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    Stunned - Cocalis departs

    I will be contacting Chris personally to give him my best wishes but I want to publicly say goodbye to a competitor and industry friend, Chris Cocalis. He and I have had great conversations on non cycling related subjects that I still remember anytime I hear his name. Always a man that would offer his hand in an honest gesture even though we were competitors. There are very few men in the bicycle industry that have worked as hard with an honest heart and treated his customers as fellow riders. I wish you the best in mental health in moving through the muddy waters of what must have been an incredibly hard decision to make. Maybe that is why I am in such shock, that I cannot imagine the pain of walking away from the company I started. With all you have done to create and nurture Titus and to lead it through so many years it will not be the same without you Chris, your impact was total and Titus's success yours.

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    Chris's goodbye

    Dear Friend:



    The purpose of this letter is to let you know that as of June 30th, 2006, I am no longer with Titus Cycles. As many of you know, I incorporated the company in 1991, and have always had a strong passion for cycling dating back to the early 80’s. It has been my passion and attention to detail that has been the driving factor behind Titus’ reputation for quality, innovation, and leading position as one of the premier high-end brands in the cycling industry.



    In 2001 Titus Cycles merged with Vyatek Sports (a composites technology firm). During the last five years with Vyatek and Titus, I have continued to grow Titus Cycles into a multi- million dollar high end industry leader as well as successfully bringing new cutting edge design and technology to the cycling industry. It has been five years since the Vyatek/Titus merger and I have decided to end my partnership with Vyatek and Titus Cycles, sell my interest in the companies, and explore new challenges.



    You can now reach me at:


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    Wow.

    Gotta be more to it than just "explore new challenges." I get a sense there was tension within the post merger Titus.

    I wonder what this means for Titus.

    Maybe you and Chris could team up and create the ultimate mountain bike.

    Edit: I'd like to thank Chris personally for his dedication in the pursuit of Mountain Bike design excellence. You are truly gifted and I can't see you out of the industry very long.

    I don't have my crystal ball with me today, but mergers like this in the bike industry have traditionally gone wrong (Ibis comes to mind). The signs are there, increasing output, the push to foreign outsourcing, increasing profit margins, eroding customer service, and now driving away the visionary. I think Pat Hus and others have grossly underestimated the loyalty we have to CC. Titus is Chris C. Titus IS NOT Pat Hus. Titus IS NOT Vyatek. My ML will likely be my first and last Titus. I have about 3-4 more years to see how Titus evolves before I'm in the market again.

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    Wow?!!! I don't come by here for a few months and this is what I come back to. I wonder how the company is going to change.
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    I'm speechless. Best Wishes Chris!

    Chris, I hope you go on to do bigger and better things. My first true moutain bike was a Titus. I considered Titus one of the elite in the bike building business with great designs and some of the best customer service. Things have certainly changed over the last couple of years at Titus.

    Good luck to you and thanks for some of the best bikes around.

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    Wow - that is very sad and shocking news. It is sad to see the founder of Titus leaving. This will not be good for Titus bikes.

    Best of luck on your new endeavors!

    I agree with Enduser - the two best bikes are Titus and Turner - it would be very interesting to see the two best industry leaders, DT and CC, design a mountain bike.
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    I don't know what to say... I'm completely stunned and speechless.

    Except for wishing Chris best wishes in whatever endeavour he may face now.

    Thanks, David, for the heads up.

    Kinda sad knowing from an outsider... but from all the outsiders, you're the only person I'd like to hear it from. I know your reputation and I turly respect you as a person and bike maker.

    Honestly, Turner and Titus were the only two brands I'd recommend eyes closed to anyone.
    Now...
    Thanks Chris for all your support, all the time.
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    well that is sad......

    I'm not terribly happy with what I perceive as a turner victory lap. but so it goes.

    my bikes still rock and I hope to have the option to pick up another Chris Cocalis bike down the road. or even a titus.

    still, no man is an island. Don’t dam the other contributors to Titus success. They work hard too.

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    Wow! Too bad, really. Anyway, I think that sometimes we need to move on from something we started. It's great riding one of Titus bikes, it's, as far as I'm concerned, one of the top bikes out there. The company it's great, and I don't know what will happen to Titus now. I guess it will continue, and part of me would like that.

    I hope CC the best in whatever venture he decides to go. good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    well that is sad......

    I'm not terribly happy with what I perceive as a turner victory lap. but so it goes.

    my bikes still rock and I hope to have the option to pick up another Chris Cocalis bike down the road. or even a titus.

    still, no man is an island. Don’t dam the other contributors to Titus success. They work hard too.
    You summed it up pretty well. I'm not changing bike for a while, so it's no biggie to me, but it'll be interesting to see how/whether this will affect Titus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    . . . Always a man that would offer his hand in an honest gesture even though we were competitors. There are very few men in the bicycle industry that have worked as hard with an honest heart and treated his customers as fellow riders. ...

    Best wishes

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    David, I'm sure many would say the same about you. Thank you for sharing.


    I would be lying if I said all of the changes at Titus make me feel good about the direction the comapny is heading in but I will keep my fingers cross that the enthusiasm will not be lost in the growth.

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    Kinda Sucks...

    From whatevere it is that I know, and how I've come to understand it... Chris Cocalis is Titus Bikes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBAZ

    I agree with Enduser - the two best bikes are Titus and Turner - it would be very interesting to see the two best industry leaders, DT and CC, design a mountain bike.

    I could see other better synergies than a mountain bike. Titus builds some wonderful road bikes, it would be great if Turner did also. How about TI Turners. I doubt we have seen the last of Chris.
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    I would bet the farm that CC has some type of "no compete" clause.

    You may have to wait a few years for him to resurface in the bicycle business...if he is ever able too.

    Mabey he will revolutionize motocross suspension...

    Just my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    I'm not terribly happy with what I perceive as a turner victory lap. but so it goes.

    still, no man is an island. Don’t dam the other contributors to Titus success. They work hard too.
    I'm sure that has nothing to do with it. Turner is selling bikes like hotcakes- I don't think Titus was stealing any business from them. Plus, look at the way DT handled the hearse-link panic and Ellsworth rumours. Personally, I'm glad to see good will between Dave and Chris, especially since I also think of Turner and Titus as being top notch bikes- which is why both companies have gotten my business.

    I worked at an indy frame shop for years, it was a real eye-opener to see how hard it is to make a profit selling high-end frames. Especially Ti Road stuff, there are so many companies oferring ti frames now, and they are not cheap to make. Seems to me that Titus took a gamble by going overseas and expanding their product line, probably to hopefully increase profits. Just like specialized has done years ago. Well, maybe Chris didn't like the direction it was heading towards. Fair enough. Personally I would prefer to see Titus foster their high-end market share by offering more size and finish options on the alu. motolite, even if the cost goes up. And also, get that buck60 out! But instead there's seatposts and stems which nobody seems stoked about.

    Perhaps the Titus crew are reading this- hopefully so. MTBR is a great way for MFG's to talk to their potential customers. Dave Turner, I really like that you post here, as you said, it's a reminder that you are concerned about riders & riding first, the business of manufacturing bikes second. If the riders get what they want at reasonable prices then the potential to make a profit should fall into place.

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    The purpose of this letter is to let you know that as of June 30th, 2006, I am no longer with Titus Cycles. As many of you know, I incorporated the company in 1991, and have always had a strong passion for cycling dating back to the early 80’s. It has been my passion and attention to detail that has been the driving factor behind Titus’ reputation for quality, innovation, and leading position as one of the premier high-end brands in the cycling industry.



    In 2001 Titus Cycles merged with Vyatek Sports (a composites technology firm). During the last five years with Vyatek and Titus, I have continued to grow Titus Cycles into a multi- million dollar high end industry leader as well as successfully bringing new cutting edge design and technology to the cycling industry. It has been five years since the Vyatek/Titus merger and I have decided to end my partnership with Vyatek and Titus Cycles, sell my interest in the companies, and explore new challenges.



    You can now reach me at:


    [email protected]
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I'm sure that has nothing to do with it. .
    there is nothing wrong with a victory lap....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    I don't know what to say... I'm completely stunned and speechless.
    Really? If you hadn't dismissed my posts earlier in the year perhaps you'd be a little less stunned and speechless.

    Chris started and ran a company until he entered into a partnership with another company. He's not the first guy to do this and leave and he won't be the last. I suspect he'll land on his feet and do fine wherever he decides to plant his feet. It can be hard to give up something you "made" yourself but to paraphrase the Godfather (because I don't know the proper quote), it's just business and not personal.

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    I've never owned a Titus, but I've seen the exemplary manner in which Titus treats its customers both here on MTBR and through the experiences of fellow riders. I have no doubt that this is due in large part to the attitude and perspective of Chris and the rest of his crew at Titus. I'm looking forward to seeing what he applies this same attitude and dedication to next. Hopefully, Titus carries on as it has, even without Chris, but I think some concern in this regard is justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braids
    Really? If you hadn't dismissed my posts earlier in the year perhaps you'd be a little less stunned and speechless.
    Well... time prove you right.

    But yet, it's kinda the same feeling I have for Michael Schumacher. I know he'll have to retire someday off F1... but the day he choses to retire, I'll be stunned and speechless anyway.

    Even if I knew for good Chris was about to retire, I'd be equally surprised the day he'd say "I'm leaving".
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    if you ever met the man, you know what a loss this is. if you ever did biusiness with him, you know how honest and passionate he is. if you ever were lucky enough to have a beer or share a ride with chris and get to know him, you know how fine a person he is. all my respect my friend. good luck and stay in touch.
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    Thanks for the heads-up Dave, and thanks for verifying my positive impressions of Chris.

    Interesting thing, watching the evolution of companies and those who founded them. WTB and Salsa and Moots and Ibis and now Titus. In many cases it takes one kind of person to grow the cow, and a very different type to milk it.

    I join you in wishing him the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AkDave
    2000 Motolite, Riddler, Locomoto and a HCR.........a history I have truely enjoyed. I'm glad I got them when I did.....End of a special era. Good by Chris, and thanks a bunch!
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    The same thought crossed my mind briefly while reading this. We now will have Titus Bikes BCE, and Titus Bikes AD (after departure).

    Either way, I'm sure Titus will continue to make the same quality bikes they always have and they will still get a serious look from me in another few years or so when I am looking for another ride. Right now, I am hot and heavy with my Racer X
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimh
    I would bet the farm that CC has some type of "no compete" clause.

    You may have to wait a few years for him to resurface in the bicycle business...if he is ever able too.

    Mabey he will revolutionize motocross suspension...

    Just my thoughts.

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    You never know. Kent Erickson, the guy who started Moots, had a similar situation (I believe). He's already started over and is making his own frames.

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    Geeze what a shot in the gut to read this!

    IMO the industry as a whole takes a hit when good, high-quality and passionate designers stand down.

    I sincerly hope CC turns this into a hiatus and eventually starts up another bike related business. We all need people of his caliber to keep raising the bar of design, quality and service.

    I can't imagine how tough a decision this must have been. I wish Chris Cocalis peace of mind and prosperity in his next endavor. Same for his creation Titus cycles!

    I think the customers can still breath easy in that the company culture does not usually change with the departure of one person. I'm sure Titus enjoys their success and would be quite reluctant to mess with their winning formula.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Geeze what a shot in the gut to read this!

    IMO the industry as a whole takes a hit when good, high-quality and passionate designers stand down.

    I sincerly hope CC turns this into a hiatus and eventually starts up another bike related business. We all need people of his caliber to keep raising the bar of design, quality and service.

    I can't imagine how tough a decision this must have been. I wish Chris Cocalis peace of mind and prosperity in his next endavor. Same for his creation Titus cycles!

    I for one appreciate the respect and good props coming outa the Homers about this. Over here he is certanly a highly regarded bike builder. And for me, I liked hearing about it from "as far as I'm concerned" one of, if not his only peer...

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    David, Thanks for posting this information. I find myself a little sad when a well-respected member of the industry leaves the company he started. I sincerely hope that Titus continues to put out great bikes and that Chris has good fortune in future endeavors (hopefully, for us, in the bike business).

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    2004 switchblade...

    i just demo'ed the motolite this past weekend as part of matt's (?) southeast tour and loved that bike!

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    I have known Chris for 7-8 years.
    During that time he has always been a man of integrity and honesty

    I sincerely wish him the best in his future endeavors...

    Hopefully he will have more time to spend with his family and enjoy life.

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    Best of luck Chris. You ar a good, solid, sincere man. Let me know if I can help in your future projects.

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    Bicycle Retailer article July 6:

    Titus Founder Chris Cocalis Departs After 16 Years

    JULY 06, 2006 --

    TEMPE, AZ (BRAIN)—Chris Cocalis, Titus Cycles' founder and president, left the company June 30.

    Cocalis founded the company in 1991 with the vision of developing flexible manufacturing processes for building high-quality custom titanium frames. In 2001 Titus Cycles merged with composites technology firm Vyatek Sports. Cocalis retained equity in both companies and secured a five-year contract as part of the deal.

    Cocalis decided to leave when negotiations over a new contract failed last month.

    “The things that they proposed in the new contract were not really in my best interest. For me it was better to sell my interest in both companies now than to agree to basically stay there as an employee. I owned and developed and ran the place for 15 years, and it was time for me to explore other opportunities,” Cocalis said.

    “Of course, after 15 years here, I regret that we couldn’t come to an agreement that will work for both companies,” he added.

    Pat Hus, Titus Cycles’ chief executive officer, said the company would miss Cocalis’ product development expertise.

    “For the past year and a half we worked together in tandem really well,” said Hus, who joined Titus last April. “Unfortunately, we couldn’t get past the contractual terms. Chris had wealth of knowledge in terms of product and we’re going to miss him around here.”

    Cocalis plans to stay in the industry in some capacity. He can be reached at (480) 753-0153 or [email protected].</paragraph_body> </paragraph_body>
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    Wow, those are really shocking news. I just wish Chris my best wishes (that's all I can do) in his future endeavors (he deserves it!), hopefully related to bikes business (we want it!)

    When I think about what set a frame design / brand / model apart from other ones, a lot of things come to my mind, but I'd use a general word: Value. IMHO, I'd define value as a function of:

    1- Manufacturing process (which is a function of raw materials, labor and equipment)
    2- Frame performance (is a function of 1 AND geometry and suspension design)
    3- Customer service
    4- Price (considering above three factors performance levels)

    I think that 1. 3 and 4 shouldn't change (in a negative way) because of CC leaving. However, I afraid that 2 could be impacted when time comes to fine tuning current designs and to develop new ones. Why? This is largely impacted by the KNOW HOW that CC learned after 15 or so years in this business, and that is something not easily replaceable.

    I DO REALLY hope to be wrong, because I love Titus frames and just want to see more of equal or higher quality coming. Only time will tell.....


    Just my 2 cents

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    All the best

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    All the best. I will tell you that my first Racer X back in 1999 was the first full suspension bike I truly enjoyed. I always appreciated the ability to talk to you directly and even go on a factory tour back in 2000.

    Hope to see you stay in the industry.
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    Sad news... all the best to Chris.

    I hope he stays in touch.

    All the best,
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    Wow, got a shock reading this, not a bad shock, but a shock non the less.............. It takes a huge amount of courage, candor and humilty to step down from a company you started, and have built into what I have read a superb cycle company.

    I can say Chris, am rapted and lost for words that I have purchased a piece of your technology and art work, this being an ExoGrid MotoLite frame.... A pure piece of art, a pleasure to ride, the industry has not really cottoned onto how amazing this synergy of materials rides.................. Have to say it "Sex on a Stick"

    Best wishes for your next journey, its all about enjoying the journey..............
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    After reading Chris' letter it's clear as to how unhappy this parting of the ways makes him. That is unfortunate and I wish him all the best in his future endeavors.

    That being said the fact that he has been 'squeezed' out speaks to success of the business model that he built and of course behind that, the quality product that he has built over the years. If it wasn't working so well there wouldn't be people trying to squeeze him out. I'm sure that's no solace at this time but some day he'll probably appreciate that more and more. Hopefully he turns up again soon in the biz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Well... time prove you right.

    But yet, it's kinda the same feeling I have for Michael Schumacher. I know he'll have to retire someday off F1... but the day he choses to retire, I'll be stunned and speechless anyway.

    Even if I knew for good Chris was about to retire, I'd be equally surprised the day he'd say "I'm leaving".
    Wow! You couldn't just say I was right and you were wrong.

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    This explains a lot to me as far as what has happened to Titus in the last 18 months.

    When business rules passion, no one wins in the end. Hold that. Lawyers and advertisers win.

    Chris, you built a great company and bikes. We hope to see you, your passion, and your new bikes soon.
    PS, make it a 29er, and i'll buy the first one to 'help you out'.

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    Best of luck to you Chris and I as a consumer will miss your leadership at Titus. Hopefully Titus will continue to drive their business in the matter that has gotten them there. I as a loyal Titus customer just bought 3 MotoLite frames, of which 1 will replace my Racer-X and 2 frames will go to my friends. I sincerely hope that the ML is not the last bike that I get from Titus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braids
    Wow! You couldn't just say I was right and you were wrong.
    I thought the first sentence said it. Sincerely.

    Must be my bad english.
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    Bummer for Titus....Chris was the heart and soul of that company...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braids
    Really? If you hadn't dismissed my posts earlier in the year perhaps you'd be a little less stunned and speechless.

    Chris started and ran a company until he entered into a partnership with another company. He's not the first guy to do this and leave and he won't be the last. I suspect he'll land on his feet and do fine wherever he decides to plant his feet. It can be hard to give up something you "made" yourself but to paraphrase the Godfather (because I don't know the proper quote), it's just business and not personal.
    Pat Hus is there to fill his shoes

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    Been a loyal Titus customer for almost six years...

    but this is the last straw.......what kind of an ass is Pat Hus?

    They'll miss Cocalis product development expertise.....gee what a mild understatement!!

    Chris designed every Titus frame.....yeah Pat......you'll do just fine without him.

    I toured the Titus factory in January 2001 and met Chris and Alan.....great guys. Many of my friends ride Titus frames today because of my over-the-top praise of the bikes and the company. Well......forget that......Chris and Alan are gone. So is my loyalty...time to look at a Turner or an Intense frame for my next purchase.

    Hey.....Assclown......where is your upside spin on this development?

    TEMPE, AZ (BRAIN)—Chris Cocalis, Titus Cycles' founder and president, left the company June 30.

    Pat Hus, Titus Cycles’ chief executive officer, said the company would miss Cocalis’ product development expertise.

    “For the past year and a half we worked together in tandem really well,” said Hus, who joined Titus last April. “Unfortunately, we couldn’t get past the contractual terms. Chris had wealth of knowledge in terms of product and we’re going to miss him around here.”

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    And those are very big shoes to fill. That is a tremendous amount of knowledge for a company to lose.

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    I have had the pleasure as well of working with Chris and can say that he always had his priorities on growing thw sport of cycling and the evolution of the mountain bike. I have no doubt that Titus will continue to produce top quality bicycles and in spite of this years appeals and trials, improve further upon the foundation that was built by Chris and his constituants. I know there was much scepticism in the past at the changes had by Titus including the loss and terminations of some well known freinds at Titus. But in retrospect I can say that Titus has out delivered past years and serviced every issue that was posted on here in the absolute most proffessional manner. Even those that blasted them for one reason or another have returned only to thank or praise them in the end. This may be in large part to Chris's influence or maybe because as acompany they have adopted the belief that there is a lo to be said for the rider an dnot just the bottom line dollars.
    I for one hope that this continues and look forward to the Titus A.D. as one put it earlier, Everything I have seen leads one to believe that these are going to be different times at Titus, not better not worse only different. There are a lot of hard working individuals in the company that were chosen by Chris himself even and they are there for only one reason and that is to do things right, I wish Titus well also and hope that they can live up to the legacy that is Titus Cycles Inc.
    Sorry for the long winded speech, I am sincere in my well wishes for Chris and am quite confident that while the industry will move on as well as Titus a true gentleman and scholar will be missed at the helm of TitusCycles. I am also sure that if he reads these he will be receptive to all of your support and encouragment. I hope to hear of his next endeavors and offer our support in whatever aspect possible even if it is a "dirt squirting" motocross job!

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    I ordered a motolite in June and was told that it will be in this month. Do I still want the bike? I think I do. I can always purchase a Turner. Sad news indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe

    I can say Chris, am rapted and lost for words that I have purchased a piece of your technology and art work, this being an ExoGrid MotoLite frame.... A pure piece of art, a pleasure to ride, the industry has not really cottoned onto how amazing this synergy of materials rides.................. Have to say it "Sex on a Stick"

    Best wishes for your next journey, its all about enjoying the journey..............
    Ironically, it was Vyatek Sports that developed ExoGrid, and the parnership/purchase of Titus by Vyatek Sports that lead to the departure of Chris.

    Not that ExoGrid isn't a eye-catching material and what not, but I assume Chris has a little bit of a sour after-taste when it comes to the ExoGrid seeing as he couldn't come to terms with Vyatek management on a future contract to keep him with Titus.

    But there is a lot of speculation in my sentances above, but based on the info that was released they are logical assumptions.

    Sad to see him leave Titus in any regard, and I wish him the best of luck on whatever he chooses to pursue.

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    This sucks

    Another bike guy losing control of his creation Best wishes in you're new endevors Chris; I hope to see "YOU'RE" vision of Titus returning under you're sole leadership.

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    I have two Titus bikes and can say that their quality is second to none. That said, the customer service component was what really sold me on the bike/company. I don't know if anyone has tried to get service or warranty issues taken care of by the Big S or the Big T, but let us just say it leaves A LOT to be desired. I really hope Titus continues to service their customers in the same manner as when Chris was there.

    I wonder if it was a difference in the manufacturing opinions that pushed Chris out. Titus has always been built in the USA, until recently. The carbon seat stays on the new RX's are build overseas, as is the front triangle of the ML. The push for profit at the expense of quality has killed many a fine companies and if this is the case I applaud Chris's integrity. Just a thought, and it may well be way off the mark.

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    What there hasn't been a mention of is the fact that two close industry competitors are actually friends and not bitter, dirty rivals. Very classy. There's plenty of business to go around without needing to get a dirty edge on the competition.

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    Speculation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Ironically, it was Vyatek Sports that developed ExoGrid, and the parnership/purchase of Titus by Vyatek Sports that lead to the departure of Chris.

    Not that ExoGrid isn't a eye-catching material and what not, but I assume Chris has a little bit of a sour after-taste when it comes to the ExoGrid seeing as he couldn't come to terms with Vyatek management on a future contract to keep him with Titus.

    But there is a lot of speculation in my sentances above, but based on the info that was released they are logical assumptions.

    Sad to see him leave Titus in any regard, and I wish him the best of luck on whatever he chooses to pursue.

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    Seeing as how CC got into the bke buisness with ti, I don't see how someone would draw the conclusion that he did not develope exo. He may well not have, but it seems to me that it would come from a mind capable of designing bikes that are simply incredible, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    What there hasn't been a mention of is the fact that two close industry competitors are actually friends and not bitter, dirty rivals. Very classy. There's plenty of business to go around without needing to get a dirty edge on the competition.

    I guess a good guy is a good guy, even when close competitors.

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    This is a very sad news I just hope that the value of my Titus will not go down.... Sad to see how business interest ruins the passion of one man... and affects a lot of its loyal followers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Seeing as how CC got into the bke buisness with ti, I don't see how someone would draw the conclusion that he did not develope exo. He may well not have, but it seems to me that it would come from a mind capable of designing bikes that are simply incredible, IMHO.
    My speculation is that CC has a sour taste in his mouth from the Vyatek/ExoGrid experience.

    I am 99% sure Vyatek had the major role in developing Exogrid (Patent # 6,896,006, Howard A. Lindsay is the only name on it and bikes are only one of the many "tubular structures" mentioned) and worked with CC and Titus specifically on the application for bikes, as I am in the composites business and followed the development so that portion of my comments were not really speculation and are fact.

    Sorry for the partially off topic comments.

    Again, best of luck to CC in his future endevors.

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    What a shocker. Like everyone else, I'm waiting to see where CC will make his next debut. This is not good new for Titus because anyone who knows even a little about the company knows that Titus is synonymous with Chris Cocalis' name. I see this generation of Titus' bikes selling well. Who knows what will happen from then on. I wonder how their costomer service policy will change as well. Good Luck Chris!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    My speculation is that CC has a sour taste in his mouth from the Vyatek/ExoGrid experience.

    I am 99% sure Vyatek had the major role in developing Exogrid (Patent # 6,896,006, Howard A. Lindsay is the only name on it and bikes are only one of the many "tubular structures" mentioned) and worked with CC and Titus specifically on the application for bikes, as I am in the composites business and followed the development so that portion of my comments were not really speculation and are fact.

    Sorry for the partially off topic comments.

    Again, best of luck to CC in his future endevors.

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    What does that mean. Who is Howard A Lindsay? Is he the pres "or whatever" of Vytek, if so it still wouldnt mean anything more than thier money helped bring someone elses idea "ie CC's" into development...

    Seems more logical to me that a gifted bike designer with an interest in ti bicycle frames would/could concieve of such a thing rather than some sporting goods company, with no more an interest in bikes than to buy into a small manufacturer ... like I said mabye not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBAZ
    And those are very big shoes to fill. That is a tremendous amount of knowledge for a company to lose.
    I'll paraphrase (perhaps even quote) myself and say, "2007 will be a very important year for Titus."

    I'm hoping to still buy a 2007 Racer 100X with the horst link and carbon fibre stays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Pat Hus is there to fill his shoes
    Pat will do what Pat is best at doing and I will let his career speak for itself.

    If I was so inclined, I'd see this as an opportunity to start a company and hire Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Seems more logical to me that a gifted bike designer with an interest in ti bicycle frames would/could concieve of such a thing rather than some sporting goods company, with no more an interest in bikes than to buy into a small manufacturer ... like I said mabye not.
    You don't see any other uses for titanium and carbon fibre mixed/bonded together other than a bike frame?

    I won't even go to Vytek's webpage and I can think of a few off the top of my head.

    Golf Clubs, High performance car parts, air craft applications, ultra-light airplanes (those things with lanwmower engines), camping equipment... Anyway, I don't want to give Vytek any ideas that they're not paying me for so I'll stop now.

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    Pat will do what Pat is best at doing and I will let his career speak for itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braids
    You don't see any other uses for titanium and carbon fibre mixed/bonded together other than a bike frame?

    I won't even go to Vytek's webpage and I can think of a few off the top of my head.

    Golf Clubs, High performance car parts, air craft applications, ultra-light airplanes (those things with lanwmower engines), camping equipment... Anyway, I don't want to give Vytek any ideas that they're not paying me for so I'll stop now.

    Who came up with the idea of using it on ti bikes?... Vytek? Wow... wonder why they didn't just start up thier own company, if they were up there with guy's in lab coats coming up with ti exogrid bike frames. Huh seems like a company I'd of heard of?

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    BA - I have always appreciated your posts, but don't be so stubborn to think that Chris is the only genius in materials around. Your loyalty to him is appreciated, but it makes you look ignorant too. There's over 200+ years of collective bicycle industry knowledge over there at Titus between the 20 or so employees...you're doing the brand a disservice by disregarding that fact.

    Check this link out. See anything familiar?

    http://www.slugger.com/

    VyaTek is an intellectual property company that earns its money by licensing it's ideas. They started out in golf shafts. Chris saw the technology and thought it work well in bicycle frames. Bill Holland at Holland Cycles thought the same thing. As well as Bacchetta Recubents (Isogrid bents). Exogrid and Isogrid technologies are not limited to titanium.

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    Good luck Chris. Thanks for the awesome bikes (Quazi & SM). Hope you stay in touch with the industry.

    On a related note, I used to own Schwinn bikes back in the day. I had to buy them at a LBS. Now I see them in Wal-Mart. It will be interesting where we'll see Titus in the future. Hopefully they won't follow in Schwinn's footsteps.
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    Chris will be missed. I'm glad I bought my 2 Titus's(HCR and Racer-X-Ti), while he was still around . I chose Titus not Just for their design's but for the fact Chris has always been a player in Titanium and technology. My belief is that he was the force behind Titus's reputation of Customer Service and Quality control, and I hope Titus maintains this within their new cooporate mantra.

    Then again, we can all rattle off numerous names of small niche bike companies that have gone the way of the dodo bird even though they gave great CS and QC
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssClown
    BA - I have always appreciated your posts, but don't be so stubborn to think that Chris is the only genius in materials around. Your loyalty to him is appreciated, but it makes you look ignorant too. There's over 200+ years of collective bicycle industry knowledge over there at Titus between the 20 or so employees...you're doing the brand a disservice by disregarding that fact.

    Check this link out. See anything familiar?

    http://www.slugger.com/

    VyaTek is an intellectual property company that earns its money by licensing it's ideas. They started out in golf shafts. Chris saw the technology and thought it work well in bicycle frames. Bill Holland at Holland Cycles thought the same thing. As well as Bacchetta Recubents (Isogrid bents). Exogrid and Isogrid technologies are not limited to titanium.

    Now I see your point Boris...

    Thanks Assclown but, alot of bike company's have lots of collective knowledg. Only one had Chris Cocalis, and those bikes are the best I've ever even thought possible. The best thing Titus has going for it now, as far as I can see, is they were started by Chris Cocalis. But of course that will fall by the wayside in time, and I'll be waiting, hoping, wishing, praying CC comes out with a new company/bike line, what have you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Who came up with the idea of using it on ti bikes?... Vytek? Wow... wonder why they didn't just start up thier own company, if they were up there with guy's in lab coats coming up with ti exogrid bike frames. Huh seems like a company I'd of heard of?
    Yes, Vyatek came up with the idea of the ExoGrid concept: aluminum, ti, steel, magnesium, etc.. reinforced with carbon fiber for any tubular structure and realized a bike frame is also a tubular structure and it would be a good idea to use it on bikes and partnered with Titus and a few others. Rather than starting their own company and earning a name for themselves over a long time with hard work it made good business sense to BUY an existing company such as Titus with a excellent reputation and loyal group of customers such as Blackagness, etc... who would immidiatly trust Titus and buy it up and it would make breaking into the bike biz much easier and faster.

    What sucks is it sounds like CC was a victim of this purchase and merger and has decided it's in his best interest to move on, hence my original post stating the irony of Whafe's praise of the ExoGrid while wishing CC well (for example, if CC and Titus never messed with ExoGrid, they (Titus) may have never been purchased by Vyatek and CC might still be head of Titus, get it? That's irony.) .

    Now if we are clear on this we can drop it and return to wishing CC fairwell from Titus and best wishes for the future. Sorry I mentioned it, sheessh......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Yes, Vyatek came up with the idea of the ExoGrid concept: aluminum, ti, steel, magnesium, etc.. reinforced with carbon fiber for any tubular structure and realized a bike frame is also a tubular structure and it would be a good idea to use it on bikes and partnered with Titus and a few others. Rather than starting their own company and earning a name for themselves over a long time with hard work it made good business sense to BUY an existing company such as Titus with a excellent reputation and loyal group of customers such as Blackagness, etc... who would immidiatly trust Titus and buy it up and it would make breaking into the bike biz much easier and faster.

    What sucks is it sounds like CC was a victim of this purchase and merger and has decided it's in his best interest to move on, hence my original post stating the irony of Whafe's praise of the ExoGrid while wishing CC well (for example, if CC and Titus never messed with ExoGrid, they (Titus) may have never been purchased by Vyatek and CC might still be head of Titus, get it? That's irony.) .

    Now if we are clear on this we can drop it and return to wishing CC fairwell from Titus and best wishes for the future. Sorry I mentioned it, sheessh......

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    BY, I take your point on board, was not aware or the facts. Whoops........ Still great then in my opinion that this synergy of materials has ventured onto the scene with Titus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Yes, Vyatek came up with the idea of the ExoGrid concept: aluminum, ti, steel, magnesium, etc.. reinforced with carbon fiber for any tubular structure and realized a bike frame is also a tubular structure and it would be a good idea to use it on bikes and partnered with Titus and a few others. Rather than starting their own company and earning a name for themselves over a long time with hard work it made good business sense to BUY an existing company such as Titus with a excellent reputation and loyal group of customers such as Blackagness, etc... who would immidiatly trust Titus and buy it up and it would make breaking into the bike biz much easier and faster.

    What sucks is it sounds like CC was a victim of this purchase and merger and has decided it's in his best interest to move on, hence my original post stating the irony of Whafe's praise of the ExoGrid while wishing CC well (for example, if CC and Titus never messed with ExoGrid, they (Titus) may have never been purchased by Vyatek and CC might still be head of Titus, get it? That's irony.) .

    Now if we are clear on this we can drop it and return to wishing CC fairwell from Titus and best wishes for the future. Sorry I mentioned it, sheessh......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    BY, I take your point on board, was not aware or the facts. Whoops........ Still great then in my opinion that this synergy of materials has ventured onto the scene with Titus.
    Yeah, ExoGrid is a good material, and I'm sure CC understands it's merits and drawbacks better than anyone, and I'm sure he contributed heavily to making it work on bikes.

    I guess the way I see it is like this, ExoGrid and Vyatek is kind of like a star quarterback with a drinking problem that kills the uncle that tought him how to play football (CC/Titus) in a drunk driving accident. On the feild there is little better, he is just toxic to personal relationships

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
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    If you have inside information or facts proving your point, please share..............otherwise I don't know how to dumb it down anymore for your southern mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Yeah, ExoGrid is a good material, and I'm sure CC understands it's merits and drawbacks better than anyone, and I'm sure he contributed heavily to making it work on bikes.

    I guess the way I see it is like this, ExoGrid and Vyatek is kind of like a star quarterback with a drinking problem that kills the uncle that tought him how to play football (CC/Titus) in a drunk driving accident. On the feild there is little better, he is just toxic to personal relationships

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    BY, I think BA's point is, this is perhaps not the forum to start having a debate on where the exogrid came from.

    This thread was about thank yous etc to Chris, not start on his company etc. Kinda like speaking ill of someone at there funeral, or shagging ya best mates wife...

    Maybe start a new thread on this topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    If you have inside information or facts proving your point, please share..............otherwise I don't know how to dumb it down anymore for your southern mind.

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    Could you please type a little slower? I'm have trouble following...

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    Holy cow! Chris, I wish you all the best, just started my own business a few years ago, and can only imagine what you're dealing with! I should feel honored as I will have one of the last CC designed Exo HT's, in 29er to boot! He was a pleasure to work with, and I trust where ever he lands, the same will be true.

    Now, as a fairly new Titus dealer (last year was the first) I am concerned. I have felt that I was dealing with a company that had a passionate leader, which I vastly prefer, I now apparently, am dealing with another corporation. Not saying the employees who make 'em are bad folks, a pal of mine in Phoenix know's one of the frame polishers personally, drinks beer, races hooptey's in Flag with him etc, so I know there are real people there. But working for a board of governors is far different than working for a guy you can have a BBQ with after hours. I have been able to say that Exo is a Titus exclusive, which makes them pop out on the radar. Now, I feel confident that every high end company that wants to pay Vyatech a few bucks, will have an Exo bike, so much for uniqueness in the market place. Again, Chris, best of luck, hope you find something wonderful to spend your time on, and Vegas will hold a few interesting conversations, I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    BY, I think BA's point is, this is perhaps not the forum to start having a debate on where the exogrid came from.

    This thread was about thank yous etc to Chris, not start on his company etc. Kinda like speaking ill of someone at there funeral, or shagging ya best mates wife...

    Maybe start a new thread on this topic.
    Understood, sorry about that, I can see how it might be in bad taste. But I do feel it was on topic becasue it is related to CC leaving to some extent.

    No more from me on this.

    Best wishes to CC and Titus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    My speculation is that CC has a sour taste in his mouth from the Vyatek/ExoGrid experience.

    I am 99% sure Vyatek had the major role in developing Exogrid (Patent # 6,896,006, Howard A. Lindsay is the only name on it and bikes are only one of the many "tubular structures" mentioned) and worked with CC and Titus specifically on the application for bikes, as I am in the composites business and followed the development so that portion of my comments were not really speculation and are fact.

    Sorry for the partially off topic comments.

    Again, best of luck to CC in his future endevors.

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    I think that Titus also posted that in the previous website (to be honest, I haven't looked too much at the new website) that they saw the exogrid and decided to build on it. Titus didn't invent it, just put it on his bikes, and I think it's an awesome tubing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    BY, I think BA's point is, this is perhaps not the forum to start having a debate on where the exogrid came from.

    This thread was about thank yous etc to Chris, not start on his company etc. Kinda like speaking ill of someone at there funeral, or shagging ya best mates wife...

    Maybe start a new thread on this topic.

    Whafe your a true gentlmen who alway's see's things strait. We may not have CC anymore but we still have plenty of his brilliantly designed, and exicuted bikes for at least a few months mabye years?

    In other words we still have Titus and if thier gonna screw it up mabye it'll take awhile. Perhaps CC will even have something new by then...Ya never know?

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    Chris designed every Titus frame.....

    Well......forget that......Chris and Alan are gone. So is my loyalty...time to look at a Turner or an Intense frame for my next purchase.

    Hey.....Assclown......where is your upside spin on this development?

    First of all I don't understand how or why you think Chris designed every frame. He had help from other engineers and designers over the years. Secondly I don't understand why you think he is some suspension god. What did he really innovate from a suspension design perspective? All he did was take Horst Leitner’s (and AMP Research) design and improve upon it. Dave Weagle of dw-link has done more to innovate suspension design.

    Lastly this is no different than your favorite athlete not being able to come to terms on a contract with their team. Imagine if Peyton Manning couldn't agree on a contract with the Colts and left. Would it be a blow to the Colts? Sure, but would they rebuild and try to make a better team? Of course. For me it was when my favorite footballer, Michael Owen, left Liverpool for Real Madrid. Owen had been the backbone for Liverpool since he was 16 and it was devastating to watch him go, but since that time Liverpool has gone on to win the FA Cup as well as the Champions League (3rd in importance after the World Cup and the Euro Championships). So will this impact Titus? Sure...Will they be able to recover and continue to put out top notch products? I am positive they will.

    Finally, I don't think Titus will lose any sleep if you decide not to buy another Titus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssClown
    Lastly this is no different than your favorite athlete not being able to come to terms on a contract with their team. Imagine if Peyton Manning couldn't agree on a contract with the Colts and left. Would it be a blow to the Colts? Sure, but would they rebuild and try to make a better team? Of course. For me it was when my favorite footballer, Michael Owen, left Liverpool for Real Madrid. Owen had been the backbone for Liverpool since he was 16 and it was devastating to watch him go, but since that time Liverpool has gone on to win the FA Cup as well as the Champions League (3rd in importance after the World Cup and the Euro Championships). So will this impact Titus? Sure...Will they be able to recover and continue to put out top notch products? I am positive they will.

    Finally, I don't think Titus will lose any sleep if you decide not to buy another Titus.
    While I agree with you on your suspension comment I completely disagree with you on your sports analogy. Those were people brought in. Chris OWNED/ FOUNDED Titus. Huge difference.

    As a person who has loved Titus bikes and has met Chris , we'll miss you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanky
    Chris OWNED/ FOUNDED Titus. Huge difference.
    Joe Montgomery OWNED/FOUNDED Cannondale, Paul Turner OWNED/FOUNDED Rock SHOX...There are many examples I could go on about, but the bottom line these companies are still around and just as healthy as ever. My point was that Titus will continue and survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssClown
    Paul Turner OWNED/FOUNDED Rock SHOX....
    and now we have Rock Shox and Maverick. lets hope chris pushes to start over.

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    Anologies suck...

    Quote Originally Posted by AssClown
    Lastly this is no different than your favorite athlete not being able to come to terms on a contract with their team. .....Will they be able to recover...? I am positive they will.
    Yeah, just look at the post-Jordan Chicago Bulls

    Seriously, it's only fair to take Titus on products and services they offer. No need to worry... When come correct, the cream will float straight to the top.
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    Dear Loyal Titus fans,

    It is with much regret that we have seen the departure of Chris Cocalis from Titus Cycles. In light of the recent developments we felt it was best to address this issue and to clear up any confusion in the matter.

    Although not common knowledge, Titus is owned 100% by VyaTek Sports. 5 years ago Chris sold Titus to VyaTek for a small ownership position in VyaTek and for stock options in Titus. Since that time he has worked here as president/founder/employee and has made significant contributions to the company and its products. Unfortunately for both parties, Chris believed that it was in his best interest to part ways with the company he founded in 1991 and made the decision to pursue new opportunities.

    Titus will continue to forge ahead down the path that Chris has laid out before us delivering the most innovative and highest quality product we can while still maintaining the exemplary customer service that has been synonymous with Titus over the years. Additionally, the personnel that have been assembled at Titus carry the same passion for the sport that Chris did.

    I believe you will all be pleasantly surprised at the 2007 product offerings and you will see Chris’ mark on many of our new products.

    Please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions or concerns at 1-800-85-Titus or e-mail us at [email protected]

    Sincerely,

    Jeff Titone
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssClown
    Finally, I don't think Titus will lose any sleep if you decide not to buy another Titus.
    If Titus doesn't think losing another customer is a problem then they have problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanky
    While I agree with you on your suspension comment I completely disagree with you on your sports analogy. Those were people brought in. Chris OWNED/ FOUNDED Titus. Huge difference.

    As a person who has loved Titus bikes and has met Chris , we'll miss you!
    Sometimes it's best if the founder of the company leaves a company so it can grow. Starting a company is risky and takes a certain skillset and personality. Running a mature company takes a different skillset and often the person who founded the company is unable to adapt so it's best for everybody involved that they move on. It can get messy when you're the founder of the company and only own part of your company and not all of it but that's another risk some people feel they have to take to be successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Jeff
    Dear Loyal Titus fans,

    It is with much regret that we have seen the departure of Chris Cocalis from Titus Cycles. In light of the recent developments we felt it was best to address this issue and to clear up any confusion in the matter.

    Although not common knowledge, Titus is owned 100% by VyaTek Sports. 5 years ago Chris sold Titus to VyaTek for a small ownership position in VyaTek and for stock options in Titus. Since that time he has worked here as president/founder/employee and has made significant contributions to the company and its products. Unfortunately for both parties, Chris believed that it was in his best interest to part ways with the company he founded in 1991 and made the decision to pursue new opportunities.

    Titus will continue to forge ahead down the path that Chris has laid out before us delivering the most innovative and highest quality product we can while still maintaining the exemplary customer service that has been synonymous with Titus over the years. Additionally, the personnel that have been assembled at Titus carry the same passion for the sport that Chris did.

    I believe you will all be pleasantly surprised at the 2007 product offerings and you will see Chris’ mark on many of our new products.

    Please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions or concerns at 1-800-85-Titus or e-mail us at [email protected]

    Sincerely,

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    Jeff, appreciate hugely you coming onto the board to, as you say clear up any confusion that may have surfaced. Having spoken to you a number of times myself, the service that Titus offers is fantastic, long may these great attribute stay at the forefront.............

    While I am here, the ExoGrid Motolite you built for me is the ducks nuts, FANTASTIC.....

    Keep up the great work Titus...
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    Titus Jeff]Dear Loyal Titus fans,

    It is with much regret that we have seen the departure of Chris Cocalis from Titus Cycles. In light of the recent developments we felt it was best to address this issue and to clear up any confusion in the matter.

    Although not common knowledge, Titus is owned 100% by VyaTek Sports. 5 years ago Chris sold Titus to VyaTek for a small ownership position in VyaTek and for stock options in Titus. Since that time he has worked here as president/founder/employee and has made significant contributions to the company and its products. Unfortunately for both parties, Chris believed that it was in his best interest to part ways with the company he founded in 1991 and made the decision to pursue new opportunities.

    Titus will continue to forge ahead down the path that Chris has laid out before us delivering the most innovative and highest quality product we can while still maintaining the exemplary customer service that has been synonymous with Titus over the years. Additionally, the personnel that have been assembled at Titus carry the same passion for the sport that Chris did.

    I believe you will all be pleasantly surprised at the 2007 product offerings and you will see Chris’ mark on many of our new products.

    Please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions or concerns at 1-800-85-Titus or e-mail us at [email protected]

    Sincerely,

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    Well, thank you very much for this official statement, I think it clears up a lot of things.
    I wish all the best to CC, and all the best to you who still work at Titus to continue developing the same great products in the future. Keep it up!
    ...Oh and please, put a ML owners manual on the website!!
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    Jeff, thanks for the explanation. The was I see it is that while I certainly regret Chris' departure, at the end of the day, it is none of my business. I'll judge Titus on its own merit.

    Now, it would be nice if you guys at Titus would come interact with your customers on this site for things other than the controversy du jour (i.e. transfer of welding to Taiwan, CC's departure). We're not asking you to show up on this site everyday, but interacting with your customers once in a while would be nice.
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    Good job!

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    Thanks for clearing it up, Jeff!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Jeff, thanks for the explanation. The was I see it is that while I certainly regret Chris' departure, at the end of the day, it is none of my business. I'll judge Titus on its own merit.

    Now, it would be nice if you guys at Titus would come interact with your customers on this site for things other than the controversy du jour (i.e. transfer of welding to Taiwan, CC's departure). We're not asking you to show up on this site everyday, but interacting with your customers once in a while would be nice.


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    It's really shocking... I wasn't even expecting this any soon.
    First, I want to wish the best to Chris. Thanks for your incredible designs and contribution to the bycicle industry and also I hope for Titus to still hold the fight for the best bike company!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braids
    If Titus doesn't think losing another customer is a problem then they have problems.
    My point probably wasn't too clear, but what I was implying was that I think Titus would rather have a customer who purchases their bike(s) based on quality and performance characteristics of the product rather than a customer who bases their purchases on whether Al Brown or Chris Cocalis is around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssClown
    My point probably wasn't too clear, but what I was implying was that I think Titus would rather have a customer who purchases their bike(s) based on quality and performance characteristics of the product rather than a customer who bases their purchases on whether Al Brown or Chris Cocalis is around.
    A Clown, putting it correctly as you have puts a whole different meaning to the sentence, we need to remember that the net is one domensional. You are indeed correct re purchasing because of the company not the individual

    I think you will find that most posts have been congratulating the individual on his work and progress in a competitive industry. It is always going to be knee jerk to think sh!t the head dude is going, things are going to go to the pack. His culture would have been shared amongst his team, that crazy saying, there is no I in team..........

    I am not going to judge Titus until they do something to me as an individual............All Good.......
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    So Titus Jeff, a Marketing Manager, makes his 1st post on mtbr to ease your fears and now all is well?

    I know it sucks Titus fans/riders, but the end of an era has come. Chris Cocalis did not abandon his own creation due to petty differences.

    Hopefully we can all look forward to CC's new bikes in the not too distant future.

    Good luck Chris.

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    AndyN - I was thinking the same thing after I read the post . . .A Marketing/Sales person responds to explain the situation. It does not provide alot of comfort.

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    AndyN - I was thinking the same thing after I read the post . . .A Marketing/Sales person responds to explain the situation. It does not provide alot of comfort.

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    And another thing!

    So he comes on here to tell us Vy...whatever bought 100% of Titus back in 2001. Never mind the fact he obviously sold it with the understanding he would still operate for all intents and purposes as the OWNER! of the company HE STARTED!. Anyway this is a thread about CC, and something about that just didn't sit right with me.

    The people who are still with Titus now have done a great job, and I'm sure they'll continue to do so... I Love My Bike.

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    wow the same old sackless homors are over here bashing Titus. what a complete waste of time. DT basically accuses Titus management of steeling the company....... harsh words about the competition. not really a good show. in my opinion.

    these manufacture boards breed a type of brand pride which I don't think is really healthy. its swell to swap set up tricks and tire advice, and joke around with the regulars., maybe show pictures of hot twins. but I'm done.

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    A note from a former Titus Employee......

    "I am posting this for a former Titus employee...Any posts will be forwarded to the author."


    I am not a cyclist and as such, am not a member of MTBR, but felt strongly enough about this news to ask a friend to post this for me.



    “Departing Titus” was the subject line as I read the email from Chris about his leaving Titus. This has been a theme for over a year now, the departing I mean. I was among the first to leave after Pat Hus and company came to town, but the last that was truly Titus walked out the door on June 30th of this year. What is my opinion worth? Well, I worked closely with Chris for 7 years as a frame welder and eventually Head Welder for the last few years.



    I left just over a year ago for reasons of my own and will not speculate on Chris’ reasons here. As one might expect, we disagreed many times over the years, but I Chris is my friend and I have always had a tremendous respect for him as a person, employer, and as a leader in the industry. Coming from the aerospace industry, I have been exposed to countless designers and engineers and their mediocre performance in products that “fly.” Chris, with his “accounting” degree has shown awe inspiring innovation and creativity in designs driven by his passion for cycling. I have never seen anyone who could problem-solve like Chris, when a glitch came up, he would reach into his quiver of experience and pull out an answer in no time. The man is brilliant with suspension concepts and is fanatical about customer satisfaction. He is passionate for cycling in every sense. Whatever “challenges” Chris encounters in the future pale in comparison to the challenges that Titus will face without him and the passionate crew he assembled that is now long gone. Chris will not be the same after leaving Titus and Titus is not the same without him. The difference is that Chris, like the rest of us that have left, will be the better for the change.



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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    wow the same old sackless homors are over here bashing Titus. what a complete waste of time. DT basically accuses Titus management of steeling the company....... harsh words about the competition. not really a good show. in my opinion.

    these manufacture boards breed a type of brand pride which I don't think is really healthy. its swell to swap set up tricks and tire advice, and joke around with the regulars., maybe show pictures of hot twins. but I'm done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN
    So Titus Jeff, a Marketing Manager, makes his 1st post on mtbr to ease your fears and now all is well?
    Andy, I understand your reasons to be suspicious and for a minute, I was wondering myself what was about to be the destiny of my (now discontinued) frame if it ever broke or something.

    But I'm the kind of person who will not judge a book by its cover. No one should be judged as guilty, until proven to be.

    Judging Jeff's words just because he's a marketing guy, is as fair as considering a girl a 'hore, because you met her at a club.

    While CC's departure is a bit hit, we should give Jeff, and all the Titus crew management the opportunity to show us what they're made of, what will they do with Titus from now on, and what will they do to keep Titus' customers being loyal.

    And I will not speak for the rest of us, but I react better to a crowd when I have a good welcome. Not to lay the red carpet, but a positive one is more than ehough.

    Call me naive (or dumb, if you want to), but I'll give my confidence to new Titus management until they prove themselves wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    So he comes on here to tell us Vy...whatever bought 100% of Titus back in 2001. Never mind the fact he obviously sold it with the understanding he would still operate for all intents and purposes as the OWNER! of the company HE STARTED!.
    So now you are privy to the contents of CC's contract with VyaTek? What makes you think he sold it with the "understanding" he would still operate Titus as the "owner"? That is a bold assumption. I don't know too many people in the business world who sell their company and still expect to have complete control.

    BA, I have never seen someone ebb and flow with the tide of public opinion as much as you. First you agree with with Andy N, then when the mood strikes you agree with Demo_Slug. Do you not have an opinion of your own? If memory serves me correct CC did not help you when your seat stay broke...It wasTitus Jeff (there's only one Jeff over there). And then you have the nerve to call his credibility into question? Shame on you.

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    Call me naive (or dumb, if you want to), but I'll give my confidence to new Titus management until they prove themselves wrong.

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    You are right Mexican kid ! I dont see why they should be a bad company now that Chris left them. A different for sure, but they can be very good, since I have to believe that there are some passionate workers doing a good job.
    If we are lucky , Chris will set up a new company making awesome bikes , and we , as costumers will have more good products to choose from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    these manufacture boards breed a type of brand pride which I don't think is really healthy.
    I agree with you here.

    But I still don't see any reason to think there is any ill will towards Chris C., either from Dave Turner or from any turner owners. It's also possible that this was an amiable split between chris c. and titus. Why must we presume there are hard feelings here anywhere? I don't see that happening. It's only about brand vs. brand if we choose to make it that way.

    Off to ride and do trailwork today....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mintbiker
    "I am posting this for a former Titus employee...Any posts will be forwarded to the author."


    I am not a cyclist and as such, am not a member of MTBR, but felt strongly enough about this news to ask a friend to post this for me.



    “Departing Titus” was the subject line as I read the email from Chris about his leaving Titus. This has been a theme for over a year now, the departing I mean. I was among the first to leave after Pat Hus and company came to town, but the last that was truly Titus walked out the door on June 30th of this year. What is my opinion worth? Well, I worked closely with Chris for 7 years as a frame welder and eventually Head Welder for the last few years.



    I left just over a year ago for reasons of my own and will not speculate on Chris’ reasons here. As one might expect, we disagreed many times over the years, but I Chris is my friend and I have always had a tremendous respect for him as a person, employer, and as a leader in the industry. Coming from the aerospace industry, I have been exposed to countless designers and engineers and their mediocre performance in products that “fly.” Chris, with his “accounting” degree has shown awe inspiring innovation and creativity in designs driven by his passion for cycling. I have never seen anyone who could problem-solve like Chris, when a glitch came up, he would reach into his quiver of experience and pull out an answer in no time. The man is brilliant with suspension concepts and is fanatical about customer satisfaction. He is passionate for cycling in every sense. Whatever “challenges” Chris encounters in the future pale in comparison to the challenges that Titus will face without him and the passionate crew he assembled that is now long gone. Chris will not be the same after leaving Titus and Titus is not the same without him. The difference is that Chris, like the rest of us that have left, will be the better for the change.



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    Zanotti,

    Why don't you give it up? You have nothing to gain and you look like an ASS! Why don't you just come out and admit that you are this digrutled employee with an axe to grind with Pat Hus, itstead of saying "I'm posting this for a friend" Pretty transparent. Although I believe it was Cocalis himself who gave you your walking papers. Maybe if you didn't bring that damn dog into the shop all the time, hell or even your kid. Making your own hours and using company assets to build Mint frames might have had something to do with your departure. Not to mention your quality was suspect at best. I'm surprised you didn't kill Lambert with that shoddy tack weld on his steerer tube. You are a hack.

    Just go home Chris and stop wasting everyone's time.

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    I hope this thread is still here when I get back from my ride. Anybody have some popcorn?

    PS. The fact Titus employees are now taking pot shots at ex-employees in this thread shows exactly how toxic the environment at the company has gotten. When was the last time Titus had a team building session?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssClown
    So now you are privy to the contents of CC's contract with VyaTek? What makes you think he sold it with the "understanding" he would still operate Titus as the "owner"? That is a bold assumption. I don't know too many people in the business world who sell their company and still expect to have complete control.

    BA, I have never seen someone ebb and flow with the tide of public opinion as much as you. First you agree with with Andy N, then when the mood strikes you agree with Demo_Slug. Do you not have an opinion of your own? If memory serves me correct CC did not help you when your seat stay broke...It wasTitus Jeff (there's only one Jeff over there). And then you have the nerve to call his credibility into question? Shame on you.



    As for who helped me with my seatstay,it was actually Demoslug who helped the most. And a great help he was, some stranger PMing him freaking out asking advice on what to do. And he was cool enough to PM me back several times filling me in on a few things he's picked up about Titus and telling me exactly what steps to take. First off I emailed CC who responded within the day. He told me what to do and who to contact, and it was during SeaOtter witch say's alot to me. He also sent me a couple follow up emails and answered any Q's he could. Jeff was also great to me and if that's the same guy than I feel kinda bad for my post, but it was actually Chris who'm I was relying on at the time. But it's really good to know that there are people like Jeff there at Titus

    Now AssClown if you choose to respond to me directly again be sure you've got your facts strait or I'll fill you in on a few more things. I admit I am torn but I haven't said anything I would take back yet from either perspective. I'm now officialy neutral, and I'm going to take Warps advice and reserve judgment.

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    For me, when I have communications from Marketing/Sales people I think of "spin" and "sales pitch". I become cautious and I am hestitant to believe what I am told.

    I don't know if I have ever spoken with Jeff but I have dealt with several individuals from Titus and they have all been amazing and I am sure Jeff is the same.

    Titus with CC have come to represent innovative high quality bikes and great customer service. That is why I own two Titus bikes. Now things have changed at Titus. The passionate,creative and innovative founder is no longer at Titus. This provides for unknowns. What will be the business strategy of the new corporate leadership? Will quality suffer to maximize profits? Will customer service suffer to maximize profit? These are questions that will be answered over time and these answers will impact whether I own another Titus.

    What is reassuring is the power of this forum. Should quality suffer or customer service suffer it will be discussed on this forum. I hope the new corporate leadership of Titus realizes that . . . Again, only time will tell . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braids
    I hope this thread is still here when I get back from my ride. Anybody have some popcorn?

    PS. The fact Titus employees are now taking pot shots at ex-employees in this thread shows exactly how toxic the environment at the company has gotten. When was the last time Titus had a team building session?
    It’s not toxic, you fool, its self defense, or chemotherapy for a cancer. Chris Zanotti is a cancer! Period. He has used many screen names to post on MTBR over the past year since his dismissal from Titus. He may currently go by the name “MintBiker”, but he is most famous for his persona of “El Bin Hazaar” or whatever the hell it was. His slanderous attacks against Titus and its employees have gone on long enough. Hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet does not allow one to say whatever they want. There comes a point where these attacks are more than just sour grapes and threaten the livelihood of many good people.

    Mr. Braids, I am sure that if someone threatened your livelihood that you would be as protective and defend yourself much the same. MintBiker’s goal is only that of seeing that Pat Hus (the focus of his many attacks) fails without considering the implications of his actions. I have seen the quality of his work, yet I do not post on the independent frame builder forum and trash Mint Cycles. People need to be accountable for their words.

    A childhood friend of Chris Zanotti’s, excuse me MintBiker, works as a sales rep for Titus. His attacks against Titus have the ability to affect the sales of Titus, but yet he doesn’t even seem to care that he may be taking money out of his friends’ pocket. That one is beyond belief to me.
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    Boo Hoo Hooo All The Way Home...

    Uh, last time I checked, Pat Hus had a company wide freakout session after I asked him "why he was hiring so many people from ABG and Cannondale?" You know the same placed he worked at previously...that he was fired from? I got let go after I questioned the decision of the CEO after he said he wouldn't hire anyone from his previous disasters. Sorry now, I have to get back to my shop with Sean Kennedy...yet another ex-Titus employee, and get back to delivering frames. Or do you have something bad to say about Sean as well?

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    5 small points...

    1.) First and foremost - best of luck and best wishes to Chris C - I'm sure we haven't heard the last of him by any means.

    2.) None of the news means that my RacerX and Motolite are going to ride any differently than they do right now - great. I always come back from a ride with a big sh$t-eatin' grin on my face and I can't see that changing.

    3.) We're all specualting and projecting our own personal assumptions in this thread...even the comments from Titus Jeff only shed a small amount of light on the situation that led to Chris DECIDING to leave. If you read his own quote from the Bicycle Retailer article - "I owned and developed and ran the place for 15 years, and it was time for me to explore other opportunities,” Cocalis said." - it sounds like the decision was his to make and he was by no way "fired" or forced to resign. His old contract was up and he chose not to accept the new one. To my knowledge no one on this board has a copy of Chris' previous contract with Titus nor do they have the new contract that was being negotiated - we simply don't know all the facts and should keep that in mind when posting. While it sounds like it was mostly a business decision on Chris' part, we simply don't know what kind of real-life issues might have factored in...he does actually have a life outside of Titus that involves a wife and two children...

    4.) If the comments posted previously in the thread are true, then Chris has only owned stock options in Titus since Vyatech took over in 2001 and had already been operating as an employee in his president/product development role. Like all of us in the "employed" world, our jobs sometimes don't live up to our expectations of what we want out of life. We can all choose to seek out greener pastures and it sounds to me like this is exactly what Chris chose to do. Rather than trying to vilify someone for doing this to Chris, let's respect his decision to leave Titus and wish him the best in his next venture. I for one raise a beer in solute to his accomplishments in the "Titus" chapter of his career...

    5.) Titus is still Titus, albeit lesser for the loss of Chris. They are still making great bikes and I'm sure they have some great stuff on the drawing boards for 2007 and beyond. I don't think they would have ever allowed the contract talks to go the way they did if there weren't some other talented employees in house to keep things running and progressing forward. Losing Chris is certainly a big blow and will be hard to replace, but I was out in Arizona last fall and toured the shop - there are 20-something employees at Titus and we would all be foolish to think that they all stood around and just watched Chris do everything. I know from having a brief conversation with Chris during the tour that he hasn't welded or built a frame for many years. That means that all of us are riding bikes that the staff at Titus welds (Ti/EXO/ISO) and assembles/builds (all the aluminum) -- they're still there doing their thing. Moving forward without Chris is certainly going to be more than just a bump in the road, but I think it would be premature and unrealistic to think that Titus as a company won't take steps to strengthen their staff and utilize the skills of their current employees to continue making great bikes.

    We all chose to ride Titus bikes for our own reasons, but also because of how they ride and that hasn't changed one bit. Am I sad that Chris is no longer part of Titus? Absolutely. Does it mean that Titus is going the way of the Dodo bird? I think not. Let's all take a collective breath and give the staff at Titus a little time to show us what they're made of. The term "innocent until proven guilty" should apply here.


    I think we all need to lube up our chains and take our Titus' out for a ride on our favorite trails and just enjoy the ride - I'd like to think that's what Chris is doing right now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Ronaldo
    It’s not toxic, you fool, its self defense, or chemotherapy for a cancer. Chris Zanotti is a cancer! Period. He has used many screen names to post on MTBR over the past year since his dismissal from Titus. He may currently go by the name “MintBiker”, but he is most famous for his persona of “El Bin Hazaar” or whatever the hell it was. His slanderous attacks against Titus and its employees have gone on long enough. Hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet does not allow one to say whatever they want. There comes a point where these attacks are more than just sour grapes and threaten the livelihood of many good people.

    Mr. Braids, I am sure that if someone threatened your livelihood that you would be as protective and defend yourself much the same. MintBiker’s goal is only that of seeing that Pat Hus (the focus of his many attacks) fails without considering the implications of his actions. I have seen the quality of his work, yet I do not post on the independent frame builder forum and trash Mint Cycles. People need to be accountable for their words.

    A childhood friend of Chris Zanotti’s, excuse me MintBiker, works as a sales rep for Titus. His attacks against Titus have the ability to affect the sales of Titus, but yet he doesn’t even seem to care that he may be taking money out of his friends’ pocket. That one is beyond belief to me.
    If this dude is pretending to be a friend of the guy from Mint Cycles, he is being real silly. The world is flat. Many will see this. I am sure you must also be careful of your facts. This could get real ugly!

    Youa re obviously up to something as well, you have just taken a new alias also for MTBR, why have you done this? If you are so certain, why havnt you used your old alias?
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    1.) First and foremost - best of luck and best wishes to Chris C - I'm sure we haven't heard the last of him by any means.

    2.) None of the news means that my RacerX and Motolite are going to ride any differently than they do right now - great. I always come back from a ride with a big sh$t-eatin' grin on my face and I can't see that changing.

    3.) We're all specualting and projecting our own personal assumptions in this thread...even the comments from Titus Jeff only shed a small amount of light on the situation that led to Chris DECIDING to leave. If you read his own quote from the Bicycle Retailer article - "I owned and developed and ran the place for 15 years, and it was time for me to explore other opportunities,” Cocalis said." - it sounds like the decision was his to make and he was by no way "fired" or forced to resign. His old contract was up and he chose not to accept the new one. To my knowledge no one on this board has a copy of Chris' previous contract with Titus nor do they have the new contract that was being negotiated - we simply don't know all the facts and should keep that in mind when posting. While it sounds like it was mostly a business decision on Chris' part, we simply don't know what kind of real-life issues might have factored in...he does actually have a life outside of Titus that involves a wife and two children...

    4.) If the comments posted previously in the thread are true, then Chris has only owned stock options in Titus since Vyatech took over in 2001 and had already been operating as an employee in his president/product development role. Like all of us in the "employed" world, our jobs sometimes don't live up to our expectations of what we want out of life. We can all choose to seek out greener pastures and it sounds to me like this is exactly what Chris chose to do. Rather than trying to vilify someone for doing this to Chris, let's respect his decision to leave Titus and wish him the best in his next venture. I for one raise a beer in solute to his accomplishments in the "Titus" chapter of his career...

    5.) Titus is still Titus, albeit lesser for the loss of Chris. They are still making great bikes and I'm sure they have some great stuff on the drawing boards for 2007 and beyond. I don't think they would have ever allowed the contract talks to go the way they did if there weren't some other talented employees in house to keep things running and progressing forward. Losing Chris is certainly a big blow and will be hard to replace, but I was out in Arizona last fall and toured the shop - there are 20-something employees at Titus and we would all be foolish to think that they all stood around and just watched Chris do everything. I know from having a brief conversation with Chris during the tour that he hasn't welded or built a frame for many years. That means that all of us are riding bikes that the staff at Titus welds (Ti/EXO/ISO) and assembles/builds (all the aluminum) -- they're still there doing their thing. Moving forward without Chris is certainly going to be more than just a bump in the road, but I think it would be premature and unrealistic to think that Titus as a company won't take steps to strengthen their staff and utilize the skills of their current employees to continue making great bikes.

    We all chose to ride Titus bikes for our own reasons, but also because of how they ride and that hasn't changed one bit. Am I sad that Chris is no longer part of Titus? Absolutely. Does it mean that Titus is going the way of the Dodo bird? I think not. Let's all take a collective breath and give the staff at Titus a little time to show us what they're made of. The term "innocent until proven guilty" should apply here.


    I think we all need to lube up our chains and take our Titus' out for a ride on our favorite trails and just enjoy the ride - I'd like to think that's what Chris is doing right now...
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    Best post of this thread. Now, a moderator can go ahead and lock it.
    Here here, 2nd, 3rd & 4th that. This thread is beginning to get a little ugly, Mint Cycles jumping in etc................ The above post has bought it back into perspective..... I dam well enjoyed the MotoLite HUGELY today, still grinning, well the legs are not, but inside I am....

    Got out on your Titi.......................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Here here, 2nd, 3rd & 4th that. This thread is beginning to get a little ugly, Mint Cycles jumping in etc................ The above post has bought it back into perspective..... I dam well enjoyed the MotoLite HUGELY today, still grinning, well the legs are not, but inside I am....

    Got out on your Titi.......................

    I wish Chris C the best of luck on whatever he is doing now. He is one of the best designers I have ever seen, and I am certain that whatever he does in the future will be awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mintbiker
    I wish Chris C the best of luck on whatever he is doing now. He is one of the best designers I have ever seen, and I am certain that whatever he does in the future will be awesome!
    All good mintbiker, I am sure you are spot on with your thoughts, but it may not be the place to ear them, if those guys are slagging off Titus, they will go down in a screaming heap of poop, lifes like that.................... People think highly of Titus and CC, so it will be all good...

    This thread begun with people wishing Chris all the best, its great that it has got back on this track.................... Yeah ha...................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Ronaldo
    It’s not toxic, you fool, its self defense, or chemotherapy for a cancer. Chris Zanotti is a cancer! Period. He has used many screen names to post on MTBR over the past year since his dismissal from Titus. He may currently go by the name “MintBiker”, but he is most famous for his persona of “El Bin Hazaar” or whatever the hell it was. His slanderous attacks against Titus and its employees have gone on long enough. Hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet does not allow one to say whatever they want. There comes a point where these attacks are more than just sour grapes and threaten the livelihood of many good people.

    Mr. Braids, I am sure that if someone threatened your livelihood that you would be as protective and defend yourself much the same. MintBiker’s goal is only that of seeing that Pat Hus (the focus of his many attacks) fails without considering the implications of his actions. I have seen the quality of his work, yet I do not post on the independent frame builder forum and trash Mint Cycles. People need to be accountable for their words.

    A childhood friend of Chris Zanotti’s, excuse me MintBiker, works as a sales rep for Titus. His attacks against Titus have the ability to affect the sales of Titus, but yet he doesn’t even seem to care that he may be taking money out of his friends’ pocket. That one is beyond belief to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTBAZ
    What is reassuring is the power of this forum. Should quality suffer or customer service suffer it will be discussed on this forum. I hope the new corporate leadership of Titus realizes that . . . Again, only time will tell . . .


    For what it's worth, any time I have posted something that was at a level where someone at Titus should have interjected, usually within a few hours, I have gotten a phone call. Jeff is my inside sale rep at Titus, and on any dealings I have had with him, I found him to be honest, direct, and concise. I mention this so that no-one misconstrues my next thought. I posted regarding Chris's departure, at the end of the week. In less than an hour, I had a call from Jeff, apologizing for not getting to me first, but the internet is a super fast, powerful tool, and they know it. So, rest assured, even with all that they do during their busiest months, they are on here, watching, paying attention, and responding. Chris himself, has done so on many occaisions, and I'm sure we will hear more from Jeff too. I, like the rest of you, am anxious and hopeful that becoming a corporate power player will not affect the small boutique company we have come to love. Time will tell, but let's give them a chance. Those who spin Jeff as a marketing schlep, are just being unfair, someone has to tell the news from the source, would you prefer their Janitor, would that make it more believeable? Jeff's job was to communicate what the deal was, and let us know that Titus was not becoming Huffy, (tommorow at least), and that's what he did, those who can't handle it, well, go wait 3 to 5 years for a Jeff Jones, nice bikes, titanium, and fully capable of stirring up controversy= Peace.
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    According to posting guidelines, personal attacks are not allowed and I will abide to it. So pleople flaming each other (you know who you are) please stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    OK, by popular agreement, thread locked.

    According to posting guidelines, personal attacks are not allowed and I will abide to it. So pleople flaming each other (you know who you are) please stop it.

    Warp.
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    If you're going to say something inflammatory, identify yourself and state your facts. Otherwise you'll get deleted and this thread might get locked.

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    If this were another industry, a founder with Chris' accomplishments leaving a company with as much success as Titus would be able to retire to a lavish desert island paradise feeling proud & satisfied. Bike industry revenues being what they are, I kind of doubt that the desert island is an option. But the success and the legacy are undiminished: my Titus is a work of art. I say job well done and congratulations on this tremendous achievement!

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    Thank you

    While I am disappointed that Chris is leaving Titus, it doesn't change the fact that I have a great bike that I love to ride.
    I am not worried about Titus and I not am I worried about Chris. I have no doubt he will be succesful in whatever he chooses to do next. I wish him all the best and I want to thank him for all that he has done with Titus.

    I will take the 'wait and see' point of view with Titus for now. Chris built and created a great bike company with amazing designs, great quality and exceptional customer service. If all of that changes with his departure, then I may look to another company when I make my next bike purchase, but at this point, I am not worried.


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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie
    If this were another industry, a founder with Chris' accomplishments leaving a company with as much success as Titus would be able to retire to a lavish desert island paradise feeling proud & satisfied. Bike industry revenues being what they are, I kind of doubt that the desert island is an option. But the success and the legacy are undiminished: my Titus is a work of art. I say job well done and congratulations on this tremendous achievement!
    Based on what I have read, CC sold Titus for a small ownership in Vyatek and shares in Titus. So how well Chris is doing now that he left is probably largely dependant on how well Vyatek did and how much Titus grew between CC selling to Vyatek and CC leaving. If Vyatek and Titus did well and his shares gained a lot of value he could be chillin comfortably on an Island somewhere with a nice nest-egg ready to fire up for his next project. It looks to me like Vyatek is doing OK, and I see a bit more Titus bikes now than I ever have. Who knows, maybe CC kept his shares in Titus and just gave up the day to day thing and just cashed in his Vyatek partnership. So there is a chance that buying a Titus still helps CC even though he is not an "employee".

    Let's hope that is the case, if Titus continues to grow and prosper it would be cool if the founder continues to benifit from it as a "shareholder", even if he is not involved in the day to day grind. I would like to think CC cashed in at the peak and is loving life, the good ol' "buy low sell high" thing.

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    I'd like to add that I know Jeff Titone. He would not stay with a company that wasn't being held to a very high standard.

    Best of luck to Chris from the old and loyal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen

    Let's hope that is the case, if Titus continues to grow and prosper it would be cool if the founder continues to benifit from it as a "shareholder", even if he is not involved in the day to day grind. I would like to think CC cashed in at the peak and is loving life, the good ol' "buy low sell high" thing.

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    I doubt this is the case. Chris said that he sold all his shares already. Also, if a company is not public, there is very little value to the stock. Private company stock is priced according to assets and earnings but there is no real market for the shares until a buyout or IPO.

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    Rarely have I seen a larger company merging with a smaller allowing the "old regime" to stay past an equational transition period. In fact, I work for a corporation where an investment firm invested "only" 150 million into it, got "only" four out of ten board seats, and promised to continue in the positive direction we were going in.

    Well, fast forward three months and they got five more seats after forcing out the old regime, removed many of the executives and replaced them with their own corporate managers, and made life tough for the rest of us. So they bought a company worth a couple billion for only 150 million.

    Be on the lookout. Mergers never work for the little person in the equation and Chris was on borrowed time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Rarely have I seen a larger company merging with a smaller allowing the "old regime" to stay past an equational transition period. In fact, I work for a corporation where an investment firm invested "only" 150 million into it, got "only" four out of ten board seats, and promised to continue in the positive direction we were going in.

    Well, fast forward three months and they got five more seats after forcing out the old regime, removed many of the executives and replaced them with their own corporate managers, and made life tough for the rest of us. So they bought a company worth a couple billion for only 150 million.

    Be on the lookout. Mergers never work for the little person in the equation and Chris was on borrowed time.
    I agree with you on this.... usually the smaller fish are left out to dry... it's kinda sad, since CC did a great job.. Let's see how Titus continues with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    I doubt this is the case. Chris said that he sold all his shares already. Also, if a company is not public, there is very little value to the stock. Private company stock is priced according to assets and earnings but there is no real market for the shares until a buyout or IPO.

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    Hopefully CC came out OK. If Titus bent over the founder and that becomes public knowledge I personally would not be able to buy any of their products from this day forward. If CC left and was taken care of and was given a generous and fair exit I might buy a product from them in the future. But I also understand business is business, and if CC signed a deal that had the potential to screw him over in the end and thats what happened then I fell bad for CC and wish him better luck in the future.

    But I am going to think positive and hope it was all good for CC until I hear otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    If Titus bent over the founder and that becomes public knowledge I personally would not be able to buy any of their products from this day forward.
    or even better. your competition tells everyone that you did...
    I think that was the point of the post......

    thats almost as sly as removing a feature and then blame one of you competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    or even better. your competition tells everyone that you did...
    I think that was the point of the post......

    thats almost as sly as removing a feature and then blame one of you competitors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    or even better. your competition tells everyone that you did...
    I think that was the point of the post......

    thats almost as sly as removing a feature and then blame one of you competitors.
    As one of the owner of a Titus bike, who is affected with this thread, and was anxious what will happen to the company ( Titus ) that I have trusted, and was very much worried what will happen to the value of my bike because of this development.

    I would like to thank you Demo slug, for making me realize that this is all a cheap shot over titus and to its customers. Whilst I respect CC very much because of his honesty, creations and most specially to his passion with MTB etc.., a thread like this caused anxiety to me because it was started by a competitor. Now it is all clear to me, and now, I will just throw away that worries and anxieties over the issue. I will just go out and ride my ML with confidence that I have and will always have an awsome bike in my possesion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    As one of the owner of a Titus bike, who is affected with this thread, and was anxious what will happen to the company ( Titus ) that I have trusted, and was very much worried what will happen to the value of my bike because of this development.

    I would like to thank you Demo slug, for making me realize that this is all a cheap shot over titus and to its customers. Whilst I respect CC very much because of his honesty, creations and most specially to his passion with MTB etc.., a thread like this caused anxiety to me because it was started by a competitor. Now it is all clear to me, and now, I will just throw away that worries and anxietis over the issue. I will just go out and ride my ML with confidence that I have and will always have an awsome bike in my possesion.

    A brillant thought Demo slug!!

    Indeed!!!!

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    So, now that we have unequivocally established that DT mischaracterized Chris's departure and painted it in a bad light purely to mesmirch the remaining Titus group and thereby selfishly drive up his own sales (just like he did when dropping the Horst link- busted!), what could that greedy, shifty-eyed, dastardly DT be up to next?? The mind reels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    So, now that we have unequivocally established that DT mischaracterized Chris's departure and painted it in a bad light purely to mesmirch the remaining Titus group and thereby selfishly drive up his own sales (just like he did when dropping the Horst link- busted!), what could that greedy, shifty-eyed, dastardly DT be up to next?? The mind reels!

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    DT is the last guy in the industry who would ever pull a stunt like DemoSlug is suggesting to increase his bike sales.

    He can hardly keep up with demand as it is so what would be the point?

    DemoSlug is exhibiting blind faith in a company that no longer exists as it once was. None of us can say for sure what will happen with Titus in the future, but this definitely stinks of corporate takeover with profit being the bottom line.

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    Blind Faith??? Hmmmm???

    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN
    DT is tHmmmhe last guy in the industry who would ever pull a stunt like DemoSlug is suggesting to increase his bike sales.

    He can hardly keep up with demand as it is so what would be the point?

    DemoSlug is exhibiting blind faith in a company that no longer exists as it once was. None of us can say for sure what will happen with Titus in the future, but this definitely stinks of corporate takeover with profit being the bottom line.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    So, now that we have unequivocally established that DT mischaracterized Chris's departure and painted it in a bad light purely to mesmirch the remaining Titus group and thereby selfishly drive up his own sales (just like he did when dropping the Horst link- busted!), what could that greedy, shifty-eyed, dastardly DT be up to next?? The mind reels!

    (Well, the pudding-brains around here reel, anyway... )
    I don't know why the fuss about DT posting this. Actually, I respect DT and I prefered to have this come from him than from hearsay or something. DT didn't laugh or made fun of it, just posted and said that CC and him had a good time (on non-bike related issues ) and that he thought it must have been a hard decision for CC.

    I respect both CC and DT, and would buy a bike from any of them when I decide to buy a new bike (I don't think it will be soon, though, I really like my ML)...

    Edit: Probably useless talk, but I will definitely look also at Titus for my next bike. I don't see that this departure would lead to a downside. I think some things might change because of a different business perspective, but that doesn't make them bad. It's a wait and see.
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    Maybe this thread should have remained locked.

    To me DS and BA spew enough BS around the Titus forum that I don't think I need to hang out here anymore.

    I said my peace to CC, and as I read it DT's comments were sincere and positive. DT is one of the few people in the industry that can relate to CC and his situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Maybe this thread should have remained locked.

    To me DS and BA spew enough BS around the Titus forum that I don't think I need to hang out here anymore.

    I said my peace to CC, and as I read it DT's comments were sincere and positive. DT is one of the few people in the industry that can relate to CC and his situation.

    Over and out,

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    You Rascal!
    This is Roscoe Peeko trans............................

    Its all business, there are not many in business that would not slip one in when they can, thats what makes this world so suckful.................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Maybe this thread should have remained locked.

    To me DS and BA spew enough BS around the Titus forum that I don't think I need to hang out here anymore.

    I said my peace to CC, and as I read it DT's comments were sincere and positive. DT is one of the few people in the industry that can relate to CC and his situation.

    Over and out,

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    I actually flagged this thread last night, so Warp should be aware of the offensive post in question. I also alerted Francois, as the posts between Demo Slug and blackagness violate the terms of the reopening of the thread, as well as furthering their history of spreading lies on the forums.

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    compairing titus to a conniving women that cheats and steels

    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy

    (Well, the pudding-brains around here reel, anyway... )

    more name calling. it don't hurt me.

    this almost did.


    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes
    What it comes down to is that Chris got cheated on then looses the house the kids and all the toys in an ugly sounding divorce. Emotionally that is the only thing I can compare this too. When I heard the news yesterday I was shocked to the point of almost being speechless. Rocked to the core. As a small biz owner we are married to our business', and in most cases far more time and energy is spent on the biz than a spouse, think of the long days, the 4am sweats, the issues popping into your head every time you close your eyes and on and on. Then to be treated like an employee, whatever that meant to Chris, was bad enough to push Chris out of HIS house. I meant NO disrespect to all the people that have made Titus what it is today, but each one of them was hired by Chris, trained by Chris and every day Chris sat down and drove in whichever direction he thought was right after processing riders ideas and industry information and business facts that Chris gathered so that months and years down the road Chris might still have a job for all the people Chris was responsible for and that his own family would be taken care of. After re-reading all the "statements" it sounds all to familiar. When the new money or investment group or umbrella partner or CEO or whatever takes over they let the founder run for awhile then when they "see" how it is done they axe him. I will miss Chris under the blue and white this fall, I know he will end up on his feet running in the direction he wants but for now his knees and palms are bleeding from the endo.

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    this is a slimeball coment. compairing titus to a conniving women that cheats and steels.

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    Ok guys.... stop name callings.

    Also, I can't completely understand all the Turner Vs. Titus fan stuff... Both DT and CC are close friends besides being competitors and both are two of the best guys in industry. They both make great bikes. Both ride great. Both are arguably the best ones out there.

    Please don't take it too far.
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    As a total outsider, I think the Titus guys are getting WAY too wrapped up in CC's departure of Titus. Frankly, it's not that dissimilar to the "horst-link-incident" that took place over in Turner land last fall which ended up as much ado about nothing.

    What everyone knows is this:
    1. CC was bought out several years ago
    2. he departed on June 30th because he couldn't come to agreement on a new contract (which could mean almost anything - disagreement over money, control, production, etc.)
    3. Titus will still exist and continue to produce high quality bikes and they've got at least one new model coming out that has everyone all ga ga over it (buck sixty)....

    Until anything changes with their bike quality, CS or any other area of the company, it's purely speculation and conjecture as to what wil become of Titus bikes - good, bad or indifferent.

    I also assume, as is often the case in a executive departure, that CC has an agreement with Vyatek that 1. he won't be saying any disparaging comments about Titus/Vyatek and 2. he can't start a competitive business for xx years (non-compete clause).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    I actually flagged this thread last night, so Warp should be aware of the offensive post in question. I also alerted Francois, as the posts between Demo Slug and blackagness violate the terms of the reopening of the thread, as well as furthering their history of spreading lies on the forums.

    DT and CC might be friends but his comment about Titus corruption are ill willed. maybe he is mad and taking CCs side. but he is kicking me when I'm down.

    I just think that if he wants to sling mud he should pay for an add
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Wait... who were we referring to again?

    Do a search of my previous threads, I am definitely not a candidate for blind faith Homer status. I almost jumped ship during the whole TNT/HL fiasco, but after doing some testing for myself and forming my own opinion I realized there were tradeoffs with either design.

    Furthermore I am a long time fan of Titus cycles. Had I not stumbled upon Turner and the 5 Spot I would have deifinitely purchased a Switchblade back in 2004.

    It has troubled me to watch the road Titus has been travelling the past couple of years starting with the announcement that some fabrication would be transported to overseas facilities.

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    The mud slinging is embarassing

    Whether DT's post was in good taste or not might be open to discussion, but I doubt that it was done to "get" at Titus. Now, this whole thread is turning into a battle of fanboys. Come on, this is not like any of us have any money invested in either company. I enjoy my bike, and I like what Titus does, but the whole attack on each other is taking the emotional investment in one's bike a bit too far.

    Anyway, this thread should have remained closed, so that we can return to the normal business of admiring each other's new blingy part (ahem, that might be a poor choice of words...) and just plain shooting the breeze. Even after the thread is locked, one can still e-mail CC directly to express his/her regrets at his departure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    DT and CC might be friends but his comment about Titus corruption are ill willed. maybe he is mad and taking CCs side. but he is kicking me when I'm down.

    I just think that if he wants to sling mud he should pay for an add
    How is DT kicking you when you're down? Are you CC? An employee of Titus or VyaTek?

    Didn't you say you were going to stop posting in the Titus forum YESTERDAY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    As a total outsider, I think the Titus guys are getting WAY too wrapped up in CC's departure of Titus. Frankly, it's not that dissimilar to the "horst-link-incident" that took place over in Turner land last fall which ended up as much ado about nothing.
    Agreed.



    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    What everyone knows is this:
    1. CC was bought out several years ago
    2. he departed on June 30th because he couldn't come to agreement on a new contract (which could mean almost anything - disagreement over money, control, production, etc.)
    3. Titus will still exist and continue to produce high quality bikes and they've got at least one new model coming out that has everyone all ga ga over it (buck sixty)....

    Ahem... It's called "El Guapo" and its numbers sound very sweet. Let's wait for production.
    Personally, I don' like the name. It means "The Handsome one" in spanish and it really it's not appealing to me. It reminds me of the dumb names of the Cadillac El Dorado, and all the (dumb, to me) Ventana names.


    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    Until anything changes with their bike quality, CS or any other area of the company, it's purely speculation and conjecture as to what wil become of Titus bikes - good, bad or indifferent.
    Agreed... too early to make assumptions. It has been mentioned that Titus will not be the same and Chris' loss being beyond repair.

    But as far as I know, the people working there are still Titus employees and people who Chris either chose or got to work with. Chances are that all people there shares Chris' work philosophy and their engineers share the same view and got a good part of his knowledge. Hence, chances are that everything will remain the same and maybe they can even improve.

    Only time will tell, but we have to visualize both scenarios and reserve judgement until they prove themselves right or wrong.

    I have only dealt with three people at Titus: Matthias, Jeff and Chris himself. Needless to mention that all of them are terrific guys and I hope to share a trail and have a cold one with each equally. Obviously, I have a deeper respect for Chris; but that doesn't change me linking Matthias and Jeff.

    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    I also assume, as is often the case in a executive departure, that CC has an agreement with Vyatek that 1. he won't be saying any disparaging comments about Titus/Vyatek and 2. he can't start a competitive business for xx years (non-compete clause).
    Yeah, corporate break-ups are shitty for the smaller guy to say the least.
    If Chris can't make a bike any time soon... what would you like (or think) would be his next step? (I mean, after getting some sun at a Mexican-Caribbean beach to take a break with his family? )
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Anyway, this thread should have remained closed, so that we can return to the normal business of admiring each other's new blingy part (ahem, that might be a poor choice of words...) and just plain shooting the breeze. Even after the thread is locked, one can still e-mail CC directly to express his/her regrets at his departure.
    Totally off topic, but seeing pics of bling (less than ten years old) doesn't do a thing for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braids
    Totally off topic, but seeing pics of bling (less than ten years old) doesn't do a thing for me.
    Off topic too... sorry.

    What moves you then?
    I mean, bling pics are always welcome to my eyes. Otherwise the press releases from the manufacturers would be all we would need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Now, this whole thread is turning into a battle of fanboys.
    Hear, hear!
    Maybe the strategy is to post a photo so heinous, no one will ever want to come back to this thread ever again. I propose this as a possibility:
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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie
    Hear, hear!
    Maybe the strategy is to post a photo so heinous, no one will ever want to come back to this thread ever again. I propose this as a possibility:
    Isn't that a Mexican Xoloscuintle?
    Damn.... of all the dog breeds of the world, we only got two. One as big as a freaking rat and one that had no hair!!!!

    Damn, we got screwed up in the dog's repartition department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Off topic too... sorry.

    What moves you then?
    I mean, bling pics are always welcome to my eyes. Otherwise the press releases from the manufacturers would be all we would need.
    The vintage, retro, classic pics even if there is no bling involved. Fixing up and getting period parts for some of those bikes is a labour of love. Anybody can buy a new bike with new parts and put it together.

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    To those who saw themselves in that scathing pudding-brain comment, no offense was intended. None was understood, I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    To those who saw themselves in that scathing pudding-brain comment, no offense was intended. None was understood, I'm sure.
    Tschezzy. I was thinking about converting to a homer.
    How many troll posts do I need to make to get a discount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Hey baby, it ain't the quantity, it's the quality. Bada-bing!
    ROTFLMAO I just spit milk out my nose on that one.

    I have to agree with what you said 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Isn't that a Mexican Xoloscuintle?
    Damn.... of all the dog breeds of the world, we only got two. One as big as a freaking rat and one that had no hair!!!!

    Damn, we got screwed up in the dog's repartition department.
    Fock Me, thats ugly, in fact that defines ugly............
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Hey baby, it ain't the quantity, it's the quality. Bada-bing!


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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    You got a smile outta demoslug... the magic that is, THE TSCHEEZ!!!
    Yeah... that was one of the all-time-best comebacks!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Yeah... that was one of the all-time-best comebacks!!!
    sorry i was kidding. it was a lame comeback. i would do better, but was asked to just take it. and to not respond to trollbate...

    its all about the payola! yo. so still want to know how many troll posts it takes to get a discount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    sorry i was kidding. it was a lame comeback. i would do better, but was asked to just take it. and to not respond to trollbate...

    its all about the payola! yo. so still want to know how many troll posts it takes to get a discount?


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    I'm I a hommer yet?
    Ok, yer a true hommer. You have a long way to go to be a Homer&reg; though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Ok, yer a true hommer. You have a long way to go to be a Homer&reg; though.
    we'll then thats it. latter. can't fight the $$$s

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    Ummm, someone forget their meds today????

    As far as I can see, it's pretty civil in here. Seems Demo isn't feeling as"kicked down" as he was a day ago and the DT conspiracy theories have subsided a bit. Maybe folks are out enjoying their Titus bikes vs. speculating on the future of the company now......

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    I’m still on strike. There is no point in contributing to the Titus forum. Once some form of momentum is reached, sack less homers will descend and take a big dump in the forum.

    As far as give the Titus management a chance? It is already a forgone conclusion that they are conniving child steeling cheaters. As specified by the Dave Turner cheap shot post.

    There really is no point to trying to build a community in the Titus forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    I’m still on strike. There is no point in contributing to the Titus forum. Once some form of momentum is reached, sack less homers will descend and take a big dump in the forum.

    As far as give the Titus management a chance? It is already a forgone conclusion that they are conniving child steeling cheaters. As specified by the Dave Turner cheap shot post.

    There really is no point to trying to build a community in the Titus forum.

    Am I missing something here? Did some posts get deleted? I see a post where DT broke the news but I don't see any "big dump". I wasn't following the blow-by-blow.
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    He's referring to a post on the same subject in the Turner forum

    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew
    Am I missing something here? Did some posts get deleted? I see a post where DT broke the news but I don't see any "big dump". I wasn't following the blow-by-blow.

    I think somebodys taking this stuff and himself just a bit too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightySchmoePong
    I think somebodys taking this stuff and himself just a bit too seriously.

    Dave
    Thanks, I'll go check it out. It's hard to keep up with the latest plot lines on "As the Wheel Turns".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew
    Thanks, I'll go check it out. It's hard to keep up with the latest plot lines on "As the Wheel Turns".
    You are not wrong there, I never saw the post in question. I dont think it was the nicest thing to be posted by a company owner in the same industry. Not at all sh!t stirring, just my thought. it seems out of character for DT in my opinion..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braids
    Pat will do what Pat is best at doing and I will let his career speak for itself.

    If I was so inclined, I'd see this as an opportunity to start a company and hire Chris.
    Pat running Litespeed? Hmmm that's good news for Titus. Another Litespeed Suit running another manufacturer into the dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Geeze what a shot in the gut to read this!

    IMO the industry as a whole takes a hit when good, high-quality and passionate designers stand down.

    I sincerly hope CC turns this into a hiatus and eventually starts up another bike related business. We all need people of his caliber to keep raising the bar of design, quality and service.

    I can't imagine how tough a decision this must have been. I wish Chris Cocalis peace of mind and prosperity in his next endavor. Same for his creation Titus cycles!

    I think the customers can still breath easy in that the company culture does not usually change with the departure of one person. I'm sure Titus enjoys their success and would be quite reluctant to mess with their winning formula.
    Most of these guys drop out, sign a non-compete for a year with plenty of compensation and then comeback in a few years with a bike company under there name. He's sitting on a beach somewhere thinking about names for his new company. Cocalis Bikes, or Tighter than Titus Bikes. All the ground work has already been done, so unless Mr. Litespeed...hmmm Pat runs the company off the cliff they'll be doing the same bikes over the next coming years. They weren't pioneers as far as I'm concerned anyway. They just refined designs that already existed or add 10mm of travel to an existing model.

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    Uhhh....!

    Maybe you didn't see Clint B's email address and signature at the bottom....God you are dumber than I thought.......




    [QUOTE=Bad Ronaldo]Zanotti,

    Why don't you give it up? You have nothing to gain and you look like an ASS! Why don't you just come out and admit that you are this digrutled employee with an axe to grind with Pat Hus, itstead of saying "I'm posting this for a friend" Pretty transparent. Although I believe it was Cocalis himself who gave you your walking papers. Maybe if you didn't bring that damn dog into the shop all the time, hell or even your kid. Making your own hours and using company assets to build Mint frames might have had something to do with your departure. Not to mention your quality was suspect at best. I'm surprised you didn't kill Lambert with that shoddy tack weld on his steerer tube. You are a hack.

    Just go home Chris and stop wasting everyone's time.[/Q
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    Titus just lost a sale.......

    Chris Cocalis was Titus in my mind. He is gone so I have no interest in trying to find a bike that is hard to get in NJ.

    Lets see. No Chris. Moto-Lite outsourced to Taiwan. Much better relations with Giant factory rep. in NJ and plenty of supporting dealers. Guess the Reign makes more sense after all and it costs less.

    Too bad.

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    Yeah, right

    "I think the customers can still breath easy in that the company culture does not usually change with the departure of one person. I'm sure Titus enjoys their success and would be quite reluctant to mess with their winning formula."

    Bike companies are not all that big and when the person who started the company leaves, the culture most certainly will change. I am only glad I found out about this before I bought a Titus because, to me, without Chris, Titus will not be the same company. I'm not sure of the comparisons some people have made to Litespeed but that is a company that has lost it appeal. Remember how GT took a dive after the unfortunate death of one of its leading people?

    No, to me Titus is going to change directions in some unforseen way and, I fear, not for the betterment of the company.

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    Titus loses my future sales and....

    I will not be recommending titus to friends. yup, ths is probably one of my last titus posts. Good luck guys.

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