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    dfltroll, do you have a gps track for the the route you did up in the gifford pinchot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxfixed View Post
    dfltroll, do you have a gps track for the the route you did up in the gifford pinchot?
    I don't. I just use maps. I had ridden out there before. I rode out of Sunset Falls Campground on FS Rd 42 to where it intersects with 4220 and then back. You can actually do a loop--42-4220--41. Just futz around on Google Maps.
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    Very cool, I'll have to check that out, thanks!

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    Count me in...

    Picked it up a week ago. I've added a shorter stem (75mm), different grips, seat post and saddle. Rides really nice.


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    Decided to convert my 3x9 2014 medium Ogre to a 2x10 GX drop bar. Bars are Cowchippers. Always felt slightly cramped on the medium frame. Switched to a 60mm stem with drops. I am really happy with the setup

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    HI Terry, thats super nice, I really like the drop bar setup on an Ogre. What gearing are you running.

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    Hey Oz...38/24 with 11/40 cassette. That gives some ridiculous low gear of like 17.5 gear inches. The cassette was one I already had in the parts bin. I'll prob swap it out at some point
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    I am wondering what peopleís opinions are on the mokolo bar vs the jones bar.

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    Howdy, new to the forum, and am definitely not a bike expert, so please forgive my lack of knowledge! I have a road bike (Felt Z 85), and am looking to buy an all purpose bike, to be used mainly as a commuter, go to the store, cruise around town, etc. bike, but also would like to venture into some bikepacking and touring, maybe do a bit off road.

    I have visited several LBS and test road numerous bikes. Prior to doing this the Ogre wasn't even on my radar. But after riding numerous makes and models I kept coming back to the Ogre. It just feels right for me and I'm pretty locked in on buying one. My problem is that most shops do not have it in stock, and it's not available until late November at the earliest (so I'm told). I found one shop that has a 2016 available in my size, and I much prefer the Jones H bar to the new Surly bar (based only on the look), but I think that's a pretty minor issues. I have read extensively about the bike, and the recent changes. I have no desire to add suspension. But wondering if those of you in the know can elaborate on their personal feelings about the differences between the 2016 and the updated model. Is it worth it for me to wait and find a new model? Pros and cons of each model? Any input is greatly appreciated. Again, I'm not a technical expert and a lot of what I read in this thread flies right over my head!

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    i would say go for it,the new model doesnt really offer anything too radical in the way of upgrades aside from maybe the extraterrestrail tires but they fit the older models just fine...i have like 10000 miles on my ogre at this point,its perfect as a town bike and is also well proven out on the road and built like a tank...aside from a few scuffs mine still looks like a new bike...it does everything pretty darn well...
    the only bad point,the ride is a bit harsh with just the bare bike,out some weight on it and it gets far more comfy...

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    I've ridden with the Jones H bar and my (2017) Ogre came with the Mokolo. The latter gives a slightly different hand position due to the horns. The horns allow pretending to have gun and rocket switches for bad drivers, or that you're flying like Superman, just by a slight shift of the palms. Outside of those horns, I don't find much difference between them.

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    New model is boost spacing, 168+ q factor cranks only. My old 158 q m9000 XTR cranks didn't fit. It is stiffer and clears plus tires if you want to run them later. You can use the 142 thru axle rear but, there are no monkey nuts made for the new frame yet. You will have to use their chain tensioners if you run a rear rotor over 160 or need the spacing for drivetrain reasons. I bent my 2016 model Ogre and the new ogre replacement under warranty has been awesome. stiff, rides better, slightly slacker but they made up for it in other ways so it feels very similar other than the handling change. One thing if you run the 142, you'll need surly's custom thru axle because it doesn't take DT or maxle. If you run 135, you'll be using their adapters which for me added some flex and caused an issue with securing my rear wheel with Pitlock skewers. Pitlock doesn't make a 142 option and it wouldn't work anyways because there's no threads on the other side. But my bike is too expensive to leave outside now anyways so I'll just carry an extra lock if I needed to do that.

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    Took the ogre out for a cruise. I really like this bike!


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    Hampsterspam, how does the Ogre ride with a load up front and high like that? Any shimmy or issues controlling the bike? I imagine you're happy with the PH bag.
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    i got up to 46 on the way down the hill without feeling like i was going to die...i didnt have a whole lot in it,but overall i barely noticed it was there...today i hauled groceries home in it,but i have it strapped to the rear rack now since the jones bars made it a pita to fiddle with up front so i put the basket back on...

    but yes,so far i would say worth the money by far...i need to get it on the straggler next..

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    I hadn't thought of how the bars would interfere. I also just realized that's the smaller bag, presumably on an 8 pack rack. I have a 24 pack rack.
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    yep,8 pack/ pph combo...its just the jones loop bars that get slightly in the way,im sure flats or drops it would be fine...

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    Was thinking about getting the moloko bars for the ogre but decided on the RF atlas 35 instead because of the green theme going on. Still would like to get a front pizza rack because I can pick up a pizza at the gas station on my way home about 3 miles away.

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    I am planning to get myself an Ogre for "gravel grinding" and single track riding, but confused on the sizing. MTBR and other forums are full of opinions, but not the final truth. Unfortunately test ride is not possible, since there are no Surly dealers close to my home.
    I am 6'1.5" tall with 35" biking inseam. Surly size guide says LG but I could imagine liking the longer top tube of XL. However, the clearance in XL may not be enough...is the standover in XL really 33.8"?
    Surly has a strange method of measuring the seat tube, could someone please measure the real C-T from center of bottom bracket to top of the seat tube in Ogre LG and XL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I am planning to get myself an Ogre for "gravel grinding" and single track riding, but confused on the sizing. MTBR and other forums are full of opinions, but not the final truth. Unfortunately test ride is not possible, since there are no Surly dealers close to my home.
    I am 6'1.5" tall with 35" biking inseam. Surly size guide says LG but I could imagine liking the longer top tube of XL. However, the clearance in XL may not be enough...is the standover in XL really 33.8"?
    Surly has a strange method of measuring the seat tube, could someone please measure the real C-T from center of bottom bracket to top of the seat tube in Ogre LG and XL?
    What's wrong with the standover height? Looks like it'll work for you just fine. I never go by standover anyway. Stack, reach, ETT are the critical measurements.

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    I just checked my '12 XL KM (same geo as the Ogre, I think), and I measured 33.5" standover right at the middle of the top tube. So I think Surly's number is about right.

    The actual seat tube length (center of bottom bracket to the end of the tube) is about 23.25" (I didn't take the seat collar off to measure it exactly).

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I am planning to get myself an Ogre for "gravel grinding" and single track riding, but confused on the sizing. MTBR and other forums are full of opinions, but not the final truth. Unfortunately test ride is not possible, since there are no Surly dealers close to my home.
    I am 6'1.5" tall with 35" biking inseam. Surly size guide says LG but I could imagine liking the longer top tube of XL. However, the clearance in XL may not be enough...is the standover in XL really 33.8"?
    Surly has a strange method of measuring the seat tube, could someone please measure the real C-T from center of bottom bracket to top of the seat tube in Ogre LG and XL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Will the new Ogre fork clear a 29+ tire? I have a Singular Gryphon fork of similar length that can do it, so I'm guessing yes.

    I really love that non-suspension corrected look on the Ogre, but I'm loath to give up the more flexible tubing and shorter chainstays of my KM.
    I know this old, but the only thing keeping me from an ogre is owning Gryphon. Just stick a Jones bar and its almost an ogre. I think I'm going troll and switching my old mtb parts. Really love the ogre though, esp. the Rasta!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I just checked my '12 XL KM (same geo as the Ogre, I think), and I measured 33.5" standover right at the middle of the top tube. So I think Surly's number is about right.

    The actual seat tube length (center of bottom bracket to the end of the tube) is about 23.25" (I didn't take the seat collar off to measure it exactly).
    Thank you so much seat_boy! So the standover is accurate...maybe a bit less clearance than I am used to with my other mountain bike. Also the seat tube continues over an inch above the end of the seat tube measurement, so there is no need for a super long seatpost.... I am thinking of getting a LG instead of XL. But planning to use the bike mainly on gravel roads and maybe some touring....don't know.

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    By way of example, I'm 6'3" with a 36" PBH, and here's my KM set up with a 32" seat height:

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    At your height, I would go for the Large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Thank you so much seat_boy! So the standover is accurate...maybe a bit less clearance than I am used to with my other mountain bike. Also the seat tube continues over an inch above the end of the seat tube measurement, so there is no need for a super long seatpost.... I am thinking of getting a LG instead of XL. But planning to use the bike mainly on gravel roads and maybe some touring....don't know.
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    I also have a quick sizing question. I'm not too worried about the standover height, because I think most everyone should fit with that sloping top tube. That said, my overall height is 74 in (188 cm), with a PBH of 35 in (89 cm) and an arm length of 25 in (63.5 cm).

    Based on what I've read I am going to guess that an XL with a 70 mm stem should put me right in the ballpark. Primary use will be trails, from extreme single track to dirt and gravel roads. Does this sound right, or should I kick down to a large?
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    Sizing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    I also have a quick sizing question. I'm not too worried about the standover height, because I think most everyone should fit with that sloping top tube. That said, my overall height is 74 in (188 cm), with a PBH of 35 in (89 cm) and an arm length of 25 in (63.5 cm).

    Based on what I've read I am going to guess that an XL with a 70 mm stem should put me right in the ballpark. Primary use will be trails, from extreme single track to dirt and gravel roads. Does this sound right, or should I kick down to a large?
    Hard to say. I think I posted this info previously so forgive the redundancy. I'm 6' with a 90.5cm PBH and a saddle height of 80cm. I went with an XL as I didn't want to have a mile of post. SO is limited but I'm not so worried about that. Still, I've got 5cm spacers to get the bars where I want them. I'm running an 80cm stem but might go to a 70cm at some point. The old XL Ogre would have been perfect for me. But really, when I'm riding on it and not thinking about it, the bike is fun.

    Given your measurements it seems like you could go with either size depending on how you're going to set it up. The bigger size does give you more frame bag space.

    Here's a recent picture of mine with a 24 pack rack and Surly rear rack. It's quite a beast. I'm bummed that I didn't make more of an effort to get out on it this past summer. I also would really like to try it with 27+ wheels. Over the next few days I'm going to mock it up with my Surly front rack. The 24-pack rack is back on my BD. For now...

    Does anyone know if the older Surly XL frame bags fit nicely on the current XL Ogres?
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    my number 5 frame bag fits my xxl ogre pretty good if that helps..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Given your measurements it seems like you could go with either size depending on how you're going to set it up. The bigger size does give you more frame bag space.
    Thank you very much for your perspective! I am very specifically looking for a trail rig, as my Disc Trucker is my road tourer and I love that bike. Being between sizes is a pretty good spot. Iím really looking for a replacement for my large Pugsley, which was infinitely comfortable. I like being able to throw the bike around under me, so I think a large may suit me very well.
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    I realize this is not necessarily an Ogre only question, but I have had my 2017 Ogre a few weeks now and have been putting some miles on it, a few at a time. I have upgraded to a Brooks saddle, and am looking to upgrade the handle bar grips and add some handle bar tape. Any recommendations on these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by walterfredo View Post
    ...am looking to upgrade the handle bar grips and add some handle bar tape. Any recommendations on these?
    I cannot recommend the ESI MTB grips highly enough. I would get the chunky in either standard or XL length, depending upon which bar you are using. For alt-bars, I prefer the XL.

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    Hi everyone! I'm new here and I am collecting information about Surly Ogre 2017, especially with 27.5+ wheels.

    The most important question for me has already been asked by Hman0217, but so far it wasn't answered:
    Quote Originally Posted by Hman0217 View Post
    How do you all feel about the hill bombingness and trail ripability of the new ogre? I loved my 08 monkey but when I tried the new one I was disappointed in its climbability, which though somewhat due to the monster tires must also be connected to the three degree slackening of HTA. (For contrast I rode a crust scapegoat with plus tires that climbed like a boss) So I was thinking of defecting to the steeper-HTA ogre but I'm worried that the other end of the spectrum might be too compromised. Is the new ogre pretty darn playful off the asphalt or is it gonna be significantly subdued relative to the monkey?
    Isn't the HTA too steep for feeling calm and safe while bikepacking in the mountains?

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    I only rode one briefly, with 27.5x3.0 wheels/tires, and I wouldn't hesitate to say bombs away. For reference I ride my ECR everywhere and am happy bombing that too. Both bikes are super stable and make high speed descents a chill affair and I only notice I'm going fast when full suspension bikes get in my way!

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    Is it verboten to inquire about the weight of an Ogre frameset?

    I have been searching the webz, and skimming through this thread trying to get an inkling as to what I could expect the frame and fork to weigh, and have not found anything useful. I realize that the Ogre is never going to be lightweight, nor should it be, but I would like to know roughly what to expect. I am considering jettisoning my AWOL for an Ogre because I'm just not a drop bar guy when it comes to offroading. The XL AWOL Expert frameset (frame and fork) was about 8 lbs IIRC, and I am hoping an XL Ogre won't be too far off of that mark.

    Also wondering if there is another bike with the same/similar design intent of the Ogre that I should consider if the chances of me going 27.5+ are relatively slim (I already own a Trek Stache 9 29+)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj View Post
    Is it verboten to inquire about the weight of an Ogre frameset?
    I happen to have an XL Ogre frameset awaiting a wheel build. It is completely bare, with the exception of a Cane Creek headset. Weight on my extremely unscientific bathroom scale is 10.2 lbs. I hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    I happen to have an Ogre frameset awaiting a wheel build. It is completely bare, with the exception of a Cane Creek headset. Weight on my extremely unscientific bathroom scale is 10.2 lbs. I hope that helps.
    It does.

    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
    Bike24 lists the combined weight of a 20" Ogre frame + fork, as being 4370grams or 9.614lbs.
    Thank you for checking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj View Post
    Is it verboten to inquire about the weight of an Ogre frameset?

    I have been searching the webz, and skimming through this thread trying to get an inkling as to what I could expect the frame and fork to weigh, and have not found anything useful. I realize that the Ogre is never going to be lightweight, nor should it be, but I would like to know roughly what to expect. I am considering jettisoning my AWOL for an Ogre because I'm just not a drop bar guy when it comes to offroading. The XL AWOL Expert frameset (frame and fork) was about 8 lbs IIRC, and I am hoping an XL Ogre won't be too far off of that mark.

    Also wondering if there is another bike with the same/similar design intent of the Ogre that I should consider if the chances of me going 27.5+ are relatively slim (I already own a Trek Stache 9 29+)?
    Bike24 lists the combined weight of a 20" Ogre frame + fork, as being 4370grams or 9.614lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj View Post

    Also wondering if there is another bike with the same/similar design intent of the Ogre that I should consider if the chances of me going 27.5+ are relatively slim (I already own a Trek Stache 9 29+)?
    Before buying the Ogre last Summer, The AWOL, Salsa Vaya and Fargo were on the short list. Only rode the AWOL in a parking lot, but liked the ride. Also liked it could handle bigger than the ~45MM of the Vaya.

    So, when does a tire get too skinny for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by milliesand View Post
    Before buying the Ogre last Summer, The AWOL, Salsa Vaya and Fargo were on the short list. Only rode the AWOL in a parking lot, but liked the ride. Also liked it could handle bigger than the ~45MM of the Vaya.

    So, when does a tire get too skinny for you?
    Agree on the Fargo. That definitely should be considered. But for the price of the Ogre frame, I don't know of any other bike that will do it better.

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    Ogre & Rohloff

    I have not posted on MTBR in a long time but I am pretty happy about this Ogre I am riding. I originally bought the Ogre to convert to a mid drive e-bike for a long 60 mile round trip commute to work. The Ogre is a good donor for an e-bike but that setup proved unreliable for the kind of miles I was putting down.

    So what to do with the Ogre...I always wanted a Rohloff hub and this bike is perfect for it. Itís not light but it handles trails like a tractor. I like it a lot. Pic is from a good days ride not too long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milliesand View Post
    Before buying the Ogre last Summer, The AWOL, Salsa Vaya and Fargo were on the short list. Only rode the AWOL in a parking lot, but liked the ride. Also liked it could handle bigger than the ~45MM of the Vaya.

    So, when does a tire get too skinny for you?
    I want the bike I am going to build to be able to handle something like a 29"x 2" MTB-ish tire. Some of the sandy spots I ride get a little squirrely on narrower tires (with me at the controls anyway. . . lol).

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    I picked up my new ogre size XL. Can't wait to ride it once the snow is gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sehitz View Post
    I picked up my new ogre size XL. Can't wait to ride it once the snow is gone.
    Why wait!?

    surly ogre-ogre-bridge-2013.jpg

    Admittedly, this was with studded tyres but the Ogre has always been a blast in these type of conditions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Colett View Post
    New model is boost spacing, 168+ q factor cranks only. My old 158 q m9000 XTR cranks didn't fit. It is stiffer and clears plus tires if you want to run them later. You can use the 142 thru axle rear but, there are no monkey nuts made for the new frame yet. You will have to use their chain tensioners if you run a rear rotor over 160 or need the spacing for drivetrain reasons. I bent my 2016 model Ogre and the new ogre replacement under warranty has been awesome. stiff, rides better, slightly slacker but they made up for it in other ways so it feels very similar other than the handling change. One thing if you run the 142, you'll need surly's custom thru axle because it doesn't take DT or maxle. If you run 135, you'll be using their adapters which for me added some flex and caused an issue with securing my rear wheel with Pitlock skewers. Pitlock doesn't make a 142 option and it wouldn't work anyways because there's no threads on the other side. But my bike is too expensive to leave outside now anyways so I'll just carry an extra lock if I needed to do that.

    Local trail run on the old version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGS3PSf2MJc
    I registered and account so I could reply to your comment. I have a 2017 ogre with the knot boost running 135 wheels and adapters. I bought the Abus Nutfix and it is long enough... barely but it works great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sehitz View Post
    I picked up my new ogre size XL. Can't wait to ride it once the snow is gone.
    Very nice. What size frame bag is that? Looks like a perfect fit.
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    Why wait!?

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    Admittedly, this was with studded tyres but the Ogre has always been a blast in these type of conditions...
    Yes, especially considering you can fit some fat tires in there (2.6" - 3.0").

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Very nice. What size frame bag is that? Looks like a perfect fit.
    Itís a custom fit bag from Relevate made for the ogre

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    Quote Originally Posted by subversion View Post
    Why wait!?

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    Admittedly, this was with studded tyres but the Ogre has always been a blast in these type of conditions...
    I have a Pugsley that I use on the winter trails. I took the Ogre out a little and the extra terrestrials donít make for very good traction in the ice and snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sehitz View Post
    Itís a custom fit bag from Relevate made for the ogre
    Right, but which size. #9? I ask because the bags were originally sized for the older models. Last year the dimensions of the XL Ogre changed so I'm curious if the #9 size bag is still the best fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sehitz View Post
    I have a Pugsley that I use on the winter trails. I took the Ogre out a little and the extra terrestrials donít make for very good traction in the ice and snow.

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    Ogre with Cigne Stem?

    I haven't seen anyone post it here but maybe there's a lurker that can chime in. I'm thinking of getting a VO Cigne Stem for my Ogre so I can run Cowchippers on it. I think the stem, the bars and frame might all be a good match. It looks like to fully experience this set-up I'll have to trim my steerer tube past the point of no return (down to about 6.0) but if it works out, that won't really be an issue. I'll run the 70mm stem if I do it. Anyone else done this? I checked around and found a Troll owner who ran this set-up and liked it.

    For those who don't know, the Cigne Stem is the VO version of an LD (figure it out) stem.

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    dfltroll why trim the steerer?

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    so you're looking to do something like this?

    surly ogre-img_20180223_123056547.jpgsurly ogre-img_20180223_123049018.jpg

    thats a 90mm happy stem from velo orange and woodchippers with i think 30mm of spacers under it so the stem is about 1-2mm short of being bottomed out on the stem...i had my steerer tube cut too short,this set up works really well for that,very comfortable,easy on the back,plenty of control off road,good position on the bike for out of the saddle climbing,when you get the woodchippers up high the flare on the drops suddenly makes a huge amount of sense...nothing but good to say about this setup...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    dfltroll why trim the steerer?
    Because I think the bar will be too high. But I'll likely try it with spacers just to get a general impression of it.

    Hspam--that's exactly what I'm going for. I don't think that stem would solve the issue. I actually like the look of the Cigne Stem. We'll see what happens. I do far more mixed terrain rides than singletrack rides and so drops, if the position is good, are better.

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    Here's my KM with a Cigne stem. I was using a Fargo fork with an already cut steerer, and the stem put the drop bars at a very nice position for me.

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    I normally run the bike a 70-80mm stem and a flat/mild riser bar, for reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Here's my KM with a Cigne stem. I was using a Fargo fork with an already cut steerer, and the stem put the drop bars at a very nice position for me.

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    I normally run the bike a 70-80mm stem and a flat/mild riser bar, for reference.
    Dude! That looks great. You're happy with the whole set-up I take it?
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    I didn't keep it this way very long, as my "drop bar mountain bike bug" passed pretty quickly. But, as a way to achieve a DBMB, I was happy with it it. Certainly better than my previous full steerer + normal short/upright stem, which put the bars too low and too far away.

    My only complaint with the Cigne is that you can't leave the steerer tube long. You need to commit and chop off the excess. Luckily, I have two Fargo forks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I didn't keep it this way very long, as my "drop bar mountain bike bug" passed pretty quickly. But, as a way to achieve a DBMB, I was happy with it it. Certainly better than my previous full steerer + normal short/upright stem, which put the bars too low and too far away.

    My only complaint with the Cigne is that you can't leave the steerer tube long. You need to commit and chop off the excess. Luckily, I have two Fargo forks!

    Eric
    Right, in some ways the Crust Stem would be a better choice as it adds 12.5 height as opposed to 14.5 with the VO. I'll likely order up the stem and mock it up before committing to cut the steerer. I have my old L Krampus frame laying around. I should try and trade that for a XL Ogre.
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    I went with a high angle 60mm and Cowchippers. I am really happy with the fit and the ride. I really only use my Ogre for bikepacking and gravel, so the drops work well for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry66 View Post
    I went with a high angle 60mm and Cowchippers. I am really happy with the fit and the ride. I really only use my Ogre for bikepacking and gravel, so the drops work well for me.
    That looks great. Better yet, good to know it rides great.
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    LD'd Troll.

    Here's a Troll with an LD stem. It looks so wrong yet seems so right.
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    And yet another way...

    Custom stem with a Crust Towel Rack. This guy has been running these bars on his Ogre for a while so it must work. The stem is fairly new.
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    That's a pretty strange looking stem, but I like that it doesn't require cutting the steerer tube.

    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Custom stem with a Crust Towel Rack. This guy has been running these bars on his Ogre for a while so it must work. The stem is fairly new.
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    LD stem arrived and it looks nice. I need to futz with it this weekend although it's pretty clear that I'll need to cut the steerer to get the bars where I want. Not so sure what I'll do yet.
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    I mocked up the Cigne stem and I'll need to cut the steerer to get the bars where I want them. But if I do that, they'll be a bit too low for when I'm running a Jones bar. Although that could be resolved with a different stem. Hmmmm...

    I may just go for it. A bit to lose and everything to gain?
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    Could you try it with a different fork? It would suck to trim the Ogre fork down and then not like the fit of the stem. There has to be a cheap 29er fork floating around out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassa89 View Post
    Could you try it with a different fork? It would suck to trim the Ogre fork down and then not like the fit of the stem. There has to be a cheap 29er fork floating around out there.
    Actually, I checked the Surly website and the 27.5 ECR for has the same rake and axel to crown measurement so it looks like I could use one of those. Unfortunately the forks aren't free... I may just go for it. I've wanted a drop bar mtn(ish) bike for a long time. What I should have done was purchase a Fargo back in 2012 or so. I don't like the newer ones.
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    the new fargos are pretty nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    the new fargos are pretty nice...
    You're not helping...

    I did see yours over on the Fargo thread. Looks sweet. Any plans to run it 27+?
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    it already is...its the rival complete,pretty perfect for what we call dirt roads around here,good on the singletrack,and super comfortable to ride...

    my ogre is still my main "get stuff done" bike...

    but its getting hot here soon....that means 5 water bottles on alot of rides and also usually a couple of bottles in the mountain feedbags...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    but its getting hot here soon....that means 5 water bottles on alot of rides and also usually a couple of bottles in the mountain feedbags...
    You know about these, right? They're great. You could fit multiple 48oz bottles on your bike, or smaller, but insulated bottles.

    https://www.widefootdesign.com/product/litercage/
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    Getting closer...

    Just waiting on the shifters. I was mocking it up this morning and realize I'm just going to go for it and set it up with a 2cm spacer below the Cigne Stem. This way I can get a feel for it. It would leave me with 2cm to play with in terms of lowering the stem. Furthermore, if it just wasn't for me, I could easily put my Jones bars on without having to get a new fork.

    I know it looks super dorky but I've been inspired by the folks on Crust Bikes and the crew at Analog Cycles. Most importantly, it felt kinda alright. I think on the hoods will feel really different than what I'm used to but in the drops seems really nice. We'll see.
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    im getting ready to swap the happy stem and woodchippers off my krampus onto the ogre with some skinnier tires and do pretty much the same thing to my ogre...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    im getting ready to swap the happy stem and woodchippers off my krampus onto the ogre with some skinnier tires and do pretty much the same thing to my ogre...
    Go for it. I have a feeling I'll either have 2cm more of steerer cut down or switch to a Crust stem. Something tells me this will work fine. Then I can start working towards a lighter set of wheels. These are RHs. I'll probably build up a set of 29" WTB i35 Asyms or whatever they're called. And then maybe a 27.5+ set...
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    One more thing. For reference:

    VO Cigne Stem--90mm and 70mm extension, adds 145mm of stack height and requires at least 5.5cm of steerer.

    Crust LD--40mm extension, adds 125mm of stack heigh and requires 5cm of steerer.
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    im sorta torn on the rabbit holes...i love how utterly bombproof they are,but after getting a few pairs of tubeless ready rims im sort of over surly rims in general...

    right now im running the surly et tires on the ogre,i really like them but with a rear surly nice rack and an 8 pack up front with a basket its a mighty heavy bike...so going for some kenda small block8 1.9 tires and the drop bar setup with the happy stem and have the ogre for my around town bike and use the krampus with jones bars and the et's for my trailer pulling bike....i have too many bikes....but im seriously attached to surlys even though they have become sort of redundant in my line up i cant bring myself to get rid of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    im sorta torn on the rabbit holes...i love how utterly bombproof they are,but after getting a few pairs of tubeless ready rims im sort of over surly rims in general...

    right now im running the surly et tires on the ogre,i really like them but with a rear surly nice rack and an 8 pack up front with a basket its a mighty heavy bike...so going for some kenda small block8 1.9 tires and the drop bar setup with the happy stem and have the ogre for my around town bike and use the krampus with jones bars and the et's for my trailer pulling bike....i have too many bikes....but im seriously attached to surlys even though they have become sort of redundant in my line up i cant bring myself to get rid of them...
    Sounds like a good plan. I swear, my Ogre with ETs seems slower than my Big Dummy. I think it's more about the wheel size than tires. 26" is the way to go for around town.

    If everything comes together with my Ogre, it'll definitely be my summer exploration bike. I'm eyeballing some mixed routes in the Mt Hood and Gifford NF that will include dirt and singletrack and I think the Ogre in this configuration will be perfect. But maybe with 2.25 Rangers or something.

    And as the wheels in my head start spinning, I can't help but wonder how my BD would feel set-up with drops. Maybe Woodchippers? We'll see.
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    yeah,i blame my lbs...they gave me a screaming good deal on the bucksaw and next thing i knew i had 3 salsas...

    but the ogre is still my main get stuff done bike...its such a tank however that its more comfortable to ride when loaded for me at least...



    i tried the et's on rabbit holes...talk about tough to spin up to speed! running them on alex adventurer rims and they seem much less sluggish in that mode,and basically worthless off paved roads around here...terrible in the sand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    i tried the et's on rabbit holes...talk about tough to spin up to speed! running them on alex adventurer rims and they seem much less sluggish in that mode,and basically worthless off paved roads around here...terrible in the sand...
    Yeah, they're horrible here in OR in the mud. Fine for dirt roads and loamy trails but I think it's more about the size of the tire than it's tread or compound.

    Got a call in to the LBS about my Gevenalle shifters. They still haven't gotten them yet and they're located here in PDX. I'm so excited to get this bike going. You know, if it works out, I'll like look towards a new 29er wheelset and maybe set it up with some 2.10 Big Apples and fenders to see me through the Spring for ubran rambles and commuting.
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    got my high drop bar ogre project done...

    velo orange happy stem,genetic digest bars,trp hylex brakes,paul components mountain shifter bar adapter,sram gx 10 speed stuff,and kenda small block8 1.9 inch tires...

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    LD'd.

    Picked my bike up and got a chance to go for a short evening ramble around the neighborhood. Wow. It's different. Riding in the drops seems to be the go-to position without feeling awkward. On the hoods isn't quite right but I think that's because the shop didn't place them quite how I asked. I'll get it sorted in a day or two. They actually feel perfect in the drops but less so on the hoods although I don't know how much I'll ride in the hoods. I'll pedal to work tomorrow and take the long way home to figure it out before I wrap the bars.

    I still may go with a Crust 40mm LD stem. The bars would be a tad lower. As for the bars, Cowchippers, they never felt right on my Vaya but feel great for this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    got my high drop bar ogre project done...

    velo orange happy stem,genetic digest bars,trp hylex brakes,paul components mountain shifter bar adapter,sram gx 10 speed stuff,and kenda small block8 1.9 inch tires...

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    Looks like a serious all-road utilitarian machine. Maybe you need to consider getting one of the new Xtracycle kits for it... Seriously.
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    got a BOB trailer,a little more versatile i think...

    looks like our bars ended up about the same height...im going out later for a quick ride so i will get a chance to try it out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    got a BOB trailer,a little more versatile i think...

    looks like our bars ended up about the same height...im going out later for a quick ride so i will get a chance to try it out...
    My bars are a bit above the saddle. I pedaled into work the long way and it really felt great. The set-up allows for you to remain in the drops almost constantly and while it feels different, it certainly doesn't feel bad. What I don't like is how it feels on the hoods. Need to make some adjustments.

    Also, I have a 1cm spacer below the stem and I'll remove that, ie have the steerer cut further. I still may end-up with a Crust LD stem which has a lower stack height and shorter extension. Really, what I probably need to do is just order a custom stem from someone like Rick Hunter.
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    im wary of cutting the steerer as i have 2 bikes i initially cut way too short when i was in the short slammed stem phase...on my ict the new jones 2.5 bars got the bars back up to a lower back friendly height and a dimension high rise stem worked for the krampus...so...back in a couple hours after running some errands and riding around a bit on the ogre and i should have a good idea how well this setup works..

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    gotta say...pretty darn comfortable...once i got the hoods angled right and got the saddle position/tilt adjusted it felt great...not a very aero position,but thats not a factor in the way this bike gets used...

    need to tilt the bars up just a wee bit and i think it will be spot on...

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    That's great. I'm off the next two days and hoping to get out for some off road exploration to try my set-up.
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    LD'd.

    So I got out for a ride in Forest Park today and the Ogre worked quite well. I love the position for the drops. The hoods feel a bit high but otherwise it's great. Really stoked on this set-up. Can't wait to get out to the better roads and trails in the Mt Hood NF later this summer.

    You'll see a photo of my Widefoot Designs bottle cage. This thing is awesome. It can even hold a bigger bottle. The bars are Cowchippers. Shifters/levers are Gevenalle and I like them a lot. I'll put a similar set-up on my LHT later this year.
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    i ended up tilting the bars down a skosh so the hoods werent quite so high up...but the genetics bars im using have quite a bit of flare to them...but the hood angle ends up feeling good on them...i have another pair of woodchippers around if they dont work longterm...woodchippers get much more comfy up high...

    looks good ! i like the seatbag,what brand?

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    I have a feeling Woodchippers will find their way onto this bike later this year.

    The bag is a classic Carradice Barley Bag. I've had it for over 10yrs. Great quality yet I still kinda want one of those Ultraromance Fabio's Chest bag.
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    Hi all,

    2017 Ogre is no longer suspension corrected (thus, head tube length is increased by 20mm). However what would happen if I put in a 100mm suspension anyway?

    I know that it would handle kinda stupid with very slacker head tube angle, longer wheel base and more "twitchy" feeling with the handle bar. Also the handle bar will be raised a bit. I would be required to modify my seat post, seat angle and steam spacers for that.

    But what would be *the real risks* in this case? Like.. I would be more prone to serious injury or being thrown oever the handlebar while riding trails.. for example..

    Forgive me if my question sound like one of a moron.

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    [QUOTE=dfltroll;13171258]So I woke up excited about my new XL Ogre but also a little anxious about sizing. I'll be curious what it feels like on singletrack, especially technical or steep trails although it shouldn't see too much use like that. Here's pictures of my XL BD and L Krampus for reference. Anyone have thoughts?
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    Looking to get a new wheelset built up for my Ogre. Can't decide between something like WTB 29" Asym i29 or maybe a 27+ wheelset. If I were to go with a 27.5+ wheelset, would a 2.8 tire be too small? Apparently the BB height drops when you switch to B+ wheels, even 3.0. Not even really sure why I'd go with 2.8s but figured I'd put it out there. Thanks.
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    that's going to be affected by your rim width and tire choice of course,but i would think a 35ishmm inner width rim and a 2.8 would work out fine...unless of course you mean to spend a lot of time in rock gardens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    that's going to be affected by your rim width and tire choice of course,but i would think a 35ishmm inner width rim and a 2.8 would work out fine...unless of course you mean to spend a lot of time in rock gardens!
    I was thinking of going that route. A little cheaper than a 40 or 45mm rim. It's not like I'll be using this bike as a singletrack ripper, it's more of an all-dirt road with singletrack excursions thrown in. Is it weird that I just want to make this bike even weirder than it already is with it's LD stem and drops?
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    nope,it is a surly after all

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    Getting ready for summer.

    Finally sold off a bunch of stuff that was laying around. Almost out of debt and picked up some new stuff for the Ogre--Brooks All-Weather C17 saddles, frame bag, and hubs for a new wheelset. Tomorrow I'll be heading out to the Mt Hood NF for some riding. Will likely be all singletrack. I'll be curious to see what I think of the bars. If they just don't work for me I have multiple opportunities to bail out and ride dirt FS roads.

    The bike has already one me over for dirt road rambles and camping but if it rides well on singletrack I'll look towards builiding the hubs up around a 27.5+ wheelset, otherwise I'll go with a 29er set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Finally sold off a bunch of stuff that was laying around. Almost out of debt and picked up some new stuff for the Ogre--Brooks All-Weather C17 saddles, frame bag, and hubs for a new wheelset. Tomorrow I'll be heading out to the Mt Hood NF for some riding. Will likely be all singletrack. I'll be curious to see what I think of the bars. If they just don't work for me I have multiple opportunities to bail out and ride dirt FS roads.

    The bike has already one me over for dirt road rambles and camping but if it rides well on singletrack I'll look towards builiding the hubs up around a 27.5+ wheelset, otherwise I'll go with a 29er set.
    What size Ogre do you have?

    Looking at that picture, I can't help but wonder if you shouldn't be on a frame that is one size bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
    What size Ogre do you have?

    Looking at that picture, I can't help but wonder if you shouldn't be on a frame that is one size bigger.
    Ha! I'm on an XL and it's actually a little big. I don't mind the ST height and SO clearance, but the TT is a little longer than I'd like. I think the angle and the LD stem throws the perspective off. My saddle height is only 80.5 cm.
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    Don't fear the drops.

    The Ogre with drops worked great. No real issues. I don't feel like they worked against me at all on today's ride which included lots of singletrack, nice temps and some great views of Mt Hood.
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    what's all that green stuff? some kinda large spineless cactus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    what's all that green stuff? some kinda large spineless cactus?
    It's weed, bro. And the white stuff is methamphetamine. This is Oregon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    It's weed, bro. And the white stuff is methamphetamine. This is Oregon.
    so the tan area must be the rednecks that look like hippies until they start talking!

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    All the brown stuff is coffee grounds from all the pour over cafes in PDX and "coffee outside" enthusiast. It all comes together quite nicely, don't you think?
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    I'll add that the Brooks C17 All Weather saddle is a winner. Also, I continue to run the ETs and they do surprisingly well, except in mud and snow. I think it's the large foot print more than anything. Finally, the Cowchippers felt as comfortable as my Jones Bars. Climbing in the drops felt natural and the the bike was quite capable. Still, I don't know that this is the bike I'd want at Phil's in Bend or at Oakridge, but certainly fine for my immediate needs.
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    i can almost smell the artisinal beard and man bun coosies from here!

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    dfltroll, how does the C17 compare to the B17? I seem to recall you having both, so apologies if I'm thinking of someone else.

    I have a B17 on my ECR and now that it's (finally) getting broken in, it feels pretty nice. But man, the break in period was brutal. I'm looking at a new saddle for my Pugsley and was considering a C17 this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassa89 View Post
    dfltroll, how does the C17 compare to the B17? I seem to recall you having both, so apologies if I'm thinking of someone else.

    I have a B17 on my ECR and now that it's (finally) getting broken in, it feels pretty nice. But man, the break in period was brutal. I'm looking at a new saddle for my Pugsley and was considering a C17 this time.
    I Have B17s on my LHT and BD. I usually don't have an issue with break-in period although the one I did have on the Ogre was quite squeaky and creaky. I picked up the C17 on sale at a screaming deal from a local shop that was closing. If you're happy with your B17, I wouldn't rush out to replace it. But I do think in the future I'll likely go for the All Weather saddles instead of B17s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Ha! I'm on an XL and it's actually a little big. I don't mind the ST height and SO clearance, but the TT is a little longer than I'd like. I think the angle and the LD stem throws the perspective off. My saddle height is only 80.5 cm.
    Your seat looks really far back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
    Your seat looks really far back.
    It's actually not pushed all the way back on the rails. Unlike when I ride with a B17 which is always pushed as far back as possible. Trust me, if anything, the bike is a bit big.
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    Ogre PSA.

    I was looking at some things last night and noticed that the Ogre Non-Suspension Fork and the Moonlander Non-Offset Fork (and the ECR 27+) have the same AC length and same offset measurement. Wow. That means if you wanted to you could run a Moonlander fork with a rear wheel in front, similar to a Pugsley. I guess you could also run a fat front. One could concoct quite the frankenbike if they wanted to.
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    I was thinking of getting an ogre but I'm stuck on the sizing. I wanted it to try to get into some single track on the weekends and bikecamp a few times a year, but also for hauling around town to nab groceries and work runs. I'm 5'8 flat with an identical wingspan and a smidge over a 30 inch bike inseam. I'm pretty sure I'm going to run 27.5+ on there which will drop it a hair, and I'll be throwing on Jones or molokos. I just don't know whether to go with the small or the medium. I have a 700c straggler that's a 52cm that fits me like a if that helps, and an old aluminum road bike that's a 54 that's a bit big for me (the boys rest on the top tube when I stand over her).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingenious28 View Post
    I was thinking of getting an ogre but I'm stuck on the sizing. I wanted it to try to get into some single track on the weekends and bikecamp a few times a year, but also for hauling around town to nab groceries and work runs. I'm 5'8 flat with an identical wingspan and a smidge over a 30 inch bike inseam. I'm pretty sure I'm going to run 27.5+ on there which will drop it a hair, and I'll be throwing on Jones or molokos. I just don't know whether to go with the small or the medium. I have a 700c straggler that's a 52cm that fits me like a if that helps, and an old aluminum road bike that's a 54 that's a bit big for me (the boys rest on the top tube when I stand over her).
    Would a Troll or ECR 27.5 suit you better than an Ogre?

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    I looked at the troll and it might. I like the 27.5 wherlsize from what Iíve ridden, and I heard I can squeeze in 2.5 or 2.6 on the troll which would be nice, I just thought having access to a 29 would be nicer than 26.

    Ecr looks awesome but Iíve never ridden. Iíve read elsewhere thatís it isnít a great single track bike? Is that not the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingenious28 View Post
    Ecr looks awesome but Iíve never ridden. Iíve read elsewhere thatís it isnít a great single track bike? Is that not the case?
    You might want to check the ECR thread and read some of Matterhorn's comments. He seemed to have no problem ripping on his ECR.

    None of the bikes mentioned--Troll, ECR, Ogre--are necessarily trail bikes. I found that my Ogre, even with ETs, performed quite admirably on singletrack.

    When I was looking to get one of the above mentioned bikes, the Trolls were shipping with really short steerer tubes, something that didn't work well on an XL frame. The Ogre had just come out. The ECR was due but not released yet. In some ways, while a bit long, the Ogre was the best of the bunch for me size wise. I'm still trying to figure out if I'm going to build up a new wheelset for it and what size to go with. I'm currently running RHs with ETs but am considering 27+. Also considering holding onto that money and getting a dedicated mountain bike.
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    Im looking to make my Ogre into a fatty city ripper... drops, 1x11, Maxxis Hookworms, and a carbon fork.

    Anyone run a carbon fork, recommendations?

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    Now with 27+

    The Ogre is now set-up with a 27+ wheelset--WTB i35 Asym Rims, Deore hubs, and 3.0 Knards. Tubeless.

    Haven't had a chance to ride it yet other than rambling around the city. Will hopefully get out this Mon or Tue. The BB definitely dropped and I think pretty significantly. I get the impression that the Knards run small. Still, I think it's going to be a great set-up.
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    Ogre riders: How did you size your seatpost length and did you cut it to length?

    I recently bought a Legacy Ogre frame in size Small. I'm attempting my first bike build. The seat post length I ordered, 350mm, was from the Ogre complete page:

    https://surlybikes.com/bikes/legacy/...ray/bike_specs

    When I inserted the seatpost into the seat tube, it only goes down as far as the top of the rounded curve in the seat tube. Based on another bike I have, the length from the saddle to BB will be about 3 inches too long at the maximum inserted seatpost on the Ogre. I probably should have gone with a 250mm seatpost instead.

    Anyone try to cut the seatpost down to fit and have any recommendations on how to do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmrfstar View Post
    Ogre riders: How did you size your seatpost length and did you cut it to length?

    I recently bought a Legacy Ogre frame in size Small. I'm attempting my first bike build. The seat post length I ordered, 350mm, was from the Ogre complete page:

    https://surlybikes.com/bikes/legacy/...ray/bike_specs

    When I inserted the seatpost into the seat tube, it only goes down as far as the top of the rounded curve in the seat tube. Based on another bike I have, the length from the saddle to BB will be about 3 inches too long at the maximum inserted seatpost on the Ogre. I probably should have gone with a 250mm seatpost instead.

    Anyone try to cut the seatpost down to fit and have any recommendations on how to do this?
    Can you take it to a local shop? There is a mechanic's pipe cutting tool that you screw tighten and roll in circles around an alloy pipe, like a seatpost or handlebars, while tightening it, with a small metal wheel doing the cutting. It makes really even cuts, which are very neat as compared to a hacksaw cut, especially with a couple of associated tools, a bur scraper for the inside and a pencil-sharpener like tool to make a small bevel on the external edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmrfstar View Post
    Anyone try to cut the seatpost down to fit and have any recommendations on how to do this?
    Quote Originally Posted by PDKL45 View Post
    Can you take it to a local shop? There is a mechanic's pipe cutting tool that you screw tighten and roll in circles around an alloy pipe, like a seatpost or handlebars, while tightening it, with a small metal wheel doing the cutting. It makes really even cuts, which are very neat as compared to a hacksaw cut, especially with a couple of associated tools, a bur scraper for the inside and a pencil-sharpener like tool to make a small bevel on the external edge.
    The type of tool PDKL45 mentioned works great, and is inexpensive. I have two of them, and have used them semi-regularly over the years. I use a Dremel tool with a grinding stone to do the final bevel, which is a key point, as the cutter will "bulge" the metal at the cut.

    When you're measuring, just allow for at least the same amount of minimum insertion marked on the existing seatpost.

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    Thanks for the advice here on cutting the seat tube. I ended up getting a Park Tool SG-6, and it worked great on cutting the seat tube. Needed it to cut the steerer tube anyway. Used a flat file and round file to smooth the outside and inside of the cut tubes.

    After a couple of tries (one first conservative length cut), got it to exactly the height I needed. The thicker walled aluminum seat post cut MUCH quicker than the thinner walled steel steerer tube.

    Pics from my build below from my first day riding. Covered about 35 miles of single track, multi track, and dirt MUP trails in 3 different locations.

    This is my first Surly, first bike build, and first SS MTB. It is so much fun.

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    New Ogre spec.

    Wow, Surly finally pulled it together and spec'd the Ogre appropriately. Out of the box I couldn't see changing anything on this other than the bar. I love that they did away with the canti mounts.

    My Ogre is still set-up with the LD stem and drop bars. I like it but still sorta wish I had it set-up with my Jones bars. Who knows, maybe I'll have to pick-up one of these frames when they're available and put it together with all the stuff I have laying around...

    Check it out:
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Wow, Surly finally pulled it together and spec'd the Ogre appropriately. Out of the box I couldn't see changing anything on this other than the bar. I love that they did away with the canti mounts.
    Strange to see a 1x drivetrain spec'ed on an Ogre. Times have changed I guess. Mine's still rocking 3x9!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    Strange to see a 1x drivetrain spec'ed on an Ogre. Times have changed I guess. Mine's still rocking 3x9!
    I have a 1x on mine and it's been great. Simple, quiet and no issues. Still feel like I have every gear I need. But probably not every gear you need if fully loaded...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    I have a 1x on mine and it's been great. Simple, quiet and no issues. Still feel like I have every gear I need. But probably not every gear you need if fully loaded...
    I also have 1x on my ogre, 32 front with an 18-18 rear. Also simple and quiet. (Pictures are a few posts above.) It has every gear I need.

    Also, I'm running my rim brake studded ogre with rim brakes. Rim brakes stop the bike. Sun rhyno lite 29er rims are rim brake compatible, light, and cost effective.

    I bought my frameset this spring. I had a choice between an older, new 135 O.L.D. ogre and newer, new 148 O.L.D ogre. Got the older 135 ogre since there's more affordable hub options in 135. And also, the 135 has an additional bottle mount inside the frame on the small. I don't think small riders need less water than medium riders.

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    one of the first things I did with my Ogre, after a few rides, was ditch the Moloko and switch to a Salsa Bend and a shorter stem. I'm not sure about going 1x. I've dipped into the small ring, even when the bikes is unloaded, on a few steep hills. It's not a lightweight rig...


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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Wow, Surly finally pulled it together and spec'd the Ogre appropriately. Out of the box I couldn't see changing anything on this other than the bar. I love that they did away with the canti mounts.

    My Ogre is still set-up with the LD stem and drop bars. I like it but still sorta wish I had it set-up with my Jones bars. Who knows, maybe I'll have to pick-up one of these frames when they're available and put it together with all the stuff I have laying around...

    Check it out:
    https://surlybikes.com/bikes/ogre/bike_specs
    It is a nice shade of red too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2whl-hoop View Post
    one of the first things I did with my Ogre, after a few rides, was ditch the Moloko and switch to a Salsa Bend and a shorter stem. I'm not sure about going 1x. I've dipped into the small ring, even when the bikes is unloaded, on a few steep hills. It's not a lightweight rig...

    What didn't you like about the Moloko bars?

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    Is the ogre essentially the same thing as the original km? What am I missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
    What didn't you like about the Moloko bars?
    Too much sweep. Plus, they are heavy as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Is the ogre essentially the same thing as the original km? What am I missing?
    Without looking at a spec sheet, I'd guess pretty similar. Probably a lower BB with the Ogre. The Ogre also doesn't have a suspension corrected fork, but it does have the Rube Goldberg rear dropouts and lots and lots of braze-ons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2whl-hoop View Post
    Without looking at a spec sheet, I'd guess pretty similar. Probably a lower BB with the Ogre. The Ogre also doesn't have a suspension corrected fork, but it does have the Rube Goldberg rear dropouts and lots and lots of braze-ons.
    G'day 2whl-hoop,
    I'm pretty sure that the Ogres did have a suspension corrected fork.
    My 2013 model Ogre required me to move a strut on my Velo Orange Pass Hunter rack for the reason that my fork was suspension corrected.
    Pics in the Ogre Build thread.
    Or have I missed that your referring to the newest Ogre?
    Mea Culpa if you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    G'day 2whl-hoop,
    I'm pretty sure that the Ogres did have a suspension corrected fork.
    My 2013 model Ogre required me to move a strut on my Velo Orange Pass Hunter rack for the reason that my fork was suspension corrected.
    Pics in the Ogre Build thread.
    Or have I missed that your referring to the newest Ogre?


    Mea Culpa if you are
    We're both correct!
    Perusing Surly's website, indeed, earlier Ogres did have suspension corrected forks. The last iteration, which I have, and the newest version do not.

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    The 2019 Surly Ogre Emerges - BIKEPACKING.com

    2019 model now available in red. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's the first time the Ogre's ever had a non-earth tone color. Cheaper price tag for complete with a 1x10 drivetrain and Salsa bend bars, instead of the Moloko. Canti studs have also gone.

    I like the suggestion in the short write up above of using a Sunrace 11-46 cassette, I don't know why they didn't do it, it can't cost all that much more than a Microshift cassette and it would offer a much nicer climbing gear.

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    Wow, it's only now that I realized cantilever bosses on the new frame are no more. Yet they don't seem to be completely gone. I've just checked Surly's new webpage and Ogre's Frame Specs say:
    Disc - 51mm I.S. (160mm max rotor)
    Rim - Canti (removable posts)"

    So you can still mount canti studs which is good news. I only ever use discs now but itís nice to have that option in case of emergency. I can only hope Surly will do same on the next Disc Trucker.

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    The specs are clearly a retaining some copy/paste errors... You cannot mount canti studs on the new ogre.

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    I see. It's probably copy/pasted from the Troll then. The ECR has the same error.

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    My Ogre is back to sporting a 29er wheels and Ets. Anyone out there used these fenders with ETs? They seem like they might work. I certainly have clearance for fenders.

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    I use modified planet bike cascadias on my ECR with ETs... Not ideal, but it works well enough. I've run then with a variety of 3 and 2.5 inch tires... better than nothing with 3s, actually pretty effective with 2.5s.

    surly ogre-screenshot_20190223-094348.jpg

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    I got Cascadias on my BD and the ETs won't work but may need longer stays. I've actually got some SKS fenders that may work with the BD and ETs although tentative plan is to put those on the Crust. But for the Ogre I'd be starting from scratch and likely just go with the fenders I linked.

    That ECR looks sweet.
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    Which Sks fenders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    Which Sks fenders?
    https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...83&category=78
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    What year did the Orge get boost on the rear? Are there any off the shelf forks that will fit the Orge that are 110x15mm front axles? I am assuming at ~40mm AC length increase is just too much?
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    Hello Ogre owners, I need your help. I would like to buy a Ogre frameset 2019/2020 but I am not sure that the XL size will be correct for me. I have 97 cm/ 38.2 inch inseam and on other bikes my saddle height is 87 cm/34.3 inch. Do you think that the saddle can reach that height?
    Thank you!

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    Updated pic of my 2014 Ogre. Lately Iíve been running 700x50 Soma Cazadero tires but decided to try out a set of Rene Herse 700x55. Tires roll surprisingly well.

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    I am going to make the plunge and change the drivetrain on my 2013 Ogre, 3x9 to 1x12 Sram Eagle NX. Any pointers or tips from anybody that has done this?? I'll post a before and after pic.

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    Long, long time since I've posted. I have a 2014, large Ogre. Has anyone tried to fit a Vittoria Mezcal 2.6 in the rear or a Maxxis Chronicle 3.0 up front? Thanks

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    Anyone ride the Ogre regularly with a rear rack with about 25 lbs of weight? How does it work? Too much flex? Size medium and Iím about 150 lbs. pretty strong rider.

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    I have not done as you suggested, but I can speculate that you at 150 pounds, plus another 25 pounds, would not create too much flex. Those bikes are built for loaded touring ridden by people much larger than 150 pounds. I suspect a cheap rack might flex, but not the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    I have not done as you suggested, but I can speculate that you at 150 pounds, plus another 25 pounds, would not create too much flex. Those bikes are built for loaded touring ridden by people much larger than 150 pounds. I suspect a cheap rack might flex, but not the bike.
    Thanks for answering so quickly. I have an Old Man Mountain Pioneer Rack, so no problem, there.

    I use that rack on my KM to let my small dog ride. Problem is it's a pain to take off and on, and the KM really does best without it on singletrack. Plus, I just got rid of the 29" wheels on the KM and replaced with 3" 27.5. And it's a single speed. REally need a good all around bike for multi-surfaces where I can carry or pull a load. I'm concerned that the ECR would be overbuilt a lot of the time, but worried the Ogre won't always be ideal. So, sound better than the ECR for this application?

    And in other news, Surly is coming out with a new Ogre next week. (I'll not say how I know, but it's definite). Supposed to be neither drab in color, nor too bright. Which works for me. I don't know what other, if any, changes may happen.
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    The new Ogre is out, wonít be available until mid February, but some nice changes. Rear TA and the build is a little better. No Microsoft shifters. Deore. Donít remember what else changed.


    https://surlybikes.com/bikes/ogre

    Nice blue. Would like to see it in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    The new Ogre is out, wonÔŅĹt be available until mid February, but some nice changes. Rear TA and the build is a little better. No Microsoft shifters. Deore. DonÔŅĹt remember what else changed. https://surlybikes.com/bikes/ogre Nice blue. Would like to see it in person.
    Any changes to the frame that you can see, or is it just a different build and colors? Looking at getting an Ogre frameset with a Rohloff 10x135 QR, seems like it should still fit. Also, I am looking to put Paul Klampers on an Ogre frame with Son 28 6 bolt dynamo and a Rohloff TS DB. The Ogre brake compatibility is listed as 51mm IS, but the Klampers seem to be 74mm. Is this what the Ogre brake adapter fixes? Kind of confused by all the disc brake standards. Thanks for any help.

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    Donít know, do you have a decent bike mechanic you could ask?

    I think Iím going to order one. I need a a good anythingí bike now that I put 3 inch wheels on the KM. The geometry of this one will certainly work for hard surfaces with its 72 deg. HTA.
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    Those slate-wall ETs look badass with the blue frame; best looking Ogre since they changed the geo, IMO.

    Still, it's funny that they went with red and then blue for the Ogre. It always had earth tones, even after the Gnot-boost/non-suspension correction changes, until the last couple of models.

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