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    Kuskokwim River - Kombat Phatbike

    I posted this over on the Alaska forum for my Alaska compadries first...want to preface this posting with a big thanks to Surly...after a 10 year hiatus doing any serious expedtion riding here in rural Alaska, your products have renewed my interest...I'm thinking bikes again and waking with new project applications daily...we're creating our own Endomorph society here in rural Alaska...via la' Large Marge!

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    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/martinleonard/166770827/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://static.flickr.com/24/166770827_c88f6970e4.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="kusko_kombat1" /></a>
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    Link to the photo set here!

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    Pugsley Kuskokwim River Kombat 'work-bike'...getting the layup standardized...~3/4 the way there!

    SOME ATTRIBUTES:

    Surly racks are bombproof, great hardware, a little heavy but nothing a sawsall couldn't fix to modify the surly rear for the front...sealed the cuts with clear enamel nail-polish!

    Single Paul Touring canti works well, more than adequate for beach and river riding ...it's simple...key was retro-ing w/a salsa wide hanger - which changes the width and pull angle and enables plenty clearance.

    Doug White Duo Freewheel 17/19 is ideal - bravo primo Americano...but need a chaintensioner to make manual gear switching convenient...will add one this week.

    Jones Bar...goes full-tilt w/o saying! Once you use one....!

    SURLY NEEDS (thus far):

    bottle braze-ons 'under' the downtube for litre fuel / water bottle hanger...every serious fatbiker I know is using a framebag in the main triangle for expeditioning - it's really the only way to go, so use of inside brazeons is limited!

    access to rack braze-ons (esp near the head of the fork) are limited...need to move them out-board a/o have some longer bolts and poly spacers...especially for retrofit centering on the pugs offset frameset.

    some good options for a cablestop for the cantis (esp the rear).

    to get Phil Wood to make a 'real' bottom bracket for the Pugs shell...


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    Quote Originally Posted by qayaq_alaska
    to get Phil Wood to make a 'real' bottom bracket for the Pugs shell...
    Check the May 17 Surly blog for that Phil Wood contribution:
    http://www.surlybikes.com/2006_05_01_blog_archive.html
    "Wednesday, May 17, 2006

    Brent, from Phil Wood, informed me that they've manufactured 145mm bottom bracket axles for you Pugsley owners who want to use a tapered axle/crank system. $180.00 complete. Yep, that's a bit of dough, but it's Phil Wood. You know it's gonna last.

    I'll raise a glass or two or three to Phil Wood for offering another component option for the Pug.

    posted by Brother David Sunshine @ Wednesday, May 17, 2006"

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    A FRONT RACK! is that a Surly Nice Rack? a front or rear? and how did you modify it? will it take a set of panniers? this is what I've been tryin to do for 8 months! Obviously i'm oblivious. Would you please shed some light on my delimma?
    thanks......d
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    Now that i look at the Surly website and compare the pics its clear. Great idea! Have you had a chance to use the front rack? and how strong is it? have you had any problems with it?
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    Nice rack mods...

    mounted the Nice Rack backwards on the front fork (same orientation as the photo)....mounted to braze-ons offset to one side with some poly washers as spacers...you can see from the photo where I whacked the rack...the key for my application are the 'red' cuts which allow the rack to be positioned lower and up tight near the head of the bike - thats where I like my gear - close to the CG...I use various simple panniers and getting them to work is pretty easy! I seal the cuts with a high quality clear enamel 'nail polish' - cheap touchup paint and high quality, works well!

    The Nice Racks are bomber...some of the best mounting hardware on the market 'by far'...a little weighty but I don't count ozs., I'm laying up the bikes for field work here in Alaska and strength and durability are my preferences...I think you could load way more than you ever should on the racks...braze-ons would probably fail before the rack!

    The only bummer is that Surly puts their logos in all the places I whacked...oops/sorry!

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/martinleonard/169395056/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://static.flickr.com/33/169395056_054dcb2bba_o.jpg" width="400" height="381" alt="nicerack_mods" /></a>

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    rack

    that is GREAT! Im gonna go get the other Surly rear Nice Rack that i had been messin with, and duplicate your mods. I use my Pug daily, i have no car, so it does everything for me. Getting that front rack set up is gonna change my world.

    On the Surly rear Nice Rack that I've got mounted up in the rear, I havent used any spacers. However, on the drive side i have the rack mounted to the inside of the braze-on at the seatstay.
    Where are you using the "poly washers"?

    thanks for the post!
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    Great, great!

    Is there space on the rear to mount a disc break?
    Does it someone other tried? Pics please!
    Selfpropellodevo? You are the Surly-Man?! In some blogs i red Surly think about it to make racks for the Pug. Is there something true on?

    Thanks a lot.
    Sorry for my bad English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cezarymachalski
    Great, great!

    Is there space on the rear to mount a disc break?
    Does it someone other tried? Pics please!
    Selfpropellodevo? You are the Surly-Man?! In some blogs i red Surly think about it to make racks for the Pug. Is there something true on?

    Thanks a lot.
    Sorry for my bad English.
    this is the exact modification i used for my pug
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=179026

    i do not know of a production rack that is specifically built for the offset front fork of the pug.

    peace...d
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    Surly considers

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    this is the exact modification i used for my pug
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=179026

    i do not know of a production rack that is specifically built for the offset front fork of the pug.

    peace...d
    As of yesterday the good folks at Surly are only considering making a Pug friendly rack according to John Fleck. Can't blame them given the "marginal" market.

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    Expedition Rider's Racks

    Need racks that sit up tight...close to the headtube and seattube...keeping loads bike centered is the key to our type of riding...snow a/o sand.

    Hope they look closely at how riders are approaching loading expedition style bikes.

    ML

    Quote Originally Posted by waunan
    As of yesterday the good folks at Surly are only considering making a Pug friendly rack according to John Fleck. Can't blame them given the "marginal" market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qayaq_alaska
    Need racks that sit up tight...close to the headtube and seattube...keeping loads bike centered is the key to our type of riding...snow a/o sand.

    Hope they look closely at how riders are approaching loading expedition style bikes.

    ML
    I hear you...that explains the popularity of the in frame carrier bags.
    Any feedback/personal experience with those?
    Can much be toted in those before interfering with pedaling?
    New to this though would love any links/info you might share.
    thanks for the tip

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    My Pugsley and rack

    I've been running an off the rack (ha ha) Topeak rear rack for about a year:
    http://www.topeak.com/products/Racks...Rack_discMount
    When desired, I use this compatible "fold down pannier" rack trunk:
    http://www.topeak.com/products/Bags/MTXTrunkBagDXP
    It snaps securely into the rack. I'm certain you guys would reject this rig out of hand for expedition use. Yes, the offset stays look weird, but everything is quite solid. No disk brake interference. I had to do minimal metal shaving (rounding off a corner with a file) to make the flat steel adjustable mounts clear the seat stays. One is mounted inside, the other outside of the seatstays due to the wacko frame. No problem with stability.
    I also run this grocery getter type bag:
    http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FGBP
    It's handy for dropping in a gallon of paint and a pulaski when I don't feel like hooking up the BOB Ibex for trail work:
    http://www.biketrailershop.com/catal...359-p-105.html
    Sorry for the "no photos" faux pas.
    There might be a photo or two of the bike with the rack and grocery pannier in this gallery:
    http://tallahasseetrails.smugmug.com/gallery/4036103
    If anyone asks, I'll snap some shots of the Pug with the rack, pannier, whatever. Specify what needs to be shown.
    jk
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    Quote Originally Posted by TallahasseeTrails
    Check the May 17 Surly blog for that Phil Wood contribution:
    http://www.surlybikes.com/2006_05_01_blog_archive.html
    "Wednesday, May 17, 2006

    Brent, from Phil Wood, informed me that they've manufactured 145mm bottom bracket axles for you Pugsley owners who want to use a tapered axle/crank system. $180.00 complete. Yep, that's a bit of dough, but it's Phil Wood. You know it's gonna last.

    I'll raise a glass or two or three to Phil Wood for offering another component option for the Pug.

    posted by Brother David Sunshine @ Wednesday, May 17, 2006"


    "2" I called PW to order "the big one" and they new instantly that I was a new Pugsley owner with good taste. It's been totally happy at -10F(ambient), no excessive drag no creaking.
    Slowly slipping to retrogrouchyness

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Frame Bags

    Good Observation,

    The frame bags are 'THE' critical carrier for fatbike racers and expedition style riders here in Alaska...come to think of it, I don't know anyone that DOESN'T use one...they are critical for center-weighting heavy expedition items like tools, fuel, dense foods (dried meats, bars, gorp etc.).

    Eric at EPIC makes ours:
    http://fatbikealaska.blogspot.com/20...c-designs.html

    You can follow some of our fatbiking adventures at:
    http://fatbikealaska.blogspot.com/

    Merry Xmas...happy trails 2009

    Martin


    Quote Originally Posted by waunan
    I hear you...that explains the popularity of the in frame carrier bags.
    Any feedback/personal experience with those?
    Can much be toted in those before interfering with pedaling?
    New to this though would love any links/info you might share.
    thanks for the tip

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    PUG Rack/Trailer

    Great discussion. Does the BOB ibex work with a pug without modifications? I thought the hitch was not wide enough? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadhead
    Great discussion. Does the BOB ibex work with a pug without modifications? I thought the hitch was not wide enough? Thanks.
    not only is the fork not wide enough for an Endo
    but the Pug frame has offset, so the fork for the BOB needs offset too...

    i think the ExtraWheel is probably the best.
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    DOH! Forgot about that. Anyone else with trailer ideas besides the extrawheel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadhead
    Great discussion. Does the BOB ibex work with a pug without modifications? I thought the hitch was not wide enough? Thanks.
    There are no issues with the Pugsley/Endomorph offset IF you get the Ibex 28 fork. Ok, there may be aesthetic issues, but absolutely NO clearance/interference issues!
    You may see a few photos of my 16" Pugs doing neighborhood trail duty with the Topeak rack and BOB Ibex trailer here: http://tallahasseetrails.smugmug.com...67327199_nLwQy
    I have a whole bunch of trail miles on this rig loaded down with too much gear, and have never had any issues.
    Carry on,
    jk
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    Quote Originally Posted by qayaq_alaska
    I posted this over on the Alaska forum for my Alaska compadries first...want to preface this posting with a big thanks to Surly...after a 10 year hiatus doing any serious expedtion riding here in rural Alaska, your products have renewed my interest...I'm thinking bikes again and waking with new project applications daily...we're creating our own Endomorph society here in rural Alaska...via la' Large Marge!

    <p>
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/martinleonard/166770827/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://static.flickr.com/24/166770827_c88f6970e4.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="kusko_kombat1" /></a>
    <p>
    <p>
    Link to the photo set here!

    <p>
    Pugsley Kuskokwim River Kombat 'work-bike'...getting the layup standardized...~3/4 the way there!

    SOME ATTRIBUTES:

    Surly racks are bombproof, great hardware, a little heavy but nothing a sawsall couldn't fix to modify the surly rear for the front...sealed the cuts with clear enamel nail-polish!

    Single Paul Touring canti works well, more than adequate for beach and river riding ...it's simple...key was retro-ing w/a salsa wide hanger - which changes the width and pull angle and enables plenty clearance.

    Doug White Duo Freewheel 17/19 is ideal - bravo primo Americano...but need a chaintensioner to make manual gear switching convenient...will add one this week.

    Jones Bar...goes full-tilt w/o saying! Once you use one....!

    SURLY NEEDS (thus far):

    bottle braze-ons 'under' the downtube for litre fuel / water bottle hanger...every serious fatbiker I know is using a framebag in the main triangle for expeditioning - it's really the only way to go, so use of inside brazeons is limited!

    access to rack braze-ons (esp near the head of the fork) are limited...need to move them out-board a/o have some longer bolts and poly spacers...especially for retrofit centering on the pugs offset frameset.

    some good options for a cablestop for the cantis (esp the rear).

    to get Phil Wood to make a 'real' bottom bracket for the Pugs shell...


    Later


    Martin aoc

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    Link to the photo set here!


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    Great mod... Would you mind if I posted this info on my blog with credit to you and a link back to this post? I want to spread Pug tips far and wide.
    Safe riding,

    Vik
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