if you want. I have never liked bent tubes, looks cheap to me elegant to you, no offense. That big hunk on the current bike is currently extruded, so on the 07 I am not sure if we will do that or forge it or extrude it as well? the tooling cost either way will be immense, but machining from plate is not an option with waste and machine time. What color ano would you all like for this bike? We are partial to yellow paint buuuut if ya'll hate it we have time to change. The zerked Highline style main pivot will be a stiffness improvement as well, less lateral movement at the rear axle, or no double row ball bearings needed to counter bearing race mis alignment that is felt as flex on the bike.
    I am not sure about the Avy, but the CC fits within the DHX shadow, so it 'should' work.
    Someone tight with Craig? Have him send a solid file of a 9.5" and we will pop it in for a check. Yes the headtubes are short, that is what every racer the last couple years wanted, lower hands lower hands lower hands and not just pros but non placing experts as well. The front ends have gotten so high with the long forks that it was a real chore to shorten the top, heavy expensive Zero stacks and crowns and chasing lower rise bars and hacksawing off the little bit sticking above the weld. So it is shorter. Now if someone wants to raise their hands it is easy.

    I love ano myself, so what colors? Thanks for the gram comparo mtb, yes weight is critical on this new project so why add cosmetic weight. You all have untill 10:00 PST friday the 15th to decide what color the DHR will be for 2007.

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    Thanks for taking the time to answer the questions DT. The 07 DHR is rocking my world at the moment, so many nice features, maxle, low stack height, reduced weight, slacker angles and an anodised finish

    There are some dim drawings of the chubbie and woodie here, not 3D models though.

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    Looks like the colors have been picked already...

    On Ridemonkey Dave stated that annodised gray and Polished will be offered for the badass 07' DHR!

    ano gray
    "Well it seems that no one wants flash, so it will be as close to the Turner/Wahoo's bikes as possible. Since that was a custom finish getting the anodizer to remember what it looks like will be a challenge, but polished and medium gray ano it is."
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    IMHO, this was the best DHR color......

    Out of a pack of high-end bikes, this color always turned the most heads.

    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/373881/

    But if I were to pick a new color, something totally different like yellow ano would be awesome. Or else ano pewter or gunmetal are also solid choices.

    Just not polished. Thats gotta be the absolute worst.

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    The good old Safran orange that Eric Carter used in the past. White decals with black outliner, and a black rear and polished linlage.


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    I know its too late but I think it would look *****in with that bronze thats on the special order RFX.

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    Large Size

    What size frame is in the CAD models??

    Any chance of seeing what a large frame looks like DT?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller
    What size frame is in the CAD models??

    Any chance of seeing what a large frame looks like DT?

    Thanks
    I would also like to know what size frame is shown in the jpeg image???
    Since it seems like most of us will be moving up to the large frame, it would be nice to see an image of the large (if we haven't already)...
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    We have all the other specs.

    Except for the top tube length (on a small please)...

    I need to know, this is very important for deciding on my new race bike for next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike67
    I would also like to know what size frame is shown in the jpeg image???
    Since it seems like most of us will be moving up to the large frame, it would be nice to see an image of the large (if we haven't already)...
    Same here, will need to move to a large frame from my medium. Im thinking of placing a pre-order, but not until i have seen what the large looks like, don't want any nasty suprises...........

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    Good job!

    I toy'd with the colour replacement option in Photoshop and came up with this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller
    Same here, will need to move to a large frame from my medium. Im thinking of placing a pre-order, but not until i have seen what the large looks like, don't want any nasty suprises...........
    Nasty surprises is right! I remember being on the phone with "Bike-Shop" about to order a medium (back in 04) They told me at my size I should really consider the large. So I looked over the numbers again and still felt like the medium would be the right choice for me. Then I noticed a pic of all of the DHR frames they had in stock, the pic was super small. So I enlarged the pic and was shocked, it was the large wing mobile. Every where else that I called to discuss sizing pushed the large...Turns out I made the right choice on the medium geometry/fit wise, but those bike shop people did their best to steer me toward the large they had in stock.

    Definitely wait for a pic before decisions are made. Geometry and fit are first, but it must look the sh!t to get my $$$

    DT said the large ugly is gone, so hopefully there will be no surprises. We'll have to wait for his response about the jpeg image...
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    stuff

    The solid model is a medium. The small is done as well for clearance issues.

    I am not sure what you mean by top tube length? There is no industry dh bike top tube norm so giving you a # is irrelevant to other brands. Well I guess you could tell me the height of your seat to the top of the leather and I would then input that to the drawing and draw a line from the middle of YOUR seat (assuming a straight post) to the headtube center. But that would your measurement on a 2007 DHR and be applicable to very little else based on the angle of the line? Oh, did you want that to the top of the stem? different measurement. See my dilema. So at this time, the small is Very small. If anyone can start a new DH frame measurement system that is equitable for comparison purposes, lets here it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    The solid model is a medium. The small is done as well for clearance issues.

    I am not sure what you mean by top tube length? There is no industry dh bike top tube norm so giving you a # is irrelevant to other brands. Well I guess you could tell me the height of your seat to the top of the leather and I would then input that to the drawing and draw a line from the middle of YOUR seat (assuming a straight post) to the headtube center. But that would your measurement on a 2007 DHR and be applicable to very little else based on the angle of the line? Oh, did you want that to the top of the stem? different measurement. See my dilema. So at this time, the small is Very small. If anyone can start a new DH frame measurement system that is equitable for comparison purposes, lets here it.

    DT

    I've said this forever and I even remember you asking for some of these measurements when you were doing the highline or rail (can't remember which). I agree that effective top tube measurements are useless on a bike you spend most of your time standing up on (dh and dirtjump bikes). A measurement from the BB center to the headtube is much more valuable for how long a bike will ride. This defines your two points of contact better than anything (feet and hands).

    To standardize it, I use the intersection of the center line of the headtube and the center line of the downtube. This is the first thing I check on every bike when I'm looking to buy. Unfortunately we're still stuck on road bike and double triangle hardtail measuring standards.

    At least we got away from that stupid seat tube sizing crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    The solid model is a medium. The small is done as well for clearance issues.

    I am not sure what you mean by top tube length? There is no industry dh bike top tube norm so giving you a # is irrelevant to other brands. Well I guess you could tell me the height of your seat to the top of the leather and I would then input that to the drawing and draw a line from the middle of YOUR seat (assuming a straight post) to the headtube center. But that would your measurement on a 2007 DHR and be applicable to very little else based on the angle of the line? Oh, did you want that to the top of the stem? different measurement. See my dilema. So at this time, the small is Very small. If anyone can start a new DH frame measurement system that is equitable for comparison purposes, lets here it.

    DT
    I've been thinking for a couple of years now that due to all the different seat tube arrangements on DH bikes and the fact that you never sit on the seat going downhill, a new measurement method is needed.

    The key length measurements would be chainstay length and wheelbase as they are now and a new one which would be the horizontal measurement from a vertical line through the bottom bracket to the center of the top of the headtube. This new measurement could be called "cockpit length" and would define the length between the contact points of the pedals centered on the BB, and the hands, with the only variable being stem length (and to a lesser degree bar height and spacers) but most DH bikes are using similiar length stems.

    Currently it is impossible to compare sizes between manufacturers or even different models from the same manufacturer by the published top tube measurement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge Rider
    I new one which would be the horizontal measurement from a vertical line through the bottom bracket to the center of the top of the headtube.
    That suffers from the same pitfalls as effective top tube.

    Start with a short fork. Take the measurement. Now stick a taller fork on it. That measurement shortens with a slacker fork even though your feet and hands are in the same place. that's the problem with any artificial horizontal line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    That suffers from the same pitfalls as effective top tube.

    Start with a short fork. Take the measurement. Now stick a taller fork on it. That measurement shortens with a slacker fork even though your feet and hands are in the same place. that's the problem with any artificial horizontal line.
    Most DH bikes are running 8" double crown forks with very similiar A-C measurements. Even with a change in fork height the change in the "cockpit length" will be much less than the variation in effective top tube in current DH designs. Compare the effective top tube measurement for a steep uniterrupted seat tube like the Cannondale Gemini vs. a Foes with a very slack interupted seat tube and you will see that my "cockpit length" is a much more accurate way to compare the two bikes for downhiling.

    A traditional effective top tube measurement is a modification of the traditional road bike top tube length when the top tube was horizontal and the seat tube angle and head tube angle did not vary much between different bikes. What Dave Turner was getting at is that for DH bikes any top tube measurement he could give would be misleading.

    The 07 has a much slacker head angle which by itself would make the wheelbase much longer but the shorter "cockpit length" keeps the wheelbase from getting too long. The shorter "cockpit length" also is better for jumping and allows the rider to ride the bike more with his legs and less with the arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge Rider
    Most DH bikes are running 8" double crown forks with very similiar A-C measurements. Even with a change in fork height the change in the "cockpit length" will be much less than the variation in effective top tube in current DH designs. Compare the effective top tube measurement for a steep uniterrupted seat tube like the Cannondale Gemini vs. a Foes with a very slack interupted seat tube and you will see that my "cockpit length" is a much more accurate way to compare the two bikes for downhiling.

    A traditional effective top tube measurement is a modification of the traditional road bike top tube length when the top tube was horizontal and the seat tube angle and head tube angle did not vary much between different bikes. What Dave Turner was getting at is that for DH bikes any top tube measurement he could give would be misleading.

    The 07 has a much slacker head angle which by itself would make the wheelbase much longer but the shorter "cockpit length" keeps the wheelbase from getting too long. The shorter "cockpit length" also is better for jumping and allows the rider to ride the bike more with his legs and less with the arms.

    you are right & that's a pertinant subject, I can't understand how they (we) all look after the top tube lenght when the seat tube can be very slack so top tube lenght varies....

    so we need a standar for measuring that!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    The solid model is a medium. The small is done as well for clearance issues.

    I am not sure what you mean by top tube length? There is no industry dh bike top tube norm so giving you a # is irrelevant to other brands. Well I guess you could tell me the height of your seat to the top of the leather and I would then input that to the drawing and draw a line from the middle of YOUR seat (assuming a straight post) to the headtube center. But that would your measurement on a 2007 DHR and be applicable to very little else based on the angle of the line? Oh, did you want that to the top of the stem? different measurement. See my dilema. So at this time, the small is Very small. If anyone can start a new DH frame measurement system that is equitable for comparison purposes, lets here it.

    DT
    Thanks for the quick reply. Here is my situation, I am 5' 2".

    I raced a 2001 small DHR for 3 years but felt I was never able to really get up over the front of the bike or toss the bike around since I felt like I was always reaching for the front. The past 2 years I have been riding a 2005 Giant DH Comp extra small frame and even though the bike is much heavier than my old Turner I was much more comfortable getting over the front of bike and generally just moving around the cockpit. I felt the reach was much better for me because the effective top tube measurement of the bike (from the center top of the head tube with a horizontal line to the top of the seat tube) was 20.1 inches. Most small frames on the market are 22 inches.

    I understand what your are saying about other factors of the bikes geometry that effect the bike setup. I just feel that this measurement will give me a better idea of how comfortable I will feel on the bike. Everything else you have done with the bike seems to be perfect and exactly what I have been waiting for and I can't wait to be racing on a Turner again.

    So if you can give me a ball park measurement (from the center top of the head tube with a horizontal line to the top of the seat tube) on a small it will make it easier for me to make my decision and place an order.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
    I've said this forever and I even remember you asking for some of these measurements when you were doing the highline or rail (can't remember which). I agree that effective top tube measurements are useless on a bike you spend most of your time standing up on (dh and dirtjump bikes). A measurement from the BB center to the headtube is much more valuable for how long a bike will ride. This defines your two points of contact better than anything (feet and hands).

    To standardize it, I use the intersection of the center line of the headtube and the center line of the downtube. This is the first thing I check on every bike when I'm looking to buy. Unfortunately we're still stuck on road bike and double triangle hardtail measuring standards.

    At least we got away from that stupid seat tube sizing crap.
    I have to apologize because I responded to DT's post before I read your post. Basically you and I are talking about the same thing. Head tube lengths would be a variable in both of our methods.

    With your method of using down tube length a DH bike with an 8" fork and a 4X bike with a 4" fork could have the same down tube length but the 4X bike would have a longer "cockpit length". This might actually be a good thing as one wants more weight on the hands for 4X and more on the legs for downhill, but it makes comparing different bikes a little more difficult.

    One could use both measurements your downtube length and my cockpit length or we could use cockpit length and cockpit height (vertical distance from BB to top of headtube at centerlin). Using length and height would take out the headtube length variable. One other way would be to use your downtube length and downtube angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhsean
    Thanks for the quick reply. Here is my situation, I am 5' 2".

    So if you can give me a ball park measurement (from the center top of the head tube with a horizontal line to the top of the seat tube) on a small it will make it easier for me to make my decision and place an order.

    Thanks
    Bump. Effective top tube measurement on a small please.

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    Uhmmm How much shorter are the 07s? Like others have said... a measurement from the BB to somewhere on the headtube is the onyl relevant cockpit size on a DH bike.

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    Final stretch
    <hr style="color: rgb(183, 183, 183);" size="1"> We are down to silver or black anodized, with either polished or bead blasted base?

    What do you want?
    Um I know white is the old and out with the new but I like last years white myself just stunnning with the 888RC2x man its clean, cheers DT some things don't need changing, just add options my 2c love yr work.

    Also I'd like to see a LTD ed team Maxxis version that would be cool with orange tires, grips, cranks, bars, and stem,coil shock

    Ps you don't need to be told this but your marketing tech is just plain awesome, I'm a keeper

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    if you want lower bars on your DHR here's how you do it.



    yeah I know I need a 0stack lower.

    The 07 looks nice.. too bad mine's good to go for another year at least..


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    [QUOTE=trailadvent]Um I know white is the old and out with the new but I like last years white myself just stunnning with the 888RC2x man its clean, cheers DT some things don't need changing, just add options my 2c love yr work.QUOTE]

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    1soulrider thats sweet, oh yeah, some white diety would pimp it to the max thats the DHR I would like fer sure but no more Turners no more bikes must resist more assimilationnnnn!

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    Don't be scared...

    DHRs ride even better than they look. The Diety stuff looks nice but is too heavy for my race bike, Thompson & Azonic B52s light and sexy. If I ever make it to NZ I'll have to look you up for the local info, the wife and I have wanted to take a bike trip down there for years.

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    07 DHR Bump Time

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    So..... bottom bracket to head tube measurements? Anybody? Bueler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toodles
    So..... bottom bracket to head tube measurements? Anybody? Bueler?
    Yes, what he said.

    It's the only information I'm waiting for to make my order.

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    I want a lkighter chain guide.

    How do you find the gamut soulrider? Heard mixxed reviews, like they drop chains, back plate is too flexy etc etc

    Do you turner guys recomend running an LG-1 with a taco, or do you think the ISGS tabs are not strong enough to take a direct impact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller
    I want a lkighter chain guide.

    How do you find the gamut soulrider? Heard mixxed reviews, like they drop chains, back plate is too flexy etc etc

    Do you turner guys recomend running an LG-1 with a taco, or do you think the ISGS tabs are not strong enough to take a direct impact?
    Don't listen to Montashu. My Gamut has been awesome.

    I went from an LG1 (no taco) to the G40. The Gamut's a lot easier to set up, and it's not much heavier than an LG1 with full bash protection. I crashed ONCE on my LG1 and something got tweaked and it rubbed from there on out. The Gamut's nice and simple so it's reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ojai Bicyclist
    Don't listen to Montashu. My Gamut has been awesome.

    I went from an LG1 (no taco) to the G40. The Gamut's a lot easier to set up, and it's not much heavier than an LG1 with full bash protection. I crashed ONCE on my LG1 and something got tweaked and it rubbed from there on out. The Gamut's nice and simple so it's reliable.
    Yeh, i don't like the idea of running the taco, i can see it being easier to damage either the backplate or the ISGS tabs.

    Its not just Montashu, i have been reading a few comments like that.

    I would much prefer the bashring mounted to my cranks/spindle/BB like the gamut, but neither seem to really be strong enough?

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