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    Palo Duro Canyon Marathon Nov 20


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    Did I read correctly that there is a $4,000 purse for this race?

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    That is correct.
    Mens overall full marathon payout is as follows.
    1st 1500
    2nd 750
    3rd 400
    4th 200
    5th 150
    6th 100
    7th 75
    8th 75
    9th 75
    10th 75

    Women overall full marathon payout
    1st 300
    2nd 200
    3rd 100

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    Wow. That's awesome. Thanks.

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    Aside from being 98% s/t (according to last year's flyer), what's this course like? Fast, technical, ... what's the total ascent? Anybody got an elevation profile?

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    Garmin link to the course. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/54350792

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    Quote Originally Posted by krs16
    Garmin link to the course.
    Thank You!

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    No prob.
    Full marathon will be 3 full laps and 1 partial lap = 50 miles.

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    The women's prize list is blatantly thin in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCdaveH
    The women's prize list is blatantly thin in comparison.

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    Maybe that's just a reflection of the number of women who enter the race.
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    We based the payout from last years entries.
    90% men. Last year we didn't have a women's payout at all. So, we did step it up this year. Maybe more women will start racing and it will be bigger next year. Thanks, hope to see you there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krs16
    We based the payout from last years entries.
    90% men. Last year we didn't have a women's payout at all. So, we did step it up this year. Maybe more women will start racing and it will be bigger next year. Thanks, hope to see you there.
    I run equal pay prize lists for events I coordinate.

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    How does that work out for you? Does it generate more interest from woman racers?

    I don't think it would work too well here to give out equal pay if 90% of your entry fee is male and the purse is then divided in half.

    How many woman are in your races?

    Really am interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by texheckler
    How does that work out for you? Does it generate more interest from woman racers?

    I don't think it would work too well here to give out equal pay if 90% of your entry fee is male and the purse is then divided in half.

    How many woman are in your races?

    Really am interested?
    My approach is to make the purse an overall budget item and not a payin/payout item. My cash payouts for medium distance XC races are about $2,000 spread out over Pros (open) and Cat 1 (by age groups). These are relatively low-key regional events with about 200 racers.

    I structure my prize lists to be equal between men and women. Sure, the women's fields are significantly smaller than the men's fields. Still, they are racing and competing on the same course under the same conditions. I personally choose to offer equal reward opportunities to both genders (even though the men may need to beat out more individual racers in their cat/class to hit the money). This is just my view of the way it should be. Your mileage may vary.

    Over the years, I have seen the number and competitive ability of women racers grow at our events. A trend I hope and expect to see continue. I don't know if there is significant measurable direct cause and effect, and that is not necessarily my primary concern. The women racers have certainly expressed their appreciation for this format, and I know of several instances where this approach has helped recruit women riders to start signing up for races and to pursue upgrading.
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    Political correctness over common sense

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    Yep... I support the promoter on this one...

    Any way you look at it, this is a Great Venue with a great Marathon course. Payout is always a big deal that really does not define an event. Pro's need it... They deserve to make some cash to keep up the sport. Cat 1's will race anyway. They just are like that. I will not be in the money fo-sure, but I intend on doing the ride!

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    The top woman stands to earn 20% of what the top man stands to earn.

    Does that mean she's just 20% of the athlete or professional that he is?

    I'm not bagging on the promoter or the event. But these are fair points for discussion.

    If a promoter's approach is more "money in = money out" that's fine. Present it that way and the chips will fall were they fall. I still appreciate that the event is being presented and would be glad to support it.

    (If offering women athletes equivalent earning potential is going to be snarked as "political correctness," so be it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LCdaveH
    The women's prize list is blatantly thin in comparison.

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    Errr.... yes you did.

    Enough! I just want to ride my bike... Great course and venue! See you there!

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    I know women's fields are smaller so many promoters just don't pay as deep. A growing positive trend is to pay top 3 men & women equally or if the women's field is really small just pay 1st place equally then go much deeper for the mens field. But to pay $1500 to 1st male & $300 to 1st female is disapointing to see and is a big step backwards for female athletes.
    I will not be making the long trip from el paso to do that race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tribebabe
    I know women's fields are smaller so many promoters just don't pay as deep. A growing positive trend is to pay top 3 men & women equally or if the women's field is really small just pay 1st place equally then go much deeper for the mens field. But to pay $1500 to 1st male & $300 to 1st female is disapointing to see and is a big step backwards for female athletes.
    I will not be making the long trip from el paso to do that race.
    I wouldn't have otherwise offered my opinion, but since one of the best women riders around bothered to speak up then I will say, my thoughts exactly, Jen.

    It'd be interesting to see what would happen if a woman like you came to race, since I saw it spelled out explicitly somewhere that the prize money was awarded on the basis of time, without regard to class entered. But then, that was a guy asking about whether it mattered if he entered in his age group category. On the other hand, this course is apparently relatively flat and smooth. You might very well fall asleep half way through.

    And, yeah, I'm planning on attending, and am not bashing the promoters, but do think that for a few people to express this view, when you consider how many people are impressed by the discrepancy, well, all I can say is, what the heck do you expect? Whoever it is that's responding has no business being so defensive about the comments that've been offered here.

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    "I know women's fields are smaller so many promoters just don't pay as deep. A growing positive trend is to pay top 3 men & women equally or if the women's field is really small just pay 1st place equally then go much deeper for the mens field."
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    I like this solution... I never looked at it this way. I makes most happy and would solicit more woman riders that could compete for the overall prize money. Thank you for your view point.

    What if there were not prize money up for grabs? This is the boat I am in. Don't have much chance of winning anything, Just gonna race for the love of riding my bike on a cool race course...

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