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    Surly Lowside

    Oh boy look what I found.

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    Hot damn! I like that thing. It's very "Surly", and I think that's what we've all been missing.
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    Bmx??
    I like turtles

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    *Ooooooohhhh, Heellll-oooo There? Cue up the Tom Wait's reference.

    Found huh? Link please, even if via pm or fb.

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    looks like a fun bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    looks like a fun bike!
    I've been expecting something similar...I'm actually building a big version! My ECR is SS, wearing DWs, and I've got the big old Sunrise bar on order.

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    Not surprised to see this. I remember thinking after the release of the Sunrise bar that maybe they'd make some kind of clunker to go with it.
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    Looks like it has a lot lower bottom bracket (Lowside?) than the Troll. Clearance for 26 x 3" tires, a non-suspension corrected CURVED fork, derailleur hanger and much better looking than the Troll. This may be the perfect Surly for me.

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    Interesting they made it a 44mm head tube with the non-corrected fork. What fork would you replace it with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Interesting they made it a 44mm head tube with the non-corrected fork. What fork would you replace it with?
    Thought the same thing


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    kinda wish it had more of a BMX style fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by racefit View Post
    Thought the same thing
    x's 3. Not sure what I'd replace it with as far as OE-Steel, maybe a straight fork, as for suspended, a Fox or RockShox, simple and proven worth in those.

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    i wonder if i can still get away with a piece of plywood propped up on a milk crate for a ramp these days....and i'm gonna need to get my wheelie and manual skills dialed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    i wonder if i can still get away with a piece of plywood propped up on a milk crate for a ramp these days....and i'm gonna need to get my wheelie and manual skills dialed...
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    i guess i can get my karate monkey back from matterhorn and grab a set of those bars and try it that way...

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    Cowabunga!

    This could be you! Just remember 2 things--1) never ever ever let go of the bars 2) wear white pants. Good luck!
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    44mm head tube looks stupid.

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    stupid bad or stupid good? lol

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    That is exactly my thoughts

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    I’d been thinking the same thing! Sunrise on the KM would be worth a try. I can bring it back anytime.

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    Reminds me of my Krampus. With MTB geos getting longer this bike is feeling more and more like an adult BMX.



    Maybe that was the plan all along.
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    a perfect time for a waxed canvas surly/converse all star riding shoe and line of flannel shirts with built in beard coozies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    a perfect time for a waxed canvas surly/converse all star riding shoe and line of flannel shirts with built in beard coozies!
    The skinnier the pant legs, the better.

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    It looks like reintroduced first-gen 1x1 or anniversary 1x1=11, size XS.
    And as I can see, HT is not 44mm but normal 1-1/8, from the pic.

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    Cool. Those are some skinny tubes bet it will ride awesome!


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    Quote Originally Posted by lpt1 View Post
    It looks like reintroduced first-gen 1x1 or anniversary 1x1=11, size XS.
    And as I can see, HT is not 44mm but normal 1-1/8, from the pic.
    Exactly what I thought.
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    Looking at it again, I now think it is a normal straight head tube. Nice!
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    Is this the 1X1 replacement then?

    After seemingly quite some time of general inactivity and a lot of criticism we now have four new / updated models in as may weeks. Added to that the 3 models announced are more or less available immediately. Surly turning professional?

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    Do I see a derailleur hanger on the frame?
    I like turtles

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Do I see a derailleur hanger on the frame?
    I'd say yes. But no cable routing on drive side rear triangle.

    Possibly mudguard / rack eyelets also but only on the rear.

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    I don't get it..and I'm a guy who liked the latest 26+ Instigator (that most didn't)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    I don't get it..and I'm a guy who liked the latest 26+ Instigator (that most didn't)...
    I don't have any interest in it either. I wasn't really stoked about the Instigator, but that was a bike I would have some use for.

    Surly must figure there is a market for it.
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    this doesnt appear to be a "useful" bike in the sense i think you mean...i does however look like a fun bike...

    im pretty sure i can throw a pair of sunrise bars on my karate monkey and achieve more or less the same thing...

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    26x3 or 27.5x2.8 for sure (would assume that means at least 29x2.0 as well)
    44 mm Headtube
    Single Speed with Hanger but no routing for cables.
    front and rear thru axles

    looks like a snug nut on back.


    I'd say that this is a 1x1 replacement with a bit of versatility. I don't really get the 44 headtube unless its rated for a suspension length fork. . .

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    I think I do see a freehub & spacer kit, to go with the derailleur hanger. Like the KM SS. I don't see the rack mounts @essexboyuk mentioned

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    Interesting how the seat stays join the top tube. Need a few close ups.
    Are the tires 27.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WMBigs View Post
    Are the tires 27.5?
    Dirt Wizard 26 x 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    I don't see the rack mounts @essexboyuk mentioned
    There's an eyelet on the rear drop out but no bolts on the seat stay. No eyelet on the forks either. Useful for running rear fenders only!?!??!

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    Well, there's lots of alternatives, I suppose. P-clamps, or the special seat collars. A bike with low seat stays like this doesn't work so great with the rack stays anyhow. But it still seems weird what braze-ons they've included and which are missing.

    So here's a question. This shows 3" tires with clearance. Does that make it a fat bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    So here's a question. This shows 3" tires with clearance. Does that make it a fat bike?
    No. 3" is not a "fatbike". That's a "plus" bike.
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    I'm tellin' ya, It's a bmx bike on steroids. No racks or fenders. I want to buzz around my neighborhood on it jumping off everyone's driveway aprons.
    I like turtles

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    You can fit a rack or fenders on that bike no problem and you can keep it stripped down for urban assault mayhem. Typical Surly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    No. 3" is not a "fatbike". That's a "plus" bike.
    26 + 3 + clearance to what? 3.8? 4-something?

    I'm having some trouble with photo resolution. Is that a cable stop on the tug nut or is it an eyelet on top of the dropout? Either would make sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    ...So here's a question. This shows 3" tires with clearance. Does that make it a fat bike?
    Good question. I wonder if we could cram in a skinny fat tyre - like the Fat Be Nimble which is more like 3½" than its claimed 4". That would make it the perfect 3 season bike for my riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMBigs View Post
    Interesting how the seat stays join the top tube. Need a few close ups.
    Are the tires 27.5?
    about how the seat stays contact the tt, this might explain it.

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    does anyone know when the embargo ends? so we can see ALL the specs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manida View Post
    kinda wish it had more of a BMX style fork
    Agree. A straight-leg fork would visually evoke BMX more. The curved fork legs remind me of someone throwing bmx bars on an old road bike...

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    I guess I see 1x1 updated to current standard, not BMX.

    Any theories on price? The build seems quite similar to the KM SS. The frame has fewer features but it might have some better parts.
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    someone use the force and manifest the geo chart please....readyyyy, GO!

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    This bike faces tough competition from SE bikes OM Duro.

    OM-Duro 27.5"+ - Retro Series, Bikes | SEBikes.com

    For me it would have to be in the same price range, and even then I'm probably buying the SE, but I'm an old BMXer.

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    Looks like good honest SS gear ratio. None of that, "gear it for your steepest climb" nonsense that became SS MTBing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawReynolds View Post
    ... None of that, "gear it for your steepest climb" nonsense that became SS MTBing.
    That's always been a nonsense. Gear for what covers the bulk of your riding and hike-a-bike for the few bits you can't climb.

    But there's no universal standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    That's always been a nonsense. Gear for what covers the bulk of your riding and hike-a-bike for the few bits you can't climb.

    But there's no universal standard.
    Back in the 90's/early 2000's it 2-1 or bust. There was even a website called 32-16. Not 32-20😜. 2-1 ensures riding fast over a wide variety of terrain for a fit individual and there were no unfit SS'ers in those days. I was riding with a pro XC MTB on a 5-6 hour ride a dozen years or so ago. We were on SS even tho he admitted how he thought how silly SS was. We discussed gearing and his take on it was, "why bother riding SS if all yer gonna do is gear low enough where you completely spin out on the flats?" So true. SS is supposed to be hard, no accommodating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenmonkey View Post
    someone use the force and manifest the geo chart please....readyyyy, GO!
    Bikes like this don't need geo charts. They need a rider and some time to kill, and maybe a mailbox to smash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    Bikes like this don't need geo charts. They need a rider and some time to kill, and maybe a mailbox to smash.
    LOL, agreed. I have a medium 1x1 that's a lot of fun, albeit a bit small and I had plans to source a large 1x1 this spring if there were any kicking around my hood. The Lowside might change those plans....

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    while we wait for it to come out...

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    I'll play.

    I have had it for 3 weeks, I think? Almost done with it. I've been riding it a whole lot as I'm making the changes from the stock gear. So far...

    KS LEV Integra 150
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    27.5x3.0 Nobby Nic TS-F/ PS-R
    Robert Axle Project rear axle for BoB Ibex trailer for hauling trail tools. Already have pulled a big load with this thing. PERFECT platform for the job!

    Left to do....
    Shimano XT bottom bracket
    Race Face Aeffect crankset w/30T Oval
    Switching over a recently built set of RF Arc35/Hope Pro4 boost hubs wheelset. The bike they're coming from is getting fresh carbonfan wheels with Hopes.

    "Maybe" a Pike RCT3 in the future. I'm enjoying the rigid for now, though.

    I am absolutely loving this bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69tr6r View Post
    This bike faces tough competition from SE bikes OM Duro.

    OM-Duro 27.5"+ - Retro Series, Bikes | SEBikes.com

    For me it would have to be in the same price range, and even then I'm probably buying the SE, but I'm an old BMXer.
    Hopefully the slammed seat on the SE is for photos only. But then again I'm not really a BMX guy either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    while we wait for it to come out...

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    Very Nice! What kind of bars are those?

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    they're the surly sunrise bars...

    spent some more time tinkering with the karate monkey faux-rise...

    changed cranks,running a 26/19 gear for wheelie ease...and added the bash ring because it looks bitchen! put on a rabbithole/chronicle combo for basically the same reason...different stem (which i already changed to a flatter 110mm)

    think i need to cut the bars down some,they are honkin wide...but i think its about there...easy to get the front wheel up while not being annoying to cruise around on,bunny hops well,actually pretty comfy...
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    Any word on this bike yet? Id totally buy it if it were in the $500 price range, but that is highly doubtful...

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    It looks pretty similar overall to the KM SS so that's where I'd get my guess for price

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawReynolds View Post
    ...SS is supposed to be hard, no accommodating.
    No it's not. That's an attitude from the brief period when SS was a macho niche thing.

    Singlespeeding existed before that, and continues after.

    It's about having a simple light reliable bike so the ride is about the ride, not the bike. Your body adjusts to whatever you choose to run as gearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velobike View Post
    it's about having a simple light reliable bike so the ride is about the ride, not the bike. Your body adjusts to whatever you choose to run as gearing.
    yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    No it's not. That's an attitude from the brief period when SS was a macho niche thing.
    Many of us older SSers are still around and share the same ideas on the matter.

    Singlespeeding existed before that, and continues after.
    Say it isn't so

    It's about having a simple light reliable bike so the ride is about the ride, not the bike. Your body adjusts to whatever you choose to run as gearing.
    They don't have to be light, many aren't. Your body adjusts, but if you have a tool box full of different cogs and chainrings and you change your gearing for a particular ride then your body isn't really adjusting. You might as well just run gears and pick a different one for each location and don't shift. By swapping chainrings/cogs/chains to suit the terrain, you've just made what should be the most simple pure way of riding way more complicated than riding a geared bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawReynolds View Post
    Many of us older SSers are still around and share the same ideas on the matter.

    They don't have to be light, many aren't. Your body adjusts, but if you have a tool box full of different cogs and chainrings and you change your gearing for a particular ride then your body isn't really adjusting. You might as well just run gears and pick a different one for each location and don't shift. By swapping chainrings/cogs/chains to suit the terrain, you've just made what should be the most simple pure way of riding way more complicated than riding a geared bike.
    I don't know how old you are, but I suspect I have been around SS much longer.

    When I started riding SS it was the normal set up of a bike and the standard gearing supplied was between 60-65", but mtbs hadn't been even thought off then. We did our offroad riding on dropbar racers.

    (You'd remove the derailleur and fit a flipflop hub, freewheel one side, fixed cog the other for when you bust the freewheel, although the hard men rode fixed all the time. We'd build our wheel with tubulars because the rims were stronger and tubs are more difficult to pinchflat.)

    My recollection of when SS became popular on mtbs was that 32/16 existed purely because it was hard to do anything else.

    The only rear cogs available in most places were BMX 16 tooth, and the smallest ring for the front was 32 unless you used the very small granny ring like the trials guys.

    I remember how hard it was to get an 18t cog, bike shops didn't stock them, you had to special order, then wait ages. Once on-line trading became more common, that's when we saw the proliferation of small niche manufacturers producing SS stuff and plenty choice of cogs.

    They don't have to be light, many aren't.
    True.

    When I say light I mean unencumbered by unnecessary option fittings. But even a bike built out of the heaviest material, ie steel, is not heavy if you have no excess technology like derailleurs, suspension, or dropper posts on it. BTW the lugged steel bikes we were riding offroad in the 1950s and 60s rarely exceeded 20lbs - but give me a modern mtb any day.

    Some purists would argue against the freewheel too...


    Your body adjusts, but if you have a tool box full of different cogs and chainrings and you change your gearing for a particular ride then your body isn't really adjusting. You might as well just run gears and pick a different one for each location and don't shift. By swapping chainrings/cogs/chains to suit the terrain, you've just made what should be the most simple pure way of riding way more complicated than riding a geared bike.
    Fortunately the UCI hasn't got involved in singlespeed, so we have no restrictions. It's about the ride, not the bike.

    I'll run a different ratio for a 24 hour race than a short one of say 6 hours. I'll also alter what ratio I use for local stuff if I have a long ride and need to do a lot of road on it.

    And while I regard suspension and dropper posts as excess technology, others differ and use them, as is their right. It's their bike, their ride, and there's no rules.
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    Bars look great!

    How do they feel?

    Stiff?

    How is the back sweep?


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    Bars look great!

    How do they feel?

    Stiff?

    How is the back sweep?


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    Trails are still muddy and icy, I already took off studded tires and I use KM mainly for easy flowy trails (got Krampus for more gnarly stuff) so hard to say on stiffness, etc.
    I had Jones Loop bars on it before and with Sunrise it is more upright and more comfortable. Sweep is great - good control and leverage when going fast. And because they are so wide - very comfy when you just place your hands on the edges, feels like very wide drops and that you can cruise for hours.

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    Any more info on this yet?

    And also, I may be in the minority, but I'd sure love a simple "red" or "blue" paint job as an option. Black is cool and all, but some times too much black. Just think how nice that would look with a fire engine red frame & fork??
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    Black is boring as hell, IMO. I really wanted but could only find a black Karate Monkey frame recently and I refused to buy it for that reason. I was elated when I stumbled on a brand new 'Rhymes with Orange" complete bike. I couldn't get my money out of my pocket fast enough even though I really just wanted the frame. All that's in use of the original components are the wheels.

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    I'd also like more info. Does it include the beer? Perspiring minds want to know.

    At least it's metallic. How sure is everyone that it's black? My mild colorblindness has some trouble sometimes with dark green / brown / gray colors. For instance I've also been shopping the Marin Pine Mountain and that color threw me. Lowside is obviously different from seatpost to frame although that could just be the difference in finish. Could it be a graphite / gunmetal shade?

    I'm not that fond of the name, it's one of the three main categories of motorcycle wrecks (the others being highside and running into things). But it's not a dealbreaker, I can always call it the shinyside, which you are supposed to keep up

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    I'd like to see it offered in pink or white. Black isn't a deal breaker for me tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongol777 View Post
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    That looks great! What rims are you running? Dually's? both 29 or B+ in the back?
    Thanks!

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    That looks great! What rims are you running? Dually's? both 29 or B+ in the back?
    Thanks!
    Thank you! Good eye - dually's front and back with Nobby Nics 29x2.6 (actual is around 2.5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongol777 View Post
    Thank you! Good eye - dually's front and back with Nobby Nics 29x2.6 (actual is around 2.5).
    What's the internal width on those hoops? I've been thinking about throwing some 2.6 NN's on a set of 9'r hoops I have for my other Plus bike. Usually those Schwalbes go at least out to their nominal size but I've always run them on a pretty wide rim. This time around they'd be on just i30.

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    What's the internal width on those hoops? I've been thinking about throwing some 2.6 NN's on a set of 9'r hoops I have for my other Plus bike. Usually those Schwalbes go at least out to their nominal size but I've always run them on a pretty wide rim. This time around they'd be on just i30.
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    So can anyone tell when this might be released? I'm debating between a Monkey and a Krampus right now and trying to pick a year of used, or see if I can find an orange frame, or wait for new colors... This bike is obviously in the same vein except for having fewer accoutrements.

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    Perhaps it will be released at Sea Otter in a few weeks? That seems like the crowd that would appreciate this.
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    The Bridge Club was just released so hopefully we have more details on the Lowside soon. Looks like a blast! Though I now have my ECR set up single speed so maybe I don’t need one...

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    thanks for the info! I reckon we might expect a 27,5 ExtraTerrestrial soon..

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    I'm anticipating this bike quite a bit. Seems like a great cruiser/bar bike. I also spy a port on the seat tube for internal dropper routing which will make it fun on the pump track!

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    hopefully it has a tab for a coaster brake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Rhubarb View Post
    hopefully it has a tab for a coaster brake...
    Keen understanding of the concept, Johnny!

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    ....now listet on german Distributor's (cosmicsports. de) Website

    - Surly Lowside MTB-Frameset 26+/27,5"

    - Color "rainbow in the dark"

    - EUR799,- (same price as a KM frameset!)

    - Sizes XS,S,M,L,XL

    - no picture yet

    - not available yet

    - Frameset only until now, no complete bikes

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    Surly FB page shows a launch event on Thursday... not for this specifically or alone, probably

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    Out to ride

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    Anyone see a price?

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    $1200 msrp
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    You guys are on it! I was still looking over specs. Haven’t found a price yet but I really want one!

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    I think it's a bit over priced. I'll say it again, SE Bikes sells the OM Duro with gears for $300 less. If Surly had this at $999 for msrp I think it would be more competitive.

    Great vid though, and I think they will sell a lot of those Sunrise Bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    $1200 msrp
    Puff, puff, and pass...

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    There's about 10 of these in each size...in stock and ready. It may be a few months before these pop up again, so if you're interested in impulse shopping, better hit up your LBS quick.
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    Ouch. I was a player at under $1000.

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    Any word on frame availability or pricing? This is almost a rigid specific B+ bike, which is something I've been thinking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Any word on frame availability or pricing? This is almost a rigid specific B+ bike, which is something I've been thinking about.
    $600 frameset, ~10 of each size available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Endomorph View Post
    Yup, embargo's over. Time to drool. Too bad I'm down and out w the stomach flu because I was hoping to see and get to play with one at Sea Otter.

    *I gotta admire the sweet California Trails (and the town) used for the video, but I'm biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69tr6r View Post
    I think it's a bit over priced. I'll say it again, SE Bikes sells the OM Duro with gears for $300 less. If Surly had this at $999 for msrp I think it would be more competitive.

    Great vid though, and I think they will sell a lot of those Sunrise Bars.
    Have you ridden both bikes back to back? Maybe it's just me but I can't stand the OM Duro. Something about the SE's always makes them feel like heavy tanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obi View Post
    Have you ridden both bikes back to back? Maybe it's just me but I can't stand the OM Duro. Something about the SE's always makes them feel like heavy tanks.
    I have not ridden either bike. No doubt the SE is a big heavy bike, I think 38 lbs!

    I was just trying to point out that I think Surly is charging a bit too much for this bike. If SE can do it for $899 and include gears, then why can't Surly? They are pretty comparable spec wise, chromo frame, rigid fork, disc breaks, etc.

    I would say SE and Surly are a similar size company too, so it's not like one has a huge buying power over the other. If anything, QBP owns Surly so that should give them a little buying advantage I would think.

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    Bmx??
    if Surly made a true 20" BMX, I would be on that in a second!!!

    This looks pretty interesting though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Reminds me of my Krampus. With MTB geos getting longer this bike is feeling more and more like an adult BMX.



    Maybe that was the plan all along.
    that's one of the reasons why I got my Krampus...feels more like a BMX than a MTB
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    $600 frameset, ~10 of each size available.
    $600? In their blog post announcement they were justifying not putting any rack/fender/etc. mounts on it to save cost. How is it the same price as a KM then?

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    I think the blog post wording does set it up for sticker shock. Sparkle paint costs more than single color, but I'm having trouble figuring out why it's this expensive. The frameset is $25 less than the Karate Monkey, but the complete costs $1 more than the SS 29'er KM. And the KM has nicer parts...
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    Price does seem out of line, but it looks like crazy fun. The suspension Geo chart...what a little ripper either little, wide wheels, short stays, stiff fork, a dropper and no gears to mess with...

    My Krampus was kind of going to be that bike, but with big wheels, and I am loving it with gears. N+1...

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    I was all until I saw $1200 and then I was

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    $1200 seems like way too much for this. Pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy79 View Post
    I was all until I saw $1200 and then I was
    Yeah, seems a bit pricey for a SS bike but is otherwise nice. For my uses a SS Karate Monkey would be more practical.

    For those in PDX, Universal appears to have a L and XL in stock.
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    Well, shoot. Surly has done very well lately at releasing some decent bikes that I have no interest in riding. But this one is tempting.

    It needs a rack, though. I guess it has a mount point at the dropout, and the right seatpost collar can substitute for the top connections...

    Just can't see a bombing-around-town/beer bike that doesn't also have a place for me to stash some beer for home, or a jacket.

    But then should I also take into consideration that I have neither the need or space or money for another bike? Probably not.

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    Gnot Boost Spacing question:
    From Lowrider announcement:

    Lowside’s Gnot-Boost rear spacing is compatible with ... as well as 135 x 10mm QR hubs (when using 10/12 Adapter Washers).
    From the explanation of Gnot Boost on a blog post about the ECR:

    Just like the new Troll and Ogre, the updated ECR is built around the new Troll dropout and 12mm x 145mm Surly Gnot-Boost spacing. ... By using Surly 10/12 Adapter Washers you can also run 10 x 135mm bolt on or 135mm QR hubs.
    The difference I'm seeing is that Gnot Boost dropouts on the Troll/Ogre/ECR specifically mention a way to use a bolt-on 135mm hub. The Lowrider only mentions quick release.

    Is there any reason the bolt on would not also be compatible? I haven't dealt with Gnot Boost spacing yet as my Troll pre-dates that change. My Troll also has a 40mm-rim wheelset that doesn't get as much use as I would like that has a 135mm, bolt-on hub. Having some wheels built and ready to go would make a frame purchase like that more tempting...

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    A bolt on solid axle is compatible when used with the adapter washer. See this:https://surlybikes.com/uploads/downl...00288_INST.pdf

    QBP Part Number: HU0001, lots in stock. There's a slight chance this part is included with the frameset.
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    I have Gnot Boost on my Krampus (But it IS Boost). I don't see why a bolt on axle wouldn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Yeah, seems a bit pricey for a SS bike but is otherwise nice. For my uses a SS Karate Monkey would be more practical.

    For those in PDX, Universal appears to have a L and XL in stock.
    A karate monkey ss would be way more practical for me too. But I've also got under $100 into my SS beater bike, so I can't really justify the price for what would be a goofing off bike (although aren't they all really?)

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    So, folks, please help me. If I don't have any interest in either a dropper post, or suspension, or through-axles, shouldn't common sense and rationality tell me that I should rather get a Troll, as it is a bit more versatile? The key geometry numbers don't differ hugely. I do love Lowsides 'Rainbow in the Dark' color very much though.

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    The more I look at this bike I dig it more. I do think, after digging through my parts bin, that with a dropper post, suspension fork, and set up 1x10 this would be rad. But then, I should probably just find an Insta 2.0...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_E View Post

    It needs a rack, though. I guess it has a mount point at the dropout, and the right seatpost collar can substitute for the top connections...

    Just can't see a bombing-around-town/beer bike that doesn't also have a place for me to stash some beer for home, or a jacket.
    There's these things called backpacks.....

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    I like the stock 32-16 gearing. The way single speed MTB's were meant to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawReynolds View Post
    There's these things called backpacks.....
    that's what I was thinking.
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    didn't transition sell the klunker for like $500 complete?

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    the two are very different bikes, although the intended purpose (mischief) is similar...

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    My guess (and it's just that) is that the Troll's tubing is quite a bit more stout than the Lowsides, like the way the Ogre uses thicker tubing than the KM (not sure about the latest model, but this was true when the Ogre first came out). Some people might like the extra stiffness, but most Surlys are already overbuilt to a degree, so adding more steel doesn't help the feel, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Rhubarb View Post
    So, folks, please help me. If I don't have any interest in either a dropper post, or suspension, or through-axles, shouldn't common sense and rationality tell me that I should rather get a Troll, as it is a bit more versatile? The key geometry numbers don't differ hugely. I do love Lowsides 'Rainbow in the Dark' color very much though.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawReynolds View Post
    There's these things called backpacks.....
    Perfectly fine choice if that's how you roll. Not every bike needs a rack. But right now, every bike I ride needs one. I'm not going to carry an empty backpack just in case I find something to put in it. But I'll happily ride with an empty rack. That's just me.

    For me, a bike with a rack is a useful piece of equipment you can also have a lot of fun on. A bike without a rack is a toy.

    I got nothing against toys, but if I'm going to spend hundreds of dollars on it, then I'm more likely to part with the money if it's not just a toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_E View Post
    Perfectly fine choice if that's how you roll. Not every bike needs a rack. But right now, every bike I ride needs one. I'm not going to carry an empty backpack just in case I find something to put in it. But I'll happily ride with an empty rack. That's just me.

    For me, a bike with a rack is a useful piece of equipment you can also have a lot of fun on. A bike without a rack is a toy.

    I got nothing against toys, but if I'm going to spend hundreds of dollars on it, then I'm more likely to part with the money if it's not just a toy.
    Whoever said anything bout carrying an empty backpack? Before heading out for a ride, load that sucker up with rocks. It'll give you a bonus workout, then if you find something that you want to put in the backpack, like say a hoagie or a blown up discarded droppah post or some pirate booty, just take some rocks out to make room for your newly acquired stuff and be on your way and ride it like ya stole it.👍

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    Man, looking at that build spec, I am NOT seeing $600 of value there. Of course no derailers, but Promax cable brakes? Formula hubs? Seems like a better route to buy the frame and build it that way.

    By comparison, going from the $400 Timberjack frame to the $1000 Timberback bike gets you Tektro hyrdo brakes (pretty good!) AND an 11 speed drivetrain AND a suspension fork. They're from the same darn distributor. Surly needs to borrow Salsa's Product Manager for a year.
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    I guess with such a limited quantity they don’t care, they will sell out in no time. I really want one but have a hard time that it’s the same price as the Karate Monkey ss. Just looks like a blast. Maybe I can get a flat black one for $200 less?

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    Nothing unexpected

    But this would have been a nice opportunity for them to sell a bike with Surly parts.

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    There's these things called backpacks.....
    Use this all the time, just clip it to your belt & unpack if required:

    https://www.seatosummit.co.uk/produc...-sil-day-pack/

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    I'd buy the frameset and handlebars and build the rest up with an Aeffect crankset, Wolftooth chainring, Hope hubs for maximum loudness and Deore brakes. Probably Flow Mk3 for rims with all the stickers peeled off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subversion View Post
    Use this all the time, just clip it to your belt & unpack if required:

    https://www.seatosummit.co.uk/produc...-sil-day-pack/
    That things perfect 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by subversion View Post
    Use this all the time, just clip it to your belt & unpack if required:

    https://www.seatosummit.co.uk/produc...-sil-day-pack/
    I like the looks of that, and I may have to get one to put in my touring/travel gear.

    But for daily riding, every morning I head out the door to work, usually without much time to spare. I currently have two bikes, and whichever one I grab, I slide my Topeak trunk bag on to the rack and head out. If all my daily gear is in a trunk bag, and one bike doesn't have a rear rack, then that bike isn't going anywhere. Which means 5 days a week that bike sits unused, which means it's basically a toy, strictly for goofing around on on the weekends. Nice idea, but I'm not in the market for a bike that sits in the workshop 5 days a week.

    Still, I suspect you can fit a rack to this bike. I'm going to keep my eye on it because it does look like something I could enjoy building and riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_E View Post
    I like the looks of that, and I may have to get one to put in my touring/travel gear.
    Yes had mine since 2011 & it's still going strong! always take it on tours for general use around campsite etc. invaluable bit of kit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_E View Post
    I like the looks of that, and I may have to get one to put in my touring/travel gear.

    But for daily riding, every morning I head out the door to work, usually without much time to spare. I currently have two bikes, and whichever one I grab, I slide my Topeak trunk bag on to the rack and head out. If all my daily gear is in a trunk bag, and one bike doesn't have a rear rack, then that bike isn't going anywhere. Which means 5 days a week that bike sits unused, which means it's basically a toy, strictly for goofing around on on the weekends. Nice idea, but I'm not in the market for a bike that sits in the workshop 5 days a week.

    Still, I suspect you can fit a rack to this bike. I'm going to keep my eye on it because it does look like something I could enjoy building and riding.
    Sounds to me like you'd be much better off with the new Bridge Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawReynolds View Post
    Sounds to me like you'd be much better off with the new Bridge Club.
    Interesting. I have zero interest in the Bridge Club. I guess we’ll see how the Lowside does when it’s in some people’s hands. Maybe it is 100 percent fun without the ability to have the minimal utility I need in a bike, but I definitely am not in the in the market for another touring bike.

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    I dig the lowside. Looking forward to actual reports. Hopefully companies keep offering complete singlespeeds that don't totally suck.


    However, I'm not seeing a huge difference between this and the SS KM. Wheel setup, bars, minor geo* tweaks, what else am I missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasnavy05 View Post
    didn't transition sell the klunker for like $500 complete?

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    Spot on. I am bummed I missed out on the Klunker, but I was hoping the Lowside would fill that niche void for me. I was guessing around $800 for the complete, but I was WAY off base. I will wait for the used Lowsides to pop up in a year when the newness wears off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1035 View Post
    I dig the lowside. Looking forward to actual reports. Hopefully companies keep offering complete singlespeeds that don't totally suck.


    However, I'm not seeing a huge difference between this and the SS KM. Wheel setup, bars, minor George tweaks, what else am I missing?
    Agreed on the KM. Honestly, it is a better value too.

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    It's like they set out to build a brand-statement frame and then just built it up from the parts bin. The Surly pieces are the frame, handlebar, and tires. Don't you think it'd be more interesting if this came with Rabbit Hole rims Surly hubs and crank?

    Some of the articles that have come out from Sea Otter mention they had a demo bike there with a suspension fork and the bike can take up to a 120mm fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryeti View Post
    Agreed on the KM. Honestly, it is a better value too.

    Ummmm, they're actually quite a bit different.

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    i was hoping with Sea Otter there might be a ride report or two by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawReynolds View Post
    Ummmm, they're actually quite a bit different.
    Yes, they are different. But in the grand scheme of things, two similarly priced single speeds that are close enough seems odd. KM is a better value still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HacksawReynolds View Post
    Ummmm, they're actually quite a bit different.
    Honest question- what are the differences you would actually perceive while riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Railtrail View Post
    Honest question- what are the differences you would actually perceive while riding?
    Sort of my point as well.

    Geo (comparing Med to Med): 1 degree difference in HT/ST angles, 4mm difference in seat tube lengths, 2mm difference in CS lengths, 3mm difference in WB, 8mm difference in actual TT, and ~18mm difference in reach. I think the reach is the most drastic difference.

    Tire clearance looks to be about the same on both, so hypothetically they could both run the same wheelset.

    Either will be a fun bike, I'm not bagging on anything. Just interesting that Surly seems to be offering multiple versions of very similar bikes these days.

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    Lowside is a 26+/27.5+ bike. Karate Monkey is 27.5+/29.

    I think Lowside was 100mm suspension corrected vs. 140 on the Karate Monkey.

    Wouldn't surprise me if the Lowside was also happy running some narrower 29er wheels, like my Troll is. But then the KM has the exact same bb drop, so I guess you could run 26+ on that too.

    So that's a good question about noticeable ride difference.

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    The Lowside has the same BB drop with it's rigid fork. Put a suspension corrected rigid fork, or a sus fork, and the BB drop will decrease (higher BB).

    To me, this is one of the main selling features of the Lowside: it's essentially designed as a rigid bike. Yes, it's safety rated for a sus fork, but the long headtube + short stock fork = rigid build.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_E View Post
    Lowside is a 26+/27.5+ bike. Karate Monkey is 27.5+/29.

    I think Lowside was 100mm suspension corrected vs. 140 on the Karate Monkey.

    Wouldn't surprise me if the Lowside was also happy running some narrower 29er wheels, like my Troll is. But then the KM has the exact same bb drop, so I guess you could run 26+ on that too.

    So that's a good question about noticeable ride difference.
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    Test rode one a few days ago (just a quick ride, but my shop lets me take it around more than just the parking lot); tbh it feels like an overpriced $1200 bar bike. Wouldn't want this geometry on a trail even with gears personally; KM seems like a much better option due to geometry and even if you get the SS you have the routing if you decide to go with gears later.

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    After much consideration I think the answer to the Lowside is buy a secondhand 1x1 and repaint it to look like new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lampd1 View Post
    Test rode one a few days ago (just a quick ride, but my shop lets me take it around more than just the parking lot); tbh it feels like an overpriced $1200 bar bike. Wouldn't want this geometry on a trail even with gears personally; KM seems like a much better option due to geometry and even if you get the SS you have the routing if you decide to go with gears later.
    Oh wait, but they are essentially the same bikes!!!! Just because you actually rode it and others are staring at geo charts doesn't make your input pertinent, damn you!!!!!!!😜

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike View Post
    After much consideration I think the answer to the 1x1 is buy a secondhand 1x1 and repaint it to look like new.
    Fixed it for ya.

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    True, some of the measurements line up but (at least looking at large chart values) the head tube, standover, fork length, stack, and reach are all pretty different and as a result sitting and even ready position felt pretty drastically different between the two for me.

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    I think the frame is different enough to be unique from the Krampugmonk. I just think the build should also be.

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    I see kids all over my neighborhood riding these big, ugly 29" wheel BMX bikes. Every time I see one I think a Lowside is much cooler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I see kids all over my neighborhood riding these big, ugly 29" wheel BMX bikes. Every time I see one I think a Lowside is much cooler.
    I'd just be stoked to see kids riding bikes instead of living their lives vicariously, staring at an electronic screen of some description!

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    Quote Originally Posted by subversion View Post
    I'd just be stoked to see kids riding bikes instead of living their lives vicariously, staring at an electronic screen of some description!
    You know, I noticed that... Six months ago I moved to a new neighborhood. The kids here spend a little more time outside than the kids where I lived before.
    That's how I've seen these god awful looking loud colored, ano spoked bikes. But you're right. At least they're outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I see kids all over my neighborhood riding these big, ugly 29" wheel BMX bikes. Every time I see one I think a Lowside is much cooler.
    maybe I am old and grumpy, but a BMX should only have 20" wheels...anything bigger is a mountain bike. Even when Mongoose came out with the Koz Kruiser, we all thought "Oh, they are making mountain bikes now"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfltroll View Post
    Yeah, seems a bit pricey for a SS bike but is otherwise nice. For my uses a SS Karate Monkey would be more practical.

    For those in PDX, Universal appears to have a L and XL in stock.
    How much is the SS KM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lampd1 View Post
    Test rode one a few days ago (just a quick ride, but my shop lets me take it around more than just the parking lot); tbh it feels like an overpriced $1200 bar bike. Wouldn't want this geometry on a trail even with gears personally; KM seems like a much better option due to geometry and even if you get the SS you have the routing if you decide to go with gears later.
    It sounds like it’s ultimate mission isn’t trail riding but kicking asphalt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I see kids all over my neighborhood riding these big, ugly 29" wheel BMX bikes. Every time I see one I think a Lowside is much cooler.
    Those big 29" BMX bikes are great for riding wheelies. So the kids aren't buying those bikes for the looks, they are buying for performance (wheelies).

    And they are half the price of a Lowside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    How much is the SS KM?
    $1199 on Universal Cycles (exactly the same as the Lowside on there). I'm not entirely sure how their pricing compares to local bike shops though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69tr6r View Post
    Those big 29" BMX bikes are great for riding wheelies. So the kids aren't buying those bikes for the looks, they are buying for performance (wheelies).

    And they are half the price of a Lowside.
    I'm sure you are right but I haven't seen one kid doing a wheelie on one of these things yet. Most of the bikes are too big for them and they just cruise down the street on them. The other day, it was nice out and I was sitting at a traffic light with my windows open. Two kids rode past me on these things with yellow tires and red ano spokes and the front bike sounded like it had been built without a drop of grease. It was squeaking it's way up the street. I thought to myself, that thing is going to be out at the curb and probably still have the nubs on the tires.

    If my son asks me for one of those, it may be the perfect opportunity to get a Lowside frame and throw it together. I want one for urban attacks but won't buy it for just me.
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    I do not see how anyone could do any kind of true BMX riding on those things...they look like tanks! Other than straight out dirt jumping...could not imagine those doing street or park riding at all...or at least why people would want to heft those around when they could just use a 20"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sXeXBMXer View Post
    I do not see how anyone could do any kind of true BMX riding on those things...they look like tanks! Other than straight out dirt jumping...could not imagine those doing street or park riding at all...or at least why people would want to heft those around when they could just use a 20"
    The kids that by those bikes are not into BMX at all, just wheelies. And all kinds of tricks while doing a wheelie. Some of them are actually pretty talented bike handlers.

    Look it up on youtube, you'll see dedicated channels to the "bike life". SE Bikes are the dominant brand.

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    Hi! I ordered a Lowside frameset today!

    I have a lightly used wheelset from a Specialized 27.5+ bike available - WTB Scraper i45 rims. Now I wonder if I can use these wheels with the Lowside.

    Surly's homepage says: "Lowside frame and fork have generous 27.5 x 2.8" or 26 x 3.0" tire clearance, (...)"

    Surly's frame sheet / instructions say: "Tire clearance: Designed for 26 x 3.0˝ or 27.5 x 2.4˝; individual tire and rim combos affect tire clearance."

    I guess I should not run tyres any smaller than 2.8" on the i45 rims. Now the question - will those fit?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by caseonline View Post

    I guess I should not run tyres any smaller than 2.8" on the i45 rims. Now the question - will those fit?

    Thanks!
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    I think there's only one person in this thread who has actually, definitively said that they are getting a Lowside. So I think you may have to answer that question for the rest of us. Let us know, because I was just looking at that same rim set and thinking I could build it up with the Troll in mind at first, but transfer it to a Lowside in the future, but I feel like I could be stretching the limits of both of those frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_E View Post
    I think there's only one person in this thread who has actually, definitively said that they are getting a Lowside. So I think you may have to answer that question for the rest of us. Let us know, because I was just looking at that same rim set and thinking I could build it up with the Troll in mind at first, but transfer it to a Lowside in the future, but I feel like I could be stretching the limits of both of those frames.
    So I'm the first one? I pre-ordered the frameset. No indication yet when it will be available in Germany... Will keep you posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseonline View Post
    So I'm the first one? I pre-ordered the frameset. No indication yet when it will be available in Germany... Will keep you posted!

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    Quick update. I reached out to the Surly guys. Here's the reply:

    "(...)There appears to be an error on the framesheet, the clearance for the Lowside is 27.5 x 2.8” or 26 x 3”. (...)"

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    Does anyone know if the frame set comes with Thru Axles?

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    I've never posted before, but these forums have been so helpful to me, I figure I should weigh in and share: I LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!

    I've had one for over two weeks now and I've put about 150 single-track miles on it... haven't even considered riding anything else since I've had it.

    I have been riding a 2nd gen KM as a full rigid B+ single speed for about 2 years, and this bike is what I was really wanting. I ran 2.8 on 35mm rims in the rear and would get some rubbing, but there is plenty of clearance on the Lowside. I also have a new-gen KM 1x10 with 100mm suspension fork, and this bike performs just as well -- climbs faster, corners and downhills great, and very, very playful!

    I swapped out the stock wheelset for a 27.5x2.8 w/dt swiss 350 hubs and it flies! Not sure I'd really go for the 26x3 with the type of riding I do. I also put in an offset seatpost to get a little more room (I'm 6' riding a large, and I'm much closer to to an XL than M). It rides slacker that the 70deg headtube would suggest, and the only real complaint is the single bottle mount -- I want to ride more than 15-20 miles, and with a dog, that's not enough. It's a sad day when a steel hardtail has less bottle mounts than a fs carbon frame.

    Also, it worked with the 26" stock wheels, the B+ 135x10mm qr thru-axle from the old KM, the B+ 142x12mm bolt-on from the new KM, and the B+ 148x12mm dt swiss wheels. It can take a suspension fork, too, but I haven't tried that yet.

    In short, this is an AWESOME all-around rigid B+ singlespeed -- if that's your thing, you will like this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caseonline View Post
    Does anyone know if the frame set comes with Thru Axles?
    My Krampus did. Not sure if the Lowside does or not. It isn't made clear on the website... But you probably already know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ch33pnis View Post
    I've never posted before, but these forums have been so helpful to me, I figure I should weigh in and share: I LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!

    I've had one for over two weeks now and I've put about 150 single-track miles on it... haven't even considered riding anything else since I've had it.

    I have been riding a 2nd gen KM as a full rigid B+ single speed for about 2 years, and this bike is what I was really wanting. I ran 2.8 on 35mm rims in the rear and would get some rubbing, but there is plenty of clearance on the Lowside. I also have a new-gen KM 1x10 with 100mm suspension fork, and this bike performs just as well -- climbs faster, corners and downhills great, and very, very playful!

    I swapped out the stock wheelset for a 27.5x2.8 w/dt swiss 350 hubs and it flies! Not sure I'd really go for the 26x3 with the type of riding I do. I also put in an offset seatpost to get a little more room (I'm 6' riding a large, and I'm much closer to to an XL than M). It rides slacker that the 70deg headtube would suggest, and the only real complaint is the single bottle mount -- I want to ride more than 15-20 miles, and with a dog, that's not enough. It's a sad day when a steel hardtail has less bottle mounts than a fs carbon frame.

    Also, it worked with the 26" stock wheels, the B+ 135x10mm qr thru-axle from the old KM, the B+ 142x12mm bolt-on from the new KM, and the B+ 148x12mm dt swiss wheels. It can take a suspension fork, too, but I haven't tried that yet.

    In short, this is an AWESOME all-around rigid B+ singlespeed -- if that's your thing, you will like this bike.
    Awesome review. This does make it sound a little different than what I was thinking with the bike. Do you by any chance have a pic? All I've seen are versions that look more BMX-ish, not more like SS MTBs.

    Bummer on the single bottle mount. I didn't notice that before, and it looks like there's plenty of room!

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    Here are some shots

    Surly Lowside-file_001.jpg

    More clearance at seatstays than chainstays

    Surly Lowside-file_000.jpg

    Dog and rider get thirsty with only one water bottle, but the bike can handle rough terrain and elevation just fine

    Surly Lowside-file_002.jpg

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    Looks great! What rims are these? I.D. 35mm, or wider?

    Regarding your water supplies - Elite makes phantastic 1l bottles, I use those for long rides. Your bottle looks like 0.75l? If you choose the large bottles, make sure to invest in a very stable and reliable bottle cage.

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    Nice! And cool spot for the spare tube/"seat" bag. Never seen that placement.

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    The rims are Sun Ringle Duroc 40 with a 36mm internal width -- the wheelset is straight off a Trek Fuel. I've also run a wheelset with 2.8 Nobby Nics on 39mm internal width Velocity Duallys, and they fit about the same. It looks like there's enough room for 3" tires on the same width rims -- I have a set of Dirt Wizards that will probably eventually find their way on the bike, so I'll find out soon enough.

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    Does anyone know if the frame set comes with Thru Axles?
    It does

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    Quote Originally Posted by ch33pnis View Post
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    More clearance at seatstays than chainstays

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    Dog and rider get thirsty with only one water bottle, but the bike can handle rough terrain and elevation just fine

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    Thanx for posting the pics, the bike looks so fun in a pure phuckit kinda way. Me likey.

    May hafta get one.

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    I "discovered" this a few days ago and I'm pretty sure this would be perfect for my home trails. I have a few miles right out of my back yard; climbs are all pretty mild, lots of quick direction change, rock garden, and a few fast and flowing sections. I'm a bit put off by the price tag but I haven't really seen anything that is super comparable. Anyway, looks like a hell of a lot of fun to ride if you're in the right spot.

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    ...so I got all the parts now. Apart from the crown race - and the frame!

    German distributor said "June!". They didn't say which June...

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    Cosmic Sports has them in stock now, you should have your frame soon! Looking forward to see your build, cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Rhubarb View Post
    Cosmic Sports has them in stock now, you should have your frame soon! Looking forward to see your build, cheers!
    Thanks! Just called my dealer and motivated him to motivate Cosmic...

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    My LBS checked today. All size large are gone already. I was hoping to get a frame only with my race team discount.

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    My frameset arrived this afternoon! Quite late for our weekly night ride. So I did my fastest bike build ever.

    After approx. 95 minutes I was off and riding. OK, definitely need to shorten the brake hoses. Everything else is just perfect for me. The Lowside rides like a dream! Sorry for those pics - missed the sunset due to fog...

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    Parts list:
    • Cane Creek 40 Series
    • Wheelset from a Specialized Fuse (lightly used)
    • Maxxis Rekon+
    • Formula Cura with Trickstuff Dächle discs
    • Cheap Hussefelt stem
    • Übercool Surly Sunrise bar
    • Thomson seatpost & used Chromag saddle
    • Zee crank set - cheap but reliable, and DMR Vaults
    • Surly cog (riding 36/21) and some generic single speed kit

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    Like the skin wall tires!

    What size is your Lowside?

    Quote Originally Posted by caseonline View Post
    My frameset arrived this afternoon! Quite late for our weekly night ride. So I did my fastest bike build ever.

    After approx. 95 minutes I was off and riding. OK, definitely need to shorten the brake hoses. Everything else is just perfect for me. The Lowside rides like a dream! Sorry for those pics - missed the sunset due to fog...

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    Parts list:
    • Cane Creek 40 Series
    • Wheelset from a Specialized Fuse (lightly used)
    • Maxxis Rekon+
    • Formula Cura with Trickstuff Dächle discs
    • Cheap Hussefelt stem
    • Übercool Surly Sunrise bar
    • Thomson seatpost & used Chromag saddle
    • Zee crank set - cheap but reliable, and DMR Vaults
    • Surly cog (riding 36/21) and some generic single speed kit
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    It's an XL frame!

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    Lowside frameset size small. I think there is one more available in this size. I took off the top tube decals because I didn’t like the look of them too much, lol.

    I’m gonna build this baby up as a fun SS trail ripper, Reba fork, Hope hubs/scraper rims, 26x3.0” WTB Ranger tires, Fox dropper post, Hope cranks (maybe), XT brakes (maybe), Turbine R stem (40-50mm), maybe a nice wide carbon 20mm riser (780-800).


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    Nice. I got to ride one for a few minutes this weekend when a Surly rep came through town. I could definitely see this being my next build. Did not care for the stock handlebar, though. I'm just not a fan of flat bars, and will have to add a little sweep. Also I have never used a dropper bar, so it was good to look at the set-up and decide there's likely a way to incorporate something like a Post-lock (https://salsacycles.com/components/c...lars/post-lock) to get my needed rack mounting points.

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    i was told i got the last frame in medium... did a build around it... went with 27.5 wheels and decided to try the open bar with rise instead of stock... its fun as hell

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    Surly Lowside

    Anybody comment on the BB height? How low is it and do you think it would be an issue for around town riding?

    I’m interested in this bike to rip around town, so mostly street jumping curbs etc. maybe some woods cut throughs.

    I’d probably build it 26” 3.0.


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    Quote Originally Posted by racefit View Post
    Anybody comment on the BB height? How low is it and do you think it would be an issue for around town riding?

    I’m interested in this bike to rip around town, so mostly street jumping curbs etc. maybe some woods cut throughs.

    I’d probably build it 26” 3.0.


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    so i use mine as an urban all terrain vehicle... jumping curbs, rolling down stairs, etc, etc... i threw on a double kickstand (you can see in pic 3 above) which lowers my clearance, and i've had 0 problems doing everything you just described around boston/cambridge

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    Quote Originally Posted by typingofthedead View Post
    so i use mine as an urban all terrain vehicle... jumping curbs, rolling down stairs, etc, etc... i threw on a double kickstand (you can see in pic 3 above) which lowers my clearance, and i've had 0 problems doing everything you just described around boston/cambridge
    Damn do I miss Cambridge... Great town to be a bike commuter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenngineer View Post
    Damn do I miss Cambridge... Great town to be a bike commuter.
    oh god theyve built bike highways in the last few years.... its full on infrastructure recognition here now

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    Does the low side complete have a rear hub with spacers, or ss only hub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by backcountryeti View Post
    Does the low side complete have a rear hub with spacers, or ss only hub?
    Rear hub with spacers. Says it on the website.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FeedTheWolf View Post
    Rear hub with spacers. Says it on the website.


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    Thanks! I totally overlooked that little detail.

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