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    WANTED: 10-Speed GripShift XX / XO (i.e. GripShift, the origins of SRAM)

    WANTED: SRAM – please make a 10-speed XX/XO GripShift. GripShift is the cornerstone of SRAM. If you abandon it for triggers only, you’re basically saying the Big S was right all along. TWISTIES Please....

    Hoping for a reveal at Interbike 2010.

    [Yes I know there is a guy in Europe converting 9-speed XO GripShift to 10-speed....but I want the real thing]

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    Listen! Ten speed gripper..............NOW!!!

    10 speed grippers are a must or my bikes will remain 9 speed...

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    I will not go10-speed unless we get twist shift. SRAM if you want my money you have to make it happen.

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    Me too.

    I know the mfg's do not spec bikes with twist shifters, but seems like a big aftermarket audience. Can't believe it is that hard to alter the throw length on twist shifters to make them work.

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    Also staying with 9 speed here until 10 speed grip shifts are available.

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    No 10 speed grippers and I also stay with 9 speed.
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    No gripshift, no 10 speed for me.
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    hey listen SRAM! - my patience us up too - 10 speed twistshifters @ interbike or i'll send the posse over

    if no new shifters soon - i will only purchase shimano components in future
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    2x10 twisties!!!

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    Ditto!

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    Keep posting SRAMers...... We can win if we stand strong....

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    This seems like an everybody wins situation if they come out with twist shifters.

    I have only seen one quote from SRAM on this, and it was they are Not going to bring out 10speed twist shifters. Not enough demand and incompatible with some brake levers.

    Hope they are reversing that statement, but have not seen anything to indicate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdcd
    This seems like an everybody wins situation if they come out with twist shifters.

    I have only seen one quote from SRAM on this, and it was they are Not going to bring out 10speed twist shifters. Not enough demand and incompatible with some brake levers..
    Without a link to this statement, it's totally worthless...
    Hope they are reversing that statement, but have not seen anything to indicate that.
    I hear ya there

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    Listen! Sram


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Pay
    That's a long read but it only shows the demand for 10 speed grippers
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    10sp Gripshift Twister Shifters

    SRAM we need 10sp Gripshift shifters please!

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    I would go 10 speed if I there were 10 speed grip shifters out there. Until then im 9 speed

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    I'm using the cheap SEC version, and need the originals made by SRAM before mine are destroyed

    please!

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    2X10 by grip shift please. I'm holding out on my 2X9 setup till you make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Pay
    Without a link to this statement, it's totally worthless...

    I hear ya there
    It was when SRAM first came out with XX, i believe an interview in VeloNews. Doubt you i can find the interview at this point. So will have to stay worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdcd
    It was when SRAM first came out with XX, i believe an interview in VeloNews. Doubt you i can find the interview at this point. So will have to stay worthless.
    from my post on http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...11#post7108911

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    SRAM Press Camp Rumors #2 and #3 - Ten Speed Twisters and new DH Cranks
    posted by Tyler (Editor) - June 10, 2010 - 10am EDT

    "Ever since SRAM came out with trigger shifters, it seems they’ve been slowly putting more emphasis on them with OEM placements and now with the 10-speed systems. I asked why the new 2×10 groups went solely with trigger options, and here was the response:

    “You’ve gotta start somewhere,” says Chris Hilton, SRAM product manager. “Triggers are an extremely precise system, they integrate really nicely with the brakes, particularly with our Matchmaker set up, and the ergonomics and adjustability are really good.”

    Of course, there are those of us that long for top-level twisters to make a comeback, and there are top pros like Julien Absalon (pictured, older photo when he was still running twisters) that, as Hilton put it, have “requested, not demanded” them. So, are they coming? So far, comments around the press camp indicate so, ranging from:

    “They’re aren’t any out in the wild. Well, not any you’re going to see.”

    “It’s something that’s in the works.”

    …and similar such things. No timeline so far, but we haven’t had the first real tech session yet either."

    ..................................................

    it's time to deliver the goods Chris Hilton - we're waiting...

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    +1000 i wont be going 10 speed without having twisters, if you (sram) come out with them ill order them in a mila-second
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    culturesponge,
    Thanks for the info



    OMG, females do FART ....So 10 spd gripper are possible
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails WANTED: 10-Speed GripShift XX / XO (i.e. GripShift, the origins of SRAM)-niceass3.jpg  

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    Nice fart box....

    PLEASE keep postin' about your want for the 10 speed grippers
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    Please,

    10 speed twist shifters please. I've been a twist shifter for 13 years now. Please SRAM, don't break the streak!

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    Me and a friend of mine are using twisters for quite a while now und both of us don`t upgrade to 10speed until there are xx-twisters available. Just ordered a new 9speed xtr cassette in order to use it with my x.0 RD, twisters and my new xx-spidered Specialized cranks.

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    10 speed twisters needed! Or else I probably go shimano in future or stay 9 speed for as long as possible, shimano not better than trigger but cheaper here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdcd
    incompatible with some brake levers.
    the irony is that this is the case with their own Elixir levers at least in the carbon version and part of the reason I got rid of the brakes and not the Gripshift.
    Anyway, I'm all for continuing in the Gripshift tradition so count me in.

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    10 speed twisties... lets get it done Sram.
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    I don't want 10spd grip shifters. I want xx cassettes under $200.

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    Then you're posting in the wrong thread.

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    Listen! Start a cassette pricing thread...

    I'm sure there are others that would agree with you

    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter
    I don't want 10spd grip shifters. I want xx cassettes under $200.

    THANKS.

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    I ride Gripshift since the early - mid 90'th. Tried some STI's, Rapidfire, Dualcontrol and Triggers and come always back to Gripshifters, so please Sram: continue with Gripshifters!
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    I've been using GripShift since the early 90's. I'm finally getting a new bike soon that will have a 2x10 X0/X9 setup. I'll try to get used to the triggers, but will probably switch to twist shifters if/when they are available.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails WANTED: 10-Speed GripShift XX / XO (i.e. GripShift, the origins of SRAM)-paul%2527s.jpg  


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    I will never upgrade to 10spd if no gripshift !!!!!

    MAKE GRIPSHIFT !

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    SRAM,
    Are you starting to get the BIGGER picture?
    Example: (After market units)

    No grippers = 5000 front / rear dérailleurs / chains and cassettes not being sold..
    No grippers = 25,000 front / rear dérailleurs / chains and cassettes not being sold..

    How about 100,000 10 speed groups not being sold,
    all because you wont do 10 spd grippers..

    Sure, it's your call...

    PS. And don't forget about your cranksets
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    Here-here. If there are no 10sp twisties I will delay switching to a 10sp drivetrain as long as possible.

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    On board 9 speed until 10 spd twisty comes...

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    Wake UP SRAM.....
    These are your fans posting their wants and needs...

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    I plan on switching to 10 speed sometime soon (1x10 ). No gripshift = no sram for me.
    Shimano triggers are nicer, IMO.

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    Look people, a hundred people on mtbr isn't enough demand for them to tool up to offer twist-grip shifters for 10 speeds. The 9speed versions sell poorly as is, the last thing they want to do is lose more money on another version. The only reason SRAM ever got sales for gripshifts in the first place (because compared to shimano, the things sucked until after they bought Sachs out and got their shifter designs and tooling) was because shimano stopped offering seperate shifters and brake levers. Once shimano began offering seperate shifter pods again, gripshift sales began falling. And that's why SRAM had to respond and did so with their rapidfire-like shifter pods.
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    Well, I am going to chime in and say the same as many here. 10 speed twisties need to happen. Just make them at the XX level and no where else as the current offerings all weigh the same anyway.

    I will not go 10-speed until this happens. I will hoard all the 9-speed stuff I can and hold out.

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    Listen! Show SRAMs sales records.........Can't do it...eh

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Look people, a hundred people on mtbr isn't enough demand for them to tool up to offer twist-grip shifters for 10 speeds. The 9speed versions sell poorly as is, the last thing they want to do is lose more money on another version. The only reason SRAM ever got sales for gripshifts in the first place (because compared to shimano, the things sucked until after they bought Sachs out and got their shifter designs and tooling) was because shimano stopped offering seperate shifters and brake levers. Once shimano began offering seperate shifter pods again, gripshift sales began falling. And that's why SRAM had to respond and did so with their rapidfire-like shifter pods.

    Why don't you just sit back and let us see what we can do...

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    You want SRAM to offer it, offer to pay for the tooling yourself and personally guarantee the 10,000 units or so that they'll need to move to justify the effort.
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    It's not about the tooling cost because they do plan to release them. It's more the fact that they don't want to rush them onto the market without them being an improvement on the current 9 speed design. They want them to work better, be lighter and be smaller. This thread isn't needed. They know there's demand. They just aren't ready yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    You want SRAM to offer it, offer to pay for the tooling yourself and personally guarantee the 10,000 units or so that they'll need to move to justify the effort.
    How many times has this ever happened with a new/modified product? Maybe zero?

    I wish Shimano had taken this approach with dual control/rapid rise! I might still be using Shimano.
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    I want me some 10spd grip shifters!
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    Ban Dee8 and bring Nino back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowup
    the irony is that this is the case with their own Elixir levers at least in the carbon version and part of the reason I got rid of the brakes and not the Gripshift.
    Anyway, I'm all for continuing in the Gripshift tradition so count me in.
    I was running Elixir CRs with X0 gripshift w/o issue. What problems were you guys having?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdcd
    How many times has this ever happened with a new/modified product? Maybe zero?

    I wish Shimano had taken this approach with dual control/rapid rise! I might still be using Shimano.
    Or shimano airlines... sometimes listening to a few wackos can cost a company a LOT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -dustin
    I was running Elixir CRs with X0 gripshift w/o issue. What problems were you guys having?
    There have been problems with the latest generation of avid disc brakes leaking and generally poor performing. My local shops which previously LOVED avid brakes have had a hard time even clearing out the current models at heavily discounted prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Ban Dee8 and bring Nino back!
    they're never bringing him back, get over it already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -dustin
    I was running Elixir CRs with X0 gripshift w/o issue. What problems were you guys having?
    I found that even with the levers adjusted all the way out, there still wasn't enough clearance between the Gripshift and the inside of the lever for me to comfortably shift without scraping my knuckles. And no, I don't have Gorilla knuckles to my knowledge.
    It would appear there just isn't enough 'bend' or 'sweep' to the lever for me to be comfortable.
    I've since gone to XT's with no clearance issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdcd
    Not enough demand and incompatible with some brake levers.
    Blödsinn!

    Anyway, I would have upgraded already, if there were a 10-speed grip shifter from SRAM.
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    Anyone order the custom modded XO gripshift from Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cocheese
    Anyone order the custom modded XO gripshift from Europe?
    Yes ....But I want mine made by SRAM
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    By the same token, gripshifters can't be used on many alternative bars because they lead to problems with the brake lever placements (or they outright won't fit onto the bars), not to mention when SRAM's own brake levers don't mesh with twist-shifters properly, well... its either lose the brakes or lose the shifters... and for OEM buyers, which is what SRAM depends on and always has, it was simpler to lose the shifters.
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    One more vote for twist.

    This winter I'll be replacing my drivetrain and if there's no 10spd twist them I'm going with 9 again.

    I've tried the X9 triggers for 1/2 a seasson and while they're not bad, they're not as good as twist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    By the same token, gripshifters can't be used on many alternative bars because they lead to problems with the brake lever placements (or they outright won't fit onto the bars), not to mention when SRAM's own brake levers don't mesh with twist-shifters properly, well... its either lose the brakes or lose the shifters... and for OEM buyers, which is what SRAM depends on and always has, it was simpler to lose the shifters.
    you really have be an all knowing smart arse don't you? why are you adamant on derailling this thread - for your ego?

    really? all of SRAM's brakes don't "mesh" with twist shifters? i call BS on that!

    like your signature we (other mtbr members) don't play well with morons either - so please back away from this thread if you have nothing but "nino-ism's" to err, contribute

    ...by the way DeeEight take a look over your garden fence (it might do you some good), there is more than the North American market for twist shifters aka gripshifters - they are far more popular in Europe than stateside

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    Quote Originally Posted by culturesponge
    you really have be an all knowing smart arse don't you? why are you adamant on derailling this thread - for your ego?

    really? all of SRAM's brakes don't "mesh" with twist shifters? i call BS on that!

    like your signature we (other mtbr members) don't play well with morons either - so please back away from this thread if you have nothing but "nino-ism's" to err, contribute

    ...by the way DeeEight take a look over your garden fence (it might do you some good), there is more than the North American market for twist shifters aka gripshifters - they are far more popular in Europe than stateside
    You nailed it. Dee8 is nothing but a moron who doesnt know what to do with himself without Nino to stalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    You nailed it. Dee8 is nothing but a moron who doesnt know what to do with himself without Nino to stalk.
    Bingo

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    If they were more popular there, then SRAM would have released info about 10 speed twisters at Eurobike last month... but did they? Nope. I have sachs twisters on a couple loaner bikes, 8 and 9 versions, for certain users fine, easier to handle... the ones who can't get their minds around pushing levers and pulling triggers. But if there was real demand, real tangible worth the tooling costs demand... sram would have released a twist-grip shifter with the XX group.
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    you really have nothing valid, useful or enlightening to contribute to this thread except the same old dreary nino-ism's

    i'm going to add you to my ignore list

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    I'd like to see the 10 speed twist!
    **** Looking for a Sram 9.0SL rear hub *****

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    If Sram don't offer 10 speed twist shifters I'll be using Shimano...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
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    You know you're getting frustrated when you start picking on someone's spelling...you're a sad case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culturesponge
    you really have nothing valid, useful or enlightening to contribute to this thread except the same old dreary nino-ism's
    I am actually starting to feel sad for D8. His only friend can be found in a mirror and even that may be highly
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    Quote Originally Posted by NVIbex
    I am actually starting to feel sad for D8
    me also, glad i didn't have to go though university with only tiny text on an dark iphone

    ...................................

    thank you

    but please do me a massive favour and edit your post without pic of my frame ect - lets keep this 10 speed SRAM Twist Shifter thread right on track

    .................

    hello SRAM & thanks for reading this thread. please lets have a brief press release about your companies progress with 10 speed twist shifts aka gripshifters - thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by culturesponge
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    culturesponge,

    Done deal

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    I've been running XO grippers since 05'...

    No problem when used in conjunction with Avid Juicy 5 / 7 and Carbon levers...

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    I bought my first MTB in 1988, a smoked over Diamond Back Apex. The bug set in pretty quickly and when Specialized introduced the M2 Stumpy (the red one with yellow lettering that Ned was on) I snatched one up as a frameset. The build included my first set of GripShift. I have been on them ever since - so around 1990(?) on. That's about 20-years. Bikes have come and gone, but my GripShift have been consistent. I used the Shimano compatible version up until SRAM introduced the XO and have been pure SRAM ever since. I've evolved...6, 7, 8, 9-speed - and so have the twisties. Now evolution is stuck.

    I'm not opposed to change, however, there are qualities of the twisties that I really like. Hands remain fully wrapped around the bars while riding, no need for opposable thumbs, lighter, very reliable, low profile. I'm hoping SRAM just prioritized with the XX thumb shifters and will eventually come out with a 10-speed version of GripShift. For now I'll stick with my 9-speed version and give 'em some time to work on it. Hopefully this thread helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endure26
    Hands remain fully wrapped around the bars while riding
    I always laugh at that reason for twisters... I've ridden with nothing but thumbshifters for a decade now, and they require you to not only move your thumb, but to move it over the bar, and I've never gone out of control while shifting in all that time.

    no need for opposable thumbs
    Yeah cause there's such a high demand for dogs and cats to use bicycle shifters... the whole lack of opposing thumbs....

    lighter, very reliable, low profile
    The lightest twist shifters have tended not to be very reliable. SRAM's lightest offerings, the SRT-800 Xray models were just garbage in comparison to today's X.0 units, but they also weighed a third less than today's models. The SEC twist-shifters are lighter still (typically half the weight of SRAM models) but have severe issues with dirt contamination, though they are already available in 10 speed 2:1 derailleur compatible versions, and 1:1 compatible models are said to be coming. As to low-profile, depends on the model... the current SRAM models are much bulkier than the earlier efforts in the early to mid 90s. They also take up much more handlebar space than other shifter types, as well as can present complete incompatibility issues with various grips, brake levers, and handlebars.

    The actual leader in lighter, very reliable, and low profile was and continues to be, thumbshifters. And thanks to Paul's thumbies mounts, we can have them in 10 speed versions for SRAM, Shimano and Campy drivetrains (hell 11 speed for campy) today and at weights far better than SRAM twisters. Its a shame really that we're now a couple generations on from the heyday of thumbshifters and there's millions of riders who fail to understand what they've been missing out on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight de Nino
    I'm not interested in your thumbshifters...

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    I'm pretty sure the entire market for new grip shifters has posted in this thread. All of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RecceDG
    I'm pretty sure the entire market for new grip shifters has posted in this thread. All of you.

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    Is that so?

    Did Julian Absalon post here? No, he ran X.0 Twisters after many of Sram's other racers went to XX. I'm sure he wants twisters for his XX bikes.

    I know that Cannondale used X.0 twisters for OEM in Europe. There are people who post here who are from Europe, but not nearly as many as there are on other boards. You also have not accounted for the amount of people that dont post in forums, here or any other. I know many cyclists that dont post anything on boards.

    I don't think anyone here can accurately project the twist shifter demand. The only people that can do it correctly work for Sram, these are the people have access to sales numbers for the 1:1 Twisters.

    I have faith in Sram to bring them out, its been said before that they want to get it right the first time. Many of the top level racers want them, which means that Sram will have a place to endlessly test their product like they always do. Remember how long the Pro's had XX before it made its debut? We saw hundreds of pictures of prototypes and pre production models with the XX logo's covered by electrical tape. To think that that stage is only the final of many in a prototype to production process indicates to me that there was months of design and testing that never made it to the public eye. I like to think of Sram as a company similar to Apple Computer. We hear rumors and may see a few prototypes, but the final product is still a mystery until the official release.

    I think they will come, the question now is when.

    I know I will be buying XX as soon as twisters are available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cocheese
    Anyone order the custom modded XO gripshift from Europe?

    Link please?

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    Look for eliflap (I think that's the user) in the weight weenie forum. Also he has videos on youtube of them. Each one is hand-machined and I believe you have to send him your shifters first. He's essentially doing them custom, one at a time. Also they only work with the 1:1 derailleurs so not any good for people with XX or 2011 X0/X9/X7 drivetrains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couloirman
    Link please?
    Email this guy and he will send you the info. [email protected]

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    As well as all the other perfectly valid reasons to use twist shifters, I like them because they don't require significant thumb strength - unlike other shifters.

    Having sprained both thumbs skiing on multiple occasions this is a big deal for me, especially on long/technical rides. While thumb-shifters work and are light, they still need more strength at places in my range of motion that add up to discomfort after a while; IMO the Suntour (and Mavic?) under-the-bay Y-shifters were the best iteration of these, but they are of course now long extinct. I do not like the Sram (or obsolete Shimano) push-push triggers at all.

    I also fully agree that Sachs-inspired twisters are better than the preceding ones!

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    No good SRAM turns their backs on us....

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    No good SRAM has given us the finger....

    No 10 speed gripshifters at Interbike...


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    I'm officially going to rip off the stock 10 speed on the giant and install my trusty 9 speed and grip shifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    I'm officially going to rip off the stock 10 speed on the giant and install my trusty 9 speed and grip shifters.
    I hear ya brother


    This one's for SRAM

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    My opinion. I do not believe they have any intention of ever making twist shifters for 10speed. If mfg's wanted them they probably would, but with just an after market audience, do not see them changing their tune.

    I think they believe the profit margins on the push lever shifters is much greater, make everyone use them. Kind of disappointing. When i go to 10 speed will probably use Shimano. Their new 10speed has the fast cable pull, so it should shift crisp like SRAM.

    Or use Thumb Shifters like D8.

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    My first experience with SRAM was back in 2002..I'd cut off a good part of my right thumb...
    Rocket grippers saved the day and my XT system was up and running..

    In 05' I went XO all the way and loved it...

    Needless to say there will be no triggers or thumbies in my future....

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    Maybe SRAM hasn't perfected the 2x10 grippers. Give it some more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NVIbex
    Maybe SRAM hasn't perfected the 2x10 grippers. Give it some more time.

    Roll up a fatty and see what tomorrow brings
    Yeah, I'll chill and try a little patience...

    Oh, the Phatty helped

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    Just stumbled across this thread, another vote here for 10sp twisties. I've been using them for years and I still prefer them to thumbs and triggers. Never had any issues with any of the discs I've used including XT, XTR, Juicy Ultimate, K24, Marta, Louise a few others I can't remember off the top of my head and my current R1's. To the other Big S, please bring them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Look people, a hundred people on mtbr isn't enough demand for them to tool up to offer twist-grip shifters for 10 speeds. The 9speed versions sell poorly as is, the last thing they want to do is lose more money on another version. The only reason SRAM ever got sales for gripshifts in the first place (because compared to shimano, the things sucked until after they bought Sachs out and got their shifter designs and tooling) was because shimano stopped offering seperate shifters and brake levers. Once shimano began offering seperate shifter pods again, gripshift sales began falling. And that's why SRAM had to respond and did so with their rapidfire-like shifter pods.
    100 people on MTBR = 10,000 worldwide

    I'll swap out my 8 speed gear for 10 if they build the twisty shifts!
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    I want some

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    Id buy a pair too.

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    Not only would I buy 10 sp gripshift, but thats the only way I will buy the 10 sp der, cass, and chain.

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    I would definitely pick up a set

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    Keep posting, we want our 2X10 GripShifters

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    Me too! Way overdue!!!!!!!!

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    I want my 10 spd grippers

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    Build them and I will come!

    I'll definately buy a set, and maybe 2!

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    so do i!!

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    Good job! 2x10 grippers........NOW!!!


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    I'm down for them

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    Has anyone seen this??
    It was posted in the Weight Weenies section.

    Quote Originally Posted by fantic26
    a new HD Video ModII 10 speed + xtr rd-m980 2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B17aqpBeuiM

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    Yeah, people have been talking about that. Some guy in Europe does the mod. Not sure what he charges.
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    I talked to the Sram guys at Outerbike after my demo of the X0 2x10 stuff and I was told the 10 speed twisters are coming. They are working on them and would probably be the first of next year. I really liked the 10 speed stuff, didn't know that I would, but I loved the way it shifts and the gearing seemed fine for the 29er I tried.

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    Thanks for the heads up

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    Want my 10 speed grip shifters

    The thumb shift guys can argue all they want, but I've been using grip shifts since the mid 90s. There is nothing as fast, accurate, light, trouble free, reliable, and economical as a grip shifter. Not to mention how clean it looks on the bike. Over the years, I have acquired 5 mountain bikes. Every one of them has grip shifters and I have tried all of the latest thumb shifters and get real bored with how slow they shift not to mention not being able to "dial" my FD in perfectly. And nothing beats being able to dump as many gears as you want either up or down the cassette! I have X.O grip shifts and some old shimano derailleurs using the ROCKET grip shifters. Bought up as many grip shifters as I could find at 9 speed as I am concerned I will never get them for 10 speed. I WILL NOT upgrade to 10 without a grip shifter. By the way--the grip shifter will last forever, it's only the "grips" that wear out.

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    Nice work cruz, with my current hand problem triggers won't work for the long rides I enjoy.

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    [QUOTE=cruzthepug]They are working on them and would probably be the first of next year.QUOTE]

    Sweet. Any word on how they will be offered - XX, XO or one size fits most?


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    SRAM,
    We're still here and waiting.....
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    Listen! Performance first / weight second / cost?.whatever it takes..........


    I'll hold out for SRAM to get their 10 speed gripper

    And if they don't, I'll stay 1X9 and 2X9

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    Just got a new bike with the X0 2x10. Did not mind the trigger shifters but still much prefer the twist shifters. What i did notice is the 10 speed shifting is not near as crisp as the 9 speed. And do not think it is an adjustment issue. Plus on the outer cogs really slow. On the big cog slow coming off it and the small cog, very slow in going up.

    Personally i can't really see the advantage of 2x10. Any weight savings in the crankset seems to be offset by a heavier cassette.

    Going to ride it some more, maybe my opinion will change.

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    mtbdcd,

    Real world photos of the "new" 2x10 XO please

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    I agree!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Pay
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    Real world photos of the "new" 2x10 XO please
    Lets see this "new bike with the X0 2x10" components

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    I'm not gonna let this thread fade away....SRAM, we want our 10 speed grippers

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    SRAM - how about pics of the development and prototypes?

    Coming soon to a Christmas tree near me?


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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_yeti
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    I'm currently running a 1x9 (XO Gripshift) setup on my Ellsworth Truth, I have Sachs twisters on my commuter & classic hardtail Cannondale that I use for guiding. I raced motocross for 12 years so the twisters are more intuitive for me in addition to being able to dump gears in either direction, ablitiy to trim front der on my bikes that have a front shifter.

    Bottom line: I'll be sticking to 9sp until 10sp twisters are here!
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    you think I can run 9 speed x0 gripshifts (or x9) with a 10 speed X9 rear derailleur?
    Of course i'll accept I can use only 9 gears.....

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    My turn... I'd love to see some 2x10 twisties....
    This past year I swapped to trigger's on my standard 3x9 set up for relearning triggers in anticipation of new 2x10 and liked the 3x9 alot... precise and confident action.
    Now that I have 2x10, I crave for twist shifting... the 2x10 trigger shifting is too light of an action and very vague...
    Bring us twisties!

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    I am finally retiring my gripshift...

    ...after almost 10 years. Never a missed shift, never a problem. Light, durable, functional. And they're the old 5.0s - not even top of the line.

    I'm "upgrading" to a newer (1x9) one simply because I'm giving my old bike to my brother, but I'd love to run 1x10. Not gonna happen without a gripshifter, though.

    I sell a lot of bikes to people who want 10 speed but also want gripshift and end up going 9 speed. SRAM, you should make some gripshift of some kind for 10 speed...

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    Used Grip Shift from 1995-2004 and every time I got a new bike with Rapid Fire I ended up swapping out for Grip Shift (with SRAM rear derailleur).

    Let the SRAM rep talk me into using triggers in late 2003 on one of my bikes (ie FREE), they worked good and eventually I was using their triggers on all my bikes. But last spring I switched back to Grip Shifts and wonder why I ever left...they are just sooo much better. I'm looking at getting a new bike for 2011, but really want Grip Shift on it so GET WITH IT SRAM!

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    You know, all those Grip Shift "nay-sayers" out there always say "I (you) would never use Grip Shift, 'cause I accidentally shift it when putting body english into the bars."

    Well, I have X.0 GS on my Cinco and I don't think I've EVER accidentally shifted.

    Now on the other hand, I just added a bike to my quiver (a 2011 Specialized SJ Comp 29'er) that came w/ X.9 3x10 triggers. I accidentally shift the release trigger ALL THE TIME. Just the way my thumb sits on the bars, when I go over a bump or torque on the bars, my thumb hits the trigger and boom, I'm either in a harder gear in the back, or dropping the chain in the front.

    C'MON SRAM! GET US 10 SPEED GRIP SHIFT! I'll switch out my Cinco AND put new shifters on my Specialized!

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    Outside of the trigger/twist shift difference, how did feel the 10 speed shifting compared to the 9 speed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdcd
    Outside of the trigger/twist shift difference, how did feel the 10 speed shifting compared to the 9 speed?

    I find the 10 speed shift vaguer than 9 speed, myself

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    That is my impression too. First time i rode the X0 10 speed felt the shifting was much slower than the 9 speed(X0). Been riding it for about 3 weeks, and yesterday went to my old bike with the 9 speed. Still feel the same way, 10 is not near as crisp.

    However, the 10 speed as a long cage RD, while my 9 speed has a mid-cage. Wonder if that could be the difference?

    Before i tried it, would have guessed the opposite, i.e. the 10 speed quicker, but not so.

    Not that the 10 speed is bad, just feels sluggish like Shimano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdcd
    That is my impression too. First time i rode the X0 10 speed felt the shifting was much slower than the 9 speed(X0). Been riding it for about 3 weeks, and yesterday went to my old bike with the 9 speed. Still feel the same way, 10 is not near as crisp.

    However, the 10 speed as a long cage RD, while my 9 speed has a mid-cage. Wonder if that could be the difference?

    Before i tried it, would have guessed the opposite, i.e. the 10 speed quicker, but not so.

    Not that the 10 speed is bad, just feels sluggish like Shimano.

    I'm actually running a long cage on my 2x10 system now (long story) and I don't notice a difference between it and the mid cage 2x10 der I was using...

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    Well, I wish I could have a GS to GS comparison to really get a feel for how the 10 speed stuff shifts. But, if wishes were fishes...

    I'll say this; the 10 speed rear shifts fine. I don't find any vagueness at all in the rear (wow, that sounds kinda dirty... ) but the front shifting is a different story. It shifts fine from low to high, but not so much the other way. Like the spring isn't strong enough to pull the chain from the big ring to the middle.

    For a comparison, I just had my Cinco refurbished by Moots (re-bead blast the frame, new bearings in the pivots, etc.) so I had it torn down. When I rebuilt it, I put all new cables on it, which is running X.0 9 speed w/Grip Shift. I'd say it shift a bit smoother than the 10 speed bike when it was new, but it is very minor.

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    Well, I wish I could have a GS to GS comparison to really get a feel for how the 10 speed stuff shifts. But, if wishes were fishes...

    I'll say this; the 10 speed rear shifts fine. I don't find any vagueness at all in the rear (wow, that sounds kinda dirty... ) but the front shifting is a different story. It shifts fine from low to high, but not so much the other way. Like the spring isn't strong enough to pull the chain from the big ring to the middle.

    For a comparison, I just had my Cinco refurbished by Moots (re-bead blast the frame, new bearings in the pivots, etc.) so I had it torn down. When I rebuilt it, I put all new cables on it, which is running X.0 9 speed w/Grip Shift. I'd say it shift a bit smoother than the 10 speed bike when it was new, but it is very minor.

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    I agree. My bikes will stay 9 speed till SRAM [B]wakes up[/B ] and get us the goods....10 speed Gripshift. Been on all my bikes since 1994, would never use triggers. Never accidently shifted with them, but have many times with triggers no matter where I put them. First thing to come off any new bikes as soon as I get them.

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    Give us XX 2x10 Gripshift SRAM

    I'm onboard!

    SRAM 2x10 Gripshift. It's a must. For those of us who have always raced Gripshift. I can't believe while the MTB's are moving on from 3x9, SRAM are assuming we've all grown out of Gripshift. Madness

    Come on SRAM sort it out.......(fast!) (new bike turn up soon with 'XX Trigger things)

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    I just recently read (don't ask me where) that Sram will have a 2x10 Grip Shift next spring...I hope it is true!

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    A spring arrival would be ok. Sooner would be grrrreat!

    The 'season of good will' is just around the corner, so some 2x10 Gripshift please SRAM, (or Santa Claus)..........

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    Count me in. I am waiting for Grip Shift before changing to 10 speed. In fact, I just bought a new 9 speed group because the 10 speed grip shifts are not out...

    Glenn

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    From Sram's Facebook page....

    "SRAM
    Sorry guys. Even I'm not sure what's going on with it. I will post any info once I've found out."

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...079&post=76923
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    I think the best we can do is to ask shimano to do gripshifts for 10s
    I'm sure they will not leave this chance if they see enough people interested
    And a way to strike SRAM

    Can someone open a request post in the shimano forum?

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    I truly doubt Shimano would ever make Grip Shift, even if tons of people asked. Even when they lost market share to Sram back when all they offered was Grip Shift, Shimano didn't do a twist shifter.

    We need to keep hounding Sram...they'll cave.

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    shimano makes gripshifters (revo SIS) for nexus ,... since years ago

    So they can easily do them for 10s
    I repeat: It would be a very clever strike to sram

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    Sram turn down the suck knob and get us our 10 speed twisters!!!!

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    Count me in w/10 speed gripshift and about 10 of my friends as well.

    All trigger shifters suck. XO 9speed twisties are the best performing shifters out there. Bring it in 10 speed.

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    I would make the leap to shimano if they offered grip shift and sram failed to bring it.

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    My wife and I have run twisters for over 10 years and numerous bikes. She and I are both looking at new rigs for 2010 and it's a shame that we will have to choose between running thumb shifters or retro fitting new bikes w/ X9/XO 9 speed drivetrains. She REFUSES to use thumbshifters and I LOVE being able to dump all my gears w/ one twist.
    Please give us the gripshifters.

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    Change Casette to Achieve Result

    I'm about to buy a complete bike with XO 2x10 crank / casette. Would I be able to switch to an XO 9-gear grip shift if I switched the 10-ring casette out for a 9-ring casette?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T
    I'm about to buy a complete bike with XO 2x10 crank / casette. Would I be able to switch to an XO 9-gear grip shift if I switched the 10-ring casette out for a 9-ring casette?
    Unfortunately, the new 10 speed stuff uses a different leverage/pull ratio than the 9 speed stuff does. The 9 speed stuff is 1:1 and the new stuff is Sram's Exact Actuation. Which means if you want to switch to 9 speed GS, you'll need new shifters, a cassette AND a rear derailleur. Not 100% on the front derailleur, but since the GS is a "micro shift" I wouldn't see why you couldn't do it.

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    The FD is no problem. Every FD works finde with any kind of "shifting lever".

    There`s one guy who modifies the grip shifters. He can make your right twister work with a 10-gear rear derailleur. Search für fantic26, perhaps you should have a look in the ibc forum www.mtb-news.de/forum

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    Just can't wait to get some new twisties for my Stumpy 2X10. Woulda put off buying it if I knew they weren't making them yet.

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    Maybe in 2011?

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    yes, spring 2011. it's already been posted but has been drowned in all the people whining about wanting them now.

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    Posted where?
    I have never seen anything from SRAM saying they are going to make 10speed twist shifters. Only posts about someone talking to someone who spoke with someone that works for SRAM that it is the works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdcd
    Posted where?
    I have never seen anything from SRAM saying they are going to make 10speed twist shifters. Only posts about someone talking to someone who spoke with someone that works for SRAM that it is the works.
    +1 If it's a Spring release, then we'd have already seen spy shots and maybe an early report. So far, just rumors.
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    Has anyone had any luck getting the modified grip shifts from the guy that modifies them .... I have been trying to get a set for a few months now and have not been having any luck

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    SRAM... it is taking too long for 10SPD GS. My brand love for you is on life support. HURRY FRIGGIN UP!

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    Maybe they plan on coming out with a 10spd twisties but I wouldn't bet too much on it....I heard that 9spd X0 twisties are OUT for 2011. Get them while/if you still can....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldass
    SRAM... it is taking too long for 10SPD GS. My brand love for you is on life support. HURRY FRIGGIN UP!
    You took the words right out of my mouth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu
    I've been using GripShift since the early 90's. I'm finally getting a new bike soon that will have a 2x10 X0/X9 setup. I'll try to get used to the triggers, but will probably switch to twist shifters if/when they are available.
    Isn't it a shame that they went to a "quarter pipe" on their newer shifters vs the older ESP stuff. I bought brand new X9 8 speed grippers before they sold out and never bothered to put them on the bike because of increased profile.

    When SRAM finally gets the Exact Actuation Grips out, I hope they make them thinner, or at least include some options so the grip is in 2 pieces and can be removed to suit rider preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsj3831
    Maybe they plan on coming out with a 10spd twisties but I wouldn't bet too much on it....I heard that 9spd X0 twisties are OUT for 2011. Get them while/if you still can....

    QBP seems to have a bunch in stock.

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    SRAM, with such a huge delay getting 10 speed twisties out, it is undoubted that you will lose business - and not just for the bikes that twist shift fans intend to put twist shifters onto.

    take me for example.

    i currently run 9-speed X.0 on ALL my bikes. twist shifters on the commuter, twist shifters on the xc race bike, and x.0 triggers on the 6" AM bike. i prefer the security of a full solid grip on the AM bike, so put up with the triggers on that bike. I first went X.0 in 2004, and, since then, I haven't bought any shimano shifters or rear derailleurs since.

    i've been keen to get 10 speed onto the xc race bike for quite a while, but there's no way i'm going to trigger shifters for enduro racing - my hands simply cannot cope. so 9-speed stays on the race bike.

    strangely enough, the lack of twist shifters from sram is now making me actually start to re-consider my views on shimano.

    i'm now looking at building up a new 6" trail bike. I've got a full build up required. For the brakes and drivetrain, I'm actually a little undecided. all sram? mix of sram/shimano (i like shimano cranks)? wait a minute.... maybe the rear shifting of shimano is catching up...

    if sram already had twist shifters for 10 speed, i'd already have them on my xc race bike, and i wouldn't have ever even read the reviews on the 2011 xtr brakes/drivetrain, and would've got straight to a 10-speed x.0/xx setup on my AM bike.

    i have previously liked the idea of running components on my bikes that are compatible across the bikes - ie. knowing that if something fails on one bike, you can swap parts from another bike until a spare part is sourced. without 10 speed sram on my xc bike, i've now got nothing holding me back from looking at shimano for the AM bike.

    so, with all the rave reviews, i'm currently leaning towards shimano on the AM bike. For the first time, a "full" groupset: XTR trail brakes, pedals, 38/26 crank, 11-36 cassette, chain, shifters, fd, rd.

    could anyone here tell me why i shouldn't do it? still undecided...

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    sclyde2,
    I agree.
    I want to 10 speed soon, and the new XTR is pretty sweet.
    If I have to go back to triggers, I prefer Shimano over Sram.
    Maybe I'll go back to Sram if they ever get the 10sp twisters out...maybe.

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    ^ +2

    I've sprained both thumbs in various bike and ski crashes and don't want to know about trigger shifters, but the Shimano are the lesser evil IMO as not all the shifts require using the thumb. Hopefully the rumoured Sram twisters will actually be announced and arrive some time this year. It'd be good if they weren't only available in XXX for $50000 too...

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    Hi SRAM, hope you're listening to this thread, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I started riding Grip Shift with the SRT-600 waaay back in the seven speed days, which replaced some Shimano 200 GS “push push” style triggers that broke. I stuck with you when the SRT-800 "X-Ray" arrived when we all moved to eight speed drive trains, always with Shimano derailleur’s. I still have at least three sets of X-Rays in a box somewhere. Loved the light weight, simplicity, and positive action on them, but hated how finicky they were with the Big S's rear mechs. I used all the tricks of the day to keep things working smooth - Bassworms, Nightcrawler seals, aftermarket parallelogram springs, coated cables, etc. It was extra work but I loved the simplicity and light weight of the twisters compared to the Shimano triggers of the era.

    SRAM advocate Ed Nasjleti hooked me up with first gen 1:1 style 9.0 shifters and rear derailleur back in 1997 or so, and I've never used anything but your stuff since then. The 1:1 shifters with your derailleur was just bang on. Oh I've tried going back to the Big S a few times since then, usually when I picked up a new bike and that's what it came with. Never for long though, as it never worked as well as what you offered. It was always heavier and way more finicky. I could go almost a full season of riding with nary a derailleur adjustment with the 1:1 stuff.

    Working in the industry and getting new bikes frequently, the routine became to order your twisters and rear derail when I ordered a new bike. I tried your triggers a few times as well, but they really didn't do it for me (heavier, slower, more expensive) so I swapped them out for XO twisters whenever they came on a new bike.

    Now it's 2011, and this seasons new frame is about to arrive. I'd really love to keep on trucking with you SRAM, but without a 10 speed twister I'm afraid you're going to lose me as a customer after 15+ years. If I have to go with some form of triggers in order to run 10 speed, I'm headed to Shimano for new XTR Trail. You've always lagged Shimano in cassettes, chains, front derailleur performance, and chain ring profiles, but you had always earned a spot on my bike with your shifters and rear derailleur’s. But, without the option of a ten speed set of twisters I'm going to have to move on without you.

    Win me back SRAM. Offer us trail riders, racers, weight weenies, and KISS types a twist shifter. Don't forget your roots.

    - Alex in Colorado.

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    This bloke just decided it was time too move on.

    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SRAM-XO-twist...item4156a07e61

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    we are lucky here in Spain
    There is a boy that tunes X.0 9s gripshifters to work perfectly with 9s/10s sram (including XX) and 2011 shimano RD
    and cheap and fast

    now I'm waiting for mine for a new 2011 X.9 RD

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    I have read the thread and need to add my +1. I'll hang onto 9 speed for years to come if there is no grip shift for 10 speed.

    And to those who say, "SRAM is focused on OEM and these aren't OEM because that makes the money" yeah I get what you're saying, but it doesn't change the fact that these shifters are one of SRAM's best products, if not the best.

    Here is a little experiment... These are ALL shifter models with over 10 reviews and a rating over 4.5 on MTBR:
    Sachs Power Grip Extreme Shifter
    Shimano XT Top Mounts (aka thumb shifters)
    SRAM 1999 DI.R.T. Plasma
    SRAM 1999 ESP 9.0 SL
    SRAM 2002 9.0™ Shorty Shifter
    SRAM 2002 XO
    SRAM 2006 X.0 Twist Shifter
    SRAM Rocket Trigger Shifters
    SRAM X.0 Twist
    Suntour XC Pro Top Mount Shifter

    Notice that there is only one trigger shifter in there, two thumb shifters, and many models of twist shifters.

    Like many have said, these things are:
    Very light - not just the unit itself but if you count the length of grip you cut off...
    Reliable - have never heard of a high end version breaking or becoming sloppy
    Cheap - Top model can be had for around $60 a set
    Work great - as evidenced by this very long thread with so many passionate posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by STS
    we are lucky here in Spain
    There is a boy that tunes X.0 9s gripshifters to work perfectly with 9s/10s sram (including XX) and 2011 shimano RD
    and cheap and fast

    now I'm waiting for mine for a new 2011 X.9 RD
    Does anybody have the email address of the folks that are doing this modification either in Spain or Germany?

    Wouldn't it be nice if someone in the USA would do this as well?

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    Imagine if a start-up company came out with a line of better GripShift - TwistShift products - compatible with the latest 10-speed drivetrains.

    They could quickly become a player in the groupset market and establish a position that could one day rival Shimano and SRAM (and perhaps pass them).

    --- Ah that's SRAM story. Could it be ironic that SRAM leaving the GripShift world could make an opportunity for a new company to emerge that would one day surpass and rival SRAM? What goes round comes round.... and here is a chance.

    Is there is a designer out there with the skill, talent and ideas to make a better GripShift 10spd? PM me and we'll go from there.

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    This is the reason i have not upgraded to 10 speed.

    Also I like my current 9 speed setup with gripshifts. Though i use shimano cranks and cogs, everything else is sram for the transmission.

    I also am a Weight Winnie and an additional cog will be heavier

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    No 10 Speed Gripshift, no 10 speed for me.

    C'mon SRAM don't ignore your past and alienate your core.

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    I count 178 posts from people who have somehow found this forum, and felt it important enough to ask, demand, beg for twisty shifters. What does it take to get SRAM to at least post a response? This is the SRAM forum. I assume they occasionally take a look at it.

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    OK - so after posting this thread and patiently waiting, I finally picked up the PHONE and called SRAM. Bottom line - they are planning to make 10-speed GripShift, but it's not a priority. Probably won't see it until 2012. I told them about this thread. Tech guy mentioned that quite a few "high profile" riders still use twisties. However, triggers are what seems to be caring the water. IF you'd like to share your preference for twisties, I'd suggest calling SRAM Customer Support and letting them know...

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    The problem with us getting twisters is there is no bike company spec'ing them on a bike. If just one mid-sized company would spec twist shifters, they would be available. BUT because they are an aftermarket only item, there isn't a lot of money in them. Even if everyone on this forum pre-paid for twisters, it still wouldn't equate to the sales of one size run of one model of bike.

    That being said - GIMME MY GRIP SHIFT!

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    I guess im staying 9 speed... I would love to do a 1x10, but i want an xo level gripshift !

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    I don't understand why so many people need 10spd. I just sold off the 10spd stuff on my new scalpel and put XO 9spd grip shifters on there. Works like a charm like it always did.

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    Thanks endue26. I appreciate the time and effort. Mebbe if we all call and mail they might take notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    I don't understand why so many people need 10spd. I just sold off the 10spd stuff on my new scalpel and put XO 9spd grip shifters on there. Works like a charm like it always did.
    I don't think any of us need 10 speed, but when the time comes (and it WILL) when there are no longer any high-end 9 speed parts available, we'll want 10 speed twisters. Right about then the 11 speed stuff should be available...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    I don't understand why so many people need 10spd. I just sold off the 10spd stuff on my new scalpel and put XO 9spd grip shifters on there. Works like a charm like it always did.
    Nobody "needed" 9 speed either... I'm still running 8 speed twisty shifts with XT Shadow and super rare 11-34 XTR 8 speed cassettes, which are impossible to find now.

    I do want to try 10 though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage
    Nobody "needed" 9 speed either... I'm still running 8 speed twisty shifts with XT Shadow and super rare 11-34 XTR 8 speed cassettes, which are impossible to find now.

    I do want to try 10 though...
    I would be running that setup if someone made a high end 8spd 11-34 cassette that didn't cost a fortune.

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    I've read the thread, including that they may be ready for 2012...but I am REALLY hoping they're ready to reveal at Sea Otter as a '12 model...come on SRAM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannonhead
    I've read the thread, including that they may be ready for 2012...but I am REALLY hoping they're ready to reveal at Sea Otter as a '12 model...come on SRAM
    Electric shift would be even better
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    @mattsavage: I think you'll find that your super rare 11-34 cassette is in fact 11-32 (or 12-32). Shimano never made *any* 8 speed cassettes with 34T large cogs until well after the 9 speed 34Tones became available, and then only in cheaper series. There was a 13-34 7 speed XT back in the day though, and I still have one in a box out in the garage.

    If SRAM are going to wait until 2012 to make 10 speed twisters - still not officially confirmed as yet - then I think they will have missed the boat with a lot of people.

    Also, it's pretty hard for a manufacturer to spec parts on any of their bikes when those parts do not exist. Not much point trying to order things you're not going to get then having to source something else when SRAM fails to deliver - as they would never have promised to do in this hypothetical scenario.

    I'm inclined to think the truth is that SRAM haven't yet decided if they will bother to produce 10 speed twisters. Technically it would be very simple, so they must not think the cost/benefit analysis adds up. I can see the logic to this as twisters have had very mixed press over the years, and those who don't love them tend to hate them. And those who haven't tried them cannot see the point or have friends who used older ones, some which really didn't work very well. Opinions about triggers are a lot less heated, so selling them is by far the easier course commercially.

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    Me too. I want 10 speed twist shifters.

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    Me too, no grippy's no 10speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Fubar Rider
    The problem with us getting twisters is there is no bike company spec'ing them on a bike. If just one mid-sized company would spec twist shifters, they would be available. BUT because they are an aftermarket only item, ...<snip>
    I don't recall seing X series gripshifts EVER being specced on new bikes going back to 2004. Before that I saw some Shimano compatible stuff. It's safe to say however that Gripshift and OEM on performance bikes has not been part of the SRAM business plan for a VERY long time.

    What HAS changed is SRAM's excellent lineup of trigger shifters which are now actually being speceed on OEM bikes thanks in part to Shimano's trying to force dual control on the market. So what is SRAM's motivation behind neglecting gripshifts. Well, they probably don't feel they don't "need" them anymore.

    It seems to me that SRAM is committing the same folly as Shimano with their dual control. They are abandoning what made them great for the better thing. For Shimano, that was triggers, for SRAM that was Gripshifts. That's not to say that Dual Control (Shimano) and Triggers (SRAM) are not good shifting methods that suit many consumers. But that's not what MADE those companies excellent. Abandoning your origins just isn't a good thing.

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    I'm late to jump on the bandwagon, but I would like to migrate my Fisher X-Cal to 10 speed, which would give me swappability with the rear wheel of my new Salsa Vaya with a 2x10 SRAM drive train. But, I switched out the OEM SRAM trigger shifters for X-9 gripshift, and I will not go back. The triggers just required too much thumb motion to make a shift with the larger lever.

    The grip shift is precise and quick. As much as people mention liking being able to dump the whole cassette of gears at once with the rear, I like the front better - the multitude of derailleur positions built in makes the front der. work better than any other set up I've tried - far better than the Dura-Ace road triple set up I had on my last road bike. I wish my SRAM Apex had so many trim positions on my Vaya.

    I like the gripshift so much that I switched my wife's new bike that she got last summer over to Attack shifters (for Shimano derailleurs) almost immediately. She's not a hard core rider, and she frequently mis-shifted because she didn't remember which lever was going to go which direction. The gripshift solved that problem, and she is way happier with the bike now.

    I'll go to 10 speed in the rear as soon as a Twister is available. If I could have had Twisters on the top of a drop bar, I would have put them on my Vaya.

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    *sigh* Nothing from Sea Otter... yet. Maybe they'll surprise us tomorrow.
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    I have gripshift for 10 speed shimanoo and sram xx compatible grip shifters, im selling them if youre interested, just email me to [email protected]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADDam
    *sigh* Nothing from Sea Otter... yet. Maybe they'll surprise us tomorrow.
    any news?

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    Unfortunately not.
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    Not SRAM's but they are 10 speed....

    Just saw these twist shifters on Bike Rumor.....

    http://www.bikerumor.com/2011/04/21/...ys/#more-30949

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    saw those... they look ugly and cheap... don't like the grip on them... i really like the grip on my X0 twisties... until SRAM releases 10 speed gripshifters, i'll stick with my 9-speed X0 and gripshifts for as long as I can... i should probably snag a spare 9-speed cassette soon before those get too rare... i run the XG999 one piece... super light but ungodly pricey...

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    I'm sure everybody knows the profit is much higher on the much more expensive trigger shifters. I hope SRAM is not going to force us to the trigger shifters. I would lose all respect for them. I think they are better than that and the 10 speed trigger shifters will be out soon.

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