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    2017 Remedy

    How do they feel about frame storage?




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    She said they now have both RockShox and Fox rear shocks. I wonder if it will be trim level-specific or if the buyer gets to choose?

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    Great play on the storage...I'm not a huge Trek fan, but I've got the same philosophy and was a little disappointed with the new carbon Stumpjumpers.

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    I'm still waiting to see what the new big travel 29er is going to be... I love my 2014 29er, but it's apparently gonna be the only Remedy I buy.
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    I'm a bit perturbed that they brought the 27.5+ to the EX line but not the Remedy line. WHY!!!? I was going to buy this!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by stunnerable View Post
    I'm a bit perturbed that they brought the 27.5+ to the EX line but not the Remedy line. WHY!!!? I was going to buy this!!


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    They might do it for the slash?
    most 29er frames will fit the smaller 2.8-3.0 size 27.5+ wheel/tyre setups

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    Quote Originally Posted by stunnerable View Post
    I'm a bit perturbed that they brought the 27.5+ to the EX line but not the Remedy line. WHY!!!? I was going to buy this!!


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    If you look at suspension travel and geometry, the Fuel EX plus is basically a 2016 Remedy with plus tires. If it makes you feel better you can call it a Re-fuel plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgdblue View Post
    If you look at suspension travel and geometry, the Fuel EX plus is basically a 2016 Remedy with plus tires. If it makes you feel better you can call it a Re-fuel plus.
    It's slacker, but it also loses 10mm of rear travel over the outgoing Remedy. I'm guessing most Remedy riders want more travel, not less.
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    I called Trek last week about an issue I was having with my 2015 Remedy 29er. Before I hung up I said to the guy on the phone " Its to bad Trek got rid of their long travel 29ers, that a 150-160 29er would be sick." His response was something to the effect of " I think you should wait until Trek World in August- I think you will be really happy." :-)

    Fingers crossed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdc View Post
    I called Trek last week about an issue I was having with my 2015 Remedy 29er. Before I hung up I said to the guy on the phone " Its to bad Trek got rid of their long travel 29ers, that a 150-160 29er would be sick." His response was something to the effect of " I think you should wait until Trek World in August- I think you will be really happy." :-)

    Fingers crossed!
    Big announcement on July 19th I believe.


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    My guess is that the new Slash will be a bigger version of the new Fuel EX.

    150 or 160 travel.

    Ability to run 29 or 27.5+ tires.
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    Someone said July 7th in another thread... july 19th here, and trek world in august too

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    Oh God I hope so!! Seriously would go out immediately and buy a 27.5+ Rem!

    I just hope it's not boring black or grey. Day-glow please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stunnerable View Post
    I just hope it's not boring black or grey. Day-glow please.
    I miss my day-glow 2015 Fuel EX 9.8!!!

    But the black 2016 9.9 will make for easier resale.
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    lookin good,

    Need to take the Guide brakes off though.
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    I'm glad they straightened the chainstays out on the AL models. The crooked one always bugged me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    I miss my day-glow 2015 Fuel EX 9.8!!!

    But the black 2016 9.9 will make for easier resale.
    I love mine, just finished a ride! Not much left on it stock though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Surf View Post
    I'm glad they straightened the chainstays out on the AL models. The crooked one always bugged me.
    Funny.. I always liked the Asymmetrical chainstays. Made them unique. But I'll take straight chainstays all day for a long travel, 27.5+ Rem! Bring it Trek!!


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    I think this new Remedy looks killer. I love my current Fuel EX, but this'll be worth a test ride...

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    The new Fuel Ex29 is the bike I should get. It's perfect for the trails around me and for my skill level, but the new Remedy looks like so much fun. What's the reasoning, don't buy a bike for what you ride now, but buy a bike for how you eventually want to ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Interceptor View Post
    The new Fuel Ex29 is the bike I should get. It's perfect for the trails around me and for my skill level, but the new Remedy looks like so much fun. What's the reasoning, don't buy a bike for what you ride now, but buy a bike for how you eventually want to ride?
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    Really love this new Remedy but Trek has used again a proprietary sized shock, so no aftermarket shocks for enduro lovers and I'm really disapointed with this decision.

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    I sold my trusty 2015 remedy 29er 9.8 the day before they released these bikes. Kind of bummed. I loved the remedy 29! Just wanted shorter CSs in the 17" range and longer toptube to make up the difference. I would have probably kept my remedy. Im not sure I like the looks of the straight DT, and I lay my bike flat in the back of my car so not sure if this will bend my fork lowers. Well here's hoping for a slash 29er
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    I wonder what the max tire size is? can it handle a 2.5 or maybe a 2.8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    I sold my trusty 2015 remedy 29er 9.8 the day before they released these bikes. Kind of bummed. I loved the remedy 29! Just wanted shorter CSs in the 17" range and longer toptube to make up the difference. I would have probably kept my remedy. Im not sure I like the looks of the straight DT, and I lay my bike flat in the back of my car so not sure if this will bend my fork lowers. Well here's hoping for a slash 29er

    .......good point, I also put my bike in the boot/hatch.. and sometimes over the back of a ute tray, I wonder how far "full lock" is and if its enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    Really love this new Remedy but Trek has used again a proprietary sized shock, so no aftermarket shocks for enduro lovers and I'm really disapointed with this decision.
    You sure? They switched everything to metric which is supposed to be standardized.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    Really love this new Remedy but Trek has used again a proprietary sized shock, so no aftermarket shocks for enduro lovers and I'm really disapointed with this decision.
    Agree with what was already said but I don't think they are a proprietary size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinkyPinky87 View Post
    .......good point, I also put my bike in the boot/hatch.. and sometimes over the back of a ute tray, I wonder how far "full lock" is and if its enough?
    No one will ever ride it and need to go that far. If you did, you are crashing. That said, I find it STUPID to have the wheel not be able to turn however far you want/need.

    The new Madone also has a fork that cannot be turned past a certain point, or you will break the brakes and/or frame.
    Track standing or otherwise balancing on the bike, I do routinely turn my bars almost full sideways, so I know I wouldn't like the limit. My brother puts his bikes in his car, and this would also stop him from being able to do that as easily.

    I know I'll ride my 15 Rem 9.9 29 until it falls apart. Not a fan of the new stuff. Just like the road bike, I like my 14 Madone much more than the new ones!
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertwheeler View Post
    You sure? They switched everything to metric which is supposed to be standardized.


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    I'm not totaly sure but this morning I opened a chat with Trek UK support to ask what about the shock lenght and aftermarket shock. Look at the screenshot

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    I have not yet contact Sram but I don't think they are going to make a new Super Deluxe only for the Remedy once they introduced the metric shock sizing.
    Maybe the new Remedy can fit with no problem a normal metric shock but if it fits someone from Trek has to confirm that is possible.


    Agree with what was already said but I don't think they are a proprietary size.
    @GT5050: Maybe the new Deluxe with reaktiv isn't a proprietary shock but it is not totaly metric. The new metric shocks of this lenght are 230x60mm
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    Subscribing, wishing the Remedy 29r was still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    No one will ever ride it and need to go that far. If you did, you are crashing. That said, I find it STUPID to have it but be able to turn.
    No way i need full lock except for putting my bike in my car/ute, or like you said... crashing. And usually thats not by choice =D


    I too will stick with my 16 Rem 9.8 29er .. until I feel like upgrading, or it breaks =/

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    I wonder if you can take the Re:aktiv damper out of one of these 2017 deluxe shocks and retrofit it to an 2014-2016 monarch or monarch plus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    I'm not totaly sure but this morning I opened a chat with Trek UK support to ask what about the shock lenght and aftermarket shock. Look at the screenshot

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    I have not yet contact Sram but I don't think they are going to make a new Super Deluxe only for the Remedy once they introduced the metric shock sizing.
    Maybe the new Remedy can fit with no problem a normal metric shock but if it fits someone from Trek has to confirm that is possible.



    @GT5050: Maybe the new Deluxe with reaktiv isn't a proprietary shock but it is not totaly metric. The new metric shocks of this lenght are 230x60mm

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    You just put a 2.5mm spacer in a 230x60 shock to get the 230x57.5 stroke.

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    What? Where? How can you get a shorter stroke without modifying the eye to eye stroke? I really hope that what you said is true

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    Saw it in the Pinkbike comments, so take it with a grain of salt, but Dcamp works for RockShox. I am not sure how it will work with other brands, but I do know that there are Fox-sponsored riders running X2 shocks on the new Remedy, so I would guess that it's a similar situation with Fox. No idea how it would go for upgrading to a DVO or Cane Creek, but from what I can tell, all of that is still getting sorted out.

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    Thanks man! Your post was very useful!

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    What is the thought on sizing for the 2017 Remedy? I have heard they used to run a bit small, but the reach has been increased significantly (~40mm) on the 2017. Oddly the effective top tube was actually shortened very slightly despite the increased reach. I'm right between sizes and rode both (parking lot only), but still having difficulty deciding which is the better fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Agree with what was already said but I don't think they are a proprietary size.
    I wouldn't really call it proprietary to a point
    They are different they seem to run a odd sized shock for a reason
    You can get a Push shock for around 1200 for the current Slash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livefreeorbike View Post
    What is the thought on sizing for the 2017 Remedy? I have heard they used to run a bit small, but the reach has been increased significantly (~40mm) on the 2017. Oddly the effective top tube was actually shortened very slightly despite the increased reach. I'm right between sizes and rode both (parking lot only), but still having difficulty deciding which is the better fit.
    Im thinking the sizing on the website is off, the new fuels have similar reach and seat tube measurements and the ett lengths look about par for every other bike with similar sizes. The Remedys are way out to town though, theres got to be an error on the website. that seat tube would have to be around 75 -76 degrees to have those numbers. Its a shame TREK cant figure out how to post accurate geo numbers, seems to be a running theme with their bikes.

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    I believe their numbers are actually correct. Most companies give an 'effective' seat tube, which takes into account the sag of the bike, whereas trek give the actual seatpost angle without any influence, as well as the effective angle.

    For the new remedy it's 68.1, with an effective angle of 74.5. What was confusing was when they didn't also give the effective angle.

    I'd rather companies gave both, as an effective angle can be subjective.

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    Anyway, pumped to get a hold of a new remedy 9.8, looking for more of a climber and all round trail rig than my current rune which is more dh orientated.

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    Picked mine up yesterday. Traded a 2017 fuel 27.5+ for it. Looking forward to the weekend.




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    Have you try the bike? How is the shock?
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    My local has a Remedy 8 for demo (just arrived, awaiting to be built)

    Looks the goods, dunno about the 15 odd click adjust on the fork for high speed compression. Feels a little hard to play twisties with it with the fork in my hands (not on a bike) .... personally i prefer the easy to use 3 option lever style forks.


    And damn it looked small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinkyPinky87 View Post

    And damn it looked small.
    My fuel was 18.5. My remedy is 19.5


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    Quote Originally Posted by benyl View Post
    My fuel was 18.5. My remedy is 19.5


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    I was talking about the one that was in my local, just 27.5 looks so small compared to my 29er remedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinkyPinky87 View Post
    I was talking about the one that was in my local, just 27.5 looks so small compared to my 29er remedy.
    Sorry, just thought you were comparing them.

    The remedy seems to fit smaller. Hence why I went up a size.


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    2017 Remedy

    On another note, I asked my LBS if they could do a cartridge change on the Pike to bump it up to 160mm like the 9 RSL. They said no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LinkyPinky87 View Post
    ....dunno about the 15 odd click adjust on the fork for high speed compression. .... personally i prefer the easy to use 3 option lever style forks.


    And damn it looked small.


    I know I personally think all forks should have full clicker adjustability. I actually hate the "Open/Trail/Closed" thing. Not nearly enough tuning available!

    I know my Remedy 9.9 29 (21.5 frame) is a BIG BIKE. I sometimes can't believe I ride the thing. She's faster than I am right now though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    I know I personally think all forks should have full clicker adjustability. I actually hate the "Open/Trail/Closed" thing. Not nearly enough tuning available!

    I know my Remedy 9.9 29 (21.5 frame) is a BIG BIKE. I sometimes can't believe I ride the thing. She's faster than I am right now though!

    Not sure what the frame size was, usually they are around the 18-19in to suit "most" riders, being a demo and all. I think its just the wheel size =/


    I kind of agree with more adjust-ability, it would be awesom to have that on my fork for open atleast (upper models do)
    But it felt like it would be harder to do on the fly while riding. Climb coming up so crank the lever up a notch or two is super easy.
    Where as twisiting the know felt a little hard, while in a shop with nothing moving. Unlike a trail where everything is going on lol.

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    Hello humans! As I've been reading your posts here for a while, I thought I should try to give something back. It's always interesting to hear about other peoples experiences with their bikes - especially before the tests come out.

    So I got mye Remedy 9 RSL today and went for a little ride. I currently ride a Slash 9.8 with syntace carbon handlebars and Fox 36 Fit4 up front. So thats what I compare it too. I love my Slash and think it's a very good bike. But I had some thoughts about what I'd like too see on the next iteration. The first thing I would wish for was that the rear shock could get a firmer pedal platform. The Debonair wallowed under pedalling. I also wanted a little less travel behind and a standard size so I could switch between coil and air. I also wanted the bike to be a little lower, and maybe a little steeper seat tube. So I was happy when I saw the new remedy. All my wishes for the next bike came trough. Trek is probably spying on me.

    So. I got the bike and went for a little ride today. It was kinda short and dark. But here is my impressions. I expected the bike to be a better climber, and more fun down, but with trade offs when it came to the sheer downhill confidence. Well, first of all, it was definitely a better climber. It bobs way less than the Slash. It seems to sit higher in it's travel. It was noticeably more inspiring to climb this bike. It may be due to the mino link that was set in high position. It comes installed this way. I forgot to flip it. I also didn't quite feel the need to put the fork in the lowest position. I know many people say you don't need it. But I'm not one of those. I missed it on my slash. So I think it says something about this bikes climbing qualities that someone who wants the function don't need it. Maybe I'll change my mind after putting flipping the minolink, or raising the bars or something. So going uphill definitely met my expectations.

    So what about going downhill? It actually felt almost the same as my slash. It seems to be a tad more playful. And it also think the bike felt the same when going over the rough stuff. Compared to the slash, I think the bike enjoys cornering even more.

    So obviously, I am very satisfied with mye need bike. The only negative thing I can think of would be the weight. It's heavier than my slash. Noticeably. So I guess I'll have to find somewhere to shed some weight.

    Other stuff. The knockblock stuff don't bother my. I actually like it. First, it almost go 90 degrees. The video that trek made is giving a wrong impression. I can't imagine that I need more clearance. And the boost stuff? I don't know. It's hard to distinguish what makes the bike feel good.

    Feel free to ask any questions, and I will try to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernils View Post
    Hello humans! As I've been reading your posts here for a while, I thought I should try to give something back. It's always interesting to hear about other peoples experiences with their bikes - especially before the tests come out.

    So I got mye Remedy 9 RSL today and went for a little ride. I currently ride a Slash 9.8 with syntace carbon handlebars and Fox 36 Fit4 up front. So thats what I compare it too. I love my Slash and think it's a very good bike. But I had some thoughts about what I'd like too see on the next iteration. The first thing I would wish for was that the rear shock could get a firmer pedal platform. The Debonair wallowed under pedalling. I also wanted a little less travel behind and a standard size so I could switch between coil and air. I also wanted the bike to be a little lower, and maybe a little steeper seat tube. So I was happy when I saw the new remedy. All my wishes for the next bike came trough. Trek is probably spying on me.

    So. I got the bike and went for a little ride today. It was kinda short and dark. But here is my impressions. I expected the bike to be a better climber, and more fun down, but with trade offs when it came to the sheer downhill confidence. Well, first of all, it was definitely a better climber. It bobs way less than the Slash. It seems to sit higher in it's travel. It was noticeably more inspiring to climb this bike. It may be due to the mino link that was set in high position. It comes installed this way. I forgot to flip it. I also didn't quite feel the need to put the fork in the lowest position. I know many people say you don't need it. But I'm not one of those. I missed it on my slash. So I think it says something about this bikes climbing qualities that someone who wants the function don't need it. Maybe I'll change my mind after putting flipping the minolink, or raising the bars or something. So going uphill definitely met my expectations.

    So what about going downhill? It actually felt almost the same as my slash. It seems to be a tad more playful. And it also think the bike felt the same when going over the rough stuff. Compared to the slash, I think the bike enjoys cornering even more.

    So obviously, I am very satisfied with mye need bike. The only negative thing I can think of would be the weight. It's heavier than my slash. Noticeably. So I guess I'll have to find somewhere to shed some weight.

    Other stuff. The knockblock stuff don't bother my. I actually like it. First, it almost go 90 degrees. The video that trek made is giving a wrong impression. I can't imagine that I need more clearance. And the boost stuff? I don't know. It's hard to distinguish what makes the bike feel good.

    Feel free to ask any questions, and I will try to answer.
    Great review, thanks for posting. I'll quietly go back to unrealistically lusting over the Remedy 9.9 RSL.

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    @supernils: thanks for sharing with us some first impressions. Interesting the comparison with the previous Slash, so from what I realized from your post it that the new Remedy it's absolutely the new enduro machine with 27,5 wheels.
    I have a couple of question for you:
    1) Is the rear shock tunable with volume spacers or is like the last year Fox Evol with RE:Aktiv that is like "pump and forget"?
    2) I've read that the new Deluxe is a really big improvement over the last Monarch Plus Debonair even it has not the piggyback?
    3) Tell us something about the Bontranger Drop Line. Is it a good seat post?
    4) Maybe for me the Remedy 9 is really to much with that 160 mm Lyrik fork. Do you think that the Remedy 8 with the 150 Pike fork in high geometry position can be more a aggressive trail bike than the enduro smasher or I have to look for another bike?

    Thanks for the patience, but in august I will order my first full suspension bike and the owner of my LBS with whom I have a great friendship, is the only who can grant me a good take off on the next year bike.
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    I'll try to answer your questions as best as I can. As previously said, I need more time on the bike. But here's some initial answers:
    1. I don't know if the rear shock is tunable with spacers. But what could be said, was that i was far from bottoming out. I was quite surprised, as I usually use all or almost all the travel.
    2. To me the shock seems like an upgrade, especially going uphill or flat.
    3. The bike came with a reverb dropper post.
    4. Too me, the bike feels just right with the 160mm fork. Hard to tell what difference 10mm would make. But this bike seems to be more of a trail bike than the slash, which several reviews noted has to be ridden hard to come alive.

    Overall, I think this bike is faster for enduroriding - at least how the races are here in Norway.

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    Why didn't they just call it the Slash 27.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hambocairns View Post
    Why didn't they just call it the Slash 27.5?
    Because the slash is a significantly different bike in ways outside of just wheel size. Different suspension configuration and tube set are the biggest differences.

    Model is much closer to a fuel than it is a slash. In 2017 anyway


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    Quote Originally Posted by incubus View Post
    Because the slash is a significantly different bike in ways outside of just wheel size. Different suspension configuration and tube set are the biggest differences.

    Model is much closer to a fuel than it is a slash. In 2017 anyway


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    i think this would be a great upgrade from my fuel for playfulness, i just fear the 150mm travel will suck up bunny hops too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by incubus View Post
    Because the slash is a significantly different bike in ways outside of just wheel size. Different suspension configuration and tube set are the biggest differences.

    Model is much closer to a fuel than it is a slash. In 2017 anyway


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    Not really.

    The Remedy 9 RSL is nearly the same as the Slash he is riding.
    Trek basically replaced the Slash 27.5 with the Remedy

    The new Slash basically replaced the Remedy 29er
    The new Fuel is almost like the 2016 Remedy 27.5 geo wise

    Each bike having a small geo difference over the one it's basically replacing
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    I think there is enough of a difference in geometry for the Slash to still be a stand alone model in it's own right rather than be classed as a Remedy 29er replacement. For me the 65 degree HA gives enough separation for the Slash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishywishy View Post
    i think this would be a great upgrade from my fuel for playfulness, i just fear the 150mm travel will suck up bunny hops too much
    Depends what you call playfulness? Smashing down trails at warp speed then yes. Popping and jumping of every little feature going then no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-X View Post
    I think there is enough of a difference in geometry for the Slash to still be a stand alone model in it's own right rather than be classed as a Remedy 29er replacement. For me the 65 degree HA gives enough separation for the Slash.

    2017 Remedy 9 RSL 65* HA
    2016 Slash 27.5 65* HA

    I feel Trek went the way they with the help of the EWS riders.
    160/140 Remedy 29er
    instead of using the Slash
    so now the Slash per them is the Enduro weapon they wanted
    160/150 29er

    I'm looking forward to the riding the Slash when they Demo truck comes through
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent701 View Post
    2017 Remedy 9 RSL 65* HA
    2016 Slash 27.5 65* HA

    I feel Trek went the way they with the help of the EWS riders.
    160/140 Remedy 29er
    instead of using the Slash
    so now the Slash per them is the Enduro weapon they wanted
    160/150 29er

    I'm looking forward to the riding the Slash when they Demo truck comes through
    Yeah, should be interesting to see how it rides compared to the Remedy 29er. I keep telling myself I don't need to go back to a bigger travel bike again but then I also keep telling myself it's only 10mm...
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    @supernils,
    How are the SRAM brakes? Some people say they are a weak link.

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    Ad NRP: I have only ridden the SRAM brakes a couple of times and only in the rear. I ride saint brakes, but haven't had the time to switch the rear one yet. So. They seem a little squishy compared to the saint, and seems to lack some power. But brakes seem to be a very personal choice. I'm the kind of guy that want much stopping power. But I don't think the brakes are bad. It's just that they don't suit me.

    I had another short ride today, which nothing but affirmed my thoughts from yesterday. The only striking thing i noticed was that the bike seemed to carry speed over medium sized ruts. At one place i expected the ruts to slow down the bike, but the rear end seemed to suck it up nicely.

    Still haven't tried it in the low setting, which - by the way - is 1.1 cm lower than the bottom bracket height at the slash. That's quite a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRP View Post
    @supernils,
    How are the SRAM brakes? Some people say they are a weak link.
    crap
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    I'm still bummed. I really wanted a 27.5+ Remedy.


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    @supernils: thanks for your answer, now I have a cleaner view on this Remedy.

    About this Sram Guide... Reading around I see that everyone has a different opinion. There's a really good review "The best MTB disc brake you can buy" on enduro-mtb where a lot of brakes were compared and even if the Guide is leaking of power they were chosen like the best in test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRP View Post
    @supernils,
    How are the SRAM brakes? Some people say they are a weak link.
    The Guide Brakes are the best brakes I've ever ridden. I have sold all of my Shimano XT brakes off my Remedy and Fat Bike and replaced with Guide RSC's. I have Guide's on my Slopestyle bike also. I'll ride them forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    @supernils: thanks for your answer, now I have a cleaner view on this Remedy.

    About this Sram Guide... Reading around I see that everyone has a different opinion. There's a really good review "The best MTB disc brake you can buy" on enduro-mtb where a lot of brakes were compared and even if the Guide is leaking of power they were chosen like the best in test.
    I Have never had a problem with the Guides will it got not in AZ.
    I had my Guides for a month. It summer came. Brakes n longer worked,
    IT's a HUGE problem right now here. Lot's of LBS are getting bikes with the Guides failing. One bike made it off the show room floor-home-next day back due to them locked up.

    After that, I'll never use SRAM again. I don't need a brake system I can only use during the winter time. which is still 70-8- degs.

    Stopping power for them were good. I do like the smaller levers of the XT/XTR over the guides though
    I haven't had a problem with my XT's or XTR's

    but I would assume in the colder parts of the US they may just work fine and never have a problem.
    Hell. I have a set of 180/180 Centerline rotors brand new in the package lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent701 View Post
    I Have never had a problem with the Guides will it got not in AZ.
    I had my Guides for a month. It summer came. Brakes n longer worked,
    IT's a HUGE problem right now here. Lot's of LBS are getting bikes with the Guides failing. One bike made it off the show room floor-home-next day back due to them locked up.

    After that, I'll never use SRAM again. I don't need a brake system I can only use during the winter time. which is still 70-8- degs.

    Stopping power for them were good. I do like the smaller levers of the XT/XTR over the guides though
    I haven't had a problem with my XT's or XTR's

    but I would assume in the colder parts of the US they may just work fine and never have a problem.
    Hell. I have a set of 180/180 Centerline rotors brand new in the package lol
    That's really bizarre, I had mine out this weekend in 101* actual temperature too and from the trails, rode slopestyle and 15 miles of single track, and never a hesitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenkiS14 View Post
    That's really bizarre, I had mine out this weekend in 101* actual temperature too and from the trails, rode slopestyle and 15 miles of single track, and never a hesitation.

    It's odd yes,
    It's happening to a lot of Guide users here.
    It's also 110 all day so if the bike is kept in the garage its getting the heat also.
    when I rode back when the problem happened it was easy 100-106 on the trails
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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    @supernils: thanks for sharing with us some first impressions. Interesting the comparison with the previous Slash, so from what I realized from your post it that the new Remedy it's absolutely the new enduro machine with 27,5 wheels.
    I have a couple of question for you:
    1) Is the rear shock tunable with volume spacers or is like the last year Fox Evol with RE:Aktiv that is like "pump and forget"?
    2) I've read that the new Deluxe is a really big improvement over the last Monarch Plus Debonair even it has not the piggyback?
    3) Tell us something about the Bontranger Drop Line. Is it a good seat post?
    4) Maybe for me the Remedy 9 is really to much with that 160 mm Lyrik fork. Do you think that the Remedy 8 with the 150 Pike fork in high geometry position can be more a aggressive trail bike than the enduro smasher or I have to look for another bike?

    Thanks for the patience, but in august I will order my first full suspension bike and the owner of my LBS with whom I have a great friendship, is the only who can grant me a 30% take off on the next year bike.

    Hi-

    I work for RS and made this shock... I'll try and answer any questions here (as time allows )

    This shock (and ALL Deluxe/Super Deluxe shocks) are tune-able with volume reducing 'Tokens' just like the forks. Rear shocks can currently accept up to 3 tokens total for maximum ramp. I believe the Trek Re:aktiv shocks are shipping with 2 tokens installed. You have to deflate the air-can, unscrew and pull it out of the way, then clip the new spacers in (or remove) and reverse the steps to put it all back together. Most of the time you don't even have to remove the shock from the bike.

    I think the Deluxe chassis is a noticeable upgrade over Monarch- smoother and MUCH better sealing/durability (per our test lab). It's hard to get a true back-to-back experience though- as you need a custom link or something to run the same bike with a new vs old shock.

    Also- I know RS will be offering aftermarket shock options for this bike and maybe the EX as well.

    As far as metric stuff goes- the shocks are available down to 2.5mm stroke options without going custom. IE a 230 eye to eye is available with 65, 62.5, 60 and 57.5mm strokes. After that you step down to a 210 eye to eye and 55, 52.5, 50, 47.5 stroke. On and on down to 35mm stroke.


    Anyways- enjoy the Remedy, it's a sweet bike.

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    Hi dicamp2 ! I've read almost all your post about the RE:aktiv and the last presentation of the Remedy on PB. I'm really satisfied that finaly someone from RockShox can give us some answers about this new dampers and the new tecnology. So thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcamp2 View Post
    Hi-

    I work for RS and made this shock... I'll try and answer any questions here (as time allows )

    This shock (and ALL Deluxe/Super Deluxe shocks) are tune-able with volume reducing 'Tokens' just like the forks. Rear shocks can currently accept up to 3 tokens total for maximum ramp. I believe the Trek Re:aktiv shocks are shipping with 2 tokens installed. You have to deflate the air-can, unscrew and pull it out of the way, then clip the new spacers in (or remove) and reverse the steps to put it all back together. Most of the time you don't even have to remove the shock from the bike.

    I think the Deluxe chassis is a noticeable upgrade over Monarch- smoother and MUCH better sealing/durability (per our test lab). It's hard to get a true back-to-back experience though- as you need a custom link or something to run the same bike with a new vs old shock.

    Also- I know RS will be offering aftermarket shock options for this bike and maybe the EX as well.

    As far as metric stuff goes- the shocks are available down to 2.5mm stroke options without going custom. IE a 230 eye to eye is available with 65, 62.5, 60 and 57.5mm strokes. After that you step down to a 210 eye to eye and 55, 52.5, 50, 47.5 stroke. On and on down to 35mm stroke.


    Anyways- enjoy the Remedy, it's a sweet bike.
    I'm a little disappointed Trek didn't spec the Remedy with a Super Deluxe or Monarch Plus (essentially I would have liked to have seen something that has the DebonAir air can). Can you comment on why they went that way? Was it due to cost or other factors (i.e. the air can wouldn't work with the "RE:active" technology?).

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charmingbob View Post
    I'm a little disappointed Trek didn't spec the Remedy with a Super Deluxe or Monarch Plus (essentially I would have liked to have seen something that has the DebonAir air can). Can you comment on why they went that way? Was it due to cost or other factors (i.e. the air can wouldn't work with the "RE:active" technology?).

    Thanks.

    Currently the RE:aktiv has a DebonAir can. On the new Deluxe and Super Deluxe the air cans have DebonAir volumes integrated into a more normal looking can... This is part of the benefit of the longer "metric" standard- the new design eliminates all the old DebonAir can seals and leak points. The bulge in the can around the negative spring area is that extra volume that used to be in the outer can. Also- Deluxe/Super Deluxe shocks have a Solo Air can option without the negative spring bulge that works well on shorter travel/ more XC oriented bikes.



    The Re:aktiv valve is designed around in-line adjusters (ie- rebound and compression adjuster rods are both concentric in the shaft) and re-doing the valve to work in a reservoir type shock (and it's adjuster configuration) would have been a lot more work.

    Basically- Trek designs the prototype valve and damper curves fits it inside a RS package then hands it off to RS. Then RS takes that design and sorts out the small details, testing and makes it suitable for mass-production (which is a lot of work ).




    I believe RS will make a stock Super Deluxe offering in Remedy sizing/hardware configuration for aftermarket sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcamp2 View Post
    Currently the RE:aktiv has a DebonAir can. On the new Deluxe and Super Deluxe the air cans have DebonAir volumes integrated into a more normal looking can... This is part of the benefit of the longer "metric" standard- the new design eliminates all the old DebonAir can seals and leak points. The bulge in the can around the negative spring area is that extra volume that used to be in the outer can. Also- Deluxe/Super Deluxe shocks have a Solo Air can option without the negative spring bulge that works well on shorter travel/ more XC oriented bikes.



    The Re:aktiv valve is designed around in-line adjusters (ie- rebound and compression adjuster rods are both concentric in the shaft) and re-doing the valve to work in a reservoir type shock (and it's adjuster configuration) would have been a lot more work.

    Basically- Trek designs the prototype valve and damper curves fits it inside a RS package then hands it off to RS. Then RS takes that design and sorts out the small details, testing and makes it suitable for mass-production (which is a lot of work ).




    I believe RS will make a stock Super Deluxe offering in Remedy sizing/hardware configuration for aftermarket sales.

    Remedy and Slash have the same sized shock. 230x57.5

    What does RS have thats equal to a Fox X2 that can be added unless the Super Deluxe is it.

    I am up in the air on two trek bikes and will upgrade the shock and fork.
    What does RS make thats equal to or better than a Fox 36 at 160mm
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    I don't think I have an unbiased opinion to answer your questions... Some people prefer RS stuff over Fox, some are the other way around.


    Super Deluxe is it for now. More to come...

    Lyrik is comparable to Fox 36.

    I'd probably not buy a complete bike that needs a fork and shock upgrade... Maybe just start with a frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcamp2 View Post
    I don't think I have an unbiased opinion to answer your questions... Some people prefer RS stuff over Fox, some are the other way around.


    Super Deluxe is it for now. More to come...

    Lyrik is comparable to Fox 36.

    I'd probably not buy a complete bike that needs a fork and shock upgrade... Maybe just start with a frame?
    would cost too much to build just the frame.
    I have had REALLY bad luck with RS Reba fork and my guide brakes.
    New bike has your RS1 on it though and I like it.

    The bike I am getting does have either a Lyrik or the 36
    so if the super deluxe is it it helps me with picking the model I want..

    thanks
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    @dcamp -- you work with Jimmy D over there?

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    Anyone know why Trek decided to put such terrible brakes on the 8 models of Remedy and Fuel EX?

    These BR-M447 are "deore" if you look in the obscure part of Shimano's website.

    On long technical downhills, I am experiencing fade and the lack of power and modulation have me shortening my day. I did a back to back ride with someone that had SLX brakes and it was like I was back on V brakes with the 447s.

    I love everything about my 2017 Remedy 8 but the brakes. Once the pads are done, I will be upgrade to SLX or XT. Sad really, because I would have been more than happy to pay the extra $40 for real Deore's or even $100 more for SLX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benyl View Post
    Anyone know why Trek decided to put such terrible brakes on the 8 models of Remedy and Fuel EX?

    These BR-M447 are "deore" if you look in the obscure part of Shimano's website.

    On long technical downhills, I am experiencing fade and the lack of power and modulation have me shortening my day. I did a back to back ride with someone that had SLX brakes and it was like I was back on V brakes with the 447s.

    I love everything about my 2017 Remedy 8 but the brakes. Once the pads are done, I will be upgrade to SLX or XT. Sad really, because I would have been more than happy to pay the extra $40 for real Deore's or even $100 more for SLX.

    /end rant

    That's actually quite annoying. My 2012 ex8 has SLX.. I see NO REASON why they would do something like that other than increasing profit margins.




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    Quote Originally Posted by stunnerable View Post
    That's actually quite annoying. My 2012 ex8 has SLX.. I see NO REASON why they would do something like that other than increasing profit margins.

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    They are a for-profit company...

    If they don't equip their bikes in a manner that is competitive with the market, the best thing we can do is vote with our wallets.


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    Prob to make the bike meet a certain price bracket and gross profit percent.

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    Hey Benyl or supernils, how did you get your remedy so fast? I've been looking around and no one can order them until August 15th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon2456 View Post
    Hey Benyl, how did you get your remedy so fast? I've been looking around and no one can order them until August 15th.
    My LBS got 2. One 18.5 and one 19.5.

    I've heard that trek does a small pre-release in June / July. The major release is done is September.


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    Anyone seen or ridden a 9.8 in person yet?

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    Does anybody know the difference between the Line Comp wheels (I guess they're OEM only, the 9 Rsl comes with them) and the Line Elite?

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    From my experience with the affinity comps vs affinity elites which I use in cyclocross, the elites are a bit lighter but much stronger (I rarely have to true them as opposed to the comps). Same probably holds true for the Lines.

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    Thank you. Comparing the 9.9 and 9 specs (Elite vs Comp) I've seen that for Elites is specified "54T Rapid Drive", so probably they have different hubs too (with less poe for the Comp).

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    Quote Originally Posted by incubus View Post
    They are a for-profit company...

    If they don't equip their bikes in a manner that is competitive with the market, the best thing we can do is vote with our wallets.


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    I'm all for capitalism! But that's straight up penny pinching. Like a BMW M3 with all the trimmings except for the base 320i brakes. Insulting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zoorlen View Post
    Thank you. Comparing the 9.9 and 9 specs (Elite vs Comp) I've seen that for Elites is specified "54T Rapid Drive", so probably they have different hubs too (with less poe for the Comp).
    The difference in the hubs is probably superficial, much like with DTSwiss differences between their 240S and 350 ranges. I'm also pretty certain DTSwiss manufacture hubs for Bontrager and as such the ratchet upgrade form the elite hub can be applied to the comp hub in the same way that you can upgrade DTSwiss hubs.
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    I read a review about the Bontrager Line Elite Tlr 2016 on an italian web site. What's for sure is that the hubs have DT Swiss mechanism (maybe they are just a rebranding of the 240), there are 28 spokes with straight head, the nipples are made from Alpina in ergal, aluminum 6061 rims and the camber is asymmetric.

    I suppose that the Comp wheels compared to the Line Elite (2017) has just bulkier hubs, nipples and spokes with less expensive bearings and 36 t ratchet

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    I have already bulked my rear rim. It's seems like they're just as soft as the maverick pro-rims that came with my Slash 9.8 2016. The rim has just a little dent. Not big of a problem, just annoying.

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    @supernils: can you tell me if your remedy has the new Guide brakes with S4 calipers or the old one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    I suppose that the Comp wheels compared to the Line Elite (2017) has just bulkier hubs, nipples and spokes with less expensive bearings and 36 t ratchet
    The 36t ratchet would be great, but the safest bet it's that they have the 18t ratchet like DT 350s.

    Quote Originally Posted by supernils View Post
    I have already bulked my rear rim. It's seems like they're just as soft as the maverick pro-rims that came with my Slash 9.8 2016. The rim has just a little dent. Not big of a problem, just annoying.
    Sad to hear that. What are your weight and typical tire pressure?

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    I'm 80kg plus equipment. I probably run something around 25psi rear. So it's probably my own fault.

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    Not really to low. Maybe you was just riding too hard or it was just bad luck

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    25 Psi is pretty high I would say!!

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    So had the chance to test the new Remedy. Unfortunately it was only the 9.8 and not the RSL Version like 9.9 or 9 RSL.

    First of all, the suspension felt very plush. I guess this is also due to the fact, that its brandnew and my Slash did not have a Suspension service for 2 years (will get done end of season).
    The Remedy was tested in the steeper position, so that means 66.5 vs 65.0 on my slash. Here are my thoughts:

    - Never EVER anything else than 1x11 (or 1x12), even though the 2x10 on the Remedy worked fine
    - lots of dropped chain on the Remedy
    - Remedy climbs better than my Slash, even though its almost 1kg heavier
    - Remedy pedals more efficienctly than my Slash
    - the Remedy is a pretty capable bike (testet on Bikepark and Enduro race course): it soaked up the little bumps very good, very sensible suspension, but if you go big, I think (or I do believe to think) you notice the missing 10mm of travel
    - whish the Remedy had a remote for the lockout
    - the XT brakes were a joke, never experienced that much shifting centre of pressure

    - when I switched to my Slash, I realized how amazingly PLANTED the Slash felt in comparison
    - it felt so much faster, more capable on the decents than the Remedy, it also felt more secure on highspeed downhills
    - it felt like you sat ON the remedy comparing to the Slash, where you sat more IN the bike

    I think, with burlier tires / more travel / slacker geometry and 1x11, the new Remedy could match the 2015+ descents performance. So I could imagine the 9.9 RSL would be a nice successor of the previous Slash, but it definitely has to be the RSL with the slacker, same low geometry as the Slash. The "normal" Remedy is no match to the Slash in relation to downhill/descents. Just a bit dissapointed, that even the RSL version comes with a 180mm front rotor instead of a 200mm...

    2017 Remedy-imageyzhewoxpdu.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by benyl View Post
    Anyone know why Trek decided to put such terrible brakes on the 8 models of Remedy and Fuel EX?

    These BR-M447 are "deore" if you look in the obscure part of Shimano's website.

    On long technical downhills, I am experiencing fade and the lack of power and modulation have me shortening my day. I did a back to back ride with someone that had SLX brakes and it was like I was back on V brakes with the 447s.

    I love everything about my 2017 Remedy 8 but the brakes. Once the pads are done, I will be upgrade to SLX or XT. Sad really, because I would have been more than happy to pay the extra $40 for real Deore's or even $100 more for SLX.

    /end rant
    Funny you should say that. Shimano brakes are mechanically the same across the range - same fundamental design for lever & calliper, same piston size, same amount of fluid moved etc etc.
    All you get if you spend more $$ is more adjustment, and a higher level of finish and manufacturing materials. I run SLX, and I immediately installed ice-tec pads and pad retainer screws instead of the split pins. This makes them exactly the same as XT (apart from the crappy 'free-stroke adjust' that XT has, which doesn't do anything anyway).

    If you are experiencing genuine 'fade & lack of power' compared to SLX, then the brakes aren't set up properly. Granted, this may take longer without the higher-spec adjustment bells & whistles, but believe me when I say that your Deores are pretty much the same brakes as your buddy's SLX.

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    Thanks for the review and the photo, I'm dying to test ride a Remedy 9.8. A couple questions if you don't mind-

    What size did you ride, how big are you and how was the reach? I'm stoked that they started spec'ing them with a 35mm stem, which means I probably won't have to replace it.

    Did you notice the knock block at all? Anything good or bad about that?

    Did you try the different damper settings on the shock? (open, pedal, lock)

    For an all around trail bike used for climbing, descending and trail riding, what's your opinion of the Remedy?


    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy87 View Post
    So had the chance to test the new Remedy. Unfortunately it was only the 9.8 and not the RSL Version like 9.9 or 9 RSL.

    First of all, the suspension felt very plush. I guess this is also due to the fact, that its brandnew and my Slash did not have a Suspension service for 2 years (will get done end of season).
    The Remedy was tested in the steeper position, so that means 66.5 vs 65.0 on my slash. Here are my thoughts:

    - Never EVER anything else than 1x11 (or 1x12), even though the 2x10 on the Remedy worked fine
    - lots of dropped chain on the Remedy
    - Remedy climbs better than my Slash, even though its almost 1kg heavier
    - Remedy pedals more efficienctly than my Slash
    - the Remedy is a pretty capable bike (testet on Bikepark and Enduro race course): it soaked up the little bumps very good, very sensible suspension, but if you go big, I think (or I do believe to think) you notice the missing 10mm of travel
    - whish the Remedy had a remote for the lockout
    - the XT brakes were a joke, never experienced that much shifting centre of pressure

    - when I switched to my Slash, I realized how amazingly PLANTED the Slash felt in comparison
    - it felt so much faster, more capable on the decents than the Remedy, it also felt more secure on highspeed downhills
    - it felt like you sat ON the remedy comparing to the Slash, where you sat more IN the bike

    I think, with burlier tires / more travel / slacker geometry and 1x11, the new Remedy could match the 2015+ descents performance. So I could imagine the 9.9 RSL would be a nice successor of the previous Slash, but it definitely has to be the RSL with the slacker, same low geometry as the Slash. The "normal" Remedy is no match to the Slash in relation to downhill/descents. Just a bit dissapointed, that even the RSL version comes with a 180mm front rotor instead of a 200mm...

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    Hey

    I rode a 18.5". I don't know what reach it had, but it felt shorter than my 18.5" Slash 9.8

    The only time I noticed the Knock Block was when I load the bike into my wagon. There is more movement than on a DH bike (with lets say a BoXer)

    Yes I tried all the different damper settings. Lock is almost a full lockout, even if you stand up for pedaling, it bobs very little.

    I think for a all-round trial bike it is great, but not so much for really rough and fast downhills, I think for this you need to take the RSL version. And the 9.8 I tested came in the steep position, so if you change that and maybe go 1x12, it would be a pretty sweet bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz View Post
    Funny you should say that. Shimano brakes are mechanically the same across the range - same fundamental design for lever & calliper, same piston size, same amount of fluid moved etc etc.
    All you get if you spend more $$ is more adjustment, and a higher level of finish and manufacturing materials. I run SLX, and I immediately installed ice-tec pads and pad retainer screws instead of the split pins. This makes them exactly the same as XT (apart from the crappy 'free-stroke adjust' that XT has, which doesn't do anything anyway).

    If you are experiencing genuine 'fade & lack of power' compared to SLX, then the brakes aren't set up properly. Granted, this may take longer without the higher-spec adjustment bells & whistles, but believe me when I say that your Deores are pretty much the same brakes as your buddy's SLX.
    Sorry to say, but you are incorrect.

    XT, SLX, and the Deore 615 are fundamentally the same. Piston material is the only difference.

    Deore 447 are a different design. Ice-tec pads are not compatible with this caliper.

    All 2017 8 level bikes come with this caliper from what I have seen.

    If I got Deore 615s, I would not have complained.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy87 View Post
    So had the chance to test the new Remedy. Unfortunately it was only the 9.8 and not the RSL Version like 9.9 or 9 RSL.

    First of all, the suspension felt very plush. I guess this is also due to the fact, that its brandnew and my Slash did not have a Suspension service for 2 years (will get done end of season).
    The Remedy was tested in the steeper position, so that means 66.5 vs 65.0 on my slash. Here are my thoughts:

    - Never EVER anything else than 1x11 (or 1x12), even though the 2x10 on the Remedy worked fine
    - lots of dropped chain on the Remedy
    - Remedy climbs better than my Slash, even though its almost 1kg heavier
    - Remedy pedals more efficienctly than my Slash
    - the Remedy is a pretty capable bike (testet on Bikepark and Enduro race course): it soaked up the little bumps very good, very sensible suspension, but if you go big, I think (or I do believe to think) you notice the missing 10mm of travel
    - whish the Remedy had a remote for the lockout
    - the XT brakes were a joke, never experienced that much shifting centre of pressure

    - when I switched to my Slash, I realized how amazingly PLANTED the Slash felt in comparison
    - it felt so much faster, more capable on the decents than the Remedy, it also felt more secure on highspeed downhills
    - it felt like you sat ON the remedy comparing to the Slash, where you sat more IN the bike

    I think, with burlier tires / more travel / slacker geometry and 1x11, the new Remedy could match the 2015+ descents performance. So I could imagine the 9.9 RSL would be a nice successor of the previous Slash, but it definitely has to be the RSL with the slacker, same low geometry as the Slash. The "normal" Remedy is no match to the Slash in relation to downhill/descents. Just a bit dissapointed, that even the RSL version comes with a 180mm front rotor instead of a 200mm...

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    How did you find cornering on the Remedy vs your Slash? Just wondering if the lower bottom bracket makes that much of a difference. What tires where on the 9.8 that you tried? On the website it's specked with XR4 4.0 tires which I think would be burly enough for DH performance.

    I have a 2016 Slash that I'm very happy with, I'm considering the 2017 Remedy 9.8 but my biggest reservation is the rear shock, I really wish it came with a external reservoir as were I ride has pretty long decent (and I'm not the lightest guy either).

    Also, on a side note, it should be pretty easy to convert the Remedy 9.8 from a 2x11 to 1x11, I think all you need is some spacers for the chain ring so it lines up properly.

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    Here is mine:



    Running a 180 travel Lyrik. It weighs just under 30lbs as pictured (with tool/tube/pump).

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    Ho ho ho! New wheels from Sram? God man that frame is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charmingbob View Post
    How did you find cornering on the Remedy vs your Slash? Just wondering if the lower bottom bracket makes that much of a difference. What tires where on the 9.8 that you tried? On the website it's specked with XR4 4.0 tires which I think would be burly enough for DH performance.

    I have a 2016 Slash that I'm very happy with, I'm considering the 2017 Remedy 9.8 but my biggest reservation is the rear shock, I really wish it came with a external reservoir as were I ride has pretty long decent (and I'm not the lightest guy either).

    Also, on a side note, it should be pretty easy to convert the Remedy 9.8 from a 2x11 to 1x11, I think all you need is some spacers for the chain ring so it lines up properly.
    Didnt feel mich difference in cornering. I came from the Magic Mary and comparing to these, the Bontrager tires looked and felt like citytires...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    Ho ho ho! New wheels from Sram? God man that frame is awesome!
    Don't hold your breath on the wheels... they won't be for sale


    Yes- frame is pretty sweet!


    here's my buddy (on slash) and me (on remedy) at Solvista

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    THIS! That slomo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qELU...ature=youtu.be


    Quote Originally Posted by dcamp2 View Post
    Don't hold your breath on the wheels... they won't be for sale


    Yes- frame is pretty sweet!


    here's my buddy (on slash) and me (on remedy) at Solvista

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    hey dcamp, nice bike and riding! I assume you've had the chance to ride the slash -- can you comment on why you chose the remedy (or do you have a slash as well)? do you know why trek decided not to put the reactiv internals into the super delux on the slash? not cost effective since the higher spec bike is getting the fox shock? conceptually it seems like it would be beneficial in a race bike.

    edit: I noticed you already addressed the lack of reactiv in the reservoir shock on the previous page.

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    The remedy frame was given to me for some of the reaktiv development (Trek had Remedy frames way before Slash frames) I haven't had much time on the Slash.


    If I was going to buy one, it would be the Slash since I do some racing and I think 29" is faster. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

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    Does anyone know the max front and rear tire width that will fit on the 2017 Remedy? I'm thinking of the 9.8 with a Boost Pike if it matters -- from pictures there doesn't seem to be a ton of clearance under the arch on the lowers with the stock 2.4 tire....

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    On the presentation video was said that the max width is 2.5"

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    Also curious about the tire clearance, but only concerned about the width of the arch.
    I want to know if 26" x 2.8-3.0 would clear.

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    Good job! Luving my swap to new Remedy 9.9 RSL F/S

    I'm a stoked owner of the new Remedy 9.9 F/S which replaced my 'last year's' (2016) nude carbon/orange F/S with. I just had to pull the trigger with all of the upgrades, the 150mm increase in the rear was the straw that broke the camel's (and my wallet's) back! Did my first ride on a local trail that's got enough climbing and some semi-rowdy DH to get a good feel for how incredibly awesome this new Remedy rides - I was WOW'd all afternoon!

    It wasn't a clean easy swap going from the '16 to the '17, I can comment on all that I learned in my next post, but I'm so happy I made the decision. Went from this...

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    To....

    2017 Remedy-17-remedy.jpg

    I'm running a 19.5", Fox 36 converted to 160mm, XTR 1x w/ XT shifters and cassette, DT Swiss XM1501 SplineOne 30mm, Maxxis Ardent 2.4 front, Maxxis Ikon 2.35 rear, Easton Haven dropper (125mm), Easton Haven 35mm bars 730mm, Bontrager Line Pro 35mm stem specific for Knock Block - would have liked to use my longer RF Turbine but the HS spacers for Knock Block (KB) will not be available until November, go figure Trek!

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    @dcamp, yes, thanks for all of the input on the RS shocks (and RAD riding you got footage of!)...I felt like mine rode very nicely heading up Heil yesterday. I tried the slightly stiffer mode for climbing and I couldn't tell much of a difference. I can say that I was expecting the climbing on this new '17 to be a little less enjoyable than my '16; felt the same to me and I went from 26.48 lbs to 26.84 on the new rig.

    So I had mentioned my swap was NOT a clean frame swap. This was due to 1) new Boost spacing F/R, I kept 100 on front as I kept the Fox 36 100m. 2) Different stem size, I was running Easton EC90 SL bars with the normal 31.8mm clamp, ooops! Scrambled to get new Haven bars with 35mm. Switching to XTR 1x gave me some challenges as well. I ordered an XT 32T 1x (M8000) chainring thinking it would go right on my XTR crank, NOPE! Not only did I need to get an XTR 32T, but also had to order new outside bolt clamps/caps at $67 cost. The other part that threw me was when I unpacked the F/S, I noticed a very odd looking BB. I've probably had 25 OCLV bikes (road and mtb) over the years, and have always dealt with the typical BB shell where you press in the Enduro 24mm bearings, this frame now has PF92. Again, scramble to get a PF92 BB. My bad for not doing my complete homework on the specs.

    Also, on the new Control Freak internal routing, I had a super tough time with the rear hydraulic line, especially in the rear chainstay. The downtube was pretty easy. Also, using the cable tie down on the underside of the DT, WOW! That was a trick but wasn't too horrible!

    In the end, it all worked out and I'm super psyched to have this bike!

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    Sorry for the word puke! One more, thanks for reading!

    My question for everyone reading: My only outstanding mystery is if its OK to run a NON-Boost XTR race crankset on this bike. When I installed it, I had used no spindle spacers, the chainline seemed spot on but my MRP chain guide actually rubbed the inside of the chain on my 32T. This seemed odd as I used NO washers on the connection to the frame chain guide mounts so it was as far inside as it could go. I had put a 2mm spacer on the non-drive crank arm; so then I moved that 2mm to the drive side. This is where I felt like the chainline was off and the crank was too far out. But, my MRP chain guide fit well using 1mm washers on the frame connection. Also, when I looked at the distance between my L/R crank arm to the chainstay, there was a BIG difference. The non-drive side was very close to the chainstay, like 1-2mm (too tight!). The drive side was pretty far out, about 6-7mm. I figured this can't be right.

    So I got on with Trek chat support and was simply trying to find out what spacers I should use with my setup. Then I find out, I'm supposed to be using a Boost specific crank, doh! It should have a 3mm offset on the drive side to account for your cassette in the rear now being 3mm further out. Makes sense, right? The Trek rep said it can be doable with a NON Boost crankset, using spacers, but they do NOT recommend it (of course, they must say that).

    Bottom line, I'm a little perplexed as I ended up returning the 2mm spindle spacer to the non drive side, took a file to to the chain guide mounts and removed about 1.5mm of paint, put the crank back on with NO spacers and the chain guide fits well (going back to no washers on chain guide). The chainline seems correct. The Trek rep did say I need a chainline of 49-50mm. I measured this as best as I could with a non-symmetrical seat tube. I think its a fine setup as I am seeing about 50mm chainline with my XTR NON-Boost crankset. I can also say that I had no chain jump or falling off riding for close to 2 hours on a very choppy bumpy trail system.

    Comments, suggestions, advice?

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    maybe you should just give it a go without a guide?
    I've never dropped a chain after almost a year of riding


    New bike looks the goods, was the old one a 29er?

    I am a little confused tho, so you bought a 9.9 RSL frame set or full ready to go bike setup?

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    I've actually got the guide aligned well now, thanks. I had built up a '16 F/S in 27.5 and then upgraded the F/S to the new '17 version. I sorta liked the color scheme of the 9.8 better but it's not available in a F/S only, another reason I switched back to 1x as the 9.9 does NOT have a front derlr mount, 1x only. I was ok with that as there is now the 46T XT cassette available that I will put on this bike asap - I'm a little 'past my racing prime' so I need the lower gearing. I ran the XX1 with a 32T and 42T cog lowest gear for a while on my Superfly but there were enough times when I wished I had a 30T ring.

    I find it strange that my drive train seems to be binding a bit in the lowest gear on a simple 40T cog (with my 32T ring), wondering how the 46T cog will perform, maybe it'll just be a bail out gear used about 10% of the time...
    Quote Originally Posted by LinkyPinky87 View Post
    maybe you should just give it a go without a guide?
    I've never dropped a chain after almost a year of riding


    New bike looks the goods, was the old one a 29er?

    I am a little confused tho, so you bought a 9.9 RSL frame set or full ready to go bike setup?

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    *I should say, never dropped a chain on a 16' remedy with XT 1x11


    Yeah I see the jump from 27.5 to 27.5 being comparable, I don't think I could go back to the smaller wheels myself.. or go with less travel (fuel ex) ... So I'd have to go slash if I wanted a new bike.
    lol I dont need a new bike and I dont need 150-160mm enduro weapon haha or do i =)


    Guess if you already have the parts then its no drama to go the route you went, I was just a little confused as to run it that way and not buy the 9.9 complete bike

    I run 1x11 XT 34 up front with the 11-42 i'm fine for everything, not a racer either.
    I wouldnt say no to a 11-46 in the future however

    I don't get any binding, could be an issue with the whole boost thing and chain line you previously mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duner3 View Post
    I'm a stoked owner of the new Remedy 9.9 F/S which replaced my 'last year's' (2016) nude carbon/orange F/S with.
    I'm running DT Swiss XM1501 SplineOne 30mm, Maxxis Ardent 2.4 front, Maxxis Ikon 2.35 rear.
    Nice looking build! Do you have any opinions on the tire clearance in the rear? Trek has not imported one of these to Sweden yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by dcamp2 View Post
    Running a 180 travel Lyrik.
    You seem like a suspensions guy! Do you happen to know if the 180 Lyrik has a different Axle to Crown measurement than the 160? I can't seem to find this info anywhere! And if so, do you have any input regarding it's climbing abilities compared to a 160? And also, how is the sensation overall, running 150 in the rear and 180 up front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinkyPinky87 View Post
    *I should say, never dropped a chain on a 16' remedy with XT 1x11


    Yeah I see the jump from 27.5 to 27.5 being comparable, I don't think I could go back to the smaller wheels myself.. or go with less travel (fuel ex) ... So I'd have to go slash if I wanted a new bike.
    lol I dont need a new bike and I dont need 150-160mm enduro weapon haha or do i =)


    Guess if you already have the parts then its no drama to go the route you went, I was just a little confused as to run it that way and not buy the 9.9 complete bike

    I run 1x11 XT 34 up front with the 11-42 i'm fine for everything, not a racer either.
    I wouldnt say no to a 11-46 in the future however

    I don't get any binding, could be an issue with the whole boost thing and chain line you previously mentioned?
    Thanks for the feedback but I think things are good after doing a couple of rides it seems to be loosed up a bit and not binding. I'm thinking I've got my crank/spacer setup ok as I wouldn't want to have my drive side out any further than it is using 0 spacers. My chain guide doesn't rub after filing off the paint on the mounting tabs around the BB. I'm still very curious to check with Trek and maybe get another answer as they say the chainline should be 49-50mm and I should be using the Boost version of my crank. From what I can tell, I'm seeing a 50mm chainline with a non-Boost crank and 0 spacers on drive side...seams odd.

    After doing some tough climbing yesterday using a 32T ring and 11-40 cassette, I'm re-thinking the 46 cassette now and will most likely get the 42. Crazy how good this Remedy climbs, I'm giddy!

    Just a heads up on the 11-46 cassette, their description says this: The largest cog is positioned inboard and above the drive-side flange. hubs with tall drive-side flanges may not be compatible due to spoke interference

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    Forgot to mention, I didn't do the full bike as I was afraid it be tougher to sell the '16 full bike vs selling the F/S and wheels. That being said, I have my '16 F/S and barely used XTR Trail wheels for sale. I have the F/S posted here on Classifieds but haven't put the wheels up yet; they are posted locally on CL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristoteles View Post
    Nice looking build! Do you have any opinions on the tire clearance in the rear? Trek has not imported one of these to Sweden yet.



    You seem like a suspensions guy! Do you happen to know if the 180 Lyrik has a different Axle to Crown measurement than the 160? I can't seem to find this info anywhere! And if so, do you have any input regarding it's climbing abilities compared to a 160? And also, how is the sensation overall, running 150 in the rear and 180 up front?


    180 Lyrik is 20mm taller than a 160 Lyrik.

    It's worse at climbing, but still fine for me. Seems balanced overall (180 vs 150) but I mostly use the bike for DH park riding and such. If it was my only trail bike I'd probably be on a 170 fork.

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    Just took mine out for the first ride today I took all the parts off my old bike except I had to change over my king hubshell to boost and get haven carbon bar (35mm) its so slack and long I love it and I feel like it climbs better that my 15 trek fuel ex9 it is also significantly lighter which may have something to do with it. Descending gives you so much confidence. This is my first long travel bike and I really like the way it feels. Cornering with the wheel so far out in front takes some getting used to, but for me it makes it that much easier to distribute my weight to the front without the fear that my tire will wash.

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    Mine Remedy 8 is coming and maybe this week it will get all the upgrades! Can't wait to put my ass on that thing

    By the way... This year the Remedy topic is a bit... ehm... "Empty". Seems like a lot of people has switched to the Fuel EX

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    By the way... This year the Remedy topic is a bit... ehm... "Empty". Seems like a lot of people has switched to the Fuel EX
    Clear reason for me: itīs not available anymore as a 29er. And thatīs the main reason why people switched to the Fuel EX. I could bet: next year Trek will offer the Remedy again also as a 29er...

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    There is no more reason to offer the Remedy with 29" wheels. If you want an enduro 29" there is the Slash and the Fuel Ex is covering the segment of trail / aggressive trail 29 bikes

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    Yea, I sold my 2015 Remedy 9.8 in favor of a 2017 Fuel EX 9.8 w/ 140mm fork. Because the new Fuel Ex has longer TT, Slacker HT, shorter CS, and lower BB than my old Remedy. And it's a stronger, stiffer frame! It's more "Remedy" than the old Remedy was lol

    I'm stoked about my switch, but that 2015 Remedy 29 will always have a special place in my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcamp2 View Post
    180 Lyrik is 20mm taller than a 160 Lyrik.

    It's worse at climbing, but still fine for me. Seems balanced overall (180 vs 150) but I mostly use the bike for DH park riding and such. If it was my only trail bike I'd probably be on a 170 fork.
    OK, thanks. It makes sense. But it wasn't super easy to figure out. Since RockShox only lists the 180 with AC - 572mm. (Neither RockShox or SRAM can me emailed..)
    And Trek specs the 150mm version with Pike AC - 542mm as 66.5°. And the 160mm Lyrik version with only 65°, AC - 552mm. So 1.5° difference with only 10mm longer fork should be impossible. They do know about this now though, and says they will fix it.
    But what I want to get is the Lyrik 170 Boost. That is used on the Nomad, Enduro, and even Merida and so on. Seems nowhere to be bought unfortunately!?

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    Remedy 9 RSL en route! So damn stoked. Coming off a 2016 Remedy 9 27.5 so it will be interesting to compare.

    I did jump from 19.5 to 21.5, partly because 19.5s weren't available but I had actually been considering 21.5 anyway... I'm just over 6' and always felt my 19.5 2016 Remedy was a tad short. Looking at the numbers I gained almost two inches in reach and quite a bit in wheelbase... Hopefully I like that as much as I think I will!
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    Hello, do you think the 2017 Remedy is always good climber as Remedy 2016? Is it still a good bike trail / mountain? I loved the 2016 model, it was really versatile, a good bike for long rides on technical trail! ! ! I want to replace my Giant trance advenced the remedy August 2017 ... But the remedy seems oriented enduro in 2017, it is heavier ... what do you think? (I'm french, sorry my English is very average ...!) Thank you for your answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob11 View Post
    Hello, do you think the 2017 Remedy is always good climber as Remedy 2016? Is it still a good bike trail / mountain? I loved the 2016 model, it was really versatile, a good bike for long rides on technical trail! ! ! I want to replace my Giant trance advenced the remedy August 2017 ... But the remedy seems oriented enduro in 2017, it is heavier ... what do you think? (I'm french, sorry my English is very average ...!) Thank you for your answers.
    Reports seem to say it climbs just as well as the old one, but that's just what I've read. In a week or so I'll report back with some thoughts, though they will be about the RSL model with the longer fork.

    Mine gets here tomorrow, hopefully I can find time to build it up and get out on Saturday!

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    HELLO TheDwayyo, thank you for your answer! the RSL verssion is great ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob11 View Post
    HELLO TheDwayyo, thank you for your answer! the RSL verssion is great ;-)
    Got it on Friday and so far I've only gotten two rides, both on wet rocks... But the thing is on rails descending, completely unshakable as far as I've been able to tell. Climbing I do note a bit of sluggishness, but I also went up a size (19.5-21.5) with this bike. Feels great, but it will take some adjusting for the length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    . Climbing I do note a bit of sluggishness, but I also went up a size (19.5-21.5) with this bike.

    Thank you for it back! Compared with any bike model when you notice a little slow in climbing?

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    What is the ID of the Duster Elite 27.5 rims? I can't find the spec anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob11 View Post
    Thank you for it back! Compared with any bike model when you notice a little slow in climbing?
    It's the longest travel, slackest, longest top tubed, heaviest bike I've ever owned, so it's not a surprise that it seems a bit slow on climbs and on flats... But honestly that feeling is fading as I get used to it (four, two hour rides so far). It seems that the increased size (again, I went from a 19.5 to a 21.5 this time around) is really the main thing I'm feeling and I'm adjusting to that quickly.

    Yesterday I was running out of light and did a particularly loose, technical climb pretty quickly. Maybe not as fast on some of my previous bikes, but close enough that I don't really care.

    Been doing some DH and freeride on it the last couple days... The penalty in climbing is well worth the confidence when it gets steep and chunky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not2shabby View Post
    What is the ID of the Duster Elite 27.5 rims? I can't find the spec anywhere.
    Which specs do you need? I have the Remedy 8 with that wheels

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    thanks TheDwayyo for your return ! I will try a remedy 8 2017, I'd give you some news! the geometry looks very good...

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    Hi,
    i'm 5'5'' tall my actually remedy 9 29 2015 is a 15,5 size, is a great bike, but for me is too short, now I'm looking for Remedy 9 650b RSL and think to buy a 17,5 size, but I'm a little confused, someone can help me?

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    I helped out at a demo/Octoberfest shindig yesterday, and laid hands on a couple of these new Remedies. Want. Fingers crossed firmly for an early release next spring of a 2018 29er model!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    I helped out at a demo/Octoberfest shindig yesterday, and laid hands on a couple of these new Remedies. Want. Fingers crossed firmly for an early release next spring of a 2018 29er model!
    I think the new Slash pretty much eliminates the need or possibility of a 29er Remedy.

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    It would be cool if they came out with a RSL Fuel 29er w/ 140mm. I just can't see why Trek does come out with an Aluminum Framed Slash for the US. They'd sell faster than an Emily Batty Calendar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    Which specs do you need? I have the Remedy 8 with that wheels
    The Inner Diameter (ID) of the wheel.
    like 19mm or 21mm etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by brent701 View Post
    The Inner Diameter (ID) of the wheel.
    like 19mm or 21mm etc
    This.

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    So I think I going to try and pull the trigger this spring and get a XL Remedy 8 from my LBS. I demoed the 9.8 this summer and loved it. I'd love to get the remedy 9 but I don't think the wife would let me spend that much. I'm ok with most of the parts on the R8 but here are a few I'd like to change out ASAP:

    -Sell the pike on craigslist and get the new MRP Ribbon or stage for the front end (I've got a buddy who has a buddy who can help we score one.
    -See if my LBS can upgrade the wheels set to either the bontrager Line Elite or something else that's lighter, wider, and with a good easy to service hub (live in the wet PNW). I've also seen some new take off boost wheelset on PB and CL for<$400 with decent hubs and wheels.
    -Upgrade the brakes from the Deore to either sram RSC or shimano XT. Like to keep in the sram family so as to utilize the matchmaker clamps.
    -MRP chain guide and bash guard.

    I don't know much about the KS eThirty integra dropper that it comes with, is it worth the upgrade up front or later?

    What do you guys think?

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    The KS eThirty in my opinion is the rebranded version of the e Ten integra. It's a decent seat post but it's basic. I've upgraded my Remedy 8 with the Bontrager Drop Line 150 mm and for the price (maybe you can get a good discount from your lbs) it'a really good seat post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddiesconfusion View Post
    So I think I going to try and pull the trigger this spring and get a XL Remedy 8 from my LBS. I demoed the 9.8 this summer and loved it. I'd love to get the remedy 9 but I don't think the wife would let me spend that much. I'm ok with most of the parts on the R8 but here are a few I'd like to change out ASAP:

    -Sell the pike on craigslist and get the new MRP Ribbon or stage for the front end (I've got a buddy who has a buddy who can help we score one.
    -See if my LBS can upgrade the wheels set to either the bontrager Line Elite or something else that's lighter, wider, and with a good easy to service hub (live in the wet PNW). I've also seen some new take off boost wheelset on PB and CL for<$400 with decent hubs and wheels.
    -Upgrade the brakes from the Deore to either sram RSC or shimano XT. Like to keep in the sram family so as to utilize the matchmaker clamps.
    -MRP chain guide and bash guard.

    I don't know much about the KS eThirty integra dropper that it comes with, is it worth the upgrade up front or later?

    What do you guys think?
    leave it and ride it... upgrade it when it breaks or if its not working/becoming a hindrance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by not2shabby View Post
    What is the ID of the Duster Elite 27.5 rims? I can't find the spec anywhere.
    The Duster Elite rims has 23 mm ID.

    The other specs are:

    28 spokes x wheel 2 cross
    diameter of the spokes 2 mm
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    Those duster's on the R8 seem heavy and narrow (comparitivly). I think I'm going to see if my LBS can build up a wheelset for me when I get the R8. I've got someone I can get a pair of WTB's asym i29 or i35 with SRAM XO hubs and have the shop use a good double butted spoke and brass nipple.

    I'm not sure to do the i29 or i35?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddiesconfusion View Post
    I'm not sure to do the i29 or i35?
    With a Boost fork you can go 2.8 or 3.0 at least so wider i35 or more would be worthwhile.
    Might as well go the same for the rear.

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    That's kind of what I was thinking. Although isn't 2.5 the widest tire you can run on the rear of the 2017 remedies?

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    I have a wheelset of WTB i35 rims with Hope Pro 4 hubs. Trust me: those rims are really wide and heavy. It's really hard to find the tires with the proper shape. Go with a rim with max 29mm of id

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddiesconfusion View Post
    That's kind of what I was thinking. Although isn't 2.5 the widest tire you can run on the rear of the 2017 remedies?
    So they say. Haven't tried for myself.

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    I'm having a hard time deciding between the 2017 FEX 8 27+ or Remedy 8. They're the same price and I like the + tires, but the Remedy intrigues me. Would it be overkill for Midwest trails?

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    Hi there. I am ready to order the carbon frameset in 19.5". One question. Since the seat tube is bent i reckon that there is a clearance issue with my Turbine dropper post 150. does anyone know how long the seatpost may insert at the 19.5" frame?

    Thanks a lot

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    Here is my Remedy. Guys... that's a great bike.

    2017 Remedy-20161026_114017.jpg2017 Remedy-20161026_114026.jpg2017 Remedy-20161026_114156.jpg
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    I'm assuming your bike is the remedy 8? The pics are blurry and hard to see. What is the length of the KS dropper post that comes stock on these and have you had a chance to weigh it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muggel View Post
    Hi there. I am ready to order the carbon frameset in 19.5". One question. Since the seat tube is bent i reckon that there is a clearance issue with my Turbine dropper post 150. does anyone know how long the seatpost may insert at the 19.5" frame?

    Thanks a lot
    No, but I can fit exactly 19cm / 7.5" inside my 17.5" frame seat tube

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddiesconfusion View Post
    I'm assuming your bike is the remedy 8? The pics are blurry and hard to see. What is the length of the KS dropper post that comes stock on these and have you had a chance to weigh it yet?
    Re loaded the pictures in high resolution.
    I have not weighted the bike yet and sometimes is better ignore some details, particulary with these wheels/tires combo.

    About the KS e-thirty... total lenght from the minimum point of insertion to the head of the seat post was +/- 33,5 cm.
    Sold it still packed when it arrived with the bike and ordered a Bontrager drop line 150 mm.

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    Great idea, that's exactly what I plan to do with the 125 mm drop line that my fuel will come with, I'll be putting a 150 on as well.

    What size frame is your Remedy?

    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    Re loaded the pictures in high resolution.
    I have not weighted the bike yet and sometimes is better ignore some details, particulary with these wheels/tires combo.

    About the KS e-thirty... total lenght from the minimum point of insertion to the head of the seat post was +/- 33,5 cm.
    Sold it still packed when it arrived with the bike and ordered a Bontrager drop line 150 mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgdblue View Post
    Great idea, that's exactly what I plan to do with the 125 mm drop line that my fuel will come with, I'll be putting a 150 on as well.

    What size frame is your Remedy?
    Mine is a 19,5". I have 85 cm inseam and with the 150 mm dropper I'm fine. Anyway the difference between the 125 mm and 150 mm dropper is not that big. My advice is to try riding the seatpost and valutate before changing, maybe you can save some money.

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    But the KS that comes stock on the remedy 8 is a 125mm drop correct? When I tried to find it on KS's website it wasn't there and the closest one said it was only a 100mm drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddiesconfusion View Post
    But the KS that comes stock on the remedy 8 is a 125mm drop correct? When I tried to find it on KS's website it wasn't there and the closest one said it was only a 100mm drop.
    Yep! The Ks e-thirty has only 100 mm of travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    The KS eThirty in my opinion is the rebranded version of the e Ten integra. It's a decent seat post but it's basic. I've upgraded my Remedy 8 with the Bontrager Drop Line 150 mm and for the price (maybe you can get a good discount from your lbs) it'a really good seat post.
    Does the 150mm dropper slam all the way down or is it stopped by the seat tube bend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duner3 View Post
    Bontrager Line Pro 35mm stem specific for Knock Block - would have liked to use my longer RF Turbine but the HS spacers for Knock Block (KB) will not be available until November, go figure Trek!
    Has anyone seen the other Head Set Spacers for the this bike yet? To be able to use any stem with the Knock Block setup. Or at least know what they will look like?

    EDIT: Part Number: 545523

    Thinking about making My own keyed spacer from a regular carbon spacer. Or to mill down the keys from the head set cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristoteles View Post
    Has anyone seen the other Head Set Spacers for the this bike yet? To be able to use any stem with the Knock Block setup. Or at least know what they will look like?

    Thinking about making My own keyed spacer from a regular carbon spacer. Or to mill down the keys from the head set cover.
    Here is the best pic I have on my phone. It's basically just clamp with the keys on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang183 View Post
    It's basically just clamp with the keys on it.
    Thank you! Where did you get that?
    I can't really see the use for it to be a clamp though. The same thing would happen to the stem / fork regardless, even if it just was a spacer without a clamp.
    Other than that, it may release some pressure of the keys themselves in case of a crash.

    And btw, Trek should really mention this in the geometry of the bike. Since it becomes solid a part of the frame. It heightens the stack and shortens the reach. Not by much, but it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristoteles View Post
    Thank you! Where did you get that?
    I can't really see the use for it to be a clamp though. The same thing would happen to the stem / fork regardless, even if it just was a spacer without a clamp.
    Other than that, it may release some pressure of the keys themselves in case of a crash.

    And btw, Trek should really mention this in the geometry of the bike. Since it becomes solid a part of the frame. It heightens the stack and shortens the reach. Not by much, but it does.
    I ordered it from my local trek dealer. I had to give them the part number because they couldn't find it in any catalog or parts breakdown. The point of the clamp is to keep the steerer tube in line with the knock block. Since aftermarket stems do not have provisions for the knock block spacers there is nothing but the slight down pressure of the stem keeping the knock block top cap in line.


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    I hope I'm not duplicating a question already answered but; whats the maximum length of seat tube you can insert on the new 2017 frames?

    I chatted with trek and this is what they sent me:

    Alright, well, we don't have the exact length of post you can insert into the frame- what we do have is what your saddle height (from the BB to the top of saddle) would be in millimeters. For a 21.5 Remedy 8 and our Bontrager Drop line 150mm you would have a min saddle height of 776mm and a max height of 916mm. For a 150mm Rockshox Reverb, you'd be looking at 771mm min, and 936mm max

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang183 View Post
    I ordered it from my local trek dealer. I had to give them the part number because they couldn't find it in any catalog or parts breakdown. The point of the clamp is to keep the steerer tube in line with the knock block. Since aftermarket stems do not have provisions for the knock block spacers there is nothing but the slight down pressure of the stem keeping the knock block top cap in line.


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    OK, thanks! Do you still have the part number available? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

    EDIT: Part Number: 545523
    Just can't find anywhere to get it. (Sweden)

    I can now also understand the benefit of the clamp design!
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddiesconfusion View Post
    I hope I'm not duplicating a question already answered but; whats the maximum length of seat tube you can insert on the new 2017 frames?

    I chatted with trek and this is what they sent me:

    Alright, well, we don't have the exact length of post you can insert into the frame- what we do have is what your saddle height (from the BB to the top of saddle) would be in millimeters. For a 21.5 Remedy 8 and our Bontrager Drop line 150mm you would have a min saddle height of 776mm and a max height of 916mm. For a 150mm Rockshox Reverb, you'd be looking at 771mm min, and 936mm max
    I'm in the same boat. Currently deciding between a Bronson V2 large and Remedy 8 large and upgrading to guides for brakes. I contacted my local Trek dealership and they were not able to confirm if a 150mm dropper would fit and be able to be slammed all the way down to seat tube.

    Can anyone confirm a 2017 large will take a 150mm dropper without limiting seat lowering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierramtber View Post
    I'm in the same boat. Currently deciding between a Bronson V2 large and Remedy 8 large and upgrading to guides for brakes. I contacted my local Trek dealership and they were not able to confirm if a 150mm dropper would fit and be able to be slammed all the way down to seat tube.

    Can anyone confirm a 2017 large will take a 150mm dropper without limiting seat lowering?
    That is what the Trek Chat told me. so No problem for me with my 150 turbine Dropper:

    "Ok, onto max post insertion.

    That would be 285 mm. Be sure to include the actuator at the bottom of your dropper post in the total length.

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    That is on the 19.5" frame?

    Brian
    Yes."

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    If anyone has some more feedback on my post here please let me know:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristoteles View Post
    Thank you! Where did you get that?
    I can't really see the use for it to be a clamp though. The same thing would happen to the stem / fork regardless, even if it just was a spacer without a clamp.
    Other than that, it may release some pressure of the keys themselves in case of a crash.

    And btw, Trek should really mention this in the geometry of the bike. Since it becomes solid a part of the frame. It heightens the stack and shortens the reach. Not by much, but it does.
    A normal stem would not interface with the spacers and the headset cap which is why it would not work.

    Why would an aftermarket part be included in the geometry?

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    Hi, at the end I ordered a 9 RSL size 15,5 and I don't understand if the bontrager dropper post, in this size of frame, is 100 or 125 mm, someone can help me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh8 View Post
    A normal stem would not interface with the spacers and the headset cap which is why it would not work.

    Why would an aftermarket part be included in the geometry?
    Huh?
    Yes, I know that, hence My post. And thats why I initially thought of grinding the keys down from the head set cover itself. And btw, you somehow quoted Me before My edit of the post? You must have been online/active in this thread for 1 day without updating? Heh

    It is a high end bike. I want to use a high end stem, like a lightweight billet one, or even a carbon stem. At least be able to use one in the future. Because that is the future. Trek don't provide that, yet.

    And unless you use Trek's own mid end stem (and too long), slammed to the headset. You will need at least that new November released Trek Bontrager spacer clamp in between, which in turn will change the geometry. Thats why I don't really consider it to be aftermarket. And rather a part of a disclaimer geometry change instead. Otherwise, I'm a happy owner of this frame!
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    Hi Folks

    I finally got my 19.5" 9.9RSL frame kit. As you can see absolutely no issue to insert the RF Turbine 150mm Dropper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muggel View Post
    Hi Folks

    I finally got my 19.5" 9.9RSL frame kit. As you can see absolutely no issue to insert the RF Turbine 150mm Dropper.
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    Awesome build! Looks like you have a Formula on the front! Is that the Selva?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    Awesome built! Looks like you have a Formula on the front! Is that the Selva?
    Thanks. It s a 35 with 160mm travel and custum decals

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    where are these bikes? i live in san diego and the website says it has to be special ordered...

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    Hi, I have just got my 2017 Remedy and have changed the stem on it, using the knock block adapter. The knock block system seems to be working fine but when it kicks in and stops turning, if I push a bit harder it will keep going until the forks hit the frame.. Is this supposed to happen? I can't remember if it did this with the original stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samherd View Post
    Hi, I have just got my 2017 Remedy and have changed the stem on it, using the knock block adapter. The knock block system seems to be working fine but when it kicks in and stops turning, if I push a bit harder it will keep going until the forks hit the frame.. Is this supposed to happen? I can't remember if it did this with the original stem.
    It's not supposed to but the adapter clamp has a lot less clamping force than the original stem. I tightened my adapter more than the recommended 2nM but if I push hard enough it will still slip.
    I plan on machining some notches into the bottom of my Deity Cavity stem so the knock block spacers will mate with my stem.


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    2017 Remedy-img_0453.jpg I finally got around to installing a 125mm Fox Transfer dropper. The bike shop gave me credit for the original KS E-Thirty so I could upgrade. 2017 Remedy-img_0452.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang183 View Post
    It's not supposed to but the adapter clamp has a lot less clamping force than the original stem. I tightened my adapter more than the recommended 2nM but if I push hard enough it will still slip.
    I plan on machining some notches into the bottom of my Deity Cavity stem so the knock block spacers will mate with my stem.


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    Ah ok I see, it just doesn't have the same force as the stem. According to Trek you can do it up much tighter than 2Nm anyway. Sounds like a good idea. I'm assuming it won't actually matter if the forks do hit the frame in a crash because of the protection, it's just like triple crown forks hitting the frame guard on a DH bike..

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    Does anyone know if the Bontrager Line Comp wheels of the Remedy 9 can be converted from the Shimano driver to an XD driver?


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    Quote Originally Posted by samherd View Post
    Ah ok I see, it just doesn't have the same force as the stem. According to Trek you can do it up much tighter than 2Nm anyway. Sounds like a good idea. I'm assuming it won't actually matter if the forks do hit the frame in a crash because of the protection, it's just like triple crown forks hitting the frame guard on a DH bike..
    I've not seen this bike in person, but I had the same thought regarding bumpers on DH bikes, and how that's a non-issue. Not sure why Trek didn't just beef up the bumpers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang183 View Post
    Does anyone know if the Bontrager Line Comp wheels of the Remedy 9 can be converted from the Shimano driver to an XD driver?


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    The Remedy 9 has the 1x11. You can change it to Shimano.

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    Built up this bad boy yesterday2017 Remedy-img_1018.jpg

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    Going 26 Plus with mine.
    Hyping this new wheel order without even tried riding it myself yet. Nextie rims and WTB Ranger 3.0 tires. About 3-4mm clearance on each side.


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    Let us know how this beast goes uphill and downhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by aristoteles View Post
    going 26 plus with mine.
    Hyping this new wheel order without even tried riding it myself yet. Nextie rims and wtb ranger 3.0 tires. About 3-4mm clearance on each side.

    omfg get rkd thats amaze!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleks11 View Post
    Let us know how this beast goes uphill and downhill
    For sure! Unfortunately it will be a couple of months until riding it. This is a winter build. (Sweden) I wanted something to do, and to look forward to during the colder months. I'm not sure whether the time surpasses any faster though.

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    omfg get rkd thats amaze!
    Haha, thanks bro!
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    I have been lurking here for the past month and I demo-ed a remedy 9 last week. I got hooked.

    Ended up purchasing the R8. Initial thoughts is that it felt heavier than the 9,although website says its lighter. Perhaps it's the heavier wheelset, with a lighter fork messes with the weight distribution? Also noticed rims were Def narrower. I switched the geometry to the slacker mode after the first ride.

    For now, the trek 8 definitely isn't as nice as the 9 was to ride, however I hope this is just a set up issue with the suspension.

    When setting up the suspension with trek website numbers, I only get approx 15-17% sag on the pikes. Although the actual measurement in mm seemed to match website recommendation (23mm) . Is this normal?

    Also, website recommends rebound "x clicks out" . Can I assume this is from the turtle setting?

    The recommended shock psi seemed high, was not achieving the reccomeded sag, so I dropped to approx 185-190psi from 220psi to achieve the recommended sag.

    Anyways, will report how I get on!

    For all your reference :
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    Quote Originally Posted by not2shabby View Post
    I'm having a hard time deciding between the 2017 FEX 8 27+ or Remedy 8. They're the same price and I like the + tires, but the Remedy intrigues me. Would it be overkill for Midwest trails?
    I'd like to bump this question back up, as I'm struggling with the same decision. I got clearance from the wife to buy a new bike (once I can come up with the dough). I've been really looking at the Trek Fuel EX9 29er, and thinking that's what I was going to get. I was talking with my LBS manager, and he suggested either a FEX 8 27+ or Remedy 8. His point was that I already have a '15 Stache 29er, why not get something different. He's never steered me wrong before, so this has me thinking. How is the Remedy for general trail riding?
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