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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch@Trek View Post
    Hey folks, Mitchell from Trek here..
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    There's been some really good enjoyable hype here.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg View Post
    Its a square BB isnt it?
    Yes, but off-set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg View Post
    Its a square BB isnt it?
    Round taper. And the taper is larger at the outside of the spindle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshandhisbikes View Post
    I disagree but I will let everyone else decide for themselves.
    You disagree the Trek news will be disappointing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zgxtreme View Post
    You disagree the Trek news will be disappointing?
    That's OK..... everyone else will be more than disappointed enough to make up for one person being excited.

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    You guys must be great salesmen at your shops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Squirrel View Post
    That's OK..... everyone else will be more than disappointed enough to make up for one person being excited.
    For the record, not disappointed here especially since nothing has been made official. I look at it that any innovation is better being stagnant and simply maintaining the status quo. Will it please everyone? Nothing ever does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshandhisbikes View Post
    You guys must be great salesmen at your shops!
    Non-sarcastically speaking, it is a not a bad idea to share such pessimism, to keep the hype from getting out of hand, and the related disappointment. Helps to control wild emotion.

    If the news is judged poorly, at least the let down was gentle.

    If it's judged positively, then there's a renewal of excitement.

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    We can just throw out guesses, and the one that's true will bet deleted.

    Hoverbike hasn't been deleted yet, so I guess that wasn't it. DARN, sounded freakin' cool.

    Round-taper was a good guess but apparently also wrong.

    My guesses are:
    New axle spacing
    GU gel dispensor from a straw in the stem or handlebars
    Wind turbine blades in place of spokes to power electronic shifting
    Have fun!

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    Itís a full suspension bike without a shock. The first one is pretty meh but the concept is mind-blowing and will soon replace the Top Fuel.


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    Combination energy gel, chamois cream, and tire sealant.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Combination energy gel, chamois cream and tire sealant.
    It's called "Suck It, Spread It, Plug It".

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    Quote Originally Posted by oclvframe View Post
    Been using it since I got my first oclv Trek back in '93. It was a Trek 5200.
    Back in the good old days , when all frames were built in Waterloo !
    Boost 500 - can't wait

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    Link to Road Bike article - has an instagram video of the new material

    Also says its been 30 years since Trek released their first carbon frame

    https://roadbikeaction.com/trek-clai...cling-forever/

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Tech View Post
    Link to Road Bike article - has an instagram video of the new material

    Also says its been 30 years since Trek released their first carbon frame

    https://roadbikeaction.com/trek-clai...cling-forever/
    That "article" is an advertisment
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    So Mitch - answer this.
    If I buy one, will I break it? (Assuming it is bike/frame related)
    Feel free to look up my warranty history. I've broken every single frame I've ever bought.

    Will this hoverbike survive me?

    (Yes, I have broken every bike, I am surprised Trek still sells me bikes!)

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    When I watched that vid, it looked like a printing roller in reverse, with a spinning mandrel picking up the material into a tube shape. Thick pattern where material's needed, thin for areas not needing it.

    I suppose it'll cost ya less to break 'em, considering the construction looks automated, if this is true. Maybe some handwork for lugs... green material might be "eco" and less expensive too. Bamboo pulp + resin? xD

    Amusing, and perhaps ironic, because I see it as them purposely adding air/voids into the material, juxtaposing their efforts to reduce voids with carbon compaction. Just the way the future is headed, orienting materials on a close-to-molecular level to be bonded into micro-structures, rather than just compacting things into something solid and perhaps using heating/cooling to affect the molecular orientation.

    BTW, thanks for sharing that link G-Tech. I don't follow social media, since it takes up so much of my time, so first time seeing it.

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    Lower your expectations folks.

    Seems like a mistake for Trek to hype this so much. But here we are talking about it, so what do I know.

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    I'm almost certain whatever this breakthrough is it will not convince me to buy a trek, but still, you have to give them some credit for trying to make a change that could possibly benefit us all. A lot of hate and disappointment here for something no one here has ever experienced.

    Heck, I don't have to try cauliflower to know I don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    I'm almost certain whatever this breakthrough is it will not convince me to buy a trek, but still, you have to give them some credit for trying to make a change that could possibly benefit us all. A lot of hate and disappointment here for something no one here has ever experienced.

    Heck, I don't have to try cauliflower to know I don't like it.
    Dealers got a heads up........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Squirrel View Post
    Dealers got a heads up........
    What does that mean? Trek dealers are saying this is bogus? That's bad business

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    What does that mean? Trek dealers are saying this is bogus? That's bad business
    Maybe dealers are just more realistic......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Squirrel View Post
    Maybe dealers are just more realistic......
    I'd expect dealers to over hype a new product or feature. Discrediting the product they sell doesn't seem like a good way make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    I'd expect dealers to over hype a new product or feature. Discrediting the product they sell doesn't seem like a good way make money.
    They're "discrediting" the consumer hype/speculation. They're being realistic with the product. Seems rational to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    They're "discrediting" the consumer hype/speculation. They're being realistic with the product. Seems rational to me.
    Its the consumers hyping this up not Trek? Trek did send out an email saying to expect something big in a few weeks. Seems to me like Trek shot themselves in the foot here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    Its the consumers hyping this up not Trek? Trek did send out an email saying to expect something big in a few weeks. Seems to me like Trek shot themselves in the foot here.
    "A change like this comes once every 30 years"

    If we were in the sushi industry, a change like this would be the equivalent of greener seaweed paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Squirrel View Post
    "A change like this comes once every 30 years"

    If we were in the sushi industry, a change like this would be the equivalent of greener seaweed paper.
    I like my fish cooked, how does this cross over to the biking industry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    I like my fish cooked, how does this cross over to the biking industry?
    You'll see on the 19th I guess.

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    I heard that it is a new frame material with photovoltaic capacity sufficient to recharge your e-bike.

    I know a guy who works @ a Trek store....just sayin'.
    Bicycles don't have motors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    What does that mean? Trek dealers are saying this is bogus? That's bad business

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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    I heard that it is a new frame material with photovoltaic capacity sufficient to recharge your e-bike.

    I know a guy who works @ a Trek store....just sayin'.
    If that is the case, I'd say that's pretty big. I don't own an e-bike but I'm sure I will at some point in my life.

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    My guess is graphene.

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    When I see the picture, combined with the truss tube demo I saw a bit back, it makes me think of an exoskeleton type frame with some sort of core in it. Like a damping material, in the case of the picture, green.

    Project 1 bikes with customizable frame fill! (Add $2100 to make it colored, instead of black! )
    "Go soothingly in the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNoChain View Post
    You will be disappointed. Extremly disappointed.
    Way to use your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfxc View Post
    Way to use your head.
    Easy now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    When I see the picture, combined with the truss tube demo I saw a bit back, it makes me think of an exoskeleton type frame with some sort of core in it. Like a damping material, in the case of the picture
    Are you thinking similar to a surfboards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    Are you thinking similar to a surfboards?
    I don't know. I don't surf!

    I could believe it is very important for cycling, but not like has been theorized.
    Treks wording on the ad I think is well chosen.

    That said, some sort of truss tube setup, with elastomer/foam/rubbery or some other form of internal filler material might allow a ridiculously compliant frame. Use the fill as a damping material, with an exoskeleton of graphene/graphite in a lattice work, like external rebar. It would maintain the structure, form, and strength. Not so sure about impact capability, but now I'm in the realm of pie in the sky I'm sure, but hey, wouldn't that be interesting!!


    A campaign of mystery, intrigue, nuance, and anticipation is ONLY beneficial IF the product released truly IS something people will get behind, and truly is groundbreaking, and can live up to the hype. Whether that hype is community induced, ad induced, or whatever. If it fails to meet the (even unintentional) hype, it's not good.
    I think back to the release of XBOX's Halo 5. It was advertised and billed as a major storyline, and ended up being the biggest bunch of bollocks in gaming. It practically killed the game for many people, and soured the vast, vast majority of people against the developer.

    If this new thing isn't what a massive community is building it up to be, I think Trek would need to squash the inaccuracies and at least steer people in the right direction.
    Hype is one thing, hyper-hype is like the boy who cried wolf.....
    "Go soothingly in the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon"

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    It a bluetooth speaker built into the frame
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    Maybe it's Trek's version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqa2oG5Uhys

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    Recall the official Trek Guy's post: https://forums.mtbr.com/trek/what-em...l#post14006480

    " Let's just say, it is something for everyone and it will change a standard that has been accepted for years."


    It's that first part, "something for everyone", that really constrains the possibilities assuming it's accurate and if you consider Trek's full lineup ranging from balance bikes to pedal-forward E-cruisers.

    Maybe it's not accurate in that everyone in this context means all mtbers, but even that's hugely broad considering the range of mtbs Trek sells. The only thing I can think of that might span toddlers on balance bikes to grandma on her cruiser are helmets.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Recall the official Trek Guy's post: https://forums.mtbr.com/trek/what-em...l#post14006480

    " Let's just say, it is something for everyone and it will change a standard that has been accepted for years."


    It's that first part, "something for everyone", that really constrains the possibilities assuming it's accurate and if you consider Trek's full lineup ranging from balance bikes to pedal-forward E-cruisers.

    Maybe it's not accurate in that everyone in this context means all mtbers, but even that's hugely broad considering the range of mtbs Trek sells. The only thing I can think of that might span toddlers on balance bikes to grandma on her cruiser are helmets.
    Let's not forget Bontrager. They are Trek, but not bikes. It does say "CYCLING'S" biggest change. Very non specific, and may not specifically be "Trek".

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    Don't think anyone else here has mentioned seeing it this way.

    What was that email about? 3.19.2019?-qcxgrmp.jpg

    Instagram video source for reference: https://www.instagram.com/p/BueVOvklGWd/

    Like cutting an adhesive vinyl decal, that has the adhesive on the outside, and putting it back on a roll to form an intricate mini-truss 3D design that's strong enough to be a bike part. xD Just change out the material for something more structural (preferably eco friendly)...

    I dunno... maybe one roller prints out 1 layer of the basic reinforcing material (nano-based stuff?), the backing goes over an area where 1 side gets baked on the underside after getting epoxy treatment, and then gets "stacked" on the other end to get turned into a bike part, in a very controlled manner. Maybe the slight misalignment as the stacked end grows in diameter, creates a cool slanted tapered effect that is not undesirable.

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    3D printing of frames or its new pedals

    according to the drunk Trek rep l was talking to anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg View Post
    3D printing of frames or its new pedals

    according to the drunk Trek rep l was talking to anyway
    He wasn't drunk enough to let it slip. Try harder next time LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    Let's not forget Bontrager. They are Trek, but not bikes....
    Bontrager is the brand of Trek's helmets spanning toddlers to geriatric folk like me.

    I'm just focusing on what the resident Trek Guy said, "It's something for everyone." If that's true, what can it be? Even my favorite idea, combo energy gel/chamois cream/tire sealant, wouldn't meet that criterion.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Bontrager is the brand of Trek's helmets spanning toddlers to geriatric folk like me.

    I'm just focusing on what the resident Trek Guy said, "It's something for everyone." If that's true, what can it be? Even my favorite idea, combo energy gel/chamois cream/tire sealant, wouldn't meet that criterion.
    The "something for everyone" thing makes me wonder. I'm betting it will have been a bit overhyped but still... interesting.

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    Going beyond carbon neutral, and going net positive, would literally be for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Bontrager is the brand of Trek's helmets spanning toddlers to geriatric folk like me.

    I'm just focusing on what the resident Trek Guy said, "It's something for everyone." If that's true, what can it be? Even my favorite idea, combo energy gel/chamois cream/tire sealant, wouldn't meet that criterion.
    Hah, that energy gel/chamois cream/tire sealant guess was GROSS! :-)

    But, have to say, I made some sarcastic guesses about the 3/19 news but it was just for fun. Not ripping on Trek. I love my '18 Emonda road bike and never ride my classic Merckx since getting the Emonda. And I think Trek's idea of the hard-tail xc mtb with isoflex was pretty cool. So, I like Trek and I really am curious about 3/19, but it's always fun to make some sarcastic guesses on the interweb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Bontrager is the brand of Trek's helmets spanning toddlers to geriatric folk like me.

    I'm just focusing on what the resident Trek Guy said, "It's something for everyone." If that's true, what can it be? Even my favorite idea, combo energy gel/chamois cream/tire sealant, wouldn't meet that criterion.

    I run a Bontrager helmet.
    I like them.

    Here's one thing I'm curious about though. That lower left area of the picture. If it has something to do with helmets, that looks like the curvature of one.

    How about some sort of carbon exoskeleton over a new liner? Think about it. Helmets have been nothing but styrofoam for decades. There were improvements, but nothing drastic. You had Roc-Loc for stability, ventilation improvements, internal reinforcement, and now, whats the latest and greatest? 6D and MIPS.
    I could see a carbon/graphene style exoskeleton over a new liner, with some sort of built in system to replace MIPS. This is of course, assuming thats what it is.
    I don't personally believe the MIPS is a big deal. I'd rather have a stable helmet, than a "slip plane" that lets it roll on my head. So, build it into the helmet, like a 6D. Add a carbon exoskeleton (instead of the plastic outer shell) and you can SERIOUSLY increase ventilation, while maintaining the structure of the helmet.


    That would fit the bill of "cyclings most important change". A change in safety as we know it, and it also fits the bill of "something for everyone" as someone said earlier.


    ***EDIT - I just did an evolutionary check-
    From wikipedia - (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycl...ory_of_designs)
    ...The first commercially successful purpose-designed bicycle helmet was the Bell Biker, a polystyrene-lined hard shell released in 1975.
    ...
    ... by 1983 Bell were making the V1-Pro, the first polystyrene helmet intended for racing use. In 1984 Bell produced the Lil Bell Shell, a no-shell children's helmet. These early helmets had little ventilation...
    ...
    Around 1990 a new construction technique was invented: in-mould micro shell. A very thin shell was incorporated during the moulding process. This rapidly became the dominant technology, allowing for larger vents and more complex shapes than hard shells.
    ....
    The late 1990s and early 2000s saw advances in retention and fitting systems, with cradles which adjust precisely to the rider's head, replacing the old system of varying thickness pads.
    ....
    Since more advanced helmets began being used in the Tour de France, carbon fiber inserts are often used to increase strength and protection of the helmet.
    1990's? Thats nearly 30 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Squirrel View Post
    He wasn't drunk enough to let it slip. Try harder next time LOL.
    oh you caught me,
    he really said that its 25" wheels, speed/flickability of 26 with the roll over of 24
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    Tomorrow....

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver bob View Post
    Tomorrow....
    Will break the internet

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    Wouldn't surprise me if it was helmet safety related. Specialized launches angi, Trek is probably following that line

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Wouldn't surprise me if it was helmet safety related. Specialized launches angi, Trek is probably following that line
    Lol Angi....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Wouldn't surprise me if it was helmet safety related. Specialized launches angi, Trek is probably following that line
    I have spent awhile looking for the article but cannot find it. A few days ago, my wife encountered an article about helmet tech that said the first bicycle helmet with the new tech will come from a company whose name "rhymes with this ogre" followed by a picture of shrek.

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    I hope its another "standard'
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    While reading the Megatower launch article on Bike mag a "Bontrager Wavecel helmet" ad appeared... but clicking on it didn't bring anywhere. So, the biggest revolution of cycling in 30 years is a new helmet?! Meh...

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    On treks site it now says " Most important change in 30 years in cycling the 20/3" roughly translated from Swedish. So they just postponed it for another day??

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    I guess it's official now:

    Bontrager Introduces Wavecell Helmet Technology - If MIPS and Koroyd Had a Baby https://www.bikemag.com/gear/apparel...et-technology/

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    Ha ha! Itís a helmet!

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    Suckers

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    Well that's incredibly disappointing.
    I no longer like to party. But I like the idea of it.

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    How many bottle mounts does the Wavecell have?
    -DC, just some XC Bum in Sfla...

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    I called it last night haha

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    All that hype.... for that?

    Makes me not want to buy a Trek or Bontrager anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smitty39 View Post
    All that hype.... for that?

    Makes me not want to buy a Trek or Bontrager anything.
    Trek would have been much better off just saying "Hey, check out our new helmet" vs 2 weeks of hype followed by disappointment.

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    MIPS was game changing in helmet tech and all that blah blah blah.

    Trek's clickbaity headline was underwhelming at the least bit.

    Instead of just saying ," Hey guys, we have a new helmet tech that we think is really neat, come check us out", they went to say, "Best thing since sliced bread!!!!"

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    Wow Trek can suck it, that was insulting at least

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    Lots of hate and I wonder how many of you have had a severe concussion. I was disappointed at first but started to think about how helmets haven't changed, but the speed, jumps, and technical riding certainly has. IF their claims of reduced concussions to 1.8% of crashes is true, then good for them, that is indeed noteworthy.

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    I don't think anyone is hating on the new helmet tech. New helmet tech is always welcomed. They just hate the way the product was released with a lot of hush hush and press embargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    I don't think anyone is hating on the new helmet tech. New helmet tech is always welcomed. They just hate the way the product was released with a lot of hush hush and press embargo.
    Welcome to the bike industry, you must be new here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshandhisbikes View Post
    Welcome to the bike industry, you must be new here.
    Thanks. Just picked up my bike last month. I'm really liking this mountain bicycling thing

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    I am sure that new Technology is great and really works. But the Overall aesthetic design is kinda meh and leaves much to be desired.

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    so is the big new thing the $299 helmet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newking View Post
    so is the big new thing the $299 helmet?
    ..that reduces the risk of concussion to less than 2% if you bang your noggin.

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    I don't find this disappointing at all actually.

    Sure, I was expecting some new tech gadgetry that improved my bike, but I think they are right. I think this is and will continue to be a very big deal. As someone who has had 2 bike related concussions Id easily spend the extra money for one of these and feel pretty good about it.

    The pricing is actually pretty competitive as well compared to say a Giro Aether or the like. Impressed they even put it in a $150 dollar model as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oab1 View Post
    I don't find this disappointing at all actually.

    Sure, I was expecting some new tech gadgetry that improved my bike, but I think they are right. I think this is and will continue to be a very big deal. As someone who has had 2 bike related concussions Id easily spend the extra money for one of these and feel pretty good about it.

    The pricing is actually pretty competitive as well compared to say a Giro Aether or the like. Impressed they even put it in a $150 dollar model as well.
    Agreed.

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    Pretty big in the case of people like Dave Mirra and a lot of full contact athletes. Hopefully they make a deal with football and hockey companies.


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    I am disappointed that Trek doesn't have a kids version at the launch. My 4.5yr old son suffered a concussion while running around a basketball gym. Watch your kid or any kid on video getting a concussion and you'll change your tune about new helmet tech. When the kids helmets are available, I'm ditching the MIPS GIRO helmet he has and getting this new Trek helmet.


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    Initially I was a bit disappointed. I was hoping for something to make bikes 100% more awesome. BUT.... after thinking about it I can really appreciate how this can impact our riding. As this tech trickles down and becomes more main stream, it can really make a dent in brain related trauma and keep us all on bikes longer and more safely. More riding is a good thing. More riding because my brain is functional.... might even be revolutionary if the 1.8% claim has merit.

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    Spoke with Trek customer service. No details on a kids helmet release date. To me, that would have been an easy sale at $100-$150.

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    I knew it was helmet related yesterday. I was at a Trek dealer and we were ordering parts. I was looking at the computer screen and the employee flicked past a screen that showed the image we've all seen today. I didn't say anything at the time, but I knew...

    I would have loved some new amazing frame material or layup process, but I actually think this is pretty cool....

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    I was hoping for an E-manual system.
    Consciousness, that annoying time between bike rides.

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    Not to brag (too much) but I called it back in post #141.
    Do the math.

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    Wavecel and Megatower > A week I wanna forget.
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    Hey folks, just want to let you know we will have more helmets being released in the future including kids helmets!

    Also, if you have any technical Qs, they can likely be answered by reading THIS
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnD View Post
    Wavecel and Megatower > A week I wanna forget.
    Take a good spill without a wavecel and you'll forget all about it.

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    Trek, if your gonna hype the crap out of something at least make it hype worthy.

    Was there a problem with existing helmets? As far as I know our existing helmets have been saving our lives (and heads).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VERT1 View Post
    Trek, if your gonna hype the crap out of something at least make it hype worthy.

    Was there a problem with existing helmets? As far as I know our existing helmets have been saving our lives (and heads).

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    We believe your brain is more (or just as) important as a new bike. And this is an important development to us that we wanted to make sure as many people were aware of.

    Our past helmets were great, but there is always room for improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VERT1 View Post
    Trek, if your gonna hype the crap out of something at least make it hype worthy.

    Was there a problem with existing helmets? As far as I know our existing helmets have been saving our lives (and heads).

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    While I agree that the marketing dept screwed up in the hype department, I am really happy to see companies innovating on helmet tech and striving to do better.

    This study came out last year

    https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2018/...etratings.html

    And I think it is a step in the right direction. The cpsc test was a pass/fail arrangement, so nobody was looking at whether helmets could be made safer, or even which helmets were safer than others.

    Recent coverage about CTE, repeated low level brain impacts, especially with regards to youth sports (heads-up tackling in football, prohibitions on headers in youth soccer, etc) has pushed helmet companies to start working on making helmets better. MIPS was a great first step. But that's all it is. Still possible to do better. So after MIPS, companies continued to innovate. Competing safety systems, tech to combine with MIPS, etc. All good. More protective helmets is always worth striving towards.

    I am a bit disappointed in the styling of the new Bontrager helmets. The only one I'd be willing to wear is a $300 model. It's a shame that one of the $150 models doesn't look better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch@Trek View Post
    We believe your brain is more (or just as) important as a new bike. And this is an important development to us that we wanted to make sure as many people were aware of.

    Our past helmets were great, but there is always room for improvement.
    Exactly. Bike tech is great! But safety innovation that really moves the chains forward allowing to enjoy this sport longer and more safely is equally significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zgxtreme View Post
    Exactly. Bike tech is great! But safety innovation that really moves the chains forward allowing to enjoy this sport longer and more safely is equally significant.
    this is a double edged sword my friend
    not that l have a "plan" to die, but my semi plan was to do it on the bike, that is doing something that l love, given that dying while "doing" the missus may traument her somewhat, l figured dying while doing something else l love might be cool, ie on the bike, now Trek go and make that only a 2% chance, which means l have a 98% chance of dying doing something boring........ well l say "fruck you" Trek for trying to interfere with my life (or end of it anyway)
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    Man, all this hype for a new helmet is so lame. Similar to saying a new air pump is going to revolutionize bicycling. Helmets are just a necessary nuisance related to the sport, not something to get at all excited about.
    Have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg View Post
    this is a double edged sword my friend
    not that l have a "plan" to die, but my semi plan was to do it on the bike, that is doing something that l love, given that dying while "doing" the missus may traument her somewhat, l figured dying while doing something else l love might be cool, ie on the bike, now Trek go and make that only a 2% chance, which means l have a 98% chance of dying doing something boring........ well l say "fruck you" Trek for trying to interfere with my life (or end of it anyway)
    Don't wear a helmet. Wear black clothes and go ride at night in the street. Problem solved

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch@Trek View Post
    We believe your brain is more (or just as) important as a new bike. And this is an important development to us that we wanted to make sure as many people were aware of.

    Our past helmets were great, but there is always room for improvement.
    Your marketing department undermined future ďrealĒ game changers. Is MIPS 30 years old? No. This is may be better, or not. Canít say because they cherry picked their data to get a big number to flaunt (48).

    That isnít to say this new helmet isnít better or even the best, but if yuh are going to really hype something...make it really something. Now Trek marketing is white noise to this consumer.
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    Full face enduro helmet (similar to my Fox Proframe) wiith this new technology and some BT speakers installed and i'm such a buyer, at any price.

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    I wanted something more futuristic... dang. If it were gonna be a helmet, it should've been one of the smart ones. I swear I'll keep it charged up!

    I also am after a full face with a more open mouth guard. BT sounds cool too, not just for music but for all sorts of things. Rear camera feed being projected onto a visor sounds good for so many things.

    Still, impressive results on injury risk mitigation in that study, compared to that Scott helmet. Reminds me that EPS foam is quite pricey when formed into a helmet... xD

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