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    Transition throttle & vanquish

    new carbon hardtails to replace the Trans Am rrp in the UK is £1750 for the frame

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    Yeah, since the £ took a nosedive we seem to have returned to the days where in the UK we pay in £ what the US pays in $.

    They're a couple of very good looking hardtails though.

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    Always a fan of harcore hardtails riding a Whyte 905 myself. These two look really nice, although BB height looks a bit tall at 335 for the throttle. I guess it suits their own terrain better than something lower, but I wonder how it affects the ride (mine's 305mm)

    Price is a bit steep though, I hope they follow up with steel or alu versions at friendlier price points.

    They really nailed the aesthetics I have to admit, they're both great looking.

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    Great looking bikes. Why isn't this thread 50 pages long already? OK I'll start:

    No price point steel or alloy options

    No 27.5+ compatibility.

    and go..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    Great looking bikes. Why isn't this thread 50 pages long already? OK I'll start:

    No price point steel or alloy options

    No 27.5+ compatibility.

    and go..............
    Steel option would be nice. Alloy with this geo and spec is worthless. I don't blame them for not bothering.

    Throttle fits 2.6 tire. That's plenty. 27.5+ is a gimmick anyway.

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    Alu worthless? Don't think so. Two differently spec'ed alu versions (for example NX with Sektor and GX with Yari) would considerably widen the buyer spectrum. I believe such offerings would suit the hardcore hardtail demographic better pricewise. Or newcomers who don't want a XC hardtail. Current versions are $$$$$.

    If they intented to offer steel versions they would have probably kept the Trans Am model name.

    As for the old steel vs alu argument, design can also determine how a bike feels. Not all alu or steel frames are created the same. Add 2.5-2.6 tyres and I'm sure an alu ht can be pretty forgiving.

    Anyway, glad to see ht's back in the trail bike game.

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    Think this is just what happens... last Trans Am was awesome. Could it have been a little nicer... sure. For the price, probably not. Margin is probably a good bit higher on the plastic bikes and they are moving their line forward with this all around.

    A steel option? Been there, done that. Alum? Nah... the carbon is a big jump up from where they were... tack another grand onto your HT? Not me, I'd just buy an alloy Scout

    I do like that the weight is half my steel bike, but I don't except to move away from TA - geo is pretty close on the Vanquish anyway.

    If I had the money or I hadn't already bought a TA, I might... every carbon HT I've ridden has ridden awesome, and if Transition did some work, I don't doubt these will. The TA could definitely be more compliant... but it's a bruiser.
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    I'm surprised that I have not seen hardly any chatter on these bikes since the launch. I've had a TransAM for years and was looking forward to replacing it when it was eliminated from the line-up. The announcement of these frames was a welcomed surprise.

    I took delivery of a Vanquish this past Saturday and put down three rides. So far really impressed. Much like everything else Transition makes, it's a ton of fun to ride and just wants to rip. Their bikes have the best personalities. If anyone has any questions about the ride, post up and I'll offer whatever feed back I can.

    I suspect once this bike catches on, they won't be able to keep them in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickey View Post
    I'm surprised that I have not seen hardly any chatter on these bikes since the launch. I've had a TransAM for years and was looking forward to replacing it when it was eliminated from the line-up. The announcement of these frames was a welcomed surprise.

    I took delivery of a Vanquish this past Saturday and put down three rides. So far really impressed. Much like everything else Transition makes, it's a ton of fun to ride and just wants to rip. Their bikes have the best personalities. If anyone has any questions about the ride, post up and I'll offer whatever feed back I can.

    I suspect once this bike catches on, they won't be able to keep them in stock.
    I'm really interested in one of these frames but it's just the wrong time of year for me. All of the upper elevation trails are thawing out and a hardtail is more of a winter bike for these parts.

    What kind of trails have been on with the Vanquish? When I asked Transition about the two frames they said Throttle if you like air and Vanquish if you want to put in the miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    I'm really interested in one of these frames but it's just the wrong time of year for me. All of the upper elevation trails are thawing out and a hardtail is more of a winter bike for these parts.

    What kind of trails have been on with the Vanquish? When I asked Transition about the two frames they said Throttle if you like air and Vanquish if you want to put in the miles.
    I would say that Transition likely summed up the two bikes well in that statement. To be clear, I have not rode the Throttle but based on how the Vanquish handles, I imagine the throttle is like a BMX bike for the trails.

    I'm in lower Michigan and we have pretty traditional singletrack - roots, rocks, small burms and a few natural features but nothing excessive. Both the climbs and downhills would not be considered long by anyone in a mountain area but our trails are constant up and down. Punchy climbs and short but quick descents, typically putting you right into another climb. Lots of tight twisty technical sections, linking up corners and rolling downhills right into uphills.

    The bike is really stiff and the hardtail obviously shines on the climbs. I find it more agile than my TransAM was. By my second ride on my "home" trail, I was easily taking tighter lines on corners that I have ridden the same line on for years. It just loves to dive into the corners - the swoop factor is high.

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    I'll echo this--I rode the Vanquish last night. It is a hard charger trail bike--just with less suspension. The 120 fork and fixed rear makes the rider more attached to the trail, and this has benefits and drawbacks. You can be super fast and agile, it goes where you want, it climbs like crazy, it goes down like crazy.

    The down for some is that you can't just sit there and plow over shit. You need to be off the seat more--the suspension is in your legs.

    Short version--really cool trail bike that can tackle a lot more terrain than you might realize. But you can't ride it like a full-sus bike.

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    They look like nice frames but I was disappointed by the lack of steel and singlespeed dropouts. The last Trans Am has good geometry but their dropouts suck and the internal dropper cable routing is not optimal.

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    Who's gonna single speed a 1600$ carbon frame?

    I like the fixed dropout design. The FAST dropouts on the TA aren't that bad. I don't know how they'd work if I actually moved them, but slammed forward and loctite'd up, they work fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    Who's gonna single speed a 1600$ carbon frame?

    I like the fixed dropout design. The FAST dropouts on the TA aren't that bad. I don't know how they'd work if I actually moved them, but slammed forward and loctite'd up, they work fine.
    Uhm, I'm eating pancakes and drinking coffee. It's delicious!

    You haven't tried to run the TA dropouts SS? Yeah, they're not that great. And to answer your question, people who ride singlespeeds will SS whatever hardtail hey own, no matter the frame material, as long as the dropouts accommodate it. But if you look at my post I was referring to the lack of a steel and SS option...

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    Their bikes are badass and pretty damn close to what I'm looking for in my next bikes. Question though, I only have experience with 29'ers, why would they make the more aggressive, long travel bike with 27.5 wheels over 29?

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    Hickey we need pics dammit!

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    The pic request is reasonable. So it's a simple 1x11 GX drive trail with Anvl stem, bars and wheels but I had the rear wheel rebuilt with an Onyx boost hub. Pike 120 up front and I had to use a parts bin post for now but an E.13 dropper is not far out. Chromag Trailmaster DT seat because for me, it's the best fit.

    Transition - if you are listening, Anvl parts are fantastic - why not offer an Anvl parts spec? This bike would be the perfect victim.

    All of this made possible by my local Transition dealer Pat from Backdoor Bikes. Pat is the man. I think is was less than a month from the time I saw the press release until I put down my first ride on this bike.

    And again, as if I haven't said it enough - this bike absolutely rips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felix1776 View Post
    Their bikes are badass and pretty damn close to what I'm looking for in my next bikes. Question though, I only have experience with 29'ers, why would they make the more aggressive, long travel bike with 27.5 wheels over 29?
    It's the same it was with the TA series. It's easier to make a longer travel with the smaller wheels and keep the geo in check. Also, you don't really need as much travel on a 29er because the wheels get stopped us less due to a better angle of attack.
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    Looks sweet! Water bottle matches perfectly as well

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    Built my Throttle up last week, absolutely love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    Built my Throttle up last week, absolutely love it!
    sooooo. pics? weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyLight350z View Post
    sooooo. pics? weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
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    Looks badass! How are you liking it so far? any highlights?

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    The bike is very good on steep technical sections, the low toptube and 175mm dropper give great standover height clearance. It also loves tight, twisty singletrack, the thing flows along nicely. The carbon frame really takes the edge off the stiffness of the Enve wheels which I found to be too harsh on my Stanton Ti Slackline. The Throttle also climbs really well considering its downward bias. The internal cables are a pita to run (especially the dropper one!) and the rear axle is a 5mm hex (non issue for me as 36 is the same) which may annoy some but minor points really. All in all I love it, feels like a hardtail Bronson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    The bike is very good on steep technical sections, the low toptube and 175mm dropper give great standover height clearance. It also loves tight, twisty singletrack, the thing flows along nicely. The carbon frame really takes the edge off the stiffness of the Enve wheels which I found to be too harsh on my Stanton Ti Slackline. The Throttle also climbs really well considering its downward bias. The internal cables are a pita to run (especially the dropper one!) and the rear axle is a 5mm hex (non issue for me as 36 is the same) which may annoy some but minor points really. All in all I love it, feels like a hardtail Bronson.
    So you find the frame a bit more compliant that the switchback ti?
    I quite fancy this bike (or the vanquish) but worry it will be harsh.

    I had a canfield EPO for a short while, I found that really quite harsh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    So you find the frame a bit more compliant that the switchback ti?
    I quite fancy this bike (or the vanquish) but worry it will be harsh.

    I had a canfield EPO for a short while, I found that really quite harsh....
    Steel is real. Look into a Ragely BigWig if you want an aggressive (but compliant) 29er hardtail frame. Inexpensive too!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Steel is real. Look into a Ragely BigWig if you want an aggressive (but compliant) 29er hardtail frame. Inexpensive too!
    Yea love a steel. Will have a look at the big wig - cheers. Had a Stanton Sherpa Steel and a Production Privee Stan GT - both compliant. But heavy.....

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    Yes, I was surprised just how compliant the Throttle frame turned out to be. I did back to back testing with the Ti Switchback Mk2 using exactly the same components and the Throttle was more comfortable. Both are great frames but I preferred the Transition in the end, the Stanton felt a little short and tall after riding the Throttle. The frame is also 1.5lbs lighter as well. The Vanquish also rode well but much preferred the more involving ride of the smaller wheels. I get the whole steel thing, I had a 26inch Cotic BFe that I loved but was just too tall in the seat tube. With the arrival of longer droppers they really need to lower the standover heights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    Yes, I was surprised just how compliant the Throttle frame turned out to be. I did back to back testing with the Ti Switchback Mk2 using exactly the same components and the Throttle was more comfortable. Both are great frames but I preferred the Transition in the end, the Stanton felt a little short and tall after riding the Throttle. The frame is also 1.5lbs lighter as well. The Vanquish also rode well but much preferred the more involving ride of the smaller wheels. I get the whole steel thing, I had a 26inch Cotic BFe that I loved but was just too tall in the seat tube. With the arrival of longer droppers they really need to lower the standover heights.
    Thanks. Did you have a Long stanton? Or the regular? I have a switchback ti mk2 18" long....

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    I also had the 18" long. The throttle is longer, lower and lighter. Given how highly rated the Stanton is, it will be interesting to see how the Transition frame reviews.

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    liking the longer geometry, maybe I can finally ride a bike without an offset seatpost

    wish they would have fit the XL with holes for 2 bottle holders, looks like there would be plenty of room with the downtube bottle moved forward a few inches

    not sure I'll pony up the cash for a carbon HT but the Vanquish would definitely make the short list

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    To those who have sat on a vanquish....

    It has a long eTT for its size. Anyone find it too long? Seems like 1" longer than other bikes out there... Can't find one anywhere near me to sit on. Bit worried about ordering one blind.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    To those who have sat on a vanquish....

    It has a long eTT for its size. Anyone find it too long? Seems like 1" longer than other bikes out there... Can't find one anywhere near me to sit on. Bit worried about ordering one blind.....
    How tall are you? What have you been riding? I'd focus on reach more than ETT. I just picked up an XL.
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    Im 6'4' I have the xl I love it. 50mm stem 840mm bars. TT is long but pretty in line with modern fs bikes. hardtails are finally catching up.

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    Thanka guys. I'm 6'1 but with a 35" inseam which means my height is in my legs. I normally prefer bikes with a steep seat angle and shorter eTT (but longer reach)

    I fired up photoshop last night, scaled down pictures of the vanquish and shan GT and overlayed them. A Large Shan is almost identical size to a medium Vanquish. As I rode and XL shan GT I think a large will be fine.

    I have a Spider 275c for the fun twisty trails so think I'm going to go for a vanquish over a throttle for speed and climbing.

    How do you like it Nolamonster? Have you had any other 29er hardtails you can compare it against?

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    As said above, its geometry is inline with modern FS bikes. No issues going between the Throttle and my Bronson. I found my Stanton Slackline Ti Mk2 to feel a little short after riding my Santa Cruz.

    The large Vanquish I tried as a demo felt good, not overly long. I just prefer 27.5 wheels which is why I ended up with the Throttle.

    As for speed and climbing, the Throttle is seriously fast. The more I ride it the more I love it.

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    Ive had a number of 29er hardtails but most were custom with similar geometry, most recently a waltworks 29+ and seven cycles sola ti built with honzoish geo. the stock bikes I've had have been more xc than the vanquish. So far this one is my favorite climbs great, descends better and is a ton of fun on tight twisty stuff. And with descending it wants to go! I ended up throwing in some huck norris tire inserts after shredding 2 tires in 2 rides. I'm hitting stuff just a touch slower than on my hightower so I needed a little security since tires aren't cheap.

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    Just got my Throttle on Thursday - only one ride but lot of fun so far. Swapped out to a 60mm stem, Enve bar and Minion/Rekon 2.6 tubeless but rest of bike is stock build kit - just not the build kit they list on the webpage....

    Bike with Tool kit, tube, pump, pedals ready to ride is 27 pounds 14 oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    just not the build kit they list on the webpage....

    Bike with Tool kit, tube, pump, pedals ready to ride is 27 pounds 14 oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbd View Post
    How did you get a better stock build?
    No idea - but am glad. Its what was it the box when the shop ordered it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    No idea - but am glad. Its what was it the box when the shop ordered it for me.
    Transition has a new build kit in stock for 2018 that's not shown on their 2017 website right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruppguts View Post
    Transition has a new build kit in stock for 2018 that's not shown on their 2017 website right now.
    That was kind of my guess - was a pleasant surprise though.

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    Just orderd my Vanquish Frame - Orange / Large.

    33% off! Amazed that these bikes are in the 2017 sale when they only came out a few months ago. I would expect the colourways to remain the same for 2018.

    Cant wait to build it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Just orderd my Vanquish Frame - Orange / Large.

    33% off! Amazed that these bikes are in the 2017 sale when they only came out a few months ago. I would expect the colourways to remain the same for 2018.

    Cant wait to build it up.

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    Hey guys, I picked up an XL Vanquish and I LOVE IT but after a couple rides it's just a little too long for me when I'm in the saddle... I'm 6'3" but it's all in my legs, and I think I've finally found my limit on these longer each numbers with my short arms. I've bought lots of bikes without trying them just by careful geo study and comparisons, but unfortunately finally missed the mark. It's got maybe two hours of riding on it and is in perfect condition minus a small paint chip that occurred in the bottom bracket area. The downtube, chain stays, and yoke are all protected with 3M protective film. I know this isn't the buy and sell, but if anyone is curious shoot me a PM. I'd be willing to take a bit of a hit on frame and fork price if I have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruppguts View Post
    Hey guys, I picked up an XL Vanquish and I LOVE IT but after a couple rides it's just a little too long for me when I'm in the saddle... I'm 6'3" but it's all in my legs, and I think I've finally found my limit on these longer each numbers with my short arms. I've bought lots of bikes without trying them just by careful geo study and comparisons, but unfortunately finally missed the mark. It's got maybe two hours of riding on it and is in perfect condition minus a small paint chip that occurred in the bottom bracket area. The downtube, chain stays, and yoke are all protected with 3M protective film. I know this isn't the buy and sell, but if anyone is curious shoot me a PM. I'd be willing to take a bit of a hit on frame and fork price if I have to.
    Have you tried a 35mm stem and putting the seat all the way forward?

    You could also try moving the stem up the fork steerer as far up as it will go (and use a lower rise bar if this means the bars are too high) - you'll loose a few mm of reach this way too.

    Plus a slightly narrower bar will help....

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    Suspicious of why these have suddenly dropped in price. Anyone know why? If I do pick one up, does anyone know what fork offset should be used in a vanquish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Suspicious of why these have suddenly dropped in price. Anyone know why? If I do pick one up, does anyone know what fork offset should be used in a vanquish?
    I donít understand why there are zero reviews of the bikes anywhere either!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Suspicious of why these have suddenly dropped in price. Anyone know why? If I do pick one up, does anyone know what fork offset should be used in a vanquish?
    Where have they dropped, seems the same on their website and others...?

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    They had gone from £1800 to £1150 on Merlin cycles but they've now gone up to £1620

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    Still on at £1350 at bike active, give them a call and theyíll take less.

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    Anyone have the weight for a Vanquish stock complete? (medium if ya got it)
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    I just bought a size large throttle and took it out for the first ride. 21 miles of wet muddy Seattle riding. This bike rails!
    I was originally a bit concerned by the lack of forum comments and real reviews, but i am glad I bought one anyway.
    Mostly stock build with a few changes. Weighs around 26.5# tubeless with rekon 2.6/2.8 tires on wide alum rims.

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    Nevermind, shop got two different stories, they have plenty.

    Vanquish on the way!
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    Sure having fun on mine - just wish i could get out more

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    Loving the new Vanquish. Stock size medium with the stock chunky tires and pedals 26 lbs 12 oz if I recall right. Corner grip is high with this one. Love how much the fork locks out for fire road climbs. Will probably do a bit of XC racing with this thing after figuring out some lighter but durable tires. Might do some Light Bicycle or Carbonfan wheels, maybe an XO1 eagle cassette. Hopefully will get a Sentinel later this year for smashing things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    Just got my Throttle on Thursday - only one ride but lot of fun so far. Swapped out to a 60mm stem, Enve bar and Minion/Rekon 2.6 tubeless but rest of bike is stock build kit - just not the build kit they list on the webpage....

    Bike with Tool kit, tube, pump, pedals ready to ride is 27 pounds 14 oz

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    I am really interested in how this bike rides. I live in Michigan and currently own a Farley and a broken Anthem SX frame. I'm looking to replace the anthem with a new bike this year. I like the Santa Cruz 5010, but bikes like the Throttle and Kona Honzo are very similar geometry wise. I rode the Farley all year last year, and didnt miss the full suspension. Everyone in Michigan will say Full suspension is overkill for the trails we ride. I thought i was on track for the 5010 but this Throttle is really tempting. I'd love to hear any feedback regarding the ride characteristics of the throttle since I wont be able to demo in my area. Thanks

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    Bought mine with no test ride - just looked at the geometry and compared to other bikes i've ridden. I could have went large or medium but opted with the medium for the 'more fun' aspect - i'm 5'10" for reference. The bike has not disappointed - its been a blast to ride and i'm even thinking of doing some XC races just for the heck of it.

    The only thing i'm debating is a longer dropper - its got a 150 on there now and with the short seattube there is a bit of post still out and there are times i wish i could get it a bit lower.

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    I have yet to ride a bike with more than a 120mm fork. It seems like the carbon frame and 140mm fork would be a smooth ride. It sounds like the bike is fast and not afraid to be a little rowdy as well. Any downsides that you have noticed?

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    Not yet - i've ridden some XC stuff as well as some rowdy downhill ish type trails and has been nothing but fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BishMTB View Post
    I have yet to ride a bike with more than a 120mm fork. It seems like the carbon frame and 140mm fork would be a smooth ride. It sounds like the bike is fast and not afraid to be a little rowdy as well. Any downsides that you have noticed?
    I have ridden my Throttle on XC type trails and steep rowdy trails on Tiger Mountain/Raging River near Seattle. It is an incredible bike and handles everything great. Highly recommended!
    For reference, I am 5-10 and usually in between M and L sizes. I went with the Large, and installed a 31mm chromag stem to shorten up the reach and the fit is great. I have ridden it with Rekon tires (2.6 rear/2.8 front) as well as Minion DHF/DHR2 tires. for the steeps I prefer the Minions but the Rekons are a bit faster rolling for XC type trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BishMTB View Post
    I have yet to ride a bike with more than a 120mm fork. It seems like the carbon frame and 140mm fork would be a smooth ride. It sounds like the bike is fast and not afraid to be a little rowdy as well. Any downsides that you have noticed?
    I know you guys are talking about the Throttle but I've been riding the Vanquish since it came out last year and love it. I bet the Throttle is a blast as well.

    Bish - I kicked you a PM, I live in Michigan as well. These are great hardtails for the area where I ride.

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    Loving my Vanquish. Easily the most compliant carbon hardtail I've ever ridden - very comfy on the downs. Super quick on the ups. Handles like a much smaller bike than it is. Pops off features really well. My only want would be that it isn't integrated headset so I could try out a -1 angleset in it. But this is only because I've come off a 64 degree head angle Stanton Switchback Ti - I'll get used to it!!!! Also, it would be nice if there was a cable lug for the back brake on the right hand side of the frame for Brits ;-)

    My large is coming in at 25lb (with DHRs, would be 24lb with nobby nics for the summer).

    I just cannot understand why transition don't make any effort to sell these hardtails - none released for websites/mags to review. Transition UK doesn't even have one for demo days! whats all that about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    My only want would be that it isn't integrated headset so I could try out a -1 angleset in it.

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    Are you sure it's an integrated headset? Spec says it's 44zs / 56zs. I'm interested as I'm planning on getting one and a slackener headset is a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floor Tom View Post
    Are you sure it's an integrated headset? Spec says it's 44zs / 56zs. I'm interested as I'm planning on getting one and a slackener headset is a possibility.
    Sorry I meant Zero stack. I didnt realised that anglesets were available in ZS but you are right! Happy I posted that moan to be corrected - thanks!!!!!

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    No problem, you may have to go to an ec cup on the top but you can definitely get them.

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    I'm looking into the Vanquish XL to replace my Santa Cruz Highball XXL.

    I'm also looking at a Kona Hanzo. I'm leaning towards the Vanquish for the longer wheelbase.

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    Man, Iíve read this thread like four times as itís the only real info Iíve found on these. I canít decide between the Throttle and the Vanquish, and Iím stupidly getting tempted by both... I guess then I could try both and flip the loser... if there is one. None are available anywhere around to demo.

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    I just bought the Vanquish frame only. Going to run a new Pike Debonair 140mm on it. Looking forward to the build and the first ride.

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    You can't go wrong with either frame really. I demo'd a Vanquish and liked it but bought the Throttle because I prefer 650b wheels. The Throttle was the more lively and playful of the pair.

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    Iím figuring out where this ďfitsĒ in my collection. My primary bike is a Mojo HDR in 26 mode, and Iím replacing it with either an HD4 or Ripmo, depending on demo results. So, Iím looking for a HT to have an appropriate buff singletrack ride. Right now I have an older Flash 29er Carbon, but the head tube is steeep. The Vanquish could replace that, as long as it can also serve as a mountain bikerís road bike as well as the Flash. I could also play the same logic game to justify the Throttle as a skills training bike potentially, and dump the older DJ I have for that... GAS is strong in the spring...

    Also I havenít ridden a 27.5 so I donít know what the feel is like yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidmantis View Post
    Man, Iíve read this thread like four times as itís the only real info Iíve found on these. I canít decide between the Throttle and the Vanquish, and Iím stupidly getting tempted by both... I guess then I could try both and flip the loser... if there is one. None are available anywhere around to demo.
    I spoke to Transition UK, gave them positive feedback on the frame and asked them why on earth havenít they sent any out to be reveiwed. They said they woulc check with Transition USA. The vanquish is incredible - I just canít ubderstand it.

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    Wish the vanquish had sliding dropouts so it could be ran as a SS.

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    Based on a converstation with Transition and the Dirt Rag [quick and light] review, I just ordered a Throttle.

    I'm holding you accountable, @coffey555!

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    Nice! It really is a great handling frame, hopefully you like it..... What colour did you go for?

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    I got the Race Raw. I lean heavily to the subtle side of the color spectrum.

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    Anybody have any insights/guesses about if the Throttle and Vanquish are gonna get the SBG treatment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sid duffman View Post
    anybody have any insights/guesses about if the throttle and vanquish are gonna get the sbg treatment?
    sbg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigART View Post
    sbg?
    "Speed Balanced Geometry;" what Transition calls their latest geometry updates. Longer reach, steeper seat tube angle, slacker head tube angle, and shorter offset fork.

    https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Sp...ain-Bikes,1861

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    Nah, they wonít make new carbon moulds for 3-4 years. Only specialized as silly and loaded enough to do this every year.

    The vanquish is already long reach. buy some short offset forks, Slacken it out with an angleset and move your saddle forward - hey presto!

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    Just finished building my Throttle! I still need to cut the rear brake line to length, but I'll probably punt on that until tomorrow. I'm not feeling like dealing with a bleed right now and need to clean up all the packaging. I also need to retrim the steerer tube as I left it plenty long until I get on the bike and get a better idea of sizing.

    This is the stock GX spec complete for right now, only I swapped the 150mm Reverb dropper with a 175mm KS Lev, which looks to be a perfect fit for me. Now I need to see if I can sell the unused Reverb...

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    Looking good! My bike felt too xc at first, my mates tried it and both agreed the bar was too low. Ended up with 2 x 10mm spacers under the stem. 35mm rise bar and it felt perfect for me. I am running my 36 at 150mm travel though. That stealth build looks really nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    Looking good! My bike felt too xc at first, my mates tried it and both agreed the bar was too low. Ended up with 2 x 10mm spacers under the stem. 35mm rise bar and it felt perfect for me. I am running my 36 at 150mm travel though. That stealth build looks really nice!
    Yea long, slack and low BOTTOM BRACKET it should be, not low stack - these are very low stack arenít they. Also running my vanquish with 10mm longer forks than stock, 20mm spacer and 35mm riser bars - now perfect

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    You are not wrong there, the bottom bracket height is low! Running 165mm cranks on mine which helps. You do adapt though. Interesting that we ended up with the same setup despite the difference in wheel sizes. I have a Push ACS3 kit in my fork which has changed the feel of the bike as well. Feels better supported at the front now with much better small bump performance.

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    BB is great on the 29er - I always found the Bb to high on my other 29er hardtails...
    Apart from the low stack, the geo is perfect. Best hardtail ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidmantis View Post
    Just finished building my Throttle! I still need to cut the rear brake line to length, but I'll probably punt on that until tomorrow. I'm not feeling like dealing with a bleed right now and need to clean up all the packaging. I also need to retrim the steerer tube as I left it plenty long until I get on the bike and get a better idea of sizing.

    This is the stock GX spec complete for right now, only I swapped the 150mm Reverb dropper with a 175mm KS Lev, which looks to be a perfect fit for me. Now I need to see if I can sell the unused Reverb...

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    Nice! What height/size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klainmeister View Post
    Nice! What height/size?
    I'm 6', 32" inseam. Bike is the large frame and the 175mm dropper is a perfect fit bottomed out, which should work great when trying to use this at the bike park.

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    Thanks, I have a buddy building one up next week and ordering the frame today and we've been debating sizing. He's 5'6"ish and is on the cusp between sizes. Transition says size up the M with a slammed stem. I guess we'll see. I'll post pics of the build when finished.

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    Fitted a -1 angleset to my Vanquish. With a 130mm fox fork (a-c measurement is only 5mm more than a 120 pike).

    Its made a great bike into an unbelievable bike. Iíve measure the head angle with the iphone app as 66 degrees which is perfect for my riding

    The wheelbase is still short enough to be super flickable, and it doesnít nake the bike any less nimble. But the added slackness definitely helps on the very steep local trails (thing narrow freshly cut enduro stage type trails).

    All in all I think transition should have made this frame 66.5 degrees in the first place...

    Simply the best hardtail I have ever ridden.

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    You have just made it into a Throttle with big wheels then! ;-)

    I run my Throttle with a 150mm 36 which would make the headangle 65.5, feels better like that on the downs without being too difficult on tight hairpin bends.

    Great handling frames, still surprised that nobody has really done a proper review of them yet given how well they ride.

    Never seen another one on the trails.

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    Can you guys fit a 29x2.6 Maxxis on the back of the Vanquish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    If I had the money or I hadn't already bought a TA, I might... every carbon HT I've ridden has ridden awesome, and if Transition did some work, I don't doubt these will. The TA could definitely be more compliant... but it's a bruiser.
    Well... through a series of unfortunate, or fortunate, however you choose to view it, events, I've ended up with a Vanquish.

    Might be a couple weeks before I have a rear wheel for it and it all ready to ride, but it's an exciting step for me... CARBON!!! Ahhhhhhh!!! What have I done?


    Best part? No sliding dropouts and half the weight of the Trans Am.
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    Still looking for more reviews on the Vanquish...I too am a bit mystified by the lack of attention these are getting.

    I also am having trouble finding one to demo in the N. Rockies (but I could say that about the Honzo and EPO that are also on my list)...I could go anywhere from SLC to Bozeman if I could knock off two demos in one trip...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA Rider View Post
    Still looking for more reviews on the Vanquish...I too am a bit mystified by the lack of attention these are getting.

    I also am having trouble finding one to demo in the N. Rockies (but I could say that about the Honzo and EPO that are also on my list)...I could go anywhere from SLC to Bozeman if I could knock off two demos in one trip...
    I used to have an EPO, the handling is very similar to the vanquish, however its carbon layering/make up is such that it is brutally stiff. I got rid of it fairly soon after purchase as it just wasnít a comfy ride.

    The vanquish is so much more vertially compliant and a much better design in my opinikn

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA Rider View Post
    Still looking for more reviews on the Vanquish...I too am a bit mystified by the lack of attention these are getting.

    I also am having trouble finding one to demo in the N. Rockies (but I could say that about the Honzo and EPO that are also on my list)...I could go anywhere from SLC to Bozeman if I could knock off two demos in one trip...
    I'd look at the reviews of the Trans AM 29 2016.

    I had one so I'm not scared to go to this bike. It's basically the same bike with about 3/4" shorter stack and 3/4" longer reach. The rear end is 2mm longer... meh... negligible.

    The frame is about half the weight. The sliding dropouts are gone (which aren't bad but they can come loose - so no liability there unless you want SS capability). The routing is internal except the rear brake (which is a Godsend). It's not a light duty XC frame, it's built for bigger hits.

    Other than that, what else can be said except a bunch of subjective stuff that is in every bike review?

    It's goddamn expensive though... so I can see the trepidation.
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    I'd also expect the lack of press for these to be very much related to Transition themselves and their new bike lineup. A bike like the Sentinel and switching their other bikes to SBG and new carbon offerings has been much more of focal point than a couple really expensive hardtails.

    In talking with Transition, there's a reason they moved away from the steel bikes. Could they have fixed those issues? I'm sure, but probably not and made the profit they wanted. It's much easier to schlep an expensive carbon frame than it is an expensive steel frame. The market is much larger. Personally, I would have loved a really high quality steel version of the TA and would have been willing to dole out $1200 for it. But that's not generally a forward trend.
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    Can anyone tell me that built their bike from scratch whether the small, round hole in the aluminum BB insert was up or down?

    Mine is facing up, but that makes no sense. I'd assume that hole is there to let water drain out of the shell and into the frame.
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    Transition throttle & vanquish-bb_insert1.jpgTransition throttle & vanquish-bb_insert2.jpg

    Yeah... I think they put mine in wrong...
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    On my Throttle it was up, just like that. I used that downtube access hole to help with the dropper post cable routing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidmantis View Post
    On my Throttle it was up, just like that. I used that downtube access hole to help with the dropper post cable routing.
    There you go. Not what I thought. I was thinking the BB shell from the actual BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidmantis View Post
    On my Throttle it was up, just like that. I used that downtube access hole to help with the dropper post cable routing.
    My vanquish had the hole at the top too, again, very handy for routing the dropper cable

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    How did you guys use that little hole to help route the dropper cable/housing? I used the large window in the front.

    I actually found that a major PITA though. Here's my trick, maybe someone found a better one...

    I took a full length cable and ran it backwards through the housing (so the stop was on the downtube side). I then used the flexibility of the cable and a coat hanger to snag it (although if you have a stand you can flip the bike and use gravity) to get the housing around that sharp bend. Once I could grab the cable, I just pulled the housing up and through. I couldn't get the housing to make the bend by itself and I couldn't get a tool or my finger up far enough through the access window to get it into the seat tube. Nothing was stiff enough to grab the housing from the top, it always just slipped off. Cable trick was the ticket.

    So anyway, once the housing was in place, I just pulled the cable out the other side and routed it in the right way from the seat tube side. You do need a brand new, full length shift cable though to have enough sticking out the housing to get it around the bend and up the seat tube.
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    Transition throttle & vanquish-carbon_vanquish.jpg

    26 lbs even, medium Vanquish.

    Took it for its first short shakedown today - it feels like a light Trans Am. Handling and boosting is almost identical. I really can't believe the climbing difference though, I was going two or three gears higher on some climbs with the same effort I'd put in with my TA.

    This bike feels stiff to me. The Trans Am was a really stiff steel frame and this feels about the same. Might be a bit more damped... eh... it's negligible I'd say. Maybe a few more rides and I'll notice it more.
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    26 lbs even, medium Vanquish.

    Took it for its first short shakedown today - it feels like a light Trans Am. Handling and boosting is almost identical. I really can't believe the climbing difference though, I was going two or three gears higher on some climbs with the same effort I'd put in with my TA.

    This bike feels stiff to me. The Trans Am was a really stiff steel frame and this feels about the same. Might be a bit more damped... eh... it's negligible I'd say. Maybe a few more rides and I'll notice it more.
    Nice job here on your build, love it! Did you happen to weigh you frame before building it?

    The Vanquish is my next bike. I figure Iíll be in the 23-24lb. range with my geared build and 22ish lbs. built SS with a Melvin. Iíll pretty much use a build like my 26.7 lb. Following currently has with a couple lighter components and the Vanquish frame is almost 3.5 lbs. lighter.


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    What headset to use to slacken the fork more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Nice job here on your build, love it! Did you happen to weigh you frame before building it?

    The Vanquish is my next bike. I figure Iíll be in the 23-24lb. range with my geared build and 22ish lbs. built SS with a Melvin. Iíll pretty much use a build like my 26.7 lb. Following currently has with a couple lighter components and the Vanquish frame is almost 3.5 lbs. lighter.


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    I did not, but I'd guess it's pretty close to Transitions claim of 3.3 lb for a medium.

    It's a sweet bike, you'll love it. Not sure it's ideal for SS, but I'm sure with a tensioner it will work fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigART View Post
    What headset to use to slacken the fork more?
    Iíd use a Works Angle Set made in the UK. I have one on my Following theyíre simple, robust and work well. Deeper insertion that Cane Creek cups and no gimbal. Iíve had 3 or 4 Cane Creek angle sets and the Works are better by design with less parts but sized per head tube length.


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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    I did not, but I'd guess it's pretty close to Transitions claim of 3.3 lb for a medium.

    It's a sweet bike, you'll love it. Not sure it's ideal for SS, but I'm sure with a tensioner it will work fine.
    Thanks yeah it looks like a sweet bike. I know not ideal as a SS but with the Paulís Melvin it will work perfectly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Iíd use a Works Angle Set made in the UK. I have one on my Following theyíre simple, robust and work well. Deeper insertion that Cane Creek cups and no gimbal. Iíve had 3 or 4 Cane Creek angle sets and the Works are better by design with less parts but sized per head tube length.


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    Iím using a works -1 angleset with a 130mm fox 34 fork on my vanquish and its perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Iím using a works -1 angleset with a 130mm fox 34 fork on my vanquish and its perfect!
    How are you liking your Vanquish Rich? What full squish are you riding these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    How are you liking your Vanquish Rich? What full squish are you riding these days?
    Absolutely love the vanquish. Best hardtail iíve had. And Ive had several stantons, epo, shan GT, etc

    Still my intense primer factory. Its nearly 2 years old but its a keeper - love how veratile it is - you could run it as 130/115mm XC racer or 150/140mm all mountain slayer!

    Got a new Capra too but it peddles like a dog so thinking of selling it.... quite fancy that new pivot firebird 29 but its not cheap!

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    Still in my v1 Following. Slacked it out a bit ago with a -1 deg Works AS and currently running it with the RS-1 120mm. HA is at 66.6 deg (the Evil boys loved that HA) in high mode and it steepened the seat angle to 74.8 deg. Also have the Fox Factory DPS on it. Itís really a trail rocket like this at 26ish lbs. also still run it with a Stage at 140mm. No LT bikes for me currently. I donít need one with my split personality Following and Iíd just get the MB if I wanted the upgrade.

    Had a Honzo CR on order early in but cancelled it. Poor tire clearance ad a couple other issues. This Vanquish looks to be the HT for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Still in my v1 Following. Slacked it out a bit ago with a -1 deg Works AS and currently running it with the RS-1 120mm. HA is at 66.6 deg (the Evil boys loved that HA) in high mode and it steepened the seat angle to 74.8 deg. Also have the Fox Factory DPS on it. Itís really a trail rocket like this at 26ish lbs. also still run it with a Stage at 140mm. No LT bikes for me currently. I donít need one with my split personality Following and Iíd just get the MB if I wanted the upgrade.

    Had a Honzo CR on order early in but cancelled it. Poor tire clearance ad a couple other issues. This Vanquish looks to be the HT for me.
    So you havent bought a vanquish yet? I would definitely recommend going straight for -1 angleset. You will love it. Very compliant frame and with alloy 28 spoke wheels a very comfy ride...

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    So you havent bought a vanquish yet? I would definitely recommend going straight for -1 angleset. You will love it. Very compliant frame and with alloy 28 spoke wheels a very comfy ride...
    Not yet but thatís my plan. Iíll run my Derby 30/ I9 wheels on it with the RS-1 and the -1 deg Works AS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Not yet but thatís my plan. Iíll run my Derby 30/ I9 wheels on it with the RS-1 and the -1 deg Works AS.
    You might find the derby rims too stiff. I was running XMC1200 carbon wheelset on it and although it was rapid it feels a lot nicer with my XM1501 aluninium wheelset...

    Give it a try...

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    I intially ran Enve M60HV's on my Throttle but then swapped to Reserve 27's. So much nicer to ride, the former were brutal over the rough sections. The frame is not overly stiff at the back though, I though it had more vertical compliance than my Stanton Ti Switchback which I tried with the same wheel/tyre combo so it might be ok with the Derby's.

    As mentioned above for the Vanquish, the Throttle is the best hardtail I have ridden. Better than my old Cove Stiffee, Cotic BFe and the Ti Switchback.

    I just built up a 5010 as a trail bike but theTransition is not going anywhere.

    It's a keeper :-)

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    Yep, my custom Derby 30 XC/ I9 28h, DT Super Comp spoke wheels are pretty compliant and light at 1630g. I had them built when I bought my RS-1 and I have two front wheels one with SRAM PS hub for the RS-1 and one with the I9 hub. Iíll probably build up another rear w/ boost hub for the Vanquish. Then Iíll have a rear wheel for both bikes.


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    My Reserve's came built onto Industry Nine hubs as I bought them before Santa Cruz started selling them rim only. Nicely built, light weight and with great engagement. But once the freehub grease got moved about they were so bloody noisy!!! I ended up putting them on Chris King hubs in the end to preserve my hearing :-)

    I think the front i9 hub converts between 15mm boost and non boost with just an endcap swap and re-dish.

    The rear is a whole new hub if I remember rightly.

    Actually, I still have my i9 hubs, 28h boost rear, 28h front with end caps for boost and non-boost in a box.

    Only done about 50 miles so like new.

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    Nox Kitsuma with Hope Pro 4 Hubs and I love this setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    My Reserve's came built onto Industry Nine hubs as I bought them before Santa Cruz started selling them rim only. Nicely built, light weight and with great engagement. But once the freehub grease got moved about they were so bloody noisy!!! I ended up putting them on Chris King hubs in the end to preserve my hearing :-)

    I think the front i9 hub converts between 15mm boost and non boost with just an endcap swap and re-dish.

    The rear is a whole new hub if I remember rightly.

    Actually, I still have my i9 hubs, 28h boost rear, 28h front with end caps for boost and non-boost in a box.

    Only done about 50 miles so like new.
    I9 ships their hubs lubed with Dumonde Free Hub oil, so no grease. I mix the free hub oil with synthetic grease on my hubs and it takes the edge off the noise. I buy my hubs direct at cost. They make boost specific front hubs but you can use a boost adapter and the MRP version is the best, no re-dishing required. The rear is boost specific also but you can run a Wolftooth boost adapter but you need to re-dish the wheel 3mm towards the non drive side, it will then be boost specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    How did you guys use that little hole to help route the dropper cable/housing? I used the large window in the front.
    Right, that was just a wording issue. The little round hole is no help for routing the cable, it's the square window from the downtube that lets you get your fingers in there as needed. I'm a tool whore and bought the Park IR-1.2 magnetic fishing tool, though, and it made short work of the job.

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    With a few more rides I can say this: This bike KILLS its predecessor.

    I've been putting up PRs or damn close on every section with this bike, even when I feel off and slow.

    The balance is far better. I suspect the little bit longer reach and shorter stem just keeps you much more balanced in turns. Climbing is no contest. I'm using the same comps from the TA (and direct replacements for what didn't fit i.e. rear wheel and dropper) and this bike just climbs way better. Some I believe is the weight, but also perhaps the seating position. I'm running my saddle about an inch forward of where I did on the TA and it feels perfectly roomy. That being said, I don't have to get on the nose as much on steep climbs and it handles better on the flats (more front weight seated). Even before I moved the saddle I was averaging a mph or better up climbs with similar effort.

    I wasn't sure if this bike was "more fun" that its predecessor until today when I got on some really twisty descents with punchy climbs. It absolutely blew me away.

    I only struggled a little bit on really tight, blown out switchbacks coming down, and I think that's not really a fault of the bike, but me getting more comfortable with it. That stuff was tough even on the TA but I'm wondering if I'm gonna feel the slightly longer WB.

    Ride quality/compliance I wouldn't rate as being great. It's stiff and the rear end chatters a lot. It's no worse really than the TA, but I wouldn't say it's any better. Seems neutral to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    With a few more rides I can say this: This bike KILLS its predecessor.

    I've been putting up PRs or damn close on every section with this bike, even when I feel off and slow.

    The balance is far better. I suspect the little bit longer reach and shorter stem just keeps you much more balanced in turns. Climbing is no contest. I'm using the same comps from the TA (and direct replacements for what didn't fit i.e. rear wheel and dropper) and this bike just climbs way better. Some I believe is the weight, but also perhaps the seating position. I'm running my saddle about an inch forward of where I did on the TA and it feels perfectly roomy. That being said, I don't have to get on the nose as much on steep climbs and it handles better on the flats (more front weight seated). Even before I moved the saddle I was averaging a mph or better up climbs with similar effort.

    I wasn't sure if this bike was "more fun" that its predecessor until today when I got on some really twisty descents with punchy climbs. It absolutely blew me away.

    I only struggled a little bit on really tight, blown out switchbacks coming down, and I think that's not really a fault of the bike, but me getting more comfortable with it. That stuff was tough even on the TA but I'm wondering if I'm gonna feel the slightly longer WB.

    Ride quality/compliance I wouldn't rate as being great. It's stiff and the rear end chatters a lot. It's no worse really than the TA, but I wouldn't say it's any better. Seems neutral to me.
    Which bike - vanquish or throttle?
    And what wheels are you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Which bike - vanquish or throttle?
    And what wheels are you running?
    Vanquish - see above posts.

    Wheels are DT M442. They are the same setup I used on my Trans Am, the front is the exact same wheel but I needed to build up a new one for the boost rear end.

    I'm also using the same tires that were on the Trans Am (exact set).

    Granted some of my assessment comes from memory, I really didn't change much on the Vanquish except, like I said, what I had to change for fitment. I'm running a shorter stem (50mm vs 60mm) but I expected that change based on the longer ETT and reach.

    The bike really does (in my ability) handle better. I don't feel any negative or positive in ride quality. Ride quality is not something I feel concerned about with a bike like this though.
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    Looks like I can get a vanquish at the right price.
    At 5'10" I feel I'm between medium and large with no hope of a test ride.

    How many sets of bottle mounts do they have?

    Spec says they have a 245mm deep seat tube. If I was fitting a Bike Yoke Revive, would that 245mm be to the bottom of the tube of the dropper, or to the bottom of the cable mechanism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    Vanquish - see above posts.

    Wheels are DT M442. They are the same setup I used on my Trans Am, the front is the exact same wheel but I needed to build up a new one for the boost rear end.

    I'm also using the same tires that were on the Trans Am (exact set).

    Granted some of my assessment comes from memory, I really didn't change much on the Vanquish except, like I said, what I had to change for fitment. I'm running a shorter stem (50mm vs 60mm) but I expected that change based on the longer ETT and reach.

    The bike really does (in my ability) handle better. I don't feel any negative or positive in ride quality. Ride quality is not something I feel concerned about with a bike like this though.
    Strange you donít rate the ride quality. I think its the best ride quality I have had. Blows away even the Stanton sherpa and Shan GT steel frame and the sherpa and switchback Ti frames Iíve had. And is way way nicer than the EPO which I guess is the closest thing to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Looks like I can get a vanquish at the right price.
    At 5'10" I feel I'm between medium and large with no hope of a test ride.

    How many sets of bottle mounts do they have?

    Spec says they have a 245mm deep seat tube. If I was fitting a Bike Yoke Revive, would that 245mm be to the bottom of the tube of the dropper, or to the bottom of the cable mechanism?
    I'm 5'-10" and I ride a medium.

    One set of bottle mounts.

    Can't help you with the dropper question. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Strange you donít rate the ride quality. I think its the best ride quality I have had. Blows away even the Stanton sherpa and Shan GT steel frame and the sherpa and switchback Ti frames Iíve had. And is way way nicer than the EPO which I guess is the closest thing to it.
    I don't have and haven't ridden any of those other bikes. I had a 2016 Trans AM which is what this bike replaced both for Transition and for me. That's all I can compare to.
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    Transition throttle & vanquish

    A little under 11 kg with pedals and sealant. XL


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    Couple more questions if I may, please folks.

    Are people using these as ride all day trail bikes or is the feeling that the geometry pushes them into the smash it around for an hour really hard type stuff?

    Living somewhere that can get really muddy, what's the clearance like on the rear with a decent sized tyre?

    Thanks.

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    Also, has anyone tried the Orange vanquish with an orange Fox factory fork? Is it a good match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Couple more questions if I may, please folks.

    Are people using these as ride all day trail bikes or is the feeling that the geometry pushes them into the smash it around for an hour really hard type stuff?

    Living somewhere that can get really muddy, what's the clearance like on the rear with a decent sized tyre?

    Thanks.
    Both. I take my Vanquish to session steep loamy/rooty tech, and on all day 8 hour rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Couple more questions if I may, please folks.

    Are people using these as ride all day trail bikes or is the feeling that the geometry pushes them into the smash it around for an hour really hard type stuff?

    Living somewhere that can get really muddy, what's the clearance like on the rear with a decent sized tyre?

    Thanks.
    Lots of clearance. Might be a little tight with a big 2.4 on a wide rim, but I wouldn't worry about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Also, has anyone tried the Orange vanquish with an orange Fox factory fork? Is it a good match?
    If I'm not mistaken the orange castings are only in the step cast 32s. IMO not enough fork for this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    If I'm not mistaken the orange castings are only in the step cast 32s. IMO not enough fork for this bike.
    There are definitely orange 36s, at least in 160. Not sure about 34/140.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidmantis View Post
    There are definitely orange 36s, at least in 160. Not sure about 34/140.
    Orange was the sponsored team colours initially, and no sponsored riders use 34s.
    They would either use 32 For XC or 36 for Enduro

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    Certainly in the UK, we can get the 2019 29er step cast Fox 34 in Orange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Certainly in the UK, we can get the 2019 29er step cast Fox 34 in Orange.
    Ah yea, forgot about the new step cast 34 - I stand corected. But isnít that limited to 120mm? You cant bump it up to 130 should you want to go a bit slacker...

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    120mm should be enough. They claim the sc 34 @120 is as stiff as the normal 34 @140.

    Wondering if that's stiff enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    120mm should be enough. They claim the sc 34 @120 is as stiff as the normal 34 @140.

    Wondering if that's stiff enough.
    Iím running 2018 fox 34 at 130 (with a -1 angleset) and its way better than stock. Stiffness is ok. The frame is pretty springy so it matches well!

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    Hey all,

    New Vanquish rider here. Have been out for a couple rides and, coming from a 26" 140mm full suspension (my only real MTB so far), I love the speed and responsiveness of this bike!

    Here's my build in the photo description:
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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Looks like I can get a vanquish at the right price.
    At 5'10" I feel I'm between medium and large with no hope of a test ride.

    How many sets of bottle mounts do they have?

    Spec says they have a 245mm deep seat tube. If I was fitting a Bike Yoke Revive, would that 245mm be to the bottom of the tube of the dropper, or to the bottom of the cable mechanism?
    I'm just under 6' and am on a Large, it feels like the right size, but definitely feels pretty big compared to my 2011 Santa Cruz Blur LTc. Very different geometry these days, but a Large might feel pretty big for you. Might just depend what you're used to riding, though.

    Unfortunately only one bottle mount on my bike.

    On my Large I'm running a 200mm 9point8 Fall Line dropper. I ride it slammed to the seat collar and it fits in there. You might be able to look up some numbers and figure out what you're looking for based on that.

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    Thank you. I'm currently riding a large ibis mojo hd3 which has a very similar reach to the medium vanquish.

    Guess my remaining questions now, are which colour and which fork.

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    Any suggestions on a chain guide? I dropped my chain today and it got sucked up in my chainstay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ear_ache View Post
    Any suggestions on a chain guide? I dropped my chain today and it got sucked up in my chainstay.


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    Iím using the ďspecialized mini chain guideĒ on my vanquish, it fits pefectly and is very light and subtle... as if it was made for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Iím using the ďspecialized mini chain guideĒ on my vanquish, it fits pefectly and is very light and subtle... as if it was made for it.
    Thanks!


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    I replaced the Manitou Machete with a Sid. Huge improvement. Nothing against the Manitou, it's a good value, but not as plush.

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    Spec says it will take a 34 tooth chain ring. Has anyone fitted a 34 oval? What was the clearance like?

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    Sorry for more "what size" chat but would appreciate any thoughts..

    I'm looking to buy a Vanquish, I'm 6'1" and have tested a large, it feels pretty good but perhaps a little shorter than I'd prefer, unfortunately I can't try an XL so can't easily compare. On paper the large is also very similar geometry to my current bikes (v1 Following XL and NS Eccentric L, though both of them are also a bit short for my liking). I rode an Ibis Ripmo recently with the same reach numbers as the XL vanquish, and that felt good! So not sure which way to go

    Current thinking is to go L but run a 5mm offset headset to stretch it out, though this prevents me from running a slackset of any kind, so alternative is XL with a slackset, which would also reduce the reach on the XL, I could also run the saddle forward in the rails which would steepen the effective sta somewhat, hell I could also fit a shorter offset fork and have DIY SBG!

    What are riders around my height riding on the Vanquish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacious Doug View Post
    What are riders around my height riding on the Vanquish?
    I'm 6'3/6'4ish and I ride a XL.
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    6í1 on a L with a 40mm stem. But my height is in my legs.
    I also demoed an L and XL ripmo and L was tiny and XL spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    6í1 on a L with a 40mm stem. But my height is in my legs.
    I also demoed an L and XL ripmo and L was tiny and XL spot on.
    Thanks Rich, that's particularly helpful, especially your comparison with the Ripmo. You are/were on a Following too, right? Were you L or XL in that?

    What's your inside leg length?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacious Doug View Post
    Thanks Rich, that's particularly helpful, especially your comparison with the Ripmo. You are/were on a Following too, right? Were you L or XL in that?

    What's your inside leg length?
    34.5Ē inseam (seems to be between 34 and 35 - hard to measure accurately

    I had an L following, but it was way too small for me. I tried a mates XL and it was much better.

    Its quite a low stack frame. I have 20mm of spacers under the stem, and 35mm riser bars.

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    Thanks again! XL Following here, a shade too short, but also shorter on paper than the Vanquish large, so thinking large Vanquish might be perfect.

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    Its Low stack and seat tube (icould run a 200mm dropper).
    ETT is spot on for me - feels perfect length.
    Its quite a short wheelbase but this makes it very playful. And no one buys this bike for the really chunky DH courses!

    I would recommend a -1 angleset and 130mm fork if going fox, makes the bike a lot more confident without losing any playfulness

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    Yeah I saw your note previously about angleset, but my concern this shortens reach even more, which given I'm already concerned Large may be too short, is not ideal.

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    I'm about to pull the trigger on a grey Throttle and I was wondering whether it was matte or gloss.

    Trying to work out which frame protection to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixels42 View Post
    I'm about to pull the trigger on a grey Throttle and I was wondering whether it was matte or gloss.

    Trying to work out which frame protection to get.
    You mean "Race Raw"? It's not even a finish. It's what it says it is. It's the raw carbon finish with I believe a clear coat.

    It doesn't show in pictures, but you can see the fabric in the sunlight and the epoxy looks kind of yellowish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    You mean "Race Raw"? It's not even a finish. It's what it says it is. It's the raw carbon finish with I believe a clear coat.
    Thanks l'oiseau, yep Race Raw is the one. The fun of buying a bike unseen.

    I've ordered now and it should arrive in three weeks. I can't wait.

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    Anothe pre-build question. I already have a 150mm MRP Ribbon, I'm assuming that the bike will handle fine with the extra 10mm of travel.

    If anyone has any negative experiences running a 150 fork, then I'm keen to hear about it.

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    Iím currently building up a race raw Throttle. It has a matte / satin finish and Iíve fitted the matte Invisiframe protection which suits it perfctly. Also fitting a 150 fork and not expecting any issues.

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    Just pulled the trigger on a Vanquish in raw (size medium @5'10"). It's not going to be a quick build. About the only stuff I know is going on for certain is a Revive dropper (185) and some Invisiframe in matte.

    Any suggestions for forks? Bonus points if it works with the shockwiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Any suggestions for forks? Bonus points if it works with the shockwiz.
    Sid 120mm, but I'm not a hucker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Just pulled the trigger on a Vanquish in raw (size medium @5'10"). It's not going to be a quick build. About the only stuff I know is going on for certain is a Revive dropper (185) and some Invisiframe in matte.

    Any suggestions for forks? Bonus points if it works with the shockwiz.
    I have Fox 34 130mm but I wouldnt bark at Pikes Or mrp...

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    Thanks guys. I think Sids are a bit lightweight for me. Fox or Pike are in the lead at the moment. MRP looks nice, but the ramp cartridge means it's isn't going to play nicely with the shockwiz. Same goes for the manitou.

    DVO seems to be overweight for a given stiffness. The Diamond seems to be the match stiffness wise, but needs the Sapphire weight wise.
    Ohlins 34 doesn't seem to offer a boost version.

    Helm looks good but not sure what it gives over a Fox or Pike. I also want something serviceable and if needs be, tinkerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Thanks guys. I think Sids are a bit lightweight for me. Fox or Pike are in the lead at the moment. MRP looks nice, but the ramp cartridge means it's isn't going to play nicely with the shockwiz. Same goes for the manitou.

    DVO seems to be overweight for a given stiffness. The Diamond seems to be the match stiffness wise, but needs the Sapphire weight wise.
    Ohlins 34 doesn't seem to offer a boost version.

    Helm looks good but not sure what it gives over a Fox or Pike. I also want something serviceable and if needs be, tinkerable.
    Now that fox have their EVOL, there isnít much between the pike and the fox 34. Pike make be slightly stiffer (and cheaper) but IMO you canít go wrong with either.

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    Richt2000 interested in what you've done with the angleset and the longer travel. I'm considering trying a 44mm offset which would give a similar trail figure to what you've done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Richt2000 interested in what you've done with the angleset and the longer travel. I'm considering trying a 44mm offset which would give a similar trail figure to what you've done.
    Yea it would be worth trying out. Iím not sure I would want to shorten the front end wheelbase mind, as I find the wheelbase pretty short as it is. You might find the stability lost from the reduced wheelbase is negated by the increased stability of the shorter offset. Got to love bike tinkering :-)

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    I was thinking it might help keep the bike balanced as the rear end is pretty short on paper. Having just run some numbers, those 44mm offset forks still give trail and flop numbers slightly less than my mojo hd3 I'm riding at the moment.

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    Anyone compared weights of the orange v raw frame?

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    In case anyone is interested, a medium in raw, with seat collar, axle, drop out and bottle bolts (ie, as it comes out of the box) weighs 1458 grams.

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    Still can't decide if I want to run a Fox 34 with 44mm offset or a Pike with 51mm offset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Still can't decide if I want to run a Fox 34 with 44mm offset or a Pike with 51mm offset.
    http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php
    Use this link, plug in the numbers and view the results. It might help you decide if youíre shooting for specific trail numbers.
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    I have been playing about with that calculator. Interestingly, with the shorter offset, the trail numbers and fork flop are closer to my Ibis HD3 if I go with the shorter offset.

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    I used the calculator to initially verify the difference between my 140mm/ 51mm OS MRP Stage and the 120mm/ 46mm OS RS-1 on my Evil Following. Thereís a 1mm delta in trail and WF between them which is what I was hoping for. When I swap them on the bike I get similar handling feel even with 20mm in stack height and 1 degree delta in HA.
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    Does anyone have any insight on Throttle vs Vanquish? I am looking for a "party hardtail" for the local flatter stuff, with occasional mountain trips, perhaps bikepacking, and some endurance races/rides. In Mid-atlantic, so when I decide to take this to the mountains I will be ridding on lots of rocks.

    I already have a Transition Scout, and an aging Patrol. So there is value in keeping 27.5 for simplicity, but I am also a rider who likes to push it on climbs, where a 29er may be more valuable. Or I may be putting to much thought into it and just pick one.


    Also does anyone know if the rear will fit a Hope Tech 3 e4 caliper without needing to go to a 180mm adapter? If not, do you mind measuring the space between your caliper and frame and letting me know?

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    Transition throttle & vanquish

    Quote Originally Posted by Madisob View Post
    If not, do you mind measuring the space between your caliper and frame and letting me know?
    I own a 2018 Vanquish and can measure whatever you want, but I'm not sure what "space" you are referencing.


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    What makes you think an E4 won't just bolt straight on at 160mm? You've worried me now as that is what I've ordered for mine.

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    Hey 2018 Vanquish owners

    1) Is the rear derailleur housing internally sleeved, or is it fish, pick and pray type of routing?

    2) If you are a left lever / rear brake rider were you able to route the hose around the front of the head tube to the drive side or did you have to directly route it on the left side of the head tube for that sort of short, funky hose look?

    3) How is the rear tire clearance for say a true 29x2.4 tire on a 30mm rim?

    4) I'm just under 6' and looking at a large orange as my only bike...... any reason I should turn tail and run? Cracks, breaks, creaks.... anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Bone View Post
    Hey 2018 Vanquish owners

    1) Is the rear derailleur housing internally sleeved, or is it fish, pick and pray type of routing?
    The latter.


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    2.4 will fit no problem, I have 2.6 Rekons on mine with 45mm ID Derby rims and it fits but very tight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisob View Post
    Does anyone have any insight on Throttle vs Vanquish? I am looking for a "party hardtail" for the local flatter stuff, with occasional mountain trips, perhaps bikepacking, and some endurance races/rides. In Mid-atlantic, so when I decide to take this to the mountains I will be ridding on lots of rocks.
    I was stuck with this same quandary. I decided on the Throttle because I wanted a more "versatile" bike that could also serve as a dirt jumper (for my very light needs) that I could take to the park for skills training. I talked to the guys at Transition and explained my wants and riding style and even they couldn't give a totally firm answer but did agree that the Throttle was likely a better fit. I got put out of commission (knee injury) very shortly after getting my Throttle built so I haven't gotten much time on it this summer, but now that I'm riding again I have been using it lately and really loving it. I still think I'd like a Vanquish to replace my more older HT 29er with traditional XC geometry, just so I can run some narrower, light and fast rolling 29" tires, but I don't regret the Throttle for a bit more trail focused bike.

    Really, you can't go wrong either way, so figure out if you want a dash more XC or a dash more trail focus. Or just flip a coin and buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ear_ache View Post
    The latter.


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    Whatever happened to TITS? I was annoyed when I discovered my Sentinel didn't have it. Cable routing in that build almost broke me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yippee_Ki_YayMF View Post
    Whatever happened to TITS? I was annoyed when I discovered my Sentinel didn't have it. Cable routing in that build almost broke me.

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    Agreed... I'm still a little surprised since they advertise rattle free routing. Turns out they send the frame with some Jagwire housing foam.

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    Mine doesn't rattle at all. I didn't use that foam either.
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    DVO green throttle

    Just wanted to share a photo of the Throttle we built up for my buddy since everyone likes a little bike porn. Of course, he never takes driveside pictures for some reason, but here ya go:

    Transition throttle & vanquish-throttle.jpg

    Build:

    Throttle, black, Medium
    DVO Diamond 140mm, Green
    DVO Garnet dropper, 125mm
    Chromag bars, stem, saddle
    Industry Nine Enduro wheelset, green spokes
    Eagle Drivetrain
    Magura Sports
    Miniond DHR front, Aggressor rear

    Came out to about 26.5lbs and flies. A good fork on a hardtail is quite necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    What makes you think an E4 won't just bolt straight on at 160mm? You've worried me now as that is what I've ordered for mine.
    The default 160 mount on the older carbon Scout didn't fit an E4. A Shimano 180 adapter does fit should you run into the same problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisob View Post
    The default 160 mount on the older carbon Scout didn't fit an E4. A Shimano 180 adapter does fit should you run into the same problem.
    I don't know if an E4 caliper will work with a 160mm rotor but I do know that it does not with a 180mm. The only recent Hope caliper that works with 180mm is the X2. V4, E4 and V2 all clash with the seatstay.

    There is enough power with the X2 and the 180mm rotor on the rear paired with an E4/203mm on the front.

    If you look at the Hope chart, E4/160mm and X2/180mm are around the same stopping power anyway.

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    Thanks for the info. If I am spending the money for Hope, I am going for E4. I have E4 on my other bikes and I rather only have to buy one type of pads.

    Hopefully user above can report back on if E4 fitting with 160mm

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    No problem. I am the same, my other bikes run E4 brakes as well.

    However, they both run 203f/180r rotors and I often swap the wheels over between the bikes so X2 rear was the only option for me.

    At least you have options if the E4 does not fit at 160mm.

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    I'm finishing up my build this week on my new Throttle 27.5. I have a set of Hope E4's that are mocked up right now with a 160mm rotor. The rear caliper is really tight to the frame when bolted down but I'm shimming it by 1-2mm and should be fine. I'll try to snag a picture when complete in the upcoming days.

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    I'm currently waiting for the parcel full of Hope stuff. Guess I'll know if it will fit soon enough.

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    What bits from Hope have you ordered?

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    Hope E4 brakes with 160mm rear rotor are the bits of particular interest.
    From a quick trial fit, I've found that the caliper doesn't bolt straight on without a clash. However, that clash is very slight. I've already fitted Invisiframe which reduces the clearance even more. So far, a 0.5mm shim washer each end has resolved the clash. I'll play around with some smaller shims later, see what I can get away with.
    There is a very very slight overlap of the pads over the rotor but it would be so slight that I think it would break away rather than create a lip and bottom out the pads.

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    0.3mm was a bit tight with the invisiframe but would probably work on a bare frame.

    I've settled on a 0.4mm shim. That's gives me daylight all around so I'm happy there's no contact.

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    That is tight! I wonder how much the caliper expands when it gets hot? The V2 almost fitted with a 180mm on the rear but not quite. I don't think they did the V2 rotor is 160mm so never tried it. Even with the X2 and a 180mm rotor it is pretty snug. I have never liked having the caliper inside the rear triangle for this very reason.

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