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    I understand these are shipping this week from the first batch of orders back in July for selected sizes/models. Who's got one coming and how does it compare to your current XC bike? Sitting with my '18 Top Fuel 9.9 for now but watching you Supercaliber owners closely...
    -DC, just some XC Bum from FL in NW Arkansas

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    Ordered the 9.9. My ETA is 12/9 though for some reason.
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    Looks like a shop in South FL got a 9.9 in today:
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    Waiting to photos with frame weight


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    I was told 21.0# for the one in that video as it sits.
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    My LBS has one on the floor for the last 2 weeks.
    They have 4 more coming in the next 1-2 weeks for their Demo fleet. I am hoping to get one to take out for the weekend to test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent701 View Post
    My LBS has one on the floor for the last 2 weeks.
    They have 4 more coming in the next 1-2 weeks for their Demo fleet. I am hoping to get one to take out for the weekend to test.
    Looking forward to your impressions!

    For me, how it compares to a HT, especially.
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    Tagging for updates

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Looking forward to your impressions!

    For me, how it compares to a HT, especially.
    I'll report back. One of the owners is gonna text me when they have shipped so I can get my name down for a weekend demo.
    They have 5 bike and 2 frames coming as of now.
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    I'm looking forward to trying one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent701 View Post
    I'll report back. One of the owners is gonna text me when they have shipped so I can get my name down for a weekend demo.
    They have 5 bike and 2 frames coming as of now.
    What does trek say about the capabilities? Condition rating 3 or 4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    What does trek say about the capabilities? Condition rating 3 or 4?
    It would be rated as Condition 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    It would be rated as Condition 3
    Does the industry do any real testing on this aspect or is it more of a off the cuff rating due to travel and whatnot? Specialized Epic and Stumpjumper are both condition 4 bikes but who knows what that really means vs a trek rating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpowa View Post
    I was told 21.0# for the one in that video as it sits.
    Did they happen to mention what size I was? Trying to figure out how much more over the medium weight the L is going to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Does the industry do any real testing on this aspect or is it more of a off the cuff rating due to travel and whatnot? Specialized Epic and Stumpjumper are both condition 4 bikes but who knows what that really means vs a trek rating?
    To my understanding, these are set in the industry as a whole and the conditions are across all brands - my assumption is this was set by the CPSC or similar. If you check out the conditions on the chart in our owners manual, it depends on the conditions of the bike for it to call under one or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsills View Post
    Did they happen to mention what size I was? Trying to figure out how much more over the medium weight the L is going to be
    It's a 17.5 Medium
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    I'll have a Supercaliber Dec 6-8 to play with
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent701 View Post
    I'll have a Supercaliber Dec 6-8 to play with
    Congrats

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    I'm going to receive this week my supercaliber with 9.7 frame and the rest of the pieces of the 9.9 AXS. Before riding the bike I'm going to weigh the frame


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ortziomenaka View Post
    I'm going to receive this week my supercaliber with 9.7 frame and the rest of the pieces of the 9.9 AXS. Before riding the bike I'm going to weigh the frame


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    what size frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent701 View Post
    what size frame?
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    No offense, but a 0.5 mile on-road test ride doesn't mean much.

    Edit: deleted original quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgoods View Post
    No offense, but a 0.5 mile on-road test ride doesn't mean much.
    I don't think it does either (and decided to delete that post), but it was all I could get the bike shop to allow us. It just kind of surprised me because I was expecting to fall in love with it (I think the design concept is a great idea).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
    ... (and decided to delete that post)....
    The one that's quoted in post #23?
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    The one that's quoted in post #23?
    Yes. (I think it was getting quoted at the same time I was having second thoughts about the post. The report is accurate, but I am not sure it means much, if anything, and I was worried it came off as a troll.)

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    I'm interested in this bike... looking forward to some unbiased long term reviews. The question for me is it different enough from a high-end XC hardtail (which I have now) to justify N+1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgoods View Post
    No offense, but a 0.5 mile on-road test ride doesn't mean much.

    Edit: deleted original quote.
    I dunno. I test road a bunch of bikes, jumped on le top fuel and knew in 20í

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    Quote Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
    Yes. (I think it was getting quoted at the same time I was having second thoughts about the post. The report is accurate, but I am not sure it means much, if anything, and I was worried it came off as a troll.)
    Not really. If seatstay flex is part of the travel, it's going to be part of the travel with the shock locked out.

    But at the same time, if it was that bad, world cup racers would be riding Top Fuels with custom rear shocks and 100mm forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richde View Post
    Not really. If seatstay flex is part of the travel, it's going to be part of the travel with the shock locked out.

    But at the same time, if it was that bad, world cup racers would be riding Top Fuels with custom rear shocks and 100mm forks.
    Well maybe. Seems to be the supercaliber was designed to be the World Cup XC race bike. The idea is that is faster than HT Procaliber and longer travel Top Fuel. I don't think I saw the new Top fuel in any World Cup XC races. I do know HT was raced at least a few time by Emily Batty. Neff was on Supercaliber.

    The Flex seat stays will flex for sure even when locked out. No way around that. The challenge with this bike is that it is different and being different to me means that it will take some time really determine how good it is or is not. With a more traditional design it is simpler to know where to test things to see how it works. You come in expecting things and there test to see them. In that case a 0.5 mile paved climb might be enough. With this it probably can't tell the entire story. I might not be as good a HT or locked FS 100mm bike on that situation, but other than sprint finish there are not that many places you hit climbs like that. Even "smooth" dirt road climbs have imperfections that the minimal travel of rear stays might conform to and make it magic. Or maybe not. Again since this design is so different the normal test points and factors may not apply. I personally am not looking at buying one of these, but I am interested in the technology and how it works in practice. Plus I have friend who might be interested. It really is too bad this has been delayed so long. First we saw it raced a good part of season this year before release. Then finally it was released and while there were a few bikes for press use it seems like very few if any have gone into consumer's hands or even lower level sponsored riders.
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    Yesterday first ride


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    Good! what do you think? tell us please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Load View Post
    Good! what do you think? tell us please!
    Previously I had a top fuel 9.9. Much more agile and rigid than top fuel and when you start the descent the shock works very well and is comfortable. A very well-compensated bike


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ortziomenaka View Post
    Previously I had a top fuel 9.9. Much more agile and rigid than top fuel and when you start the descent the shock works very well and is comfortable. A very well-compensated bike


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    very happy to read your impression!
    i previously had an Epic swork 2018 .
    i ordered a 9.9 early in september but at the moment,in italy, nobody has it.
    i hope it will arrive before the end of the year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Load View Post
    very happy to read your impression!
    i previously had an Epic swork 2018 .
    i ordered a 9.9 early in september but at the moment,in italy, nobody has it.
    i hope it will arrive before the end of the year...
    I bought a 9.7 and kept the frame and the rest I sold it because It had good top fuel pieces. I haven't reduced the weight compared to the top fuel but the set shows incredible agility and reactivity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ortziomenaka View Post
    I bought a 9.7 and kept the frame and the rest I sold it because It had good top fuel pieces. I haven't reduced the weight compared to the top fuel but the set shows incredible agility and reactivity.


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    in fact I don't think it will be lighter than the epic. I hope not to exceed 10 kg with pedals but the most important thing is that it is good to pedal.
    I hope someone else posts his impressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Load View Post
    in fact I don't think it will be lighter than the epic. I hope not to exceed 10 kg with pedals but the most important thing is that it is good to pedal.
    I hope someone else posts his impressions.
    Mine with the same mount 9.9 axs with pedals 10kg with both Bontrager xr3 2.20


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    Looks like it is up on Project a one...

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    Does someone had a Scott Spark RC and gets a Supercaliber?

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    Maybe this question belongs on the Singlespeed site, but would this new Supercaliber work as a Singlespeed FS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushman3 View Post
    Maybe this question belongs on the Singlespeed site, but would this new Supercaliber work as a Singlespeed FS?
    I believe it would work just like a Top Fuel in that you'd need a tensioner to go SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpowa View Post
    I believe it would work just like a Top Fuel in that you'd need a tensioner to go SS.
    A tensioner is a must for most SS applications. But we have not tested singlespeed applications with our full suspension models like the Supercaliber.
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    2020 Trek Supercaliber Official Post-20191213_142809.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    A tensioner is a must for most SS applications. But we have not tested singlespeed applications with our full suspension models like the Supercaliber.
    I'm hoping the next Procaliber has Stranglehold dropouts, my Superfly SS is getting long in tooth...
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    ^^^ would still need a tensioner on a rear suspension bike.
    Do the math.

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    ^^^ Both beautiful bikes. Nice job getting your LBS logo front and center in the shot, MMMhills!
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    Hi,

    Got a new SC 9.9 (Medium) a week ago. Weight from the factory was 9.69kg (no pedals). After new tires (2.25 ray/ralph), trim some carbon, ~2.5-3 Oz sealant per tire, the weight is now 9.47kg (no pedals).

    The bike rides well here in SoCal for such short travel. I really don't need the lockout. Anti squat is very good (as expected). Just enough suspension to take out the harshness. My other bike is a Giant Anthem Advanced 29 pro 0 which is a very good XC machine. For me, this bike is a little bit faster on the flats and uphill. About the same on the downhill.
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    My supercaliber 9.7 converted in 9.9 AXS.


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    PSA: Just a note that I tried an oval 32t chain ring on my SC9.9. The chain was too close to the chain stay to be usable in the highest gear (10t). Currently using an oval 34t chain ring and it is okay.

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    Hello.

    Does supercaliber have a push-to-lock or push-to-unlock suspension lockout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forward View Post
    Hello.

    Does supercaliber have a push-to-lock or push-to-unlock suspension lockout?
    Push to lock


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    XL frame out of the box.

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    2020 Trek Supercaliber Official Post

    XL - 22lb built up with XX1 AXS, DUB XX1 172.5 crankset, XXX wheels bars and seat post, Ultimate brakes, Fox 32sc, Power Arc Elaston saddle, XTR pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    XL - 22lb built up with XX1 AXS, DUB XX1 172.5 crankset, XXX wheels bars and seat post, Ultimate brakes, Fox 32sc, Power Arc Elaston saddle, XTR pedals.
    An awesome build. I'm working on a similar one with Enve M525 wheels.

    How do you like the Guide Ultimate brakes? I'm leaning XTR as I've had great success with them over the years and like being able to do a "quick bleed". Its helpful after travel to clear any air bubbles that can develop from changing altitude.

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    Any more comments on how the bike rides?


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    Any beta on rear tire clearance on this bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    XL - 22lb built up with XX1 AXS, DUB XX1 172.5 crankset, XXX wheels bars and seat post, Ultimate brakes, Fox 32sc, Power Arc Elaston saddle, XTR pedals.
    When you get a chance can you post a few pics of the XL ? Particularly a side view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushman3 View Post
    Any beta on rear tire clearance on this bike?
    I inquired with the trek online tech support and they said that a 2.35 Bontrager XR2 would fit. I saw a bike in a local shop and my take is that 2.35 racing tires will fit just fine. It is likely that Trek is playing it safe since there is so much variation in actual tire widths.

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    Yes a 2.35 tire will fit. The reason they say smaller is to account for wheel flex and tires that dont measure correct. If you go over the recommended tire size you will want to make sure your wheel is stiff enough to handle your weight/terrain/riding style as flex could cause damage to your frame.

    I have been running tires too wide (per Trek) on my Domane set up for gravel for 3 years and never have had tire rub once But I have very stiff wheels (I keep spoke tension correct) I weigh 160 and I ride smooth.
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    The Supercaliber webpage and trek online support say this bike has a weight rating of 300lbs including the bike. That leaves room for a geared up rider at 270ish lbs. Iím a little doubtful of that rating even at my svelt 230lbs ...Should I even consider this frame at my weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuttermax View Post
    An awesome build. I'm working on a similar one with Enve M525 wheels.

    How do you like the Guide Ultimate brakes? I'm leaning XTR as I've had great success with them over the years and like being able to do a "quick bleed". Its helpful after travel to clear any air bubbles that can develop from changing altitude.
    I had cheaper guide brakes and wasnít a fan, switched to XTR and they were terrible. The ultimates are awesome, currently running galfer rotors with Sram Semi metallic pads. Great setup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkeykongchamp View Post
    When you get a chance can you post a few pics of the XL ? Particularly a side view.
    I havenít had a chance to ride it yet. Built it a couple days before vacation and we have snow and ice as of this week.


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    Quote Originally Posted by john_bikeguy View Post
    Hi,

    Got a new SC 9.9 (Medium) a week ago. Weight from the factory was 9.69kg (no pedals). After new tires (2.25 ray/ralph), trim some carbon, ~2.5-3 Oz sealant per tire, the weight is now 9.47kg (no pedals).

    The bike rides well here in SoCal for such short travel. I really don't need the lockout. Anti squat is very good (as expected). Just enough suspension to take out the harshness. My other bike is a Giant Anthem Advanced 29 pro 0 which is a very good XC machine. For me, this bike is a little bit faster on the flats and uphill. About the same on the downhill.
    I live in SoCal as well. Can you explain a bit more how it compares to your Giant, which I believe is 90mm travel in rear, in terms of ride and soaking up bumps etc.
    This frame is so great looking and the tech seems very appealing but I wonder how it rides compared to a 100 or 90mm. Currently riding a Scott Scale hardtail and evaluating full sus options. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    I havenít had a chance to ride it yet. Built it a couple days before vacation and we have snow and ice as of this week.

    the bike looks great. have fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by MXIV424 View Post
    The Supercaliber webpage and trek online support say this bike has a weight rating of 300lbs including the bike. That leaves room for a geared up rider at 270ish lbs. Iím a little doubtful of that rating even at my svelt 230lbs ...Should I even consider this frame at my weight?
    Today I test rode an Epic, then supercaliber, then procaliber, in that order. Very brief ride on each, but I will say the SC was closer to the PC than the epic, and as cool as it is, just isnít for me. I will be in the market for one when my oldest is big enough to move onto a small 29er!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkeykongchamp View Post
    the bike looks great. have fun
    Thanks!

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    I'm officially on the order list for a Supercaliber 9.9, XX1. I previously had an '18 ProCal 9.9RSL and '18 TopFuel 9.9RSL and sold them both to get this bike.

    I generally preferred the ProCal as it just felt faster to me, but every time I rode the TopFuel, the cush and added traction it provided felt great - albeit I never truly felt "faster" on it. I'm hoping the talk is true that the SuperCal will combine the best of both worlds. Hardtail speed, with a little cush/give. To me, it sounds like the perfect bike for most riding our groups do out here in the Midwest/Michigan.

    Weights for my ProCal and TopFuel (both 18.5" frame and w/ eggbeater pedals) were 20lbs. and 22lbs. respectively. The ProCal had Schwalbe G-One's on it and the TopFuel had Schwalbe Racing Ron/Ralph tires, both sets tubeless. It sounds like 21lbs. for the SuperCal in a similar configuration is a realistic expectation.

    Scheduled arrival date from my LBS is May. I would have liked to have ordered sooner, but $$ was the determining factor. With Barry Roubaix coming up in April, I might be running in the fat bike class for that race!

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    Ordered a frame here. Showing estimated arrival March 9.
    Going to do a somewhat "unconventional" or older tech build.

    My one enduro bike has AXS, and my one other bike is Di2.
    Going to build this up with the older tech 11 speed Di2 instead of 12 speed. Just feel like the Di2 is more refined and crisper than the AXS, and honestly, ridiculously cheaper. Don't feel like I want the massive cassette either. Better on a XC bike to run a tighter ratio, and even just buy an 11-40, 11-42 and an 11-46 cassette, and still be cheaper than the 12 speed.

    Anxious to try it out when I get it built up!
    "Go soothingly in the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon"

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