Today is WEDNESDAY!- Mtbr.com
Page 1 of 14 1234511 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 200 of 2621
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bullit_cn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,935

    Today is WEDNESDAY!

    And here's something new from Surly...
    When trails gets tougher, Just stand up and deliver.

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation: corwin1968's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    286
    I saw that! Blog says it's now active on website but it's not there yet. I also don't get their little blurb about the name of the bike. It must be some common culture reference I'm not familiar with.

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cassa89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    672
    Quote Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
    I saw that! Blog says it's now active on website but it's not there yet. I also don't get their little blurb about the name of the bike. It must be some common culture reference I'm not familiar with.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Addams_Family


  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation: corwin1968's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    286
    Wow. I haven't seen an Addams Family episode since the 70's and I think the only character name I ever knew was Lurch and that's only because of John Kerry.

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    480
    Also,
    New Disc Trucker Color = Blue
    New Straggler Color = Mint

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,285
    First thing I thought of after the adams family reference was the bikesdirect Lurch fatbike. I wonder if this was a subtle jab at Surly by BD, or just coincidence.

    I could see future bikes getting the names "Fester", "Mortitia", or "Thing". I cannot see a bike called the "Gomez" though.

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation: tyriverag's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    1,195
    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    First thing I thought of after the adams family reference was the bikesdirect Lurch fatbike. I wonder if this was a subtle jab at Surly by BD, or just coincidence.

    I could see future bikes getting the names "Fester", "Mortitia", or "Thing". I cannot see a bike called the "Gomez" though.
    The BD fatbikes' names are sometimes thematically similar to the original fat bikes they are possibly based on:

    Pugsley - Lurch
    Fatboy - Sturgis and Nighttrain
    Borealis - Boris, not sure about this one
    it's a challenge some of us are ultimately worthy of.

  8. #8
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,285
    Never picked up on the Fatboy/Sturgis/Night Train thing before. Didn't even know there was a Night Train motorcycle till I just googled it.

  9. #9
    mtbr member
    Reputation: asollie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    366
    Anyone know what the MSRP of the Wednesday will be?
    Bikes for the Very Tall - A list I maintain of the largest bikes in the industry. Includes mtb and road.

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Saw it listed on Fat-Bike.com at 1499.

    Is this one added to "the list" yet?

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation: asollie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    366
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Saw it listed on Fat-Bike.com at 1499.

    Is this one added to "the list" yet?
    It is now! Not a great option for tall people with legs. Neither is the ICT though, and I'm riding that.
    Bikes for the Very Tall - A list I maintain of the largest bikes in the industry. Includes mtb and road.

  12. #12
    .44
    Reputation: stremf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    1,246
    Cool. I would still opt for the ICT, but still a nice option. Wonder if it will have MDS dropouts. (Pictures show Pug drops).

    Can't wait for Uncle Fester to come out.

    EDIT: Looks like yet another dropout system. "We gave Wednesday its very own dropout design as well – a rear-facing, slotted dropout that can use either 10mm or 12mm axles and exit rearward or vertically. They’re cast steel and spaced at 170/177mm."

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dfltroll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,205
    A Fester drop bar mtn bike would. Be a nice addition to the Surly family. There's also a new HB up on the site--the Cheater. Meh.
    All good expeditions should be simple in concept, difficult in their execution and satisfying to remember--Alastair Humphreys

  14. #14
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    It is now! Not a great option for tall people with legs. Neither is the ICT though, and I'm riding that.
    I was hoping for an XXL. At least the didn't go the XLL route which makes very little sense to me.

    I'm liking the threaded bb and tubeless ready rims. Puts it high on my list.

  15. #15
    Obi
    Obi is offline
    -_-
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    4,748
    I swear you're all a bunch of Surly noobs, at least cut and paste the article in here?



    Wednesday: New Bike, Same Old Hump Day
    posted by Boliver and Company
    Wednesday, August 26th, 2015





    You heard it right. New bike day has dawned at Surly Intergalactic Regional HQ with the unveiling of Wednesday... the bike not the day. It's called Wednesday. You know, cuz Pugsley. Get it? You might be wondering what this new bike is all about and that's why I am writing this blog. We've had this bike in development for a good long time and a lot of thought was put into this frame. That's what we do here, put lots of thought into frame design. People might look at the Wednesday and easily come to the conclusion that this frame is simply a Pugsley with a symmetrical rear end but those poeple would not be doing justice to the bike. The truth about Wednesday—the bike, not the day—is that it is the latest iteration of thought from people that have been designing Omniterra bikes for a very, very long time. There's a lot of nuance and nerdery in this frame that I'd like to point out, and I'm going to do that by showing where it sits compared to the Pugsley and Ice Cream Truck. A lot of people are familiar with those bikes so lets have a look.

    The idea with this bike was a do all machine, like the Pugsley, that uses a symetrical rear end and and front fork that also takes advantage of all the new ideas about trail geoemtry and the technology that has become available for Omniterra bikes. We are specing our new tubeless compatible 'My Other Brother Darryl' rims on this bike, along with a 44mm headtube and 26 x 3.8 Nate tires. It's pretty rad. Check the stats below.

    Wednesday:

    177mm centered rear spacing

    100mm threaded BB shell

    Adjustable 435 – 455mm rear stays

    69 deg Head tube angle rigid / 68 deg Head tube angle with 100mm travel suspension fork

    44mm Head Tube / Bluto Clearance on down tube

    Room for 4.6" tires on 80mm rims

    150 x 15mm thru axle Rigid Fork with dual Anything Cage mounts

    30.9mm Seat Tube with internal dropper routing

    Tubeless Compatible Surly MyOBD rims

    Cast one piece thru axle dropout

    Compatible with 10mm QR wheels with Surly adaptors



    How it’s different from the Pugsley:

    Centered 177mm vs 135mm offset rear spacing

    Stronger frame, but not much heavier

    Bluto compatible

    Thru axle compatible

    More ‘neutral’ MTB Geometry vs ‘classic’ XC Geo

    Internal cable routing for a dropper post

    Increased tire clearance—will fit 4.6" tires on 80mm rims @ 445mm RC (10mm back in dropout)

    435–455mm (Wed) vs 448-473mm (Pug) chainstay length

    Longer Effective Top Tube measurement

    Increased standover (shorter seat tubes, seat tube gusset)



    How it’s different from the ICT:

    177mm centered vs 197mm centered rear spacing

    Cast Thru axle dropout vs MDS system

    100mm threaded BB shell vs 132mm pressfit

    Less tire clearance

    Lighter, more traditional tubeset, smaller stays, more forgiving ride

    Shorter Wheelbase (435mm vs 450 RC and 69 vs 68 HTA)

    Internal Dropper Routing

    Shorter Rigid Fork

    Same standover, no seat tube gusset (slightly shorter seat tube)

    As you can see, our engineers have made a true Swiss Army Omniterra bike with Wednesday. You want a bike you can take out on a long bikepacking excursion? Run it with the rigid fork and you have brazeons aplenty with a quicker handling, 69 degree headangle and neutral trail geometry. Want to take it out to the trails and get all rad? Stick a bluto on it and you've got a bike that can shred with the likes of the Ice Cream Truck. It can swing bikepacking, trail riding, however you decide to do it. And furthermore, you'll be super happy because you'll be riding a bike and doing fun shit.

  16. #16
    Obi
    Obi is offline
    -_-
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    4,748
    ...
    Now for the action shots:



    Here's one of our enginerds running the Wednesday down a ski hill just outside Minneapolis. One of the best features of the Wednesday is it's ability to have a 68 degree head angle when you use a 100mm bluto or run the rigid fork with a 69 degree head angle. It can run 3.8 to 4.6" tires on 80mm rims, has internal dropper post cable routing, brazeons everywhere and has horizontal sliding dropouts so you can adjust chainstay length.




    Andy absolutely hates it when his tires are on the ground – he always says, 'it's not natural,' then looks all dejected and bummed out by the thought of his tires touching the dirt.

    This thing is live on the website now so you can check out all the details. MSRP on this puppy is a paltry 1500.00USD so it's a pretty cheap ticket to ride. We'll have them in stock late Oct./early Nov. so head to your local bike shop and ask them for one, then start counting the days.

    Now go ride your bike.



  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    418
    was thinking about RH rims for my Pug, but at $1K they make me think I should just buy a Wednesday (when I can get it in Black) and sell my '14 Pug.

    Time will tell.

  18. #18
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    548
    Yeah, man! I like it! A to think that I almost pulled the trigger yesterday on my RH order.
    I'm going to order a frame through my local LBS, and build mine up custom with a new Alfine 8-spd IGH.
    I'll be gettin' two wheelsets, one of them RHs.

    I'm not selling my Pugsley, though. Its just as awesome today as it was yesterday. I had been wishing for a "symmetrical Pugs," so it looks like this beggar will be riding one!

  19. #19
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    548
    Whoa, Nellie! I just remembered that an A-8 IGH is for 135mm spacing. Might not work in the Wednesday. Hmmm...spacers?...(must go measure axle length)...
    I know that the new Rohloff XL Speedhub is designed for 170 mm spacing. Might be the only IGH choice for this frame.

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bullit_cn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,935
    I think, there's nothing beat the Krampug,
    You got 2 bikes with one frame using old-standard parts ;-)
    When trails gets tougher, Just stand up and deliver.

  21. #21
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    I'm in favor of renaming the Krampug. Nothing really Kram about it. 50mm rims, Rabbit Holes in a lot of cases, do not make a Krampus. Sure Krampus was first to sport those wheels but...looking at the frames maybe the PugslECR is a better choice.

    Not that should need to be said but of course I'm kidding.

    The real question is do 29+ wheels fit in the Wed?

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bullit_cn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,935
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    bThe real question is do 29+ wheels fit in the Wed?
    That leads to my next question which you ask below...
    When trails gets tougher, Just stand up and deliver.

  23. #23
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    548
    Yep! This is true! I apologized to my Pugs on this evening's sunset ride, although I protested that I was merely looking...like any normal red-blooded fatbiker!
    I promised her that I'd order the Rabbit Holes and the new A-8. We ended up having a nice ride.
    There was an endless line of seabirds flying from south to north, just outside of the surf line. I'm talking a solid string of birds at least 20 miles long (maybe twice that!) and flying by at an average rate of about 100 birds per second. I've seen this before here on the WA coast, every year about this time. It stretches from the Long Beach Peninsula and streams northward over the mouth of Willapa Bay, north along the beaches here in Grayland, stretching across the mouth of Grays Harbor and north to Ocean Shores and beyond up the North Beaches...who knows how far....an amazing phenomenon.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    I think, there's nothing beat the Krampug,
    You got 2 bikes with one frame using old-standard parts ;-)

  24. #24
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Larry Endomorph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    239
    Quote Originally Posted by PlutonicPlague View Post
    There was an endless line of seabirds flying from south to north, just outside of the surf line. I'm talking a solid string of birds at least 20 miles long (maybe twice that!) and flying by at an average rate of about 100 birds per second.
    I'd love to see a picture of that.
    Out to ride

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    162
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    The real question is do 29+ wheels fit in the Wed?
    Surly state 26*4.6 tyres fit with the wheel pulled back, not sure exactly how that translates to 29+ but must be close?
    I own a Surly, a Surly, a Surly and a Salsa. Probably some others in there too at the bottom of the pile.

  26. #26
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    418
    Quote Originally Posted by PlutonicPlague View Post
    Yep! This is true! I apologized to my Pugs on this evening's sunset ride, although I protested that I was merely looking...like any normal red-blooded fatbiker!
    I promised her that I'd order the Rabbit Holes and the new A-8. We ended up having a nice ride....
    That's really funny. I got home from a short trip, looked at my Pug and also decided to order the RH rims. I felt guilty for being drawn to the new, Bluto-compatible Wednesday so easily without exploring the full enjoyment of my Pug.
    Last edited by homebrewtim; 08-27-2015 at 01:15 PM.

  27. #27
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jddjirikian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    459
    I'm confused.

    Rolling Darryl rims are 82mm wide.

    Is Surly telling us "My Other Brother Darryl" rims are only going to be 80mm wide?

    Surly has the MOBD rims on their website, but no specs on dimensions under the wheels section of the website.

    I'd like to take my RDs from my 907 and put them on the Wed., but won't do it if it won't take 82mm wide rims.
    "Ride what you love, love what you ride"

  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    89
    Want this bad. Looking for a replacement for my now gone Krampus. Would probably SS it.

  29. #29
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    35

    Rabbit Holes Will Fit in Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by dickyelsdon View Post
    Surly state 26*4.6 tyres fit with the wheel pulled back, not sure exactly how that translates to 29+ but must be close?
    Yes rabbit holes fit, per Surly.
    Name:  2015-08-27_16-51-09.jpg
Views: 9642
Size:  17.7 KB

  30. #30
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    16
    Quote Originally Posted by SwillyBear View Post
    Yes rabbit holes fit, per Surly.
    Name:  2015-08-27_16-51-09.jpg
Views: 9642
Size:  17.7 KB
    RH's and Knards come 26" or 29", I wonder if the Surly guy assumed 26"

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation: asollie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    366
    Quote Originally Posted by bigBuckets View Post
    RH's and Knards come 26" or 29", I wonder if the Surly guy assumed 26"
    If it can fit 26x4.6 it can almost certainly fit 29x3. Not much to worry about.
    Bikes for the Very Tall - A list I maintain of the largest bikes in the industry. Includes mtb and road.

  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Quote Originally Posted by asollie View Post
    If it can fit 26x4.6 it can almost certainly fit 29x3. Not much to worry about.
    This is probably right but after Trek (likely fibbing) told me 29+ won't fit the new Farley one can't be positive until it is done.

    Surly sells us on versatility then fails to mention other popular wheel sizes that fit. No doubt they have tried it, why not include that info upfront?

  33. #33
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bullit_cn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,935
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    This is probably right but after Trek (likely fibbing) told me 29+ won't fit the new Farley one can't be positive until it is done.

    Surly sells us on versatility then fails to mention other popular wheel sizes that fit. No doubt they have tried it, why not include that info upfront?
    It's either Surly don't want to over-commit or just playing safe on something not within the original intention of the bike.

    another example is the disk trucker, it has now a mounting hole for a Rohloff but it is not mentioned on their website...
    When trails gets tougher, Just stand up and deliver.

  34. #34
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    162
    Quote Originally Posted by jddjirikian View Post
    I'm confused.

    Rolling Darryl rims are 82mm wide.

    Is Surly telling us "My Other Brother Darryl" rims are only going to be 80mm wide?

    Surly has the MOBD rims on their website, but no specs on dimensions under the wheels section of the website.

    I'd like to take my RDs from my 907 and put them on the Wed., but won't do it if it won't take 82mm wide rims.
    Really?! its 2mm mate, apply some common sense to that post and have another think.
    I own a Surly, a Surly, a Surly and a Salsa. Probably some others in there too at the bottom of the pile.

  35. #35
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    875
    Very cool bike! Can't wait to read some real world impressions.

    I also noticed this is Surly's first mountain bike frame in a long time without the diagonal brace between the seattube and toptube. Looks real nice!
    Surly Cross Check: fat tire roadie
    Surly LHT: Kid hauler
    On One Inbred: SS 26er

  36. #36
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dfltroll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,205
    Universal Cycles has the frames and bikes listed but they aren't available. Both are priced reasonably.

    I'm pretty happy with my Krampus but still would love to have one of these and then make my Krampus a SS.

    Given the price of the complete--$1499--who would buy a Pugsley. Or even Moonlander?
    All good expeditions should be simple in concept, difficult in their execution and satisfying to remember--Alastair Humphreys

  37. #37
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    875
    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    who would buy a Pugsley. Or even Moonlander?
    I think Pugs is still the tinkerer's choice since you can build it up with old 135mm hubs and whatever else you have laying around. Also, the ability of Pugs to use the front wheel as an emergency fixed gear drive still has value for the extreme adventure set. I could see Surly dropping it to frame-only, like the 1x1.
    Surly Cross Check: fat tire roadie
    Surly LHT: Kid hauler
    On One Inbred: SS 26er

  38. #38
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dfltroll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,205
    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd View Post
    I think Pugs is still the tinkerer's choice since you can build it up with old 135mm hubs and whatever else you have laying around. Also, the ability of Pugs to use the front wheel as an emergency fixed gear drive still has value for the extreme adventure set. I could see Surly dropping it to frame-only, like the 1x1.
    You know, I've had a slow day here at work and a fair amount of time to putz around on the Internet. I tend to agree with you. I've said it multiple times but the $275 price for a Pugs frame is mighty tempting. And as you point out, building it up with the offset fork is nice. 135mm Deore hubs are certainly cheaper than the hubs you'd need to build up a wheelset for the Wednesday.
    All good expeditions should be simple in concept, difficult in their execution and satisfying to remember--Alastair Humphreys

  39. #39
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    It's either Surly don't want to over-commit or just playing safe on something not within the original intention of the bike.

    another example is the disk trucker, it has now a mounting hole for a Rohloff but it is not mentioned on their website...
    Sure, but Salsa is now listing all possible options with their bikes. Kinda handy and it seems easy enough.

    Why not mention what could be a big selling point?

  40. #40
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    344
    some/lots more info on the wedneday:

    WEDNESDAY FAQ | Blog | Surly Bikes

    some highlights:

    Why the 4.6" tire clearance rating?

    4.6” is the biggest tire we could fit with legal clearance on an 80mm rim with a 100mm threaded shell and 177mm rear spacing at a tasty chainstay length. And 4.6” tires happen to kick ass. Win!

    What’s up with that new dropout? Still with the Track Ends???

    It’s a horizontal dropout designed around a 12mm through axle hub. At first glance it looks like a thru-axle version of the Karate Monkey dropout. But if you can get a better look at it, you’ll see an additional hub slot that lets you dump your wheel out vertically once your axle is removed.

    Why a 468mm rigid fork length?

    The 468mm rigid fork length was chosen because it was a little bit shorter than the 100mm suspension fork the bike was designed around. This difference in fork length allows the Wednesday to ride totally kick ass as a rigid bike OR with a 100mm suspension fork.

    What's up with these new tubeless My Other Brother Daryl Rims?

    These are our new 80mm-wide tubeless compatible rims. What makes them tubeless compatible? Well, lots of things! But mainly the bead hook is optimized to work with tubeless tires and the rim valley depth is much shallower to ease initial tire inflation. To all of you early tubeless adaptors: Our hats go off to you! We know how much messing around you had to do to get those old rims to seal up. These will work much better.

    This bike is cheaper than your other fatbikes. How did you cut the cost?

    Parts Spec: Quality fatbike parts are cheaper than they used to be. We tried everything out there and found out what works. We’ve spent a lot of time on this build kit and know it’s a great value-level kit that will last a long time.

    Frame design: This frame is still hand welded by the same people who’ve always made our frames, but over the years they’ve gotten better and so have we. We’ve learned what is awesome on paper but a pain in the ass for them drives the frame price up, so we found cheaper ways to offer similar versatility. The Wednesday frame is easier to miter, fixture, weld, align, and paint than any other fatbike frame we’ve made and the price reflects that Make no mistake - this frame is every bit as tough (if not tougher) than our other frames. It offers insane versatility and should last you a long way down that dusty, snowy trail. And it's designed well enough that you should want to keep it that long, too.

  41. #41
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    Curious, why this statement? The difference is 20mm, which adds up to about 1 degree less head tube angle. I can't imagine a frame (any frame, not just one made by Surly) undergoing catastrophic failure just by running the head tube 1 degree slacker than originally designed. The reason really has to do with operating the bike within the tested boundaries??

    "Can I run a 120mm sus fork?

    Sounds rad, right? But NO. You’ll shoot your eye out with that thing. The Wednesday frame was designed for and has passed all compliance testing at 100mm fork length, and anything longer than that is putting your warranty AND your face in jeopardy."

    WEDNESDAY FAQ | Blog | Surly Bikes

  42. #42
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    162
    People have been putting longer forks on XC bikes for years, some snapped others didnt. It can add quite a bit of leverage so not entirely insignificant, however given they dont tell you a max A-C length 20mm is probably within tolerance.

    The testing is a legal requirement these days, they would have tested with 100mm, the frame might pass with longer fork but they havnt tested it so cannot be seen to recommend it (even Surly with their casual attitude cant go there!)
    I own a Surly, a Surly, a Surly and a Salsa. Probably some others in there too at the bottom of the pile.

  43. #43
    banned
    Reputation: awai04's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,167
    Sure, understood. Off label use though...

    My past experiences with bikes I've had that saw heavy mtbr commentary about front suspension travel had more to do with adjusting head tube angle than the actual travel change itself. That was almost a decade ago. The current generation hopefully has HA adjusted more towards the intended purpose. That said, the tendency still has been to go slacker and wider, even today. Not saying that the Wednesday has to fulfill that desire, but you know folks are going to try!

  44. #44
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    248
    I am hoping that clearance for 4.6" tires means that I can slap my Lou on the back of Wednesday, with stock Wednesday wheel, is that a safe bet, does it just go without saying (and that's why they're not saying it)? For that matter, Bud in front?

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    68
    Quote Originally Posted by ETChipotle View Post
    I am hoping that clearance for 4.6" tires means that I can slap my Lou on the back of Wednesday, with stock Wednesday wheel, is that a safe bet, does it just go without saying (and that's why they're not saying it)? For that matter, Bud in front?
    Not sure if Lou will fit in the back but I'd be interested to know for sure too.. Have a look at this shot from Bike Rumor. The Wednesday looks like a winner to me

    https://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netd...at-bike_-6.jpg

  46. #46
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Jake January's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    195
    Quote Originally Posted by watts888 View Post
    I cannot see a bike called the "Gomez" though.
    I think I might rename my khakipants LHT, Gomez.

  47. #47
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Tincup69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    497
    Any idea of the weight?
    2016 Trek Farley 7
    2019 Salsa Journeyman Apex 650B
    2014 Trek Fuel EX8

  48. #48
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    344
    if you look at the numbers, even a 100mm travel bluto on the wednesday is going to be significantly altering the bikes geometry and ride

    the stock rigid fork a 468mm long, whereas a bluto at 100mm travel is 511, or 491 with 20% sag - that's still an inch longer. run 120mm bluto and the bike's bb is going to be up around your ears.

    thought surly states it was built around a 100mm travel suspension fork, by the numbers the wednesday seems like a better match for an 80mm fork, which is disappointing (for me). maybe they received feedback that the ict was too slack and low to be tourable, and they were indeed looking to split the difference between it and the pugsley, but i wish this bike had been based off that bike's geometry

    Quote Originally Posted by Tincup69 View Post
    Any idea of the weight?
    framset is a full pound lighter than the ict, and the wheels should knock off a few more grams... no release figures for the whole bike, though

  49. #49
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,120
    Question cross post from the other Wednesday thread (http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/day...-986718-8.html)

    So here's where I'm torn... (and why not solicit free, biased opinions on the interwebz to help me?!)

    I want another 'trail' hardtail.
    I want it to be steel.

    Some days I want a B+ hardtail so I can have a steel HT to dink around with on smoother trails or when I'm riding with my wife.

    I used to think I really wanted a fat bike.

    Then I owned a Framed MN 2.0 for about 6 weeks and it didn't do much for me. Mainly because it was heavy and boring (handling wise). It had a short cockpit and required a super long stem. It had a crap build kit. Oh, and it had Vee Missions Fr/Rr, which pretty much sucked everywhere. I was happy when it sold.

    Last winter I demoed a rigid Mukluk for a day and it didn't do much for me. But we were on a FS road in kinda loose, kinda crappy snow. The day was a slow, painful slog fest of riding on snowmobile trails and FS roads. The bike had Nates fr/rr and it was slow and heavy. We had about 1-2 miles (max) of 'trail' at the end, but by that point, I was done.

    But, to get back to today, I want a crappy weather/4 season bike. And I want a trail, steel HT for mixing up in the summer time (and I like having two bikes). We're not getting ski passes this year, so I won't be skiing as much, so I hope to be able to ride more on Sundays.

    Denver/Golden's trails don't hold much snow. To get to actual 'snow' rides, you usually have to go about an hour west (or more). You can ride normal rides on a trail bike, but when we do get snow, it gets packed into an icy, white ribbon of death that doesn't melt till spring.

    If I bought a Wednesday, it would primarily be ridden as a 2.8" B+ bike. I would build up a 2nd set of wheels with 4" tires for snow usage.

    So, I guess to make this question short:

    Do you think the Wednesday would be a fun, steel, 2.8" B+ trail bike (that could also be used as a fat bike when conditions warrant?)

    Surly seems to market it as such, but then says you'll die a fiery death if you run a 120mm fork on it.

    Honestly, I'm not looking to jump it hard. I'm looking for a fun bike that can be ridden over rougher XC trails, with rocks and roots and maybe 1-3' drops/water bars/rocks from time to time.

    (I used to ride the terrain that I described above, on a Giant Anthem 29er. It was fun, but I felt like it was going to break under aggressive riding... so I sold it.)
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  50. #50
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    344
    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Do you think the Wednesday would be a fun, steel, 2.8" B+ trail bike (that could also be used as a fat bike when conditions warrant?)
    in most of the the bc interior, sure. i rode my hardtail this summer in fernie, the okanagan, revy, etc. and never felt outgunned

    on the shore or other bc areas with realy technical riding, sadly, no. i feel like 100 travel is the least one could get away with, even on a steel fatbike, and as i posted earlier i think that much travel would compromise the wednesday's already not-totally-optimal numbers.

  51. #51
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    344
    i'm confused. everything i've seen from surly so far speaks to a 69* HTA

    but two recently released pieces present different numbers:

    this guys says the HTA is 68.5*

    while bikeradar lauds its relaxed 68* HTA

    sloppy "journalism"?

    from surly. clarifies thing somewhat. and the bb numbers with bluto don't look too bad there...

    Today is WEDNESDAY!-surly_wednesday_geo_comparison.jpg
    Last edited by boomforeal; 10-02-2015 at 10:14 AM.

  52. #52
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Lordie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    171
    guys seriously looking to swap my on-one fatty to this qns is does it for a 29+ with the chainstay pull to the max it says it does fit a 4.7 on a 80mm.

  53. #53
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    297
    Somebody should have this bike soon...didn't Surly say mid-October?

  54. #54
    mtbr member
    Reputation: andrwplsn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    125
    Late October - Early November

  55. #55
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    147
    Just because this thread reminded me - would someone want to help explain, to the non-technically-inclined, what the differences are between all the various fatbike frames Surly is now offering? Geometry in terms of numbers of degrees is pretty much meaningless to me and so are variations on hub width, to say nothing of all the other details.

    They've got 4 frames available now and I keep wondering - why so many? Other than some allowing wider tires, what's the actual difference in how they ride?

    FWIW I've got an older model Pugsley and used to have a Troll, so comparisons to those bikes are handy!
    www.julianbender.net

    Pictures of bike trips, hikes, and other travels

  56. #56
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cassa89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    672
    Honestly, they're all bikes and are fun to ride. Some (Moonlander and ICT) take fatter tires than the others, and others (Pugsley) are more versatile and can accommodate different builds the others can't. Some (ICT and Wednesday) have newer designs that make them a bit easier to control, and more capable for trail riding.

    I think we - the bike community - can get too detail oriented at times. They're all awesome bikes that take fat tires and have bulletproof steel frames.

  57. #57
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    147
    Ah yeah, I remember how the Pugsley is set up to be extra-adaptable in terms of parts. I guess what I don't get is why there are three different models geared toward the fattest tires possible - what's really the difference, other than to broaden the market appeal through wide selection?
    www.julianbender.net

    Pictures of bike trips, hikes, and other travels

  58. #58
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Once they are available I'd be happy to buy someones stock fork. Hoping to put one on my ECR, still with 29+, but with a thru-axle and wider hub.

    Remember, sell me your stock Wednesday fork.

  59. #59
    Baby Bear is in the house
    Reputation: r1Gel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,026
    Anybody got info on the complete bike weight, please post here ASAP

    TIA
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

  60. #60
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    I think frame/fork weight was posted on the Surly Blog. That is a good start.

  61. #61
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    31
    I don't build bikes for a living, so I'm not debating the value, but why the difference in price between the Wed. and the ICT? The frame is *basically* the same, both steel and that's the biggest difference normally... alloy vs carbon for example. But here, apples are truly apples. It sounds like Surly has streamlined the production process of the Wed., but does that account for the difference? I feel like I'm missing something.
    Last edited by Nathan Otis; 10-21-2015 at 07:18 AM. Reason: spelling is hard.

  62. #62
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Frame only prices are not that different. Heard one of the Surly dudes mention that the ICT has more "fluting" and the WED. is a bit more basic straight tubes.

  63. #63
    Baby Bear is in the house
    Reputation: r1Gel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,026
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    I think frame/fork weight was posted on the Surly Blog. That is a good start.
    I've seen that, thanks.

    I don't have the stock weights of the other two bikes so can't use those as a reference. Was hoping somebody (e.g., bike shop/dealer) already had one and could weigh it.

    I'm really digging this bike.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

  64. #64
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    31
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Frame only prices are not that different. Heard one of the Surly dudes mention that the ICT has more "fluting" and the WED. is a bit more basic straight tubes.
    So it's truly more about how it's kitted out than the frame itself. I gotcha.

  65. #65
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    I've seen that, thanks.

    I don't have the stock weights of the other two bikes so can't use those as a reference. Was hoping somebody (e.g., bike shop/dealer) already had one and could weigh it.

    I'm really digging this bike.

    If you are indeed digging it and you know the frame weight I'd say good enough. No need to weigh anything more.

  66. #66
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    496
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Otis View Post
    So it's truly more about how it's kitted out than the frame itself. I gotcha.
    Not quite. I'd say not even close given that on spec they are completely different platforms, but for one, just look at the rear dropouts. Modular chip vs. regular Surly track drop.

    There also is more to that ICT frameset than just a bit of fluting.

  67. #67
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    ICT frame is more expensive due to a variety things but the dangly bits (shifters/brakes/etc) make up a good bit of difference in the completes. That was my point.

    175 dollars difference in frame price. 900 dollar difference in price for complete.

    Fluting was the example Surly gave, I passed it along in place of a thorough rundown of frames because it is easier.

    Broke my toe yesterday so I'm cranky. Should be riding again next week.

  68. #68
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    31
    Quote Originally Posted by frozenmonkey View Post
    Not quite. ... There also is more to that ICT frameset than just a bit of fluting.
    Care to expand on that, or is it more of a ride-it-and-you'll-see situation?

  69. #69
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    496
    I believe the ICT is also triple-butted. Had one for a bit, and from the bottom bracket on up it's built like a tank, with stays optimized very nicely for maximum 5" tire clearance and a stiff, short rear. As far as ride feel, it felt like a rock compared to my Pugsley. All for good, and I think the Pug rides nice. ICT geo is great. Functionality is great.

    I think there's ~1.5# diff between the two framesets and also 170 vs 190 q-factor to consider. Wednesday has internal dropper routing and mebbe more braze ons or some other extra voodoo.

  70. #70
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    For my money I'm going with the Prince Wednesday. Threaded bb, smaller q factor, cool "new" dropouts, braze-ons. Seems to find the middle ground between Pugs and ICT according to all the info on Surly's blog.

    I'll be going SS and adding a 29+ wheelset to the mix. That along with my geared ECR and I'll be set. Got my Larry vs Harry for road/town duty.

    Toe is feeling better.

  71. #71
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ryguy79's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,804
    I've admired Surly for a long time and have a feeling my next bike will be a Wednesday. Just wish there were some decent reviews out there and I hope the local Surly dealer will have some for demo soon. I ride year round in Colorado Springs on skinny bikes but I'm looking forward to being less limited during and right after storms and having more grip on packed trails. I demoed a Moonlander on packed snow last year (wanted to try the ICT but they were all out) but was wishing for a little more relaxed geo and lighter weight the whole time. I think the Wednesday will fit the bill without making my wife freak out about the price for a 3rd bike.

  72. #72
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Even with my 29+ I've removed lots of limitations. Not necessarily storm related but I now ride anywhere I want. Open desert, slick rock, dry washes, rocky peaks it all rideable. Singletrack is used as a fun bit on the way out of town.

    Wed won't be a lot lighter than the Moonie but the geo should be what you want.

    Looks like we'll be getting reviews soon. Might have bikes hitting the dirt next week.

    Remember to sell me your stock fork.

  73. #73
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ryguy79's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,804
    Seems like it would have noticeably less rotating weight even if not a lot lighter overall.

  74. #74
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Potentially less rotating weight for sure. The MyOBD rims are 270 grams lighter than the Moonie and no split tube needed. That weight difference is almost erased by the massively heavy 27tpi Nates that are stock on the Wed. Once those wear out (or are given to a less fortunate person) and are replaced by a lighter tires you'd be rockin.

    Maybe a touch lighter for the frame but not likely enough to matter.

  75. #75
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dfltroll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,205
    Looks like Wednesday has arrived.

    Blog | Surly Bikes
    All good expeditions should be simple in concept, difficult in their execution and satisfying to remember--Alastair Humphreys

  76. #76
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ryguy79's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,804
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Potentially less rotating weight for sure. The MyOBD rims are 270 grams lighter than the Moonie and no split tube needed. That weight difference is almost erased by the massively heavy 27tpi Nates that are stock on the Wed. Once those wear out (or are given to a less fortunate person) and are replaced by a lighter tires you'd be rockin.

    Maybe a touch lighter for the frame but not likely enough to matter.
    Gotcha, I hadn't looked at the tire weights.

  77. #77
    mtbr member
    Reputation: backcountryeti's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    642
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    For my money I'm going with the Prince Wednesday.
    Nice Mr. Rogers/Daniel Tiger reference.

    Excited to see these bikes start to pop up on the forums.

  78. #78
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    102
    Surly reports they are shipping complete bikes. Anyone got one coming?
    Would love to hear comments.

  79. #79
    Did I catch a niner+?
    Reputation: Mr Pink57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    2,955
    Poked around at a couple on Saturday. One of my local shops had three in stock and they are all sold already, all had sold tags. I was looking at them while getting my new pugsley's steerer tube cut.
    Last edited by Mr Pink57; 10-28-2015 at 06:53 AM.
    Mr. Krabs: Is it true, Squidward? Is it hilarious?

  80. #80
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    I've got more. "you gotta find a way to help...each other"

    So remember I'd happily purchase a stock Wed. fork from the first sucker you gets a Bluetoe.

  81. #81
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    399
    Thinking of pulling the trigger on this or SS Pug tomorrow. Can't decide. I'd add a drivetrain to SS for worst of winter. Possibly add a Heller fork to Wednesday (Matterhorn FYI).

  82. #82
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ryguy79's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,804
    Well, I got a deal on a lightly used ICT that I could not refuse, so no Wednesday for me.

  83. #83
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    89
    Can't wait to try one of these. Thinking I would use it more than the new Honzo I just bought.

  84. #84
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    306
    Being a True Blue Pug owner, I just don't like the sisified colors Surly is coming out with.
    I'd buy a Wed (or frame) if I could sell my Pug but I'd have to paint the damn thing.
    "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." -Mark Twain

  85. #85
    .44
    Reputation: stremf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    1,246
    Quote Originally Posted by Clobber View Post
    Thinking of pulling the trigger on this or SS Pug tomorrow. Can't decide. I'd add a drivetrain to SS for worst of winter. Possibly add a Heller fork to Wednesday (Matterhorn FYI).
    If you want to ride this winter, the choice is clear.

  86. #86
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    399
    Went to LBS on Wednesday & the Wednesday is already sold out. Ordered the SS Pug.

  87. #87
    CS2
    CS2 is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: CS2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    2,942
    Quote Originally Posted by Hodo View Post
    Surly reports they are shipping complete bikes. Anyone got one coming?
    Would love to hear comments.
    Don't have one but saw one in the flesh today. Very nice and typical quality Surly build. I also saw one of the Giant fat bikes. Not at all bad for $600.
    A garage full of steel frames means happiness.

  88. #88
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    283
    Does anyone know if a 27.5x4 wheel will fit in the Wednesday?

  89. #89
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    My frameset should be here Monday or Tuesday. Will be transferring parts from my Mukluk and should have it built up by Wednesday.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  90. #90
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    52
    Were you able to order a frameset? I heard frames were not available until the end of December.

  91. #91
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldens Lowe View Post
    Were you able to order a frameset? I heard frames were not available until the end of December.
    Correct, they won't be available until late December. I was lucky to get an early frameset since I work at a shop that sells a lot of Surly products. There are currently completes out in the wild at certain dealers as well, with more coming 12/4.

  92. #92
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    31
    Pictures!

  93. #93
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,120
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    should have it built up by Wednesday.
    Ha!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  94. #94
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    52
    Cool. I hope you'll build it up and give us a ride report. I just placed my order for a frameset - I hope to get it for Christmas!

    Here's my thought on the Wednesday. There has been a relative lack of standards for fatbikes in the early days but things are likely to settle out on a 190 (197) platform and a 170 platform. Riders may choose a platform based on a need for maximum float nor not.

    There seem to be a lot more options for 190 than 170 right now but I somehow suspect as the sector matures there will be more 170 options. The Wednesday may be leading the way. They're also putting a little "trail" into this bike with geometry, dropper routing, lighter rims, and a headtube and hubs that allow for a Bluto.

    The downside is that it will be a bit heavy compared to carbon options, but for the price and potential versatility, I'd like to find out what it can do.

    Of course, I could be wrong and please - nobody order one until I get mine.

  95. #95
    Trying to be helpful
    Reputation: Guy.Ford's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    2,544
    Something to keep in mind for anyone planning on ordering a Wednesday the seat tube measurement on surly's site is misleading. The measurement on the site is only from bb center to top tube so there is about 1.5" more to their measurement. So a large with a 18.3 seat tube is actually @ 19.8. Just thought it worth a mention.

    Edit: Seems what I was told my surly may not be completely true at least for the XL frame. Another mtbr member measured his XL at 20.5".
    Last edited by Guy.Ford; 11-29-2015 at 01:29 AM.
    #THELEGENDMTB
    2016 RSD Mayor
    2018 Diamondback Release 5CA

  96. #96
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,120
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy.Ford View Post
    Something to keep in mind for anyone planning on ordering a Wednesday the seat tube measurement on surly's site is misleading. The measurement on the site is only from bb center to top tube so there is about 1.5" more to their measurement. So a large with a 18.3 seat tube is actually @ 19.8. Just thought it worth a mention.
    This has bit me before on a Surly...
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  97. #97
    Did I catch a niner+?
    Reputation: Mr Pink57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    2,955
    One of the locals here sold his carbon beargrease to get a Wednesday. He just wanted it that bad. He is putting a set of Lamere rims on it that he had already owned, it will I imagine by the time he is done one of the lightest Wednesday's.
    Mr. Krabs: Is it true, Squidward? Is it hilarious?

  98. #98
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy.Ford View Post
    Something to keep in mind for anyone planning on ordering a Wednesday the seat tube measurement on surly's site is misleading. The measurement on the site is only from bb center to top tube so there is about 1.5" more to their measurement. So a large with a 18.3 seat tube is actually @ 19.8. Just thought it worth a mention.
    This was a frustrating part for me as well. The medium shows as a 16.3" seat tube and that wouldn't work for me. We'll see what it actually measures when it arrives...still waiting!
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  99. #99
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57 View Post
    One of the locals here sold his carbon beargrease to get a Wednesday. He just wanted it that bad. He is putting a set of Lamere rims on it that he had already owned, it will I imagine by the time he is done one of the lightest Wednesday's.
    No F's will be given about the weight of mine. I'm using the wheelset/drivetrain/cockpit from my Mukluk, which was at 28.9lbs with pedals. The Wednesday will also get a dropper post and Flow/DunderBeists instead of Bulldozers. I'd be happy with 33lbs or less, which seems reasonable.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  100. #100
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,120
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    No F's will be given about the weight of mine. I'm using the wheelset/drivetrain/cockpit from my Mukluk, which was at 28.9lbs with pedals. The Wednesday will also get a dropper post and Flow/DunderBeists instead of Bulldozers. I'd be happy with 33lbs or less, which seems reasonable.
    Highly recommend the 9point8 Fall Line dropper. Works down to -25F! No hydraulics to get all funky in cold weather.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  101. #101
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    I like the 9point8, and certainly want a cold-tolerant dropper, as I'm no stranger to -20F temps. I spoke with the 9point8 guys at interbike this year and they were incredibly friendly and knowledgable too. RaceFace and Easton just licensed that technology and will be releasing their version later this month.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  102. #102
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    52
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57 View Post
    One of the locals here sold his carbon beargrease to get a Wednesday. He just wanted it that bad. He is putting a set of Lamere rims on it that he had already owned, it will I imagine by the time he is done one of the lightest Wednesday's.
    So - can you tell us what your friend's impression of the Wednesday (or BG) that would make him ditch a carbon Beargrease?

  103. #103
    Did I catch a niner+?
    Reputation: Mr Pink57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    2,955
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldens Lowe View Post
    So - can you tell us what your friend's impression of the Wednesday (or BG) that would make him ditch a carbon Beargrease?
    I dont see him very often, but I will as soon as I do.
    Mr. Krabs: Is it true, Squidward? Is it hilarious?

  104. #104
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    52
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    No F's will be given about the weight of mine. I'm using the wheelset/drivetrain/cockpit from my Mukluk, which was at 28.9lbs with pedals. The Wednesday will also get a dropper post and Flow/DunderBeists instead of Bulldozers. I'd be happy with 33lbs or less, which seems reasonable.
    OK JAG, same question - what is compelling you to go from a Mukluk to a Wednesday?

    Sorry folks if I'm beating this to death. I have my reasons for an interest in the Wednesday, just curious why others are switching from fairly capable fatties.

  105. #105
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    31
    Also interested in these stories of switching. I'm looking to get into fat for the first time and I don't want to regret my decision 3 months down the road.

  106. #106
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldens Lowe View Post
    OK JAG, same question - what is compelling you to go from a Mukluk to a Wednesday?
    My reasons are stupid. The Mukluk was a great riding bike! Gobs of tire clearance, nice adjustability, bluto compatible, lots of braze-ons, etc. Not to mention the gold/orange color was gorgeous.

    So my stupid reasons are:

    1) even shorter chainstays!
    2) steel
    3) Surly (I have 3 others, Wednesday will be the 8th Surly I've owned)
    4) steel tubes will allow for a larger framebag.
    5) steel tubes will make it easier to get on my top tube mount hitch rack.The Mukluk beer can diameter tubes made for some wrangling and wrestling to get it on the rack.
    6) internal dropper routing
    7) 170mm rear/threaded bottom bracket. Mukluk had these too, so I'm simply swapping parts.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  107. #107
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Any spare stock Wednesday forks out there yet? I'm still looking to add some baby blue to my ECR.

  108. #108
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Any spare stock Wednesday forks out there yet? I'm still looking to add some baby blue to my ECR.
    The Wednesday fork is tapered and wouldn't fit your ECR. Your best bet is a Salsa Enabler fork and some spray paint for a baby blue fat fork.

  109. #109
    ssj
    ssj is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    7
    I'm a newbie on this forum. Anyways, I am waiting for a Wednesday. My friend has the gold mukluk as well and it too is nice. I don't really care for the looks of the new ones. I like the Wednesday because its a Surly (I have an Ogre now for last 5-6 years and it has been solid in all riding conditions), and I like the options for racks, fenders, rock shox bluto, tubeless rims, and its steel. I'll probably ride stock setup for this winter, but come spring/summer, switch the tires, and the brakes, and possibly a dropper post (I like the one posted above)
    So my question here to you all is about hydraulic brakes. Will shimano deore/slx hydros be a good choice? Even in winter?

  110. #110
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    That is surprising considering the ICT fork has a straight steerer tube. At least that is the case on the black aftermarket version.

    The website does say tapered straight leg but does not specifically mention the steerer.

    Not saying you are wrong but..... Anybody touched one to confirm either way?

  111. #111
    ssj
    ssj is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    7
    Just looking at Surly website the Wednesday is 44MM headtube and the the ECR is 1-1/8", if that helps.

  112. #112
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,120
    I bet the wednesday fork is a 1 1/8" straight steerer with a simple conversion crown race. The pics look like they're running an EC44 lower headset cup. It would make sense to do this, so you could swap the Bluto right in.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  113. #113
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    ^ I'd be pretty sure this is right. If not it would be a deviation from all their other products and they might have mentioned it on the blog when Wed. was unleashed.

    SO....lets get one on my ECR.

  114. #114
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    Any spare stock Wednesday forks out there yet? I'm still looking to add some baby blue to my ECR.
    My Wednesday will arrive today per the Tracking number, I'll confirm the steer tube taper later!

  115. #115
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    141
    Quote Originally Posted by ssj View Post
    Will shimano deore/slx hydros be a good choice? Even in winter?
    I am running XTR's on my ICT and in cold temps (-10°C and below) I do notice that the brakes tend to get sluggish in it's initial stroke. After the levers are pumped a few times the fluid warms up and you get better action. The brakes still work and I'm able to brake with confidence, just the feel at the lever is compromised.

    Shimano runs mineral oil which is affected more by cold weather compared to SRAM which uses DOT fluid and is more stable as temperatures drop.

    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    I bet the wednesday fork is a 1 1/8" straight steerer with a simple conversion crown race. The pics look like they're running an EC44 lower headset cup. It would make sense to do this, so you could swap the Bluto right in.
    I agree with this statement. Surly's page only says that the fork legs are tapered, nothing about the steerer tube. If the steerer tube was tapered I'm sure it would be mentioned.

    Also, the fork specs for both the ICT and the Wednesday are pretty much identical and the ICT uses a straight steerer.

  116. #116
    Did I catch a niner+?
    Reputation: Mr Pink57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    2,955
    Mr. Krabs: Is it true, Squidward? Is it hilarious?

  117. #117
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Well technically there's a taper to it, but it's not tapered. I need a reducer crown race before this beast can live!

  118. #118
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    31
    Anyone know if surly is offering alternate colors? I've got a pretty blue bike already!

  119. #119
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    I haven't heard of any official plans of alternate colors, but I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with an Ops version with a higher end build in a different color.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  120. #120
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    31
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    ... I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with an Ops version with a higher end build in a different color.
    How long is it (generally) between regular model release and ops model release? Do they have a predictable timeline? (What I know about Surly tells me, "probably not").

  121. #121
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Otis View Post
    How long is it (generally) between regular model release and ops model release? Do they have a predictable timeline? (What I know about Surly tells me, "probably not").
    Surly usually has a new release at Frostbike, QBP's annual winter expo in late January. Availability is anyone's guess.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  122. #122
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    139
    Anyone try to squeeze a Lou on the back of a Wednesday yet?
    Fixing bikes for a living in Montana

  123. #123
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Not that I've seen. I think it might fit, but may require mods to the chainline. Here's a Dunderbeist 4.6, tubeless, on 80mm Mulefut, all the way forward in the dropouts:
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  124. #124
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    I picked up a Wednesday yesterday. I was told by the shop that it was one of only a handful in western Canada, which makes me special. I rode most of the Tour Divide Route last summer (Canada to Boreas Pass) on a Salsa Fargo, but with my size (6'5", 260), I often wanted more float from the tires, so I sold the Fargo and ordered the Wednesday. I will probably build a 29+ wheelset to handle bikepacking duties, but maybe 26 x 3.0 Knards would be enough. We'll see.

    It was the price and simple spec that got me into this bike in particular. I'm a tinkerer and will probably replace many of the parts over the next year.

    My first impressions are entirely positive. I went for a pavement/rail trail/single-track ride yesterday and loved it. Fine on tarmac, excellent on the trail, and outstanding on the single track. I've been a gravel rider more than a mountain biker, but this bike had me looking for rocks and logs to ride over. At my size, even 29 x 2.4 tires can dig into ruts and crevices and cause problems. The Nates (11psi, front and back) gave me all kinds of confidence on terrain that would previously have given me pause.

    I'm on the west coast, and this is a big El Nino year, so that could mean lots of snow. Usually the snow here turns to slush pretty quickly, but there are plenty of logging roads and forest single-track out my back door that should be perfect for the Wednesday. If I take to the technical riding, I'll invest next year in a Bluto.

    Once question: I've always spent the money on good headsets for my bikes -- Cane Creek 40 is about the lowest quality I've run. The Wednesday came with a Cane Creek 10. Just wondering if anyone else would share my inclination to make that the first replacement?

    I don't much like the look of all those spacers in the pics, so I think I'll look for a Salsa Pro Moto 25* so I can cut the steerer down at least an inch. Possibly, however, a steep stem on a slack head tube will look equally stupid. The bike felt great in terms of fit. The ICT comes in a 22" Long, but the reach on the Wednesday is actually a bit longer.



    Last edited by JayCon; 11-22-2015 at 09:57 AM.

  125. #125
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    141
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Otis View Post
    Anyone know if surly is offering alternate colors? I've got a pretty blue bike already!
    According to Surly's site the Wednesday will be available in black as well.
    Wednesday | Bikes | Surly Bikes
    At the very bottom where it says Color they state "black".

  126. #126
    mtbr member
    Reputation: bubba13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,037
    Quote Originally Posted by wArden View Post
    According to Surly's site the Wednesday will be available in black as well.
    Wednesday | Bikes | Surly Bikes
    At the very bottom where it says Color they state "black".
    Wait till you see the blue in person, it is much nicer than pictures reveal. I got an hour long demo ride on a Wednesday and I can say I liked it more than all of the others I have tried with exception of the Blackborow.

    The Wednesday does not feel as harsh as a Muckluk or heavy like the ICT. With the 17.1 chain stay I expected the front of the bike to be easier to lift, but that was not the case. (stock build with 50mm of spacers under the bars) In comparison, the Kampus is much easier to lift the front. (with short stem/high rise bars)

    Steep traction limited climbing was quite good and the 2x gearing was perfect for this bike. Overall I would call the Wednesday a good platform to do what ever you want with it. These opinions come form a seasoned rider that does not and probably won't own a fat bike.
    Portland Off Road Navagators

  127. #127
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    141
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post
    I picked up a Wednesday yesterday...

    BTW, your Wednesday looks sweet!

  128. #128
    mtbr member
    Reputation: riverat's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    117
    Hey jaycon, which saddle is that? Looks real nice.

  129. #129
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    It's a Selle Anatomica NSX. I've tried it on a couple of bikes, with mixed results. It's an amazing saddle for an upright position. Absolutely perfect for the Wednesday with the bars set level -- not nearly as good (for me) in a lower position (on my Straggler or on the Fargo I rode last summer).

  130. #130
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    JayCon- How tall are you? I'm looking hard at the Wednesday but am worried it would be a bit small.

    Revelate Designs Mountain Feedbags are super handy and as an added bonus hide large stacks of spacers. My ECR looks normal at first glance, but the feedbags hide spacer mountain and a riser stem.

  131. #131
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    Matterhorn, I'm 6'5" with a 38" cycling inseam. The XL Fargo I rode on the GDMBR was a little small, in retrospect, even with the longer ramps of the Soma Gator bar I ran in place of the Woodchipper. The reach on the Wednesday is 5mm longer than the reach on the ICT 22Long, which is one of the reasons I felt confident ordering the Wednesday. I ride a 62cm Straggler, which also feels very good. I am at the far end of fit on these bikes, but when I rode a 24" Ogre -- another bike I looked at ahead of the GDMBR -- it felt too tall for any sort of technical riding.

    Today I put a Jones Loop Bar on the Wednesday and took it out for some single track. It felt great. I would have liked to be a little more forward for climbing the steepest hills (10.3%, according to my gps), but it felt very good in terms of control and weight distribution. I think I was in a very similar position to what I see Jeff Jones in in Jeff Jones: A Man and his Bikes.


  132. #132
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    Matterhorn, I responded yesterday, but I received a message that said the post had to be approved by a moderator, so another post may show up. I am 6'5", with a 38" PBH and a long torso. The Wednesday feels perfect to me. In retrospect, the XL Salsa Fargo I rode on the GDMBR last summer was not a great fit (and left me with some hand issues which are only now resolving). I live in a small market, and no one here will bring in XL or XXL bikes on spec, so I have to do my research. I looked at the ICT 22Long, but that frame would be overkill for my needs. In fact, the Weds is 5mm longer in reach than the 22L ICT.

    I don't know which ECR frame you ride, but when I tried a 24" Ogre -- another bike I looked at ahead of the GDMBR -- I felt like I was "on" the bike and way too high-up to face anything technical on the trail.

    For reference, I also ride a 62cm Surly Straggler (625mm ETT), which feels great. I'm pretty stretched-out on that bike, but I can ride it all day.

    Yesterday, I dug some Jones loop bars out of my parts bin and put those on the Wednesday. I'm pretty sure I was in the same position on the bike as Jeff Jones is in the video Jeff Jones: A Man and His Bikes. I rode about 5 miles of single track in the afternoon and absolutely loved it. On one very steep little climb (probably 100 yards at close to 15%), I felt like I wanted to be just a little more forward on the bike, but that may not have been a productive inclination. Any more forward and I may well have lost traction in the rear. In terms of comfort and control, everything felt great. If I stick with the Jones Loop, I may experiment with stem length.

    Thanks for the advice about the feed bags for hiding shameful stem issues!

  133. #133
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Thanks JayCon for a great response. I know sizing is tricky but having a detailed account of your bike fit across different bikes is very helpful.

    I'm thinking the Wednesday is the ticket for me. I'm also planning to go with a Jones bar.

  134. #134
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    I think I just achieved perfection. Got up early and swapped the 100mm stock stem for the Thompson X4 120mm on the Straggler. With the big sweep-back on the Jones, I think this puts me in an absolutely perfect position. Don't think I've ever felt that good on a bike. Obviously, 120 is huge for a mtb, but with the Jones and my height, I think it's just right. The bike was specced, as I understand it, to keep you behind the front wheel rather than on top of it. The 120 stem and the jones bar still puts my hands behind the stock position, more or less even with the stem.

  135. #135
    Trying to be helpful
    Reputation: Guy.Ford's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    2,544
    Would someone who rides an XL please measure the seat tube from bottom bracket center to top of seat tube? Trying to figure if I can run a 5" dropper or if I'd need to order a Large. Thank you.
    Last edited by Guy.Ford; 11-27-2015 at 12:47 AM.
    #THELEGENDMTB
    2016 RSD Mayor
    2018 Diamondback Release 5CA

  136. #136
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    Guy.Ford, that measurement on my XL frame is 20.5 inches -- centre of BB to top of seat collar.

  137. #137
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,120
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy.Ford View Post
    Would someone who rides an XL please measure the seat tube from bottom bracket center to top of seat tube? Trying to figure if I can run a 5" dropper or if I'd need to order a Large. Thank you.
    Highly recommend the 9point8 Fall Line dropper. Mine worked great in 18F weather yesterday. Can't say the same for a Reverb and LEV.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  138. #138
    Trying to be helpful
    Reputation: Guy.Ford's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    2,544
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post
    Guy.Ford, that measurement on my XL frame is 20.5 inches -- centre of BB to top of seat collar.
    Thank you very much.

  139. #139
    mtbr member
    Reputation: volksbike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Posts
    373
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post
    Guy.Ford, that measurement on my XL frame is 20.5 inches -- centre of BB to top of seat collar.
    Dang it...from your detailed description(s), the Wednesday XL frame looks slightly too small for me.

    JayCon it looks like you have at least 8-9" of seat post showing, it there room for any more ?

    I'm 6`7" with a PBH of 39.5" - the fat aluminum XL frame I am riding now has a 22.5" BB center to top of seat post clamp- with about 8" of seat post showing. I also ride an Ogre 24" 29er set up for touring and it is pretty comfortable for me for the road and gravel.

    I really like Surly and was hoping for the XXL version of the Wednesday frame- probably not a big seller for them. I hear you about doing your own research on tall frames, thanks for the info.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Today is WEDNESDAY!-imag0554.jpg  

    Today is WEDNESDAY!-img_0876.jpg  

    Last edited by volksbike; 11-27-2015 at 11:46 PM.
    ====================
    GBM, Pugley & 9:ZERO:7 :cool:
    Surly Ogre Rigid 29er - RAGBRAI 2013
    TREK Alum Hardtail 29er - Recon Fork

  140. #140
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,120
    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    The Wednesday does not feel as harsh as a Muckluk or heavy like the ICT.

    Overall I would call the Wednesday a good platform to do what ever you want with it. These opinions come form a seasoned rider that does not and probably won't own a fat bike.
    Probably won't own? Just riding the Wednesday to scratch that itch?

    Fawk the Wednesday sounds like a fun bike. It's really the first fatbike I've ever been excited about.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  141. #141
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Finished mine up today, I tell ya it's been torture having this thing 99% complete and hanging from a repair stand for a week! Got it buttoned up and tuned then rode around the shop parking lot a few times. It felt great, the fit is perfect and the ride is comfortable. Got it home and took off for the trails. Did a couple laps in the dirt then went home.

    I'll wait a while before posting a full review, but hot damn this bike just plain rips! I'm really impressed with how this thing handles.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  142. #142
    mtbr member
    Reputation: volksbike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Posts
    373
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    Finished mine up today, I tell ya it's been torture having this thing 99% complete and hanging from a repair stand for a week! Got it buttoned up and tuned then rode around the shop parking lot a few times. It felt great, the fit is perfect and the ride is comfortable. Got it home and took off for the trails. Did a couple laps in the dirt then went home.
    Beautiful build, plenty of room for those 45N's.

    Looks like the dropper post gives you several extra inches of height above the seat clamp. I'll have to check those out...Is it cable actuated by a lever on the bars?
    ====================
    GBM, Pugley & 9:ZERO:7 :cool:
    Surly Ogre Rigid 29er - RAGBRAI 2013
    TREK Alum Hardtail 29er - Recon Fork

  143. #143
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by volksbike View Post
    Beautiful build, plenty of room for those 45N's.

    Looks like the dropper post gives you several extra inches of height above the seat clamp. I'll have to check those out...Is it cable actuated by a lever on the bars?
    This dropper (RockShox Reverb) is hydraulic, and runs a hose to a lever on the bars. Other models are cable activated. This one is temporary, as it's the only 30.9 post I had laying around. I've ordered a Thomson to replace it. Once the new cable activated RaceFace dropper comes out, I'll replace the Thomson with that. The hydraulic post like I have do not do well in the cold temps. Cable ones will do much better below freezing.

    While normally used for summer mountain biking, I think a dropper would be great for snowy conditions when getting on the bike and starting from a stop are sometimes challenging!
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  144. #144
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,120
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    The hydraulic post like I have do not do well in the cold temps. Cable ones will do much better below freezing.
    KS Lev is about as slow as a Reverb in cold temps. I believe it's the internal hydraulics that slow them down.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    Once the new cable activated RaceFace dropper comes out, I'll replace the Thomson with that.
    Highly recommend the 9point8 Fall Line dropper. Same internals as the RaceFace/Easton post and $100 cheaper

    They say they've tested it to -25F... I personally have used it in 15F weather and it worked just fine.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  145. #145
    mtbr member
    Reputation: riverat's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    117
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post
    It's a Selle Anatomica NSX. I've tried it on a couple of bikes, with mixed results. It's an amazing saddle for an upright position. Absolutely perfect for the Wednesday with the bars set level -- not nearly as good (for me) in a lower position (on my Straggler or on the Fargo I rode last summer).
    Thanks, i'm looking for a leather saddle that's not too heavy wondering between this one or a brooks swift. if anyone else has recommendations that'd be cool!

  146. #146
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by riverat View Post
    Thanks, i'm looking for a leather saddle that's not too heavy wondering between this one or a brooks swift. if anyone else has recommendations that'd be cool!
    This is a good weekend to decide. I've tried Brooks B17, B17 Imperial, Swift, Cambium, and Flyer. I've also put a couple thousand miles on Selle Anatomica X saddles. The Selle is my favorite, and they are on Black Friday sale, so just buy one!

    Black Friday Blowout - Selle Anatomica
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  147. #147
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    Quote Originally Posted by volksbike View Post
    Dang it...from your detailed description(s), the Wednesday XL frame looks slightly too small for me.

    JayCon it looks like you have at least 8-9" of seat post showing, it there room for any more ?

    I'm 6`7" with a PBH of 39.5" - the fat aluminum XL frame I am riding now has a 22.5" BB center to top of seat post clamp- with about 8" of seat post showing. I also ride an Ogre 24" 29er set up for touring and it is pretty comfortable for me for the road and gravel.

    I really like Surly and was hoping for the XXL version of the Wednesday frame- probably not a big seller for them. I hear you about doing your own research on tall frames, thanks for the info.
    With that inseam, you might have some troubles with fit -- specifically with knee-over-axle -- but I don't suppose you'll know until you can throw a leg over one.

  148. #148
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    36
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    This dropper (RockShox Reverb) is hydraulic, and runs a hose to a lever on the bars. Other models are cable activated. This one is temporary, as it's the only 30.9 post I had laying around. I've ordered a Thomson to replace it. Once the new cable activated RaceFace dropper comes out, I'll replace the Thomson with that. The hydraulic post like I have do not do well in the cold temps. Cable ones will do much better below freezing.

    While normally used for summer mountain biking, I think a dropper would be great for snowy conditions when getting on the bike and starting from a stop are sometimes challenging!
    I run a Thomson dropper on my Salsa Spearfish. It blocked with only -4 degrees.... Had to pedal back home with bended knees...

  149. #149
    mtbr member
    Reputation: volksbike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Posts
    373
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post
    With that inseam, you might have some troubles with fit -- specifically with knee-over-axle -- but I don't suppose you'll know until you can throw a leg over one.
    Thanks, good advice- it looks like it comes with a 410mm seat post, does yours have any height left?
    ====================
    GBM, Pugley & 9:ZERO:7 :cool:
    Surly Ogre Rigid 29er - RAGBRAI 2013
    TREK Alum Hardtail 29er - Recon Fork

  150. #150
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    Mine's out 11 1/8 inches (283mm), with about an inch left to play with.

  151. #151
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    I've been experimenting with the setup of this bike. I had the Jones bar and longer stem on for a few days, then went back to the Fubar for comparison. Initially the hand position felt narrow on the 710 Jones (780 Fubar), and the body position felt more upright. With the longer stem and the Jones, though, the position is very close and the hand/wrist angle is much more comfortable. I rode gravel, pavement, and singletrack with the Jones and will ride some singletrack with the fubar tomorrow. At this point, I suspect I'll go back to the Jones Loop with a longer stem.


  152. #152
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    30
    Looking at JAGI410's Surly, I would say 4.8 Surly Lou would fit there when the axel is at rear position. What you think?
    Running with 1x10 would at least clear the chainrub issue if there is any.
    For me putting 4.8" Surly tires is a major thing when choosing between Wednesday and ICT. If 4.8" tyres would fit Wednesday, it would be leading on my list.

  153. #153
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    I'd say a Lou is worth the experiment. It'll likely fit, but chain rub will be the main issue. My Dunderbeist on an 80mm all the forward in the drops is about 2mm from touching the chain in the 30-36 combo. Flipping the chainring or moving BB spacers would get me a few more.

  154. #154
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    297
    Anybody got an idea on what the Wednesday is weighing in at?

  155. #155
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    344
    Quote Originally Posted by NDTransplant View Post
    Anybody got an idea on what the Wednesday is weighing in at?
    more importantly, anybody have time on one with a bluto yet?

  156. #156
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    i haven't seen one weighed yet, nor have I been all that curious. It's lighter than an ICT by far and doesn't feel heavy while riding at all. It's heavier than my Mukluk was, but it rides much better!

  157. #157
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    297
    You're crediting the better ride to the steel frame vs aluminum? (I really enjoy the steel frame of my Salsa Fargo)

  158. #158
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    The longer/lower front end with the shorter rear geometry is what I think makes it handle better. The fact that it's steel is just a bonus!

  159. #159
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    31
    Geo makes it handle. Steel makes it smooth.

  160. #160
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    297
    Thanks for the responses, guys!

  161. #161
    mtbr member
    Reputation: corwin1968's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    286
    Can someone who has a medium Wednesday measure the seat-tube from center of bottom bracket to the top of the seat-tube (ie, the standard way, rather than Surly's method)?

    Thanks!

  162. #162
    mtbr member
    Reputation: bubba13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,037
    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Probably won't own? Just riding the Wednesday to scratch that itch?
    I wanted to try the Wednesday to see how it would compare to the Krampus I just sold. For some reason I keep dipping my toes into the fatbike pool even though I have no real need for one. I still love the simplicity of a hard tail, but need more cushion to quell numerous back issues.

    It is possible that the heavy stock Surly tires and tubes have influenced my impressions to a fault. The only fat bike I have ridden that felt quick was a stock Beargrease with 45north tires. A Wednesday with a proper set of tubeless tires and a suspension fork may have given me a better opinion.
    Portland Off Road Navagators

  163. #163
    Trying to be helpful
    Reputation: Guy.Ford's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    2,544
    Quote Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
    Can someone who has a medium Wednesday measure the seat-tube from center of bottom bracket to the top of the seat-tube (ie, the standard way, rather than Surly's method)?

    Thanks!
    Same for anyone with a Large please. Thanks

  164. #164
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
    Can someone who has a medium Wednesday measure the seat-tube from center of bottom bracket to the top of the seat-tube (ie, the standard way, rather than Surly's method)?

    Thanks!
    The medium measures 16.5"/42cm from center of BB to top of seat tube. Pretty short for a medium, but it seems to work. Since the frame was designed with dropper posts in mind, the shorter seat tube allows for better use of a full range dropper.

    That said, I would absolutely ignore seat tube length when sizing yourself to a Wednesday. Look at Stack and Reach, and compare those numbers to a bike you're currently comfortable on.
    Last edited by JAGI410; 12-02-2015 at 09:49 PM.

  165. #165
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Winter battle mode
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  166. #166
    mtbr member
    Reputation: vikb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    13,940
    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    I wanted to try the Wednesday to see how it would compare to the Krampus I just sold. For some reason I keep dipping my toes into the fatbike pool even though I have no real need for one. I still love the simplicity of a hard tail, but need more cushion to quell numerous back issues.

    It is possible that the heavy stock Surly tires and tubes have influenced my impressions to a fault. The only fat bike I have ridden that felt quick was a stock Beargrease with 45north tires. A Wednesday with a proper set of tubeless tires and a suspension fork may have given me a better opinion.
    There is no replacement for quality suspension. Big tires are way nicer than skinny ones, but 4" of suspension is going to kill a 4" tire on a rigid bike for comfort.

    The good thing is that you don't have to choose. You can get 27+/29+ and fat bikes with rear suspension now. I ride year round in the PNWet on FS bikes and the suspension itself takes very little maintenance.

    After a typical winter of riding here I:

    - get the shock serviced [$75]
    - check the suspension bearings [$50 every other year]

    That's it and $100 extra maintenance for the comfort and traction of the FS bike is well worth it.

    This year I added a rear fender and splash guard to my FS winter bike so I suspect the need for maintenance just went down a whole lot.

    As to your other question. Surly 27 tpi tires + tubes are horrible. Buy quality 120tpi tires and set your bike up tubeless. You will be much happier whether it's a hardtail/FS skinny tire/27+/29+ or fatty.
    Safe riding,

    Vik
    www.vikapproved.com

  167. #167
    mtbr member
    Reputation: vikb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    13,940
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post
    I picked up a Wednesday yesterday.
    Great looking bike.

    I'm enjoying checking out all the sweet builds.

    I'm fat free at the moment, but I'm hoping to be getting back to Baja more regularly and when that happens I'll need an affordable fatty. So far the Wed is at the top of my list.
    Safe riding,

    Vik
    www.vikapproved.com

  168. #168
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    Thanks, Vik. I'm not far from you (up in Shawnigan). I take your point about the Surly 27 tpi tires and tubes. I've ordered a set of Panaracer Fat B Nimbles (120 tpi) and plan to set them up tubeless, but I'm worried that they'll come in a little narrow. We'll see. For the winter, I may just see how the Nates manage tubeless.

  169. #169
    mtbr member
    Reputation: vikb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    13,940
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post

    Once question: I've always spent the money on good headsets for my bikes -- Cane Creek 40 is about the lowest quality I've run. The Wednesday came with a Cane Creek 10. Just wondering if anyone else would share my inclination to make that the first replacement?
    That headset is fine and I would run it until you have an issue. I've run Chris King and cheap CC/FSA headsets....from a practical point of view I've seen no difference in how they perform.
    Safe riding,

    Vik
    www.vikapproved.com

  170. #170
    mtbr member
    Reputation: bubba13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,037
    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    There is no replacement for quality suspension. Big tires are way nicer than skinny ones, but 4" of suspension is going to kill a 4" tire on a rigid bike for comfort.

    The good thing is that you don't have to choose. You can get 27+/29+ and fat bikes with rear suspension now. I ride year round in the PNWet on FS bikes and the suspension itself takes very little maintenance.

    After a typical winter of riding here I:

    - get the shock serviced [$75]
    - check the suspension bearings [$50 every other year]

    That's it and $100 extra maintenance for the comfort and traction of the FS bike is well worth it.

    This year I added a rear fender and splash guard to my FS winter bike so I suspect the need for maintenance just went down a whole lot.

    As to your other question. Surly 27 tpi tires + tubes are horrible. Buy quality 120tpi tires and set your bike up tubeless. You will be much happier whether it's a hardtail/FS skinny tire/27+/29+ or fatty.
    Thanks for the input, but I wasn't really asking a question, just explaining myself for a prior post. Yes, I agree with your statements.

    Sorry for the derail from the Wednesday thread.
    Portland Off Road Navagators

  171. #171
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post
    I've ordered a set of Panaracer Fat B Nimbles (120 tpi) and plan to set them up tubeless, but I'm worried that they'll come in a little narrow.
    They will be narrow. Great summer tires, but they are pretty skinny in comparison to other fat tires.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  172. #172
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    383
    anyone that has a Wednesday convert to tubeless already? How'd it go? Just ordered mine last week and it should be here in 2 weeks. My first fatbike yay!!!

  173. #173
    mtbr member
    Reputation: OldHouseMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    4,380
    Is a 12 x 177 axle included when purchasing a Wednesday frameset?

    If not, where can one be sourced?

  174. #174
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    2,545
    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Is a 12 x 177 axle included when purchasing a Wednesday frameset?

    If not, where can one be sourced?
    Yes, both front 150mm and rear 177mm axles are included with the frameset.
    Jason
    Disclaimer: www.paramountfargo.com

  175. #175
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    297
    I test rode a medium-sized Wednesday last weekend. On the shop's ParkTool scale, it showed a weight of 35 lbs 6 oz, including some cheap aluminum pedals.

    Just thought I 'd throw that out there for anyone who may be curious about weight.

  176. #176
    Rue
    Rue is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Rue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    96

    This is my Christmas tree

    I just like to hang things off of it. Probably put a star on top. Maybe ride it one day...

    Today is WEDNESDAY!-20151207_212758.jpg

  177. #177
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    297
    LOL classic!

  178. #178
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Still looking to purchase a stock Wednesday fork. I've already covered the Jones bar on my ECR in blue tape and grips to match.

    If you such an item but are instead using a Bluto let's make a deal.

    Enjoy those Wednesdays.

  179. #179
    Rue
    Rue is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Rue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    96
    I think you have a pretty good shot at this one. The Bluto is definitely going on, and I have a enough good intentions hanging on my shop walls. PM me if you have a specific tribute in mind

  180. #180
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    It was asked a few weeks ago, but has anyone since then tried a 4.8in tire on the bike? Curious.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  181. #181
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    383
    Don't think I've seen it in this thread yet, but anyone have an approx weight on a stock L build?

  182. #182
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    I saw a med. weight listed at 35.5 lbs. That seems like it would work as an approximate weight for a large. Add some ounces or Surly listed the frame weight so maths could be done to real close.

    Another way (weigh) to look at is to remember that it is too heavy to actually ride and is best suited for lengthy gear discussions and occasional outdoor photo shoots.

  183. #183
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    383
    Well my current bike is a 31lb ss karate monkey so I'm sure I won't notice it much. Can't wait till this thing finally arrives.

  184. #184
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    All you'll notice is how much fun you are having.

    Have you picked out your 3rd Surly yet?

  185. #185
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Oh, and changing from the stock tires once they wear out will help drop some lbs.

  186. #186
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    383
    Well, originally it was going to be a krampus but I can put 29+ wheels on the wednesday so maybe not. I could definitely use a cross check and every since the updated monkey came out last year I've had this dream of an all black murdered out rigid SS with red king hubs and all black surly stickers on it. It will be a few years. sigh...

  187. #187
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    Sounds a lot like my relationship with Surly. I've got a long list of wants.

    Wed. with 29+ is at the top currently.

  188. #188
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    383
    By the way, if anyone is reading this and has put 29+ on a wednesday or ICT or any fatbike for that matter, I'd love to hear their thoughts.

  189. #189
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    52
    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    Well technically there's a taper to it, but it's not tapered. I need a reducer crown race before this beast can live!
    So is this a 1 1/8" steer tube? Or more specifically what reducer race would I need? I have a frame on order but the frame does not come with a headset. There is a headset spec on the website but I'm not good at interpreting the dimensions.

  190. #190
    mtbr member
    Reputation: watts888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    6,285
    Looks like they extended out the 30mm lower section. Normal straight steer forks are about 28.6 at top and use a 30mm race area at the bottom of the fork. I don't know why it's a little bigger at the bottom than the top, it just is.

    Really need to check the frame it's going into, and I missed a lot of this conversation. Is this blue fork going on a Wednesday, or something else?
    "a hundred travel books isn't worth one real trip"

  191. #191
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    37
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldens Lowe View Post
    So is this a 1 1/8" steer tube? Or more specifically what reducer race would I need? I have a frame on order but the frame does not come with a headset. There is a headset spec on the website but I'm not good at interpreting the dimensions.
    It's a 1 1/8 STEERER tube, but it's tapered. You need an EC44 Lower and a ZS44 Top. (If that's a Wednesday fork going into a Wednesday.)

  192. #192
    Rue
    Rue is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Rue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    96

    Winning Combo Confirmed

    Stock fork + Bluto compatible. Nice.
    Today is WEDNESDAY!-bruto.jpg

  193. #193
    Rue
    Rue is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Rue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    96
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    It was asked a few weeks ago, but has anyone since then tried a 4.8in tire on the bike? Curious.
    Soon, Padawan. Soon.

  194. #194
    Team Captain
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,322
    Quote Originally Posted by JayCon View Post
    It's a 1 1/8 STEERER tube, but it's tapered. You need an EC44 Lower and a ZS44 Top. (If that's a Wednesday fork going into a Wednesday.)
    You don't necessarily NEED an EC44 lower, you can use a ZS44 with the stock rigid fork. If you ever wanted to upgrade to a tapered fork (Bluto, for example), then you would need the EC44 lower cup.

  195. #195
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cassa89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    672
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    All you'll notice is how much fun you are having.

    Have you picked out your 3rd Surly yet?
    This is so true. First I had my Cross Check, then I planned out a Troll/1x1 mid fat build and started buying odds and ends for that. Now with the price drop on fat bikes, my ice cream truck ops will be ready for me later today. So really, it's always a question of which Surly next? 😃

  196. #196
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    4
    I'm considering going with an ICT fork instead of the Wednesday so I'd be interested in selling mine. Where are you located?

    Thanks, Jonathan

  197. #197
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,385
    I'm not even a real person. I assume that is true for all the cyborgs that post here.

    If I were a real person I'd be in New Mexico.

  198. #198
    Rue
    Rue is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Rue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    96
    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    I'm not even a real person. I assume that is true for all the cyborgs that post here.

    If I were a real person I'd be in New Mexico.
    01001101110110101001110
    segfault
    aborted

  199. #199
    Rue
    Rue is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Rue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    96
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    It was asked a few weeks ago, but has anyone since then tried a 4.8in tire on the bike? Curious.
    Front test gear: 45NRTH Dillinger "5", Mulfut 80mm, max actual knob width 4.48"
    Rear test gear: Surly Lou "4.8", Rolling Darryl 82 mm, max actual knob width 4.56" (@current barometric pressure, temp and zodiac alignment)

    Here's what I can tell you:
    1. The D5 at 4.48" max knob width has room for days. A far larger tire could go on there. A tire with another full inch of true width would fit better than #2 below..
    2. The Lou on the RD needs to have the rear axle moved backward in the dropout almost all the way to get the knobs into the widest part of the chainstay bow and farther down the the seatstays where they start to flare out. In that config, there is exactly 4mm of clearance between both the seatstays and chainstays at max knob width.

    Pics if ya wannem...

  200. #200
    LCW
    LCW is online now
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LCW's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    4,520
    Rue- can you post pics of the rear? I just picked up a Wednesday and more curious than anything... Besides a Lou, what slightly narrower but >4" tire fit better back there? I'll be running the Nates but at some point may look towards something wider.

    Santa Cruz Tallboy 4


Page 1 of 14 1234511 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Red Flag closure today (Wednesday) at Joaquin Miller Park
    By oparks in forum California - Norcal
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-01-2013, 11:18 AM
  2. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 02-15-2013, 12:27 PM
  3. Skeggs today, Wednesday between 5:30
    By fc in forum California - Norcal
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 07-12-2012, 01:06 PM
  4. wednesday right
    By nickcarll in forum Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-08-2011, 04:45 PM
  5. A Wednesday to myself....
    By eatdrinkride in forum Arizona
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 04-30-2011, 09:58 PM

Members who have read this thread: 148

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2020 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.