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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    I own the bike, and it seems to pedal very well. Certainly better than my Slash. I've been down the ladder with VRs, from the stock 0.4 to 0.2 to none, just experimenting.

    No surprise, it pedals best with the 0.4 VR, and still very occasionally uses full travel at recommended sag. I may throw in the 0.6, just to see how it feels. I suspect it would be the go-to setup for actual racing.
    I agree this thing pedals really well. I am beating all of my old climbing times. Everytime I hit a trail for the first time with this bike, it is a PB. I am light so am running no spacer right now (per our recent conversation). I may toss in the .2 just to see how that feels tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yarbrough462 View Post
    I agree this thing pedals really well. I am beating all of my old climbing times. Everytime I hit a trail for the first time with this bike, it is a PB. I am light so am running no spacer right now (per our recent conversation). I may toss in the .2 just to see how that feels tonight.
    I am also finding the bike to be an excellent climber. Surprisingly good in fact. Granted I built mine up very light, but even so it's impressive for 115mm/120mm. Coming off a 2019 TF 9.9, and not finding any significant difference at all in climbing times. One slight oddity I found with the shock during setup was that it sags into its travel quite a bit (around 31%) at what I found to be the correct pressure. I am having to run a little lighter rebound to compensate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatrider View Post
    One slight oddity I found with the shock during setup was that it sags into its travel quite a bit (around 31%) at what I found to be the correct pressure. I am having to run a little lighter rebound to compensate.
    I at least think that this is a characteristic of the EVOL Fox rear shocks. They tend to want to sag down to that level, even as you increase pressure.

    NOTE: I moved this discussion to the end of the thread, so we don't have to go digging around in the middle of page 2. Seems appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomac18 View Post
    What is it?
    Looks like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Going to give that a try.

    Never seen it before. Thanks for the heads up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Going to give that a try.

    Never seen it before. Thanks for the heads up!
    they have some on amazon usa, think only 4 left
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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    they have some on amazon usa, think only 4 left
    Thanks to me, only 3 left now.

    Free delivery tomorrow, test it out on Sunday!
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    make that 2 left..... only complaint with my Top Fuel and now it might be fixed.

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    That might be lot of weight to put on two threaded inserts in the frame. IDK about the Top Fuel specifically but I've seen these inserts come loose in other frames.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    That might be lot of weight to put on two threaded inserts in the frame. IDK about the Top Fuel specifically but I've seen these inserts come loose in other frames.
    Thread lock.

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    Iím a little confused, most of us want lighter bikes but then adding multiple bottles adds any weight savings back to the bike. Granted I use a hydro pack so Iím still carrying the weight, but in my mind it isnít on the bike.

    Have seen lots of recent posts in several threads about people wanting multiple bottles on their lightweight bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bills View Post
    Iím a little confused, most of us want lighter bikes but then adding multiple bottles adds any weight savings back to the bike. Granted I use a hydro pack so Iím still carrying the weight, but in my mind it isnít on the bike.

    Have seen lots of recent posts in several threads about people wanting multiple bottles on their lightweight bikes.
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    Weight is better on your body as it can translate to the pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DouglyssRuns View Post
    Weight is better on your body as it can translate to the pedals.

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    Alternately, you have to lift it up and down with every pedal stroke. Itís also going to increase your thermal stress.


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    It's better on the bike where the bike supports it against gravity rather than you having so support it and move it around as you move around. My limitation pedaling is the strength of my muscles and ability to produce power. Carrying weight on my person would only hurt that.
    Do the math.

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    No weight on my back, no sweaty back, 2 bottles become 1 half way thru the ride, so as i get weaker bike gets lighter.

    2 bottles for 2hr rides are .

    Ive tried the back bottle too, fanny packs. Not a fan. Im also 6í2Ē so i look like i have a childs backpack on with hydro packs and they just snag on branches.


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    I recently upgraded my TR 9.8 freehub to 108T engagement and the 108T free spin noise is awesome compared to the 54T. Of course the main reason for the upgrade is for the 108T engagement and not the noises it makes.

    The feel seems pretty minor and maybe it's in my head but uphill engagement seem more instant.

    Perhaps the cheapest drivetrain upgrade you can do.

    If anyone is interested these are the P/N that your LBS can order for you. I purchased it from a local Trek shop.

    552414 Rapid Drive 108 Freehub Pawls (3-pack) $17.99 USD
    552415 Rapid Drive 108 Freehub Pawl Springs (3-pack) $8.99 USD
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    Just got my Lyne double bottle cage and....it doesnít work. That must be an XL or bigger frame in the picture. I might be able to get a really small bottle in the second cage but not a 20oz. Itís also pretty heavy so not a great race bike option especially if only for a really small bottle

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgregorie View Post
    Just got my Lyne double bottle cage and....it doesnít work. That must be an XL or bigger frame in the picture. I might be able to get a really small bottle in the second cage but not a 20oz. Itís also pretty heavy so not a great race bike option especially if only for a really small bottle
    Same here, even with an XL frame. The two bottles that WOULD fit barely total more than my single 33-ounce Zefal Magnum bottle.

    The positive of some very minor added capacity is not worth the negatives you noted, to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgregorie View Post
    Just got my Lyne double bottle cage and....it doesnít work. That must be an XL or bigger frame in the picture. I might be able to get a really small bottle in the second cage but not a 20oz. Itís also pretty heavy so not a great race bike option especially if only for a really small bottle
    Really? Shit... i have an xl bike. Yes the bike in the pics an XL.


    Can you post a pic?

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    The Wolftooth double should work. Iíve been using one on my 2019 for a year. Love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    The Wolftooth double should work. Iíve been using one on my 2019 for a year. Love it.
    Did you mount them more forward? I feel like my legs would hit the bottles.


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    I thought mine would also, but they donít. Very rarely I will feel my leg hair brush them. I have recommended it to a lot of people and theyíve all been happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    I thought mine would also, but they donít. Very rarely I will feel my leg hair brush them. I have recommended it to a lot of people and theyíve all been happy.
    Picture?


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    Picture?


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    Holy F-ing seatpost!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbrockenchain View Post
    Holy F-ing seatpost!!!!
    Yup. I had a large Procaliber, busted the frame and Trek let me get the Top Fuel as a replacement, didnít realize there was such a difference in geometry. XL Supercaliber up next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    I thought mine would also, but they donít. Very rarely I will feel my leg hair brush them. I have recommended it to a lot of people and theyíve all been happy.
    What size frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by linds0r View Post
    What size frame?
    19.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    19.5
    Could you share a pic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Free amazon return tho right?
    Yup.

    Although we're prime members. Not sure whether that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    The Wolftooth double should work. Iíve been using one on my 2019 for a year. Love it.
    Does it seem at all weird when used with one bottle?

    She keeps pulling to the right, Captain!
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    Quote Originally Posted by linds0r View Post
    Could you share a pic?
    Pics above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyniner29 View Post
    Pics above.
    Thanks! Not sure how I missed that.

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    Pic: Bite valve on left bottle looks yummy! Is that horse dung or dog poo?
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Pic: Bite valve on left bottle looks yummy! Is that horse dung or dog poo?
    From a race in the UP of Michigan called ore2shore. Red dirt everywhere, stains everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Yup.

    Although we're prime members. Not sure whether that matters.
    Mines coming up to Canada. Did you disassemble it? Would like to see some better pics. Mines also last gen top fuel... i can move my bottle forward quiet a bit. I moved the cage forward a hole and it could fit a smaller bottle behind it no problems.

    My friends scalpel and other friends element both can only fit a 600 and 750 bottle. And the nossels rub on the suspension... so if i can fit this with a bit of rubbing no big deal.




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    Quote Originally Posted by solarplex View Post
    Mines coming up to Canada. Did you disassemble it? Would like to see some better pics. Mines also last gen top fuel... i can move my bottle forward quiet a bit. I moved the cage forward a hole and it could fit a smaller bottle behind it no problems.

    My friends scalpel and other friends element both can only fit a 600 and 750 bottle. And the nossels rub on the suspension... so if i can fit this with a bit of rubbing no big deal.




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    Sorry, it's on its way back to the Big A. But I think you'll be OK with the older Top Fuel.

    As noted by others, the thing is NOT light (but did seem really well-made).
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    Actual weight

    Anyone have actual weights for a stock 19.5 tubeless or tubed? Preferably 9.9?
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    Trek Top Fuel 9.9 RSL
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    Iīve just ordered a TF 9.8 GX P1 in ICON/Liquid Brushed Metal (not a fan of these fancy and loud colors). Will use it in addition to my 19 Remedy 9.8 :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by petejupp View Post
    Iīve just ordered a TF 9.8 GX P1 in ICON/Liquid Brushed Metal (not a fan of these fancy and loud colors). Will use it in addition to my 19 Remedy 9.8 :-)
    Awesome! How long is the build lead time?

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    I just put an X01 AXS drivetrain on my 9.8. Have to say I'm impressed so far. Shifting speed is awesome. Looking forward to seeing how it performs over time.

    I didn't weight the bike before and after, but replacing just the cassette and crankset knocks off about 1/2lb, and I think the GX shifter + RD weights a bit more than the X01 AXS RD & controller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linds0r View Post
    Awesome! How long is the build lead time?
    Between 3 to 4 weeks. Fuel EX P1 in that color and XT version is only 19 days. Thatīs what I was told from my LBS last week.

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    I 'm going to post up my 2019 top fuel and get whatever I can get for it and get the new top fuel. Then I'll build a hard tail and that will be my xc race bike. I already have a slash but I hate pedaling the thing for any rides longer than 2 hours.

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    I've got around 600-700 miles on the new 2020 TF 9.9 and everything is great except for the wheels. I've had them re-tensioned twice now and they are still extremely noisy do to spokes flexing / rubbing. I can't even sit on the bike without these things making noise. Does anyone else have this issue? I'd sell them and buy a pair of NOX, but I don't even feel comfortable pawning them off to someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blum585 View Post
    I've got around 600-700 miles on the new 2020 TF 9.9 and everything is great except for the wheels. I've had them re-tensioned twice now and they are still extremely noisy do to spokes flexing / rubbing. I can't even sit on the bike without these things making noise. Does anyone else have this issue? I'd sell them and buy a pair of NOX, but I don't even feel comfortable pawning them off to someone else.
    Kovee Pro 30s, right? I'm near 1,000 miles, and they seem solid and quiet. Maybe a spot of lube where the spokes cross each other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blum585 View Post
    I've got around 600-700 miles on the new 2020 TF 9.9 and everything is great except for the wheels. I've had them re-tensioned twice now and they are still extremely noisy do to spokes flexing / rubbing. I can't even sit on the bike without these things making noise. Does anyone else have this issue? I'd sell them and buy a pair of NOX, but I don't even feel comfortable pawning them off to someone else.
    I'm interested for the right price

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    Blum585,
    I get that problem early in a ride, but it seems to settle in as the ride goes on. One of my bladed spokes is twisted near the hub, so it doesn't sit flat against the adjacent spoke. I haven't gotten around to fixing it yet since I need to pull the cassette to get to it. The NDS spokes are tensioned really low on these wheels. The rims are no longer asymmetric like the older Bontrager rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimphatty View Post
    I'm interested for the right price
    What's the right price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdiddy View Post
    Blum585,
    I get that problem early in a ride, but it seems to settle in as the ride goes on. One of my bladed spokes is twisted near the hub, so it doesn't sit flat against the adjacent spoke. I haven't gotten around to fixing it yet since I need to pull the cassette to get to it. The NDS spokes are tensioned really low on these wheels. The rims are no longer asymmetric like the older Bontrager rims.
    It never goes away, people I ride with even question what they are hearing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blum585 View Post
    I've got around 600-700 miles on the new 2020 TF 9.9 and everything is great except for the wheels. I've had them re-tensioned twice now and they are still extremely noisy do to spokes flexing / rubbing. I can't even sit on the bike without these things making noise. Does anyone else have this issue? I'd sell them and buy a pair of NOX, but I don't even feel comfortable pawning them off to someone else.
    Had a set of dt swiss r32s doing this. My lbs said the spoke tension was in spec. Would ting. I tried lubing the crosses. The hub... finally i said **** it and half turned every spoke... sound gone.

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    You guys and i have a different definition of heavy. This thing is pretty light haha


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    Quote Originally Posted by blum585 View Post
    What's the right price?

    message me

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    Iím strongly considering a Top Fuel as my next ride. Having never owned a Trek, I hope a current owner can help me with a few questions:

    -Cable routing? Are there molded-in tubes inside the frame? Assume so but havenít found info on this.

    -KnockBlock headset seems like kind of a kludge. Can it be disabled, I.e. turned into a normal headset using a standard crown and stem?

    -Anyone got a confirmed weight on a carbon frame + shock?

    -Looking at getting a frameset, is it confirmed that it comes with a non-Kashima shock? If so thatís pretty lame at $3300.

    -Howís Trekís customer support? I assume any issues go through dealer where bike is bought, howís response time and helpfulness from Trek on warranty issues? Iím used to dealing with Ibis, which is about the best in the industry.

    Thanks any/all!

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    Mini-Review: Got the bike out on Bend, Oregon's fast, smooth trails yesterday for a quick 2 hour tour.

    Perfect for this place. I liked that it climbed well when open, and used full travel exactly once when set at recommended sag. Coming down (pedaling downhill, nothing rowdy) I loved the quicker steering. It was so easy to corner fast. No understeer.

    But I'm coming off a summer of riding a Slash as a trailbike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Iím strongly considering a Top Fuel as my next ride. Having never owned a Trek, I hope a current owner can help me with a few questions:

    -Cable routing? Are there molded-in tubes inside the frame? Assume so but havenít found info on this.

    -KnockBlock headset seems like kind of a kludge. Can it be disabled, I.e. turned into a normal headset using a standard crown and stem?

    -Anyone got a confirmed weight on a carbon frame + shock?

    -Looking at getting a frameset, is it confirmed that it comes with a non-Kashima shock? If so thatís pretty lame at $3300.

    -Howís Trekís customer support? I assume any issues go through dealer where bike is bought, howís response time and helpfulness from Trek on warranty issues? Iím used to dealing with Ibis, which is about the best in the industry.

    Thanks any/all!
    Hey there! I'd be happy to help answer your questions and I'm sure others could chime in too.

    For our internal cable routing, we do not use a molded channel as it would just add unneeded weight to the frame for the extra material, but we have a clean cable management system called Control Freak which uses a tab on the underside of the frame that holds your cable housing and brake hoses from rattling.

    Knock Block is not suggested to be removed - you get a large turning radius with it that I have found to not affect me for singletrack. Removing it can cause the fork crown to come in contact with the downtube if you turn the bar to hard or fall off your bike. But you can use another stem of your choice with a lockring spacer we make that is placed at the bottom of the stack.

    Medium Top Fuel in a carbon frame would weigh 2.46 kg / 5.43 lbs. This would be with a Fox Performance Float shock - no Kashima but still the same great performance nonetheless!

    We have live chat 7 days a week, phone hours during the week with a great staff here at HQ and I'm here on the forums or on our social media channels! Lots of ways to connect with us should you need us. But for warranty related issues, those are always best to go through your local dealer to have the claim submitted. We have a turnaround time of 48 hours unless the issue requires more time to investigate it or retrieve the part(s). But our team works hard to get claims resolved quickly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Knock Block is not suggested to be removed - you get a large turning radius with it that I have found to not affect me for singletrack. Removing it can cause the fork crown to come in contact with the downtube if you turn the bar to hard or fall off your bike. But you can use another stem of your choice with a lockring spacer we make that is placed at the bottom of the stack.
    The knock block annoys me for two reasons. One, when I was doing a trackstand I was trying to make a quick adjustment and almost fell over when I abruptly stopped turning the wheel because I hit the knock block. Now that I've had the bike for a few months I'm more used to it though. And two I have to arrange the bikes a certain way on my tailgate pad due to the knock block.

    These are pretty minor annoyances and I'll admit that I've never noticed it on singletrack, even in tight switchbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodninja View Post
    And two I have to arrange the bikes a certain way on my tailgate pad due to the knock block.
    I definitely suggest using a standard hitch rack or an alternative to the tailgate pad, especially if you have a carbon frame. Plus it would make your life easier since you would just have to slap it on the rack and go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I definitely suggest using a standard hitch rack or an alternative to the tailgate pad, especially if you have a carbon frame. Plus it would make your life easier since you would just have to slap it on the rack and go.
    Mitch, thanks for chiming in; the fact that someone from Trek is on here answering question certainly seems to speak well of the customer service!

    Additional queries: Do any frame sizes come with two water bottle mounts? I know a few other brands spec dual mounts on XL/XXL frames where they'll actually fit.

    Frame-only, am I limited to black for color?

    Folks who have built these, how do we feel about Control Freak? I see the versatility, but also seems like it'd be a bit of a PITA to do things like change out a shifter cable/housing without disassembling everything. Nice thing about those internal tubes is you can do that really easily, and the moist conditions here in the PNW tend to degrade shifting.

    Can anyone comment on durability of bearings and linkage? Any recurring issues with things getting loose or bearings going bad? Seems like a very well-sorted bike, but hoping it'd survive the PNWet without a ton of maintenance headaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Folks who have built these, how do we feel about Control Freak? I see the versatility, but also seems like it'd be a bit of a PITA to do things like change out a shifter cable/housing without disassembling everything. Nice thing about those internal tubes is you can do that really easily, and the moist conditions here in the PNW tend to degrade shifting.


    All the cable changes I've done on trek bikes with control freak routing have been easy and fast. Good design imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Mitch, thanks for chiming in; the fact that someone from Trek is on here answering question certainly seems to speak well of the customer service!

    Additional queries: Do any frame sizes come with two water bottle mounts? I know a few other brands spec dual mounts on XL/XXL frames where they'll actually fit.

    Frame-only, am I limited to black for color?

    Folks who have built these, how do we feel about Control Freak? I see the versatility, but also seems like it'd be a bit of a PITA to do things like change out a shifter cable/housing without disassembling everything. Nice thing about those internal tubes is you can do that really easily, and the moist conditions here in the PNW tend to degrade shifting.

    Can anyone comment on durability of bearings and linkage? Any recurring issues with things getting loose or bearings going bad? Seems like a very well-sorted bike, but hoping it'd survive the PNWet without a ton of maintenance headaches.
    I've found the internal routing on my 2020 Top Fuel to be easy to work with, but not quite as easy as the "tits" on other bikes where you just insert and push through. The cable freak involves zip-tying the cables together inside the down-tube. Not exactly difficult, but just not as super-easy as tits. A lot of people probably won't bother internally routing the rear brake hose, but for some reason that was very difficult to get through the stay.

    Too early to comment on durability, but no issues at all with my 2017 TF, so that probably says a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Mitch, thanks for chiming in; the fact that someone from Trek is on here answering question certainly seems to speak well of the customer service!

    Additional queries: Do any frame sizes come with two water bottle mounts? I know a few other brands spec dual mounts on XL/XXL frames where they'll actually fit.

    Frame-only, am I limited to black for color?

    Folks who have built these, how do we feel about Control Freak? I see the versatility, but also seems like it'd be a bit of a PITA to do things like change out a shifter cable/housing without disassembling everything. Nice thing about those internal tubes is you can do that really easily, and the moist conditions here in the PNW tend to degrade shifting.

    Can anyone comment on durability of bearings and linkage? Any recurring issues with things getting loose or bearings going bad? Seems like a very well-sorted bike, but hoping it'd survive the PNWet without a ton of maintenance headaches.
    Happy to help!

    I have not actually seen the 2020 TF in anything larger than a L frame so I've reached out to MTB team to check. But looking at the L, I don't think we've added a second set of water bottle bosses as it would be tight.

    For the carbon frame-only, the Matte Carbon/Gloss Trek Black is the single option.

    Also, having built 30+ bikes with the Control Freak, it is really easy to use once you do it a couple of times. Doing it your first time, you can see how it works, but you need the right tools. You essentially create a sharp bend in the end of the zip tie, use a hook tool or small 90 degree tool to bring the housings under the zip tie, then use a needle nose to grab the zip tie and guide it home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I definitely suggest using a standard hitch rack or an alternative to the tailgate pad, especially if you have a carbon frame. Plus it would make your life easier since you would just have to slap it on the rack and go.
    Why do you suggest a hitch rack rather than the tailgate pad? Is this specific to the knock block? My frame is carbon...

    I also have a 4 bike hitch rack that I use on my wife's SUV and honestly I find the tailgate pad faster and easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodninja View Post
    Why do you suggest a hitch rack rather than the tailgate pad? Is this specific to the knock block? My frame is carbon...

    I also have a 4 bike hitch rack that I use on my wife's SUV and honestly I find the tailgate pad faster and easier.
    The pad is certainly faster and pretty convenient, but in our manual, we suggest avoiding carry methods that require a clamp to the frame to prevent any chance of damage. Carrying the bike by the wheels works best and leaves your frame clean and also scratch free. Personally, I use the Saris MTR, but there are plenty of other good options too. If you have a pickup, the in-bed racks are nice and you can take them out quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodninja View Post
    Why do you suggest a hitch rack rather than the tailgate pad? Is this specific to the knock block? My frame is carbon...

    I also have a 4 bike hitch rack that I use on my wife's SUV and honestly I find the tailgate pad faster and easier.


    Sorry, not Mitch but here's my 2 cents. Tailgate pads unnecessarily abrade and stress the downtube/headtube junction and can allow bikes to beat on each other when driving on rough roads. Maybe not a big deal overall but it is one of their downsides, on the upside they're cheap and simple. Hitch racks are expensive but they hold bikes more securely without stressing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Sorry, not Mitch but here's my 2 cents. Tailgate pads unnecessarily abrade and stress the downtube/headtube junction and can allow bikes to beat on each other when driving on rough roads. Maybe not a big deal overall but it is one of their downsides, on the upside they're cheap and simple. Hitch racks are expensive but they hold bikes more securely without stressing them.
    Like I said I have a 4 bike hitch rack too. I can live with the abrasion, I just wanted to know if there was something specific about the Top Fuel that I shouldn't be using a tailgate pad. I have a popup camper too, and I may buy a rack that goes on top of the camper (although there are potential issues with that too) but for now the pad is the best way for me to haul 4 bikes, gear, and the camper...and also not have to switch between trailer hitch and bike rack, which I admit is just laziness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodninja View Post
    I can live with the abrasion, I just wanted to know if there was something specific about the Top Fuel that I shouldn't be using a tailgate pad.

    Other than the knock block issue you already mentioned I'm sure there's nothing specific about that frame that makes it any better or worse to use with a tailgate pad. Pretty sure Mitch was just saying that a hitch rack is a better way to prevent damage while transporting any bike, especially a carbon one. If a tailgate pad is your best or only option I'm sure that's fine too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Other than the knock block issue you already mentioned I'm sure there's nothing specific about that frame that makes it any better or worse to use with a tailgate pad. Pretty sure Mitch was just saying that a hitch rack is a better way to prevent damage while transporting any bike, especially a carbon one. If a tailgate pad is your best or only option I'm sure that's fine too.
    I appreciate it guys, I just panicked for a minute thinking there was something about the knock block and I was destroying my frame!

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    I have just visited my LBS, because they received a Top Fuel 9.8 XT P1 in size large (weight is 12 kg) for another customer.
    The breaks are indeed the old XT BR-M8020 from Shimano (thought that this was maybe a mistake on the website) and on the wheels I could see really cheap break discs, maybe one of the cheapest you can buy from Shimano (no XT break discs!).

    [email protected]: I have also ordered a TF 9.8 GX P1 and in my opinion the fact that Trek mounts an old version of XT breaks and cheap brake discs on a 2020 bike with this price tag is a massive disappointment! It would be nice if youīre going to explain the reasons why! Thank you!

    Edit: Now I can see on the P1 site that Trek has changed the specs for the 9.8 versions from XT BR-M8020 brakes to SLX M7100 brakes from Shimano. Trek: this cannot be true! Are you kidding us/me?

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    I'd say the same about spec'ing a "performance" level shock on the Top Fuel frame-only kit, for $3300. That price is already on the Yeti end of the spectrum, and anyone buying a frame kit is going to be a detail-oriented type who would care about this. Seems like a dumb way to save a few bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petejupp View Post
    I have just visited my LBS, because they received a Top Fuel 9.8 XT P1 in size large (weight is 12 kg) for another customer.
    The breaks are indeed the old XT BR-M8020 from Shimano (thought that this was maybe a mistake on the website) and on the wheels I could see really cheap break discs, maybe one of the cheapest you can buy from Shimano (no XT break discs!).

    [email protected]: I have also ordered a TF 9.8 GX P1 and in my opinion the fact that Trek mounts an old version of XT breaks and cheap brake discs on a 2020 bike with this price tag is a massive disappointment! It would be nice if youīre going to explain the reasons why! Thank you!

    Edit: Now I can see on the P1 site that Trek has changed the specs for the 9.8 versions from XT BR-M8020 brakes to SLX M7100 brakes from Shimano. Trek: this cannot be true! Are you kidding us/me?
    For the Topfuel 9.8 XT it even says SLX M7000 brakes. How can you do such a thing, when you would not read the details you would never expect this certainly not on the 9.8 XT. This will disappoint many.
    Maybe the SLX brakes are not really less good than the XTís but come on TREK ...
    On the Fuel EX same thing although there SLX M7120.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerard29er View Post
    For the Topfuel 9.8 XT it even says SLX M7000 brakes. How can you do such a thing, when you would not read the details you would never expect this certainly not on the 9.8 XT. This will disappoint many.
    Maybe the SLX brakes are not really less good than the XTís but come on TREK ...
    On the Fuel EX same thing although there SLX M7120.
    Itīs even harder to understand having a look at the XTR models: they are all specīed with XTR M9120 Race brakes. Which are Shimanoīs newest version of their XTR brakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by petejupp View Post
    Itīs even harder to understand having a look at the XTR models: they are all specīed with XTR M9120 Race brakes. Which are Shimanoīs newest version of their XTR brakes...
    Yes thatís more like it should be ...

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    Has anyone found a way to mount a bash guard since the TF doesn't have ISCG mounts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Sorry, not Mitch but here's my 2 cents. Tailgate pads unnecessarily abrade and stress the downtube/headtube junction and can allow bikes to beat on each other when driving on rough roads. Maybe not a big deal overall but it is one of their downsides, on the upside they're cheap and simple. Hitch racks are expensive but they hold bikes more securely without stressing them.
    A knock block Top Fuel, carbon or other otherwise works fine on a tailgate pad. There is nothing inherently bad about it that can't be addressed with a bit of prevention. Some other rack designs are much harder to avoid potential damage.

    Any pickup owner can make a PVC or 1X2 lumber rack for a few dozen dollars that will prevent movement while using a taligate pad. I throw tow 2020 TFs and a carbon Stache on the pad with another kids bike with no problem. In addition, a piece of packing, helicopter, or even duct tape on the contact point can avoid damage to the down tube. The knock block is a bit of a pain on a tailgate that isn't flat on the face because if the wheel needs to turn to hit a surface that is more than 180 from the top tube .. it can't with a knock block. I just arrange the bikes to avoid this, but if I had 3 or more knock block bikes I'd have to change my plan.

    As far as stressing the top tube, bike racks that securely fasten the front fork to a solid object put a unusual amount of stress on the fork, top tube, and steering tube. This is amplified if the rear tire is allowed to bounce. Years ago I destroyed two sets of fork bushings before I figured it out. Other racks put a pressure in the middle of the top tube with a ratchet that can be smashed down by a user; not an ideal loading situation. A rack that only clamps on the tires may be the best, but they come with a host of issues too (price, size, weight, tire size capability, ...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerard29er View Post
    For the Topfuel 9.8 XT it even says SLX M7000 brakes. How can you do such a thing, when you would not read the details you would never expect this certainly not on the 9.8 XT. This will disappoint many.
    Maybe the SLX brakes are not really less good than the XTís but come on TREK ...
    On the Fuel EX same thing although there SLX M7120.
    They certainly are better than the awful sram brakes that Trek used to spec on almost any of their mid and high tier bikes. Unless you are adding more pistons, I don't think there is a functional difference as you move up the line with Shimano brakes. It is almost entirely a few grams and many dollars. Compared to some other brands in this market the 9.8 TF is a relative bargain. I think they are trying to hold a price point while providing a spec that works ... and doesn't generate thousands of warranty claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
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    Can anyone comment on durability of bearings and linkage? Any recurring issues with things getting loose or bearings going bad? Seems like a very well-sorted bike, but hoping it'd survive the PNWet without a ton of maintenance headaches.
    So far so good with both of my 2020 TFs. On the first one, I torqued all of the pivot bolts with a torque wrench as soon as I got home from the purchase. Two things came up. One bolt was not tightened properly. The other "problem" is that I failed to recognize that the lowest pivot bolt near the chain ring teeth is reverse thread. So I loosened the bolt inadvertently before I tightened it. That action stopped the thread locking compound from holding a grip. The bolt loosened a bit on 4 or 5 rides after that even when torqued to spec. Eventually I removed the bolt, properly cleaned all threads, applied new locking compound (locktitie blue 242), torqued it to spec, and let it sit overnight. None of the bolts including the reverse thread one have moved in the hundreds of miles since, which includes BMX and jump park use that cycles the suspension endlessly.

    The other TF had all of the bolts tightened properly from the start. I marked each one with a tiny silver magic marker dot, and none of them have moved in hundreds of trail miles. No play or noise either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adaycj View Post
    A knock block Top Fuel, carbon or other otherwise works fine on a tailgate pad. There is nothing inherently bad about it that can't be addressed with a bit of prevention. Some other rack designs are much harder to avoid potential damage.

    Any pickup owner can make a PVC or 1X2 lumber rack for a few dozen dollars that will prevent movement while using a taligate pad. I throw tow 2020 TFs and a carbon Stache on the pad with another kids bike with no problem. In addition, a piece of packing, helicopter, or even duct tape on the contact point can avoid damage to the down tube. The knock block is a bit of a pain on a tailgate that isn't flat on the face because if the wheel needs to turn to hit a surface that is more than 180 from the top tube .. it can't with a knock block. I just arrange the bikes to avoid this, but if I had 3 or more knock block bikes I'd have to change my plan.

    As far as stressing the top tube, bike racks that securely fasten the front fork to a solid object put a unusual amount of stress on the fork, top tube, and steering tube. This is amplified if the rear tire is allowed to bounce. Years ago I destroyed two sets of fork bushings before I figured it out. Other racks put a pressure in the middle of the top tube with a ratchet that can be smashed down by a user; not an ideal loading situation. A rack that only clamps on the tires may be the best, but they come with a host of issues too (price, size, weight, tire size capability, ...).


    I agree. I didn't say tailgate pads were bad, just that hitch racks are better because they don't stress the frame or wheels at all and securely separate the bikes.
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    What is everyone carrying in the backcountry for the ABP derailleur hanger, had a hacked solution for my Stache but be nice not to carry a heavy 23mm socket
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    Trek ABP Field Service Tool? That flat one shown below has been discontinues AFAIK. The socket type shown supplants it.

    https://www.trekbikes.com/ca/en_CA/e...-tool/p/09843/
    Do the math.

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    Now I have a clunking sound when I stand up and pedal hard. Noticed it last night...

    Crank bolt is tight, all pivot bolts are tight. It's not my pedal. The only thing I can think of is that the preload adjustment on the crank isn't set right. Should I remove and reinstall the crank? No way the BB could be shot already, right? It hasn't been wet...hasn't even rained in Central VA since I got the bike in August lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbkev View Post
    Has anyone found a way to mount a bash guard since the TF doesn't have ISCG mounts?
    get a x-sync bash guard which you need to mount a 4 bolt ring to

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