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    New Stumpjumper has been launched

    Specialized has updated their site.

    this is the frame i saw in santa cruz a few weeks ago accidentally and was sworn to secrecy.

    https://www.specialized.com/us/en/me...=253580-157591

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    Looks like there are two models....a modified Stumpy with a little more rear travel and the ST version which looks to replaced the camber.

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    The new Stumperjumper ST does in fact replace the Camber.

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    Here is the low down on all three models from pinkbike:

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-di...mpjumpers.html

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    New Stumpjumper has been launched

    Front triangle side arm thing looks ugly and outta place when initially look at it appears to intrude on the bottle space. After seeing a few more shots starting go grow on me. Like it


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    Just watched this vid walkthrough of the new models and poked around the Specialized site a bit. Gotta say, Im relieved that it isn't a more drastic change from the 2018 model that I just bought two weeks ago =)

    Probably a bigger deal for people who are far better riders than I, but I'll be damned if I'd ever detect a half degree head tube angle difference, a few mm reach, or likely mess with the flip chip bit.

    Does look nice, but for $1500 more than I bought my 27.5 expert for, well, yee haw =)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fM0kNg0rvU

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    The EVO model looks really good, 63.5 head angle and proper long chainstays on a short-ish travel bike is a recipe for good times. Definitely not for everyone but I'm a big fan, interesting that they went with much lower stack height on it compared to the normal Stumpy though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gvus2001 View Post
    The EVO model looks really good, 63.5 head angle and proper long chainstays on a short-ish travel bike is a recipe for good times. Definitely not for everyone but I'm a big fan, interesting that they went with much lower stack height on it compared to the normal Stumpy though.
    Why no frame only option?!?

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    2018 Specialized Stumpjumper launched - Mtbr.com

    I heard it's very, very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gvus2001 View Post
    The EVO model looks really good, 63.5 head angle and proper long chainstays on a short-ish travel bike is a recipe for good times. Definitely not for everyone but I'm a big fan, interesting that they went with much lower stack height on it compared to the normal Stumpy though.
    Stack is just too high on the large+ sizes for aggressive riders.

    Good review here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2fM0kNg0rvU

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    Couple random thoughts.

    The geometry of the 27.5 regular stumpjumper looks great. Wish it was the same in 29

    Stumpjumper evo is a good deal as full bike. Buy it and strip if you want a frame option

    Likewise comp carbon is only 1000 more than a frame. Same carbon frame.

    Every review ive read so far (and lately) is from a reviewer who is 6-2 or taller and complain about not having a long enough dropper etc. do normal height people not review bikes? Isnt average height 5-9 to 6í?

    Frankly I was about to pull the trigger on a rocky mountain instinct. Now this has me thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gvus2001 View Post
    The EVO model looks really good, 63.5 head angle and proper long chainstays on a short-ish travel bike is a recipe for good times. Definitely not for everyone but I'm a big fan, interesting that they went with much lower stack height on it compared to the normal Stumpy though.
    EVO geometry is amazing but only one model? No carbon option or frame only. Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery View Post

    The geometry of the 27.5 regular stumpjumper looks great. Wish it was the same in 29.
    100% agree. No idea what they were thinking there.

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    Comp Carbon is the same frame as S-Works. They should have gone to 12m just like tarmac went to 12r on the PRO and S-Works models. Just another disappointment.

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    Hmmm. A lot to take in and think about.

    This will bear serious consideration....
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    Quote Originally Posted by enjoi525 View Post
    Comp Carbon is the same frame as S-Works. They should have gone to 12m just like tarmac went to 12r on the PRO and S-Works models. Just another disappointment.
    You're asking for more marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    100% agree. No idea what they were thinking there.
    I wonder (doubt) if you could fit a 29er rear wheel in a 27.5 frame. Probably not with more than a 2.3 tire. Or If you could frankenbike a 29er read end on the longer 27.5 front

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    You're asking for more marketing.
    No, I'm asking for more performance and lighter weight if I have to spend more proportionately. You can get a complete bike with the same Sworks frame for $1000 more. When I buy a Santa Cruz CC frame only I know I'm getting a frame that's lighter than the entry level C frame. Just like the CC, S-Works is supposed to be and has been the lightest available option on pro and above models. A higher modulus carbon is used to achieve the same frame strength but at a lower weight since less is needed. The current Sworks is just marketing as you're paying for a sticker and I'm not asking for that.

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    The carbon frame and s-works carbon frame are not the same... Maybe something has changed, I've messaged the specialized crew.

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    Too bad there is no XXL in alloy models...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    Stack is just too high on the large+ sizes for aggressive riders.

    Good review here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2fM0kNg0rvU
    I find stack is a very opinion based thing, I'm a pretty aggressive rider/racer and have always liked a higher front end, it helps with weight distribution on steeper trails. I wonder if Specialized lowered the stack to try to make it a bit easier to weight the front wheel with the slacker head angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enjoi525 View Post
    No, I'm asking for more performance and lighter weight if I have to spend more proportionately. You can get a complete bike with the same Sworks frame for $1000 more. When I buy a Santa Cruz CC frame only I know I'm getting a frame that's lighter than the entry level C frame. Just like the CC, S-Works is supposed to be and has been the lightest available option on pro and above models. A higher modulus carbon is used to achieve the same frame strength but at a lower weight since less is needed. The current Sworks is just marketing as you're paying for a sticker and I'm not asking for that.
    Or the opposite... make the comp carbon cheaper and a bit heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    The carbon frame and s-works carbon frame are not the same... Maybe something has changed, I've messaged the specialized crew.
    All the carbon models are full 11m for 2019. 2018 had 11m for higher end models and 9m front triangle and m5 alloy rear triangle on comp and expert models. Please let us know what you hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enjoi525 View Post
    No, I'm asking for more performance and lighter weight if I have to spend more proportionately. You can get a complete bike with the same Sworks frame for $1000 more. When I buy a Santa Cruz CC frame only I know I'm getting a frame that's lighter than the entry level C frame. Just like the CC, S-Works is supposed to be and has been the lightest available option on pro and above models. A higher modulus carbon is used to achieve the same frame strength but at a lower weight since less is needed. The current Sworks is just marketing as you're paying for a sticker and I'm not asking for that.
    It's likely cheaper to just buy more quantity and perform one lay-up pattern than use different prepreg. It's all just Toray junk anyway. If the supposedly higher end bikes used aerospace/military grade prepreg it might be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gvus2001 View Post
    I find stack is a very opinion based thing, I'm a pretty aggressive rider/racer and have always liked a higher front end, it helps with weight distribution on steeper trails. I wonder if Specialized lowered the stack to try to make it a bit easier to weight the front wheel with the slacker head angle.
    Yeah I get that it is terrain dependent to a degree but it's easier to raise a bar height with a short headtube than be limited in how long you can go with a long one. Low bar height is key for front grip for me.

    Check out Graves slamming the stem on medium in the Vital vid.

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    All sizes and models are showing 170 cranks. I'm a cross country guy and like the uphills just as much as the downhills. Any thoughts on all bikes having these smaller cranks for climbing and technical uphills? The bikes are still very much oriented to the Enduro side of riding versus XC. Maybe one day they will give me a 27.5 Epic but I'm not holding my breath.

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    totally looks like Orbea Rallon, except the brace is on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBoardman View Post
    Why no frame only option?!?
    S-Works frame-only: $3200

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery View Post
    I wonder (doubt) if you could fit a 29er rear wheel in a 27.5 frame. Probably not with more than a 2.3 tire. Or If you could frankenbike a 29er read end on the longer 27.5 front
    Now that I think about it. Maybe the little shorter reach isn't as bad as I thought. If you're ok with the higher stack. There was an interesting article I saw a few years ago:
    Reach: Bike geometry tables haven't done the math for us - WheelSizeAgnostic

    Talking about pythagorean "length" of a bike = sqrt( reach ^ 2 + stack ^ 2) . Also you can lower the stack height and gain reach by slamming the stem and doing a lower rise bar.

    Should also be noted in the vitalmtb video that both Graves and Keene mention they size down from the last model...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    It's likely cheaper to just buy more quantity and perform one lay-up pattern than use different prepreg. It's all just Toray junk anyway. If the supposedly higher end bikes used aerospace/military grade prepreg it might be worth it.
    I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about.... Toray have in their product line every grade of carbon you could desire, there are some specific tow's that other companies make that are nice, spread tow solutions come to mind, but in terms of modulus Toray have UHM fibre that is well beyond the stiffness of anything used in a commercially available bike frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macca208 View Post
    I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about.... Toray have in their product line every grade of carbon you could desire, there are some specific tow's that other companies make that are nice, spread tow solutions come to mind, but in terms of modulus Toray have UHM fibre that is well beyond the stiffness of anything used in a commercially available bike frame.
    Listen to the Cesar Rojo podcast on Vital.

    Commercially available prepreg sheet specs don't have the impact resistance or strength to weight ratio of the aerospace grade product they had to sign legal papers to use. I've heard this criticism of low grade product before, when McLaren partnered with Specialized for example.

    You're absolutely right, I'm not a composites engineer! Far from it. I've been told from people in the industry that paying more for higher spec carbon is mostly marketing as product used is identical with a more complex lay-up.

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    Its all a nice marketing spiel, but the reality is that its available to buy, and more to the point, nobody in the bike game is using anywhere near the top end of what is actually available on the market.

    Ultra thin laminates of 15gsm in UHM can be sourced today, and this is what F1 cars and high end race yachts (what I build) are using. You won't see that on bikes yet, but when someone does it you will actually see how far we can go with materials....

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    Quote Originally Posted by macca208 View Post
    I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about.... Toray have in their product line every grade of carbon you could desire, there are some specific tow's that other companies make that are nice, spread tow solutions come to mind, but in terms of modulus Toray have UHM fibre that is well beyond the stiffness of anything used in a commercially available bike frame.
    Yes, but then you have to develop multiple layup plans for the different grade fibers. Simplicity costs less to engineer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery View Post
    Yes, but then you have to develop multiple layup plans for the different grade fibers. Simplicity costs less to engineer.
    When you are building the amount of bikes Specialized do, the engineering costs are negligible.
    The material costs are higher with these newer type fibres, but when you figure that the material costs for a frame are only a couple of hundred bucks, its also a small part of the retail price.

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    How good is the 12M found on the S-WORKS Epic and Tarmac? They claim itís Japanese military grade fiber... marketing fluff or real improvements in materials? What company would this be as toray is Japanese.

    Quote Originally Posted by macca208 View Post
    Its all a nice marketing spiel, but the reality is that its available to buy, and more to the point, nobody in the bike game is using anywhere near the top end of what is actually available on the market.

    Ultra thin laminates of 15gsm in UHM can be sourced today, and this is what F1 cars and high end race yachts (what I build) are using. You won't see that on bikes yet, but when someone does it you will actually see how far we can go with materials....

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    Anyone been able to determine frame weight especially the ST sworks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    How good is the 12M found on the S-WORKS Epic and Tarmac? They claim itís Japanese military grade fiber... marketing fluff or real improvements in materials? What company would this be as toray is Japanese.
    The 12m is good, I rode a new Tarmac the other day, it was very impressive. I would need to cut one up and do a burn test to really know what was going on inside, so if someone wants to donate a 12m frame I am happy to do it.....

    Essentially it comes down to modulus, the standard modulus carbon has a Youngs Modulus (measure of tension stiffness) of 265000 MPa whilst Ultra High mod is around 966000 MPa

    But the real gains are made in using very thin layers that are accurately placed to optimize strength and stiffness.

    Most cloth you buy to build in carbon is 150gsm as the lightest and a lot of it is 400gsm for large areas that need high strength.

    We use in some special applications all the way down to 15gsm and this is where you can get very nice gains. There are challenges with using such a thin material, but once you have that sorted its impressive where you can take things.

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    Great info Macca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    S-Works frame-only: $3200
    I was interested in an Aluminum EVO frame

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    Got to ride one around the parking lot today and it felt really good. Hopefully I can find one to take out on the trails soon.

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    Consider the 650b 150/150mm bike for this discussion,

    Would running a 42mm offset lyrik versus the spec'd 46mm be an area of concern? It would shorten the wheel base ever so slightly and and you would be riding a bit more over the front tire. I was also considering running the 42mm fork at 160mm instead of 150mm,


    thanks for any input~!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    Consider the 650b 150/150mm bike for this discussion,

    Would running a 42mm offset lyrik versus the spec'd 46mm be an area of concern? It would shorten the wheel base ever so slightly and and you would be riding a bit more over the front tire. I was also considering running the 42mm fork at 160mm instead of 150mm,


    thanks for any input~!!!
    I was shitty at geometry in high school (although mainly because I just slept in class and never did homework.) That said, and without busting out science and calculators and formulas and stuff, when you raise the front end 10mm that is gonna push the wheelbase out a hair... possibly a similar hair to the 4mm offset difference. I'm not the princess and the pea, so from my novice perspective, good luck being able to discern a couple MM in wheelbase.

    How much difference the slight head tube angle change, seat tube angle, bottom bracket height, and fork offset would make is way beyond me, but I suppose the uberest of riders would notice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    Stack is just too high on the large+ sizes for aggressive riders.

    Good review here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2fM0kNg0rvU
    I disagree. Us taller guys with sorta long legs are getting shafted with the silly low stack heights. The Camber was the bike for me and the new Stumpy is fairly close. Somebody needs to not try so hard to be like every other Kona / Santa Cruz in town.

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    No frame only option in ST model so I am out. I guess I could switch shock and yoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafu View Post
    Too bad there is no XXL in alloy models...
    Glad I got my XXL 2018. Fits me perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery View Post
    I wonder (doubt) if you could fit a 29er rear wheel in a 27.5 frame. Probably not with more than a 2.3 tire. Or If you could frankenbike a 29er read end on the longer 27.5 front
    I don't see why not. From what I have read each bike has clearance for a 3" tire. If the 27.5 has clearance for a 27.5x3 tire then it will have clearance for a 29er.

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    My friend believes that a 170mm fork on the Stumpy 29 will turn it into the perfect shred sled. Anyone think thatís a bad idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crockpot2001 View Post
    I disagree. Us taller guys with sorta long legs are getting shafted with the silly low stack heights. The Camber was the bike for me and the new Stumpy is fairly close. Somebody needs to not try so hard to be like every other Kona / Santa Cruz in town.
    There's always more spacers and higher rise bars for you guys.

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    Why call it the 2019 Stumpjumper? Look I get it, retailers have been doing this for decades, but why? Are we not living in the year 2018? Did this bike time travel back a year?

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    Nest year's bikes are coming out earlier and earlier. When can I get a 2020? By Xmas??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sideknob View Post
    Nest year's bikes are coming out earlier and earlier. When can I get a 2020? By Xmas??
    It looks like the this May the 2020 models will be released! By Xmas you should be able to get your hands on a 2029 or maybe even a 2030 if they release them early! Would suggest you wait till then, the new linkage looks sick. Posted a spy shot below
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    The black/red aluminum 29er would look good with that new Marzocchi Bomber Z1 up front.

    I really like a lot of the touches Specialized did for these. 200mm rotor up front, 780mm bars, 2.6 tires, threaded BB. Really a bike most anyone can hop on and ride and not feel the need to change out stuff right away it looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjames12 View Post
    The black/red aluminum 29er would look good with that new Marzocchi Bomber Z1 up front.

    I really like a lot of the touches Specialized did for these. 200mm rotor up front, 780mm bars, 2.6 tires, threaded BB. Really a bike most anyone can hop on and ride and not feel the need to change out stuff right away it looks like.
    Most of those aren't new to the latest release. 2018 had the 200 up front, 780 bars, and 2.6 tires (at least on the 27.5in model.) BB change is new though.

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    I picked a 2019 up today. I will upload pics when I get home...

    Bike specs
    2019 FSR Comp 150m travel 27.5

    After a short trail ride the following are my impressions:

    Pros-
    Very impressive geometry handles climbs and descends with ease
    Very impressive suspension set up...Zero complaints
    Bike feels MUCH longer/slacker than the specs suggests

    Cons-
    Pedal strikes are going to be a thing to deal with
    Paint seems thin...Already picked up a few scratches from the bike ride and the trail ride. Will have to armor this bike up for the areas that receive attention.

    General -
    I usually ride large bikes (height 5'10). They looked at the bike measurements when I ordered and suggested I go with a medium. I argued but then agreed. I'm glad I listened. I fit on the medium with the seat almost all of the way down. I rode the large and it was a no go....It seems/feels larger than the last Stumpy.

    I am not a pro by any means. My more advanced days of riding are behind me. I have a feeling this is going to be the best/most fun all around trail bike I've owned....and that's not new "giddy" bike owner talking. It just felt sorted from the second I swung my leg over it. I usually have to fiddle with a bike for a long while to get it where I want it. I will definitely spend time adjusting but I've not had a bike feel right like this one does out of the gate.


    If you want any specific pics..let me know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonez View Post
    I picked a 2019 up today. I will upload pics when I get home...

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    2019 FSR Comp 150m travel 27.5

    After a short trail ride the following are my impressions:

    Pros-
    Very impressive geometry handles climbs and descends with ease
    Very impressive suspension set up...Zero complaints
    Bike feels MUCH longer/slacker than the specs suggests

    Cons-
    Pedal strikes are going to be a thing to deal with
    Paint seems thin...Already picked up a few scratches from the bike ride and the trail ride. Will have to armor this bike up for the areas that receive attention.

    General -
    I usually ride large bikes (height 5'10). They looked at the bike measurements when I ordered and suggested I go with a medium. I argued but then agreed. I'm glad I listened. I fit on the medium with the seat almost all of the way down. I rode the large and it was a no go....It seems/feels larger than the last Stumpy.

    I am not a pro by any means. My more advanced days of riding are behind me. I have a feeling this is going to be the best/most fun all around trail bike I've owned....and that's not new "giddy" bike owner talking. It just felt sorted from the second I swung my leg over it. I usually have to fiddle with a bike for a long while to get it where I want it. I will definitely spend time adjusting but I've not had a bike feel right like this one does out of the gate.


    If you want any specific pics..let me know.

    I ordered the exact bike today. 27.5 comp. I'm glad to hear about the sizing. I'm 5-10 and ordered a green medium. I've owned 4 black bikes in a row and needed a change. I've ridden enduro's for the last 15 years, but it seems as though the new Stumpjumpers are where the enduros were 5 years ago. Looking forward to next week.
    How can anyone who's been riding as long as I have, be so slow???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock View Post
    I ordered the exact bike today. 27.5 comp. I'm glad to hear about the sizing. I'm 5-10 and ordered a green medium. I've owned 4 black bikes in a row and needed a change. I've ridden enduro's for the last 15 years, but it seems as though the new Stumpjumpers are where the enduros were 5 years ago. Looking forward to next week.
    Congrats on the order..I think you will love it!

    I almost ordered the green but went with the black. The dealer showed me a bike in the store that was acid mint green. I didn't like the mint green at all. The color he showed me was not the right mint green or Specialized changed the color, however. They had a 2019 acid mint green Stumpy in the store that was delivered the same time as my bike. It looks amazing....almost made me regret going with the black...I will be really surprised if you aren't happy with the color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonez View Post
    General -
    I usually ride large bikes (height 5'10). They looked at the bike measurements when I ordered and suggested I go with a medium. I argued but then agreed. I'm glad I listened. I fit on the medium with the seat almost all of the way down. I rode the large and it was a no go....It seems/feels larger than the last Stumpy.


    That is surprising considering the stack and the reach on the med is only 596 and 435. I haven't tried the bike yet but with those numbers I would imagine I would be all over the front of the bike when standing, and nearly hitting my knees on the bars when turning (I'm also 5'10).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonez View Post
    Congrats on the order..I think you will love it!

    I almost ordered the green but went with the black. The dealer showed me a bike in the store that was acid mint green. I didn't like the mint green at all. The color he showed me was not the right mint green or Specialized changed the color, however. They had a 2019 acid mint green Stumpy in the store that was delivered the same time as my bike. It looks amazing....almost made me regret going with the black...I will be really surprised if you aren't happy with the color.
    I wish the green was the same as last years, but I'm happy with the choice. Thanks for the piece of mind. Next Friday delivery.
    How can anyone who's been riding as long as I have, be so slow???

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    Do you possibly have shorter legs? Seems very weird, i have similar height, a bit over 5'10 but longer legs and shorter torso.

    For a shorter travel bike your going to sit over the front a bit more, fine on a long travel Enduro but not the best on a shorter travel bike as you want the reach to help balance those bigger sections. I was ordering the large but now will stop by a shop to double check, thanks for the heads up... still wanting the stiffer frame from the Large & XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    Do you possibly have shorter legs? Seems very weird, i have similar height, a bit over 5'10 but longer legs and shorter torso.

    For a shorter travel bike your going to sit over the front a bit more, fine on a long travel Enduro but not the best on a shorter travel bike as you want the reach to help balance those bigger sections. I was ordering the large but now will stop by a shop to double check, thanks for the heads up... still wanting the stiffer frame from the Large & XL.
    I donít consider my legs short..LOL. I have a 32-34 inseem. That would seem normal to me and where I think is average on the charts. Keep in mind my seat is bottomed out and has 3-4 inches to go to increase height.. You are going to have to have some long legs or be two or three inches taller to really need a large. The LBS guy said that he was definitely going to change his sizing recommendations based upon my fit. He is at least two inches taller and he rode my bike and said he would chose a medium.

    I donít know the bike just feels long and slack...at least to me. Some of you may try it and disagree.

    Edit - I went out and ride it again and thought about a taller persons perspective. Those with large torsos might dig a longer reach. Seat height is not going to be the driver, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    Anyone ridden a ST yet?
    I am curious about this too. Not sure if I would use more suspension than the ST offers. What kind of riding would warrant the additional travel? How does the LT climb compared to ST?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    Consider the 650b 150/150mm bike for this discussion,

    Would running a 42mm offset lyrik versus the spec'd 46mm be an area of concern? It would shorten the wheel base ever so slightly and and you would be riding a bit more over the front tire. I was also considering running the 42mm fork at 160mm instead of 150mm,


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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonez View Post
    I donít consider my legs short..LOL. I have a 32-34 inseem. That would seem normal to me and where I think is average on the charts. Keep in mind my seat is bottomed out and has 3-4 inches to go to increase height.. You are going to have to have some long legs or be two or three inches taller to really need a large. The LBS guy said that he was definitely going to change his sizing recommendations based upon my fit. He is at least two inches taller and he rode my bike and said he would chose a medium.

    I donít know the bike just feels long and slack...at least to me. Some of you may try it and disagree.

    Edit - I went out and ride it again and thought about a taller persons perspective. Those with large torsos might dig a longer reach. Seat height is not going to be the driver, however.
    On the large could you get the 160mm dropper low enough to ride? Either way im heading down to try one now,

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    I just asked my LBS to order me a 29 S-Works in Gloss Kiwi. I am not in love with the color based on photos but I just can't bring myself to replace my black '17 Enduro with another black bike. So I am going for bright this time!

    I am looking forward to being back on a lighter, more nimble rig. I love the Enduro but it just a bit overkill for my trails and riding. It is a monster when pointed down though!

    FWIW, I am 6'1" with a 34 inseam and ordered a large.
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    How much clearance is there in the rear on the 29er? Would it really fit a 29x3 as the website suggests?

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    Kinda surprised how everyone is sizing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpec29 View Post
    Kinda surprised how everyone is sizing down.

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    Me too.

    I'm 5'8", I ride a Large 2016 650b. 440 reach with a 40mm stem, 125mm dropper with a few mm showing.

    Amazing fit. I had a medium for a couple months before, and sold it because it felt small and twitchy.

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    I honestly think the pricing is nutz, $9500, that's $6300 for components that can easily be sourced for $4500. I have confirmed there is no difference in the S-Works frame now either, on the stumpy that is. I'm lucky cause I get heavy discounts but still,

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    I honestly think the pricing is nutz, $9500, that's $6300 for components that can easily be sourced for $4500. I have confirmed there is no difference in the S-Works frame now either, on the stumpy that is. I'm lucky cause I get heavy discounts but still,
    Yeah that's how they really make money. That's why so many companies only sell full builds at first. Intense did this recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    Glad I got my XXL 2018. Fits me perfectly.
    I just compared the 29 ST geometry numbers. The reach of the new XL is 480 compared to 477 of the old XXL. So it looks like us tall riders would be on an new XL. Not digging the short cranks though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    I honestly think the pricing is nutz, $9500, that's $6300 for components that can easily be sourced for $4500. I have confirmed there is no difference in the S-Works frame now either, on the stumpy that is. I'm lucky cause I get heavy discounts but still,
    I don't think that is accurate. By addition, MSRP for the parts is at least 5700.

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    Any deals or straight MSRP? I may be about a month behind you. Still would like to check out the SC Tallboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    Ordered my Expert ST 29 today. Late May delivery.
    MSRP or were you able to talk them down a bit? I may be about a month behind you but want to check out the SC Tallboy first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    I honestly think the pricing is nutz, $9500, that's $6300 for components that can easily be sourced for $4500. I have confirmed there is no difference in the S-Works frame now either, on the stumpy that is. I'm lucky cause I get heavy discounts but still,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmer09 View Post
    MSRP or were you able to talk them down a bit? I may be about a month behind you but want to check out the SC Tallboy first.
    I get a team deal through my shop but it sounds like MSRP for most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    I don't think that is accurate. By addition, MSRP for the parts is at least 5700.

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    What are you looking at full MSRP on the parts? Im listing basic discount that any shop will give you versus almost zero doing anything reasonable on the bike for at least 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    What are you looking at full MSRP on the parts? Im listing basic discount that any shop will give you versus almost zero doing anything reasonable on the bike for at least 6 months.
    Well, say a shop gives you 10 percent off the parts... sure. But that's not a great way to compare things. I was trying to keep it apples to apples.

    In my opinion, the markup and profit should be on the frame. The parts included on a complete bike, should be below MSRP. At least 25%.

    Why the heck should anyone buy a complete if there is no incentive? I never buy completes anymore. If you need to change 1 part, it makes more sense to build.

    Unless it's an Intense, or YT. They seem to hang parts at nearly cost

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    Any ideas as to why they didn't make a men's version of the ST Comp Alloy, it leaves a big hole in the lineup between the entry level SJ and the Comp Carbon. This has me adding it to the list of bikes that have my interest but it makes it hard to compare to some of the others that I've looked at in alloy but is comparative in carbon.

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    An ST is the same weight as an LT. I guess a 30lb+ 120mm bike isn't very desirable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macca208 View Post
    The 12m is good, I rode a new Tarmac the other day, it was very impressive. I would need to cut one up and do a burn test to really know what was going on inside, so if someone wants to donate a 12m frame I am happy to do it.....

    Essentially it comes down to modulus, the standard modulus carbon has a Youngs Modulus (measure of tension stiffness) of 265000 MPa whilst Ultra High mod is around 966000 MPa

    But the real gains are made in using very thin layers that are accurately placed to optimize strength and stiffness.

    Most cloth you buy to build in carbon is 150gsm as the lightest and a lot of it is 400gsm for large areas that need high strength.

    We use in some special applications all the way down to 15gsm and this is where you can get very nice gains. There are challenges with using such a thin material, but once you have that sorted its impressive where you can take things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNTall View Post
    I just compared the 29 ST geometry numbers. The reach of the new XL is 480 compared to 477 of the old XXL. So it looks like us tall riders would be on an new XL. Not digging the short cranks though.
    480 reach is on the 27.5 with 637 stack. The XL 29 has 470 reach and 656 stack.

    My 2018 XXL has 477 reach and 686 stack. My long legs appreciate the stack height. With the stock spacers and 27mm riser bar it puts my handlebars about even with my seat which is what I prefer.

    Will the 2019 XL I would need a longer stem and 30 mm more rise in handlebars, spacers, and/or stem.

    It was nice not to have to buy a bunch of new parts with a brand new bike. Not to mention that it makes the bike look funny with all the extra rise.

    Too bad for me that the mtb trend is smaller stack height.

    Like I said, I'm glad I got the 2018 XXL. I'll be keeping it for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    480 reach is on the 27.5 with 637 stack. The XL 29 has 470 reach and 656 stack.

    My 2018 XXL has 477 reach and 686 stack. My long legs appreciate the stack height. With the stock spacers and 27mm riser bar it puts my handlebars about even with my seat which is what I prefer.

    Will the 2019 XL I would need a longer stem and 30 mm more rise in handlebars, spacers, and/or stem.

    It was nice not to have to buy a bunch of new parts with a brand new bike. Not to mention that it makes the bike look funny with all the extra rise.

    Too bad for me that the mtb trend is smaller stack height.

    Like I said, I'm glad I got the 2018 XXL. I'll be keeping it for a long time.
    I'm looking at the web page for "Men's Stumpjumper ST Comp Carbon 29". Reach for XL is 480. They don't have the geometry numbers posted for the standard 29 yet, so I can't really compare it to my XXL that came with a 150mm fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNTall View Post
    I'm looking at the web page for "Men's Stumpjumper ST Comp Carbon 29". Reach for XL is 480. They don't have the geometry numbers posted for the standard 29 yet, so I can't really compare it to my XXL that came with a 150mm fork.
    I was going off of the geo charts in the mtbr article. I wasn't looking at the ST since it is more comparable to the Camber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Well, say a shop gives you 10 percent off the parts... sure. But that's not a great way to compare things. I was trying to keep it apples to apples.

    In my opinion, the markup and profit should be on the frame. The parts included on a complete bike, should be below MSRP. At least 25%.

    Why the heck should anyone buy a complete if there is no incentive? I never buy completes anymore. If you need to change 1 part, it makes more sense to build.

    Unless it's an Intense, or YT. They seem to hang parts at nearly cost

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    Totally agree, wheres the 25% off the parts...

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    It's in the downtube decal.

    Just got the Expert ST medium weight, 29.9lbs.

    Fuel EX 9.9 medium weight 26.8lbs.

    Not really much point dragging the ST weight around. As with the last Camber they had to overbuild it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    Totally agree, wheres the 25% off the parts...
    Better yet, what's up with part pricing industry wide. 300 and 400 dollar cassettes is insane.

    You can make your money go pretty far by getting used or sale items on the right parts. But for example, we just finished my wife's Sworks Demo. Probably cost 3k worth of parts, and I got some screaming deals on most of it. Granted, it's all too of the line, but once you add the frame cost, it's still a 7k bike.

    This is also why I, in the future, plan to part bikes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    It's in the downtube decal.

    Just got the Expert ST medium weight, 29.9lbs.

    Fuel EX 9.9 medium weight 26.8lbs.

    Not really much point dragging the ST weight around. As with the last Camber they had to overbuild it.
    Isn't that particular Fuel EX $3000 more?

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    The most important part of this post is that your wife rides an S-Works Demo.

    So boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    480 reach is on the 27.5 with 637 stack. The XL 29 has 470 reach and 656 stack.

    My 2018 XXL has 477 reach and 686 stack. My long legs appreciate the stack height. With the stock spacers and 27mm riser bar it puts my handlebars about even with my seat which is what I prefer.

    Will the 2019 XL I would need a longer stem and 30 mm more rise in handlebars, spacers, and/or stem.

    It was nice not to have to buy a bunch of new parts with a brand new bike. Not to mention that it makes the bike look funny with all the extra rise.

    Too bad for me that the mtb trend is smaller stack height.

    Like I said, I'm glad I got the 2018 XXL. I'll be keeping it for a long time.
    Same here! I mentioned before that stack DOES matter and people get all "Get spacers!" on me. For us normal people, >6'3", this shit matters. Most of these bikes come with cut steerers reducing the total number of spacers you can add. Anyhooz, I love my 2017 XL Camber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    The most important part of this post is that your wife rides an S-Works Demo.

    So boss.
    She is a bad bitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac1000 View Post
    Isn't that particular Fuel EX $3000 more?
    How much lighter would an S-Works be? Maybe a pound?

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    So--Specialized have followed a trend in making the frame a bit heavier. Several bike makers have done this. It seems that a 29-30 lb carbon bike is pretty common now.

    Santa Cruz Tallboy/Hightower for example. Transition. How much does a Ripley weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    How much lighter would an S-Works be? Maybe a pound?
    The MTBR Review posted some measured weights for reference: 2019 Specialized Stumpjumper launched - Mtbr.com

    S-Works ST 29 M: 27.1lbs, L: 27.9lbs
    S-Works 29 M: 27.7lbs, L: 28.4lbs
    Expert 29 M: 28.8lbs, L: 29.3lbs
    Comp Alloy 29 L: 31.9lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    It's in the downtube decal.

    Just got the Expert ST medium weight, 29.9lbs.

    Fuel EX 9.9 medium weight 26.8lbs.

    Not really much point dragging the ST weight around. As with the last Camber they had to overbuild it.
    the Fuel EX with its 67.7 HA.... It's a great trail bike so long as the trail is straight and flat

    I'll drag around the extra weight with a bike that can actually handle some gnar

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    The ST is 67.5 in the slack setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    The ST is 67.5 in the slack setting.
    Totally misread the ST as SJ. You're right, both belong in XC. Take it from a FEX 9.8 owner, the frustrations that come with the knock block might justify carrying that extra weight on the ST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navigatn View Post
    the Fuel EX with its 67.7 HA.... It's a great trail bike so long as the trail is straight and flat

    I'll drag around the extra weight with a bike that can actually handle some gnar
    Bro I have a fuel 9.9 with 140mm fork and 55mm stroke dpx2, bike crushes it in low setting. Ride all over pnw. My other bike is 170mm fully carbon Enduro. Hardly even ride the enduro after getting fuel, super fast bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by navigatn View Post
    Totally misread the ST as SJ. You're right, both belong in XC. Take it from a FEX 9.8 owner, the frustrations that come with the knock block might justify carrying that extra weight on the ST.
    If your crushing gnarly steep tails, why would the knock block be a factor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpec29 View Post
    If your crushing gnarly steep tails, why would the knock block be a factor?

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    in order to "crush gnarly steep trails", you gota climb up said gnarly steep trail, no? That's when you'll be bashing the knock block trying to maneuver around the chucky stuff.

    Anyways, lets not derail the topic and get back to talking about the Stumpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    I honestly think the pricing is nutz, $9500, that's $6300 for components that can easily be sourced for $4500. I have confirmed there is no difference in the S-Works frame now either, on the stumpy that is. I'm lucky cause I get heavy discounts but still,
    i agree with you on the pricing! Insane! I also feel like the gap between the $5500 Expert and the $9500 S-Works is huge. I feel like they need an XO level bike to fill the gap. In Specialized's defense, all the GX level bikes on the market seem a bit pricey. Can get a Trek and Santa Cruz HighTower for around $5k but without carbon wheels.

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    It's a nice frame. The Comp is a decent value--just ride the stuff for a year and then ditch the drivetrain. The Expert is not a great value in my mind. The S-Works price is nuts.

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    They will probably lower the S-WORKS in a few months. They lowered the Epic hardtail by a grand last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejj View Post
    So--Specialized have followed a trend in making the frame a bit heavier. Several bike makers have done this. It seems that a 29-30 lb carbon bike is pretty common now.

    Santa Cruz Tallboy/Hightower for example. Transition. How much does a Ripley weigh?
    Nothing wrong with a strong bike. My 16 Sworks has a completely top end build, 32 pounds ready to ride

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    Picked up a new comp carbon 29er today and gave it a quick ride, I had the shop add some parts from my last build I had, Carbon Traverse wheels, Guide Ultimate Brakes, XX1 (non eagle) shifter and cassette. So far I like the bike. Very balanced and FAST

    + Pedals better than previous stumpys
    + Holy Shart those tires have traction
    + Reviews were not kidding it's a quiet bike. I scared a few hikers until I realized I had to be more vocal than usual
    + Comp Carbon is a steal compared to the S-Works (same frame)
    - Could be a tad longer (medium) maybe 1cm and slacker
    - Heavyish tires? But oh my god the traction. I just wouldn't do an XC race with those tires.
    - Didn't love the Rhythm fork on first ride, but I usually add a token to fox forks. Might upgrade suspension to DPX2 and something better up front.

    All in all a very balanced and planted bike. Stable at speed but felt lively and poppy. Suspension felt quite active, but not nearly as "squatty" as my old 2014 Stumpjumper evo. Overall I think Specialized has a winner here, my only wish is they had made it a tad longer and slacker. I ride a medium, 5-9 and 30 inch inseam.

    Other bikes I've ridden recently:
    Specialized Fuse-niner (Fuse with 29er wheels and 130mm fork). Feels the perfect geo IMO. I race marathon XC and training with this or when my wife rides with me.
    Evil Following: Great bike I just sold, suspension works great. Just not quite enough travel for the roughest stuff around the PNW
    Specialized Stumpjumper Evo 29 2014: My bike before the Evil, always liked it, but always felt the suspension was either not reacting to fast hits or inefficient on climbs.
    Specialized Enduro 29 with coil rear: Used this for a few enduro races, definitely a monster truck but I prefer pedaling up before descending
    Rocky Mountain Instinct: Considered strongly one of these before the Stumpjumper came out. It pedaled nice in the parking lot. Stronger anti squat than the stumpjumper. Didn't get this on the trail, but I think the Stumpjumper has more traction all over. The instinct felt a tad longer though. Stumpjumper was cheaper for a full carbon frame
    Ibis Ripley LS: Test rode, I just never get along well with DW Link suspension. Dunno why.

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    Does anyone know which different frames variants are there? Carbon and Alloy obiously, but are the 27.5 and 29 different? Or the evo, is this the same frame with just a different linkage?

    Would be nice to be able to change the nature of the bike down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejj View Post
    It's a nice frame. The Comp is a decent value--just ride the stuff for a year and then ditch the drivetrain. The Expert is not a great value in my mind. The S-Works price is nuts.
    Going from SLX to GX Eagle, Fox Rhythm to Pike, alloy to carbon wheels, all for $1300 more sounds like a pretty good deal to me. I also see a chainguide on the expert but not on the comp.

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    No way to run a full chain guide with lower roller?

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    No way to run a full chain guide with lower roller?
    You can,you will just use 2 bolts instead of the usual 3.
    I used that setup on my Enduro ( same as 2019 stumpy ) its not ideal to use 2 bolts on a full guide but it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau View Post
    Just watched this vid walkthrough of the new models and poked around the Specialized site a bit. Gotta say, Im relieved that it isn't a more drastic change from the 2018 model that I just bought two weeks ago =)

    Probably a bigger deal for people who are far better riders than I, but I'll be damned if I'd ever detect a half degree head tube angle difference, a few mm reach, or likely mess with the flip chip bit.

    Does look nice, but for $1500 more than I bought my 27.5 expert for, well, yee haw =)

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    Couldnt agree with you more. I've been looking to upgrade from my 2015 SJ Expert and I checked out both the 2019 and 2018 SJs side by side the other day. I went with a 2018 Pro 29 model. The 2018 large fit me better out of the box then 2019. The '19 large was too big and the medium was too small. The '18 fit me perfect as is and was more comfortable for me. With the '18, I still got the full 11m carbon frame; (front and rear triangles) and carbon wheels. In addition it included from the factory, upgraded X01 over the Gx drive train, carbon cranks and DT Swiss hubs. Its basically an Sworks with X01 instead of XX1. I really liked the 2019 but i didnt see value in it at this time and the deal on the Pro model cost me less with tax then the MSRP on the 2019 Expert. While I love having the latest and greatest, this time around I felt as if the previous gen fit my needs perfectly. I should also mention the other bike i was considering was the 2018 Santa Cruz Hightower; also an awesome bike but still couldnt match the value of the 2018 SJ Pro. If money and value wasnt an object, I would have picked the Santa Cruz with cc frame, X01 groupset and carbon Reserve wheels over either of these SJs.

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    Finally got to see some new bikes in person yesterday. Apart from the reduced head angle and improved kinematics it seems like the bikes haven't changed a lot. The same compromises of sharing frames between travel lengths are unavoidably still there. The reach number still goes the wrong way as you move from ST to LT. The longer travel bike should have the more stable wheelbase/reach number regardless of head angle but hey, compromises. I was thinking about my old 25lb Camber Evo from a few years back with it's dedicated frame. Getting a ST that light would be pretty much impossible.

    Shame they can't make dedicated frames at both travel options but they've gotta cut costs with the direct brands making such good bikes.

    Evo should be far more interesting. Can't weight to try one. Hopefully the carbon one won't bee too long.

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    Interested to know if anyone else who has ridden an Ibis Mojo and the new Stumpjumper thought they felt similar ?Ņ
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    Completely different feel...

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    Did demo SJ 29er today, at Specialized trail days. Both standard and ST versions. Wanted to share some of my impressions, but take with grain of salt as you can see from images, the conditions were far from ideal. Actually i was the only one who showed up in this nasty weather. Fist I rode size L standard travel (they didnt have XL), size felt good. My main concern was fsr platform. Had Fuji Adventure with licensed fsr suspension some 10years back and liked it, then i bought Mojo HD and thought dw is so much better climbing wise. I was pretty impressed with fsr on this new SJ, i kept the shock on climb setting and it felt pretty supportive with little bob. What i didnt like was the fact the bike felt heavy on the climb. I am used to climb 650b wheels with 2.3rear and 2.4 front on my Mojo.
    The bike weight was over 31.2lbs, with carbon rims and 2.6 tires, my pedals and spare tire in swat storage. I guess i would have to get used to extra weight on front wheel when getting over technical terrain. Also had a lot of pedal strikes, and this was with 170mm cranks.

    Other bike was XL stumpy ST. XL is definetly the fit for me. i am 6'2". This bike was set up with 2.3 tires and climbed much better, however i felt it was getting overwhelmed while descending the rough stuff and i didnt even push hard, due to the slick and muddy conditions. This bike weight was 29,3 lbs with carbon rimjs 2.3 tires, my pedals and spare tire. Even though i felt it climbed noticeably better, it seems too heavy for such ashort travel bike.
    I am still trying to figure out if i want 29er or if i just stick with 650b. If i wanted mid travel 29er i would consider stumpy for sure but if i end up getting short travel one it would be different bike, most likely Ripley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sage1 View Post
    Interested to know if anyone else who has ridden an Ibis Mojo and the new Stumpjumper thought they felt similar ?Ņ
    I just rode the Carbon Expert 29er today and the Ibis Ripmo last week. The Stumpy feels more playful and lively compared to the Ripmo but they're close. Compared to other longer travel 29ers I'd say these two bikes along with the Santa Cruz Hightower LT are the most poppy and lively feeling bikes in the category. The ripmo maybe feels more planted and stable but honestly, they're both great!

    The new Stumpy feels most similar to the Santa Cruz Hightower LT when comparing to other bikes in this category. These two bike along with the Ibis Ripmo are in my opinion the most complete (do everything, pedal all day and smash any track) bikes out right now.

    As a point of reference, I'm currently riding a Rocky Mountain instinct 140mm/140mm but it feels like a slightly smaller bike than the others I've mentioned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason04 View Post
    I just rode the Carbon Expert 29er today and the Ibis Ripmo last week. The Stumpy feels more playful and lively compared to the Ripmo but they're close. Compared to other longer travel 29ers I'd say these two bikes along with the Santa Cruz Hightower LT are the most poppy and lively feeling bikes in the category. The ripmo maybe feels more planted and stable but honestly, they're both great!

    The new Stumpy feels most similar to the Santa Cruz Hightower LT when comparing to other bikes in this category. These two bike along with the Ibis Ripmo are in my opinion the most complete (do everything, pedal all day and smash any track) bikes out right now.

    As a point of reference, I'm currently riding a Rocky Mountain instinct 140mm/140mm but it feels like a slightly smaller bike than the others I've mentioned...
    Great feedback! I was considering the Hightower LT , Ripmo, and Enduro up until last week and then when I read the 2019 stumpy was released I changed my mind and sprung for the stumpjumper comp carbon 29 as it seemed to tick all the boxes and at a decent price point. I wasnt able to test ride any of the bikes and was forced to go by the online reviews so I'm glad to hear this feedback.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jason04 View Post
    I just rode the Carbon Expert 29er today and the Ibis Ripmo last week. The Stumpy feels more playful and lively compared to the Ripmo but they're close. Compared to other longer travel 29ers I'd say these two bikes along with the Santa Cruz Hightower LT are the most poppy and lively feeling bikes in the category. The ripmo maybe feels more planted and stable but honestly, they're both great!

    The new Stumpy feels most similar to the Santa Cruz Hightower LT when comparing to other bikes in this category. These two bike along with the Ibis Ripmo are in my opinion the most complete (do everything, pedal all day and smash any track) bikes out right now.

    As a point of reference, I'm currently riding a Rocky Mountain instinct 140mm/140mm but it feels like a slightly smaller bike than the others I've mentioned...
    Hey Jason, thanks for the mini review. I'm sure you'll put out a video in the new few days of the Stumpjumper. I was between the Stumpjumper and the Instinct. Looking to ride them in the next few weeks. How did the stumpy climb and pedal? Did you have any intentions of trying the ST model too?

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    I'm disappointed they do not offer a 27.5+ version. I'm looking for a trail bike with plus wheels and considering the new stumpjumper as an option, but having to buy and change wheels pushes this new STJ to the bottom of my list.

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    So how many of you demo'd the new SJ over this past weekend? I went to my local dealer and they had a pretty large inventory including the S-Works in green which was really sweet looking. I tested out an Expert model and I liked it but it would take some getting used to and probably a swap of the stem to really fit me well. The large bikes seemed to big and the mediums were a little on the small side for me personally. Overall, I think these bikes will sell well and will get some great reviews. I am curious to see how they will rank against the competition in the comparison tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntha View Post
    I'm disappointed they do not offer a 27.5+ version. I'm
    looking for a trail bike with plus wheels and considering the new stumpjumper as an option, but having to buy and change wheels pushes this new STJ to the bottom of my list.
    The 150/150 travel SJ can take a 27.5 x 3.0 tire

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    Quote Originally Posted by brankulo View Post
    Did demo SJ 29er today, at Specialized trail days. Both standard and ST versions. Wanted to share some of my impressions, but take with grain of salt as you can see from images, the conditions were far from ideal. Actually i was the only one who showed up in this nasty weather. Fist I rode size L standard travel (they didnt have XL), size felt good. My main concern was fsr platform. Had Fuji Adventure with licensed fsr suspension some 10years back and liked it, then i bought Mojo HD and thought dw is so much better climbing wise. I was pretty impressed with fsr on this new SJ, i kept the shock on climb setting and it felt pretty supportive with little bob. What i didnt like was the fact the bike felt heavy on the climb. I am used to climb 650b wheels with 2.3rear and 2.4 front on my Mojo.
    The bike weight was over 31.2lbs, with carbon rims and 2.6 tires, my pedals and spare tire in swat storage. I guess i would have to get used to extra weight on front wheel when getting over technical terrain. Also had a lot of pedal strikes, and this was with 170mm cranks.

    Other bike was XL stumpy ST. XL is definetly the fit for me. i am 6'2". This bike was set up with 2.3 tires and climbed much better, however i felt it was getting overwhelmed while descending the rough stuff and i didnt even push hard, due to the slick and muddy conditions. This bike weight was 29,3 lbs with carbon rimjs 2.3 tires, my pedals and spare tire. Even though i felt it climbed noticeably better, it seems too heavy for such ashort travel bike.
    I am still trying to figure out if i want 29er or if i just stick with 650b. If i wanted mid travel 29er i would consider stumpy for sure but if i end up getting short travel one it would be different bike, most likely Ripley.
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    Nice write up and great riding weather you had :-) When I demo'd the '19 SJ the other day I also noticed that the bike seemed a little heavier than I expected it to be. Not sure if its actually heavier on the scale but felt like it was to me compared to some of the other bikes I was checking out such as the Santa Cruz HT and the '18 SJ Pro (which I bought :-). I tested the LT version of the '19 SJ so maybe its just the wider tires that are adding a little heft. However, the weights you posted for the LT are definitely on the heavy side compared to my current bikes which both weigh in around 29lbs. Despite the weight, I will say it really had a sweet BMXish feel to it being so long and low across the top tube; this is a good thing to me. Definitely an awesome bike for jumping and going downhill. It would be interesting to see how it climbs on the longer steeper stuff. My impression of the climbing aspect was basically acceptable; not bad but not great.

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    Guys, I ride a '18 spec Stumpy 29 comp carbon with some upgrades, and through autumn and spring I've run the 2.6 tire combo on alu Traverse fattie wheels (spikes in the winter). The other day I swapped to my fav summer combo - 2.3 Grid Purg front, Ground control grid rear, and the difference is huge. Bike feels much lighter and snappier in all aspects. Yes, the 2.6 are great for going bonkers through gnar, but...with some skill, you'll have more fun with the 2.3s.

    I also think the Butcher is a bit square for general trail use. On off-camber rock face they seem to ride on edge and slip suddenly compared to the more rounded Purgatory. IMO of course.

    If you are not going primarily downhill or doing enduro races, save the 2.6s for later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navigatn View Post
    The 150/150 travel SJ can take a 27.5 x 3.0 tire
    Of course it can.
    However, there are other options out there where 27.5+ is standard and to me, it seems that it's not worth the hassle of swapping wheels just for the sake of owning a SJ.

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    You can just ask for plus tires when you order it. Really a non issue.
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    Jeez the weight is just not competitive, and the reach forces riders to size up to heavier frame sizes.

    I liked the idea of a 27lbs 120mm bike that could double as a 29lbs 140mm big mountain machine, and Specialized is doing some neat stuff with the flip chip and different stroke options utilizing the same frame, but it sounds like unless you get really spendy you're looking at 29lbs for the ST in Large/XL with smaller tires and 31-32 if you beef it up a bit for longer travel.

    It begs the question, how much does the ST frame weigh in Large/XL? My guess is probably north of 6lbs, which puts it within spitting distance of the alloy version which is likely mid-7s.

    At that point I'll just stick with the Guerrilla Gravity products, take the 1lb hit, and get something welded with American hands.

    If I wanted a carbon XC machine I'd still be looking at the Scott Spark, or even some of the Intense products (which are getting very competitively priced).
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    Scott Genius frame is 2250 grams! Good sizing and killer geo. Shock volume reduction on the bar rather than damping adjust. They're way ahead in carbon construction IMO regardless of what Specialized marketing says. These $8000 28lb 120mm Stumpjumpers are a joke really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    Scott Genius frame is 2250 grams! Good sizing and killer geo. Shock volume reduction on the bar rather than damping adjust. They're way ahead in carbon construction IMO regardless of what Specialized marketing says. These $8000 28lb 120mm Stumpjumpers are a joke really.
    Considering the 2019 carbon frames are all the same for both the S-Works and down the line, I am guessing they probably have an updated carbon frame in development for the 2020 S-Works. It's hard to justify the price of an S-Works, which is a $9500 MSRP when you're getting the identical frame for the Comp and Expert models. I understand the shocks (and components) are different throughout the line but I still question the value behind the huge price jump. In terms of weight, I feel like Specialized is going in the wrong direction but perhaps ride quality is improving so that offsets the weight variable. My '15 SJ Expert is 3/4lb lighter than my '18 Pro both completely stock except for S-Works carbon bars using the same pedals, carbon wheels and comparable components, and I am 99% sure the '18 Pro and S-Works is lighter than the new '19 Expert and S-Works in overall ready to ride weight. There all still very nice bikes but it would be nice to see some of the weight trimmed as it would make an already snappy bike snappier :-)

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    Picked up a 27.5 alloy yesterday. Really fun bike.

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    I agree with all the comments on price and the lack of justification for the sworks branding. I hope your listening big S, we aren't happy... Spoke to at least five people on the trails demo'ing and they all said the same thing, no way were they buying anything above the comp expert.


    However, in terms of the weight... You have options, if you don't want 1000g 2.6 tires, or such a long dropper then ditch it. We also know swat does add some weight so pick ur poison, carry in your pack, or attach spares to your frame, and buy an alternative frame that is lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3the01 View Post
    I agree with all the comments on price and the lack of justification for the sworks branding. I hope your listening big S, we aren't happy... Spoke to at least five people on the trails demo'ing and they all said the same thing, no way were they buying anything above the comp expert.


    However, in terms of the weight... You have options, if you don't want 1000g 2.6 tires, or such a long dropper then ditch it. We also know swat does add some weight so pick ur poison, carry in your pack, or attach spares to your frame, and buy an alternative frame that is lighter.
    I would give up 1lb for SWAT any day. Such a nice feature.
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    looks like Butcher 2.6 is 975g vs 890g for 2.3 versions. so you will not save much by swapping the tires. not even half the pound. i just didnt expect the bike to be so heavy. my 7 years old HD is about the same weight with heavy marz shock, 650b flow rims and fox 36 fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    I would give up 1lb for SWAT any day.
    Here's a perspective: At a certain point, it can cost as much as $1,000 to shave 1 lb off components. So is SWAT worth $1000 to you?

    Say NO to SWAT in for STJ 2019 (oops we're already 2019 model)

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    Any chance we're going to see a frame-only option for alloy? I'd prefer to spend the extra $1,200 on better quality components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msedly View Post
    Any chance we're going to see a frame-only option for alloy? I'd prefer to spend the extra $1,200 on better quality components.
    That would be great. I would love to buy the sworks frame and build it up, but the alloy would be alot more reasonable.

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    I'd like to stick with 11 speed (preferably X0 with the e13 cassette). Most folks are putting eagle on everything that isn't Shimano so I'm likely going to have to build my own bike. I'm also looking at the Guerrilla Gravity Smash due to the amount of customization that is possible. I really like the new Stumpy, but none of the builds really hits the nail on the head for me.

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    I picked up a medium Expert 27.5 ST to replace a 2018 Camber Expert 27.5. I replaced most of the parts with the intention of dropping the weight. I was surprised of the 31 lbs at the end (weighed with multi-tool, tube, C02). My camber is 27 lbs with pretty much the same build.

    I set the suspension to my weight using the gradients on the shock and fork. Easy task. I set the bike geometry to the "Hi" setting because I wanted the steeper angles. The bike comes with a 40mm length stem so I put a 50mm because I felt kind of crammed (I'm 5'8" with 30" inseam). After the bike was set up I took it out for a short 10 mile loop that has 2100' of climbing and good descending.

    I am no racer boy but I do like to challenge myself. I'm not the fastest on the climbs but not the slowest. I consider myself a decent descender but have become more cautious since having kids.

    Here's my impression after the ride: It is definitely a stiff frame. The Pike and Deluxe rear shock are spot on. The bike feels like it has more than 130mm of travel.

    Climbing is a different story. I felt the weight and the slacker angles compared to my Camber. My Camber is definitely a faster bike on the up hills but this bike blows it away on the downs. Cornering is fast and predictable. I took this bike beyond my comfort zone and it handled anything I could throw at it.

    My other bikes are the Camber I've mentioned and a 2018 Epic FS Expert. Bikes I've had in the past are an Enduro and Stumpjumper. All 27.5 with exception of the Epic.

    The verdict is still out on whether I like this bike or not. I need more miles before I feel comfortable making this decision. This is just a first impression review.

    Here's my build:

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOE2465 View Post
    I picked up a medium Expert 27.5 ST to replace a 2018 Camber Expert 27.5. I replaced most of the parts with the intention of dropping the weight. I was surprised of the 31 lbs at the end (weighed with multi-tool, tube, C02). My camber is 27 lbs with pretty much the same build.

    I set the suspension to my weight using the gradients on the shock and fork. Easy task. I set the bike geometry to the "Hi" setting because I wanted the steeper angles. The bike comes with a 40mm length stem so I put a 50mm because I felt kind of crammed (I'm 5'8" with 30" inseam). After the bike was set up I took it out for a short 10 mile loop that has 2100' of climbing and good descending.

    I am no racer boy but I do like to challenge myself. I'm not the fastest on the climbs but not the slowest. I consider myself a decent descender but have become more cautious since having kids.

    Here's my impression after the ride: It is definitely a stiff frame. The Pike and Deluxe rear shock are spot on. The bike feels like it has more than 130mm of travel.

    Climbing is a different story. I felt the weight and the slacker angles compared to my Camber. My Camber is definitely a faster bike on the up hills but this bike blows it away on the downs. Cornering is fast and predictable. I took this bike beyond my comfort zone and it handled anything I could throw at it.

    My other bikes are the Camber I've mentioned and a 2018 Epic FS Expert. Bikes I've had in the past are an Enduro and Stumpjumper. All 27.5 with exception of the Epic.

    The verdict is still out on whether I like this bike or not. I need more miles before I feel comfortable making this decision. This is just a first impression review.

    Here's my build:

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    2.6 front tire and 2.3 rear tire
    Wolf Tooth 32 tooth elliptical ring
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    XT pedals
    Stock drop post
    Stock cranks
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    Wow weights the same as my XL Enduro, my Trek Fuel with similar build is under 28lbs

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    It's a great looking bike but the weight is just crazy isn't it?

    They say they removed 500g off the rear end but they must have added 1000g to the front! As I've been banging on about, the ST really doesn't make sense. You're dragging around the weight of a frame that is designed to take significantly more forces.

    I love the SWAT too but I can't find much else to get excited about in the standard bike. The numbers are so reserved and it's as heavy as an Enduro. I can't wait to ride the Evo but that thing will probably weigh more than most DH bikes! Did you see the Unno Ever the guys were racing at the World Cup at the weekend? I know it's another level in construction from a Specialized but 33lbs! Take the Cushcore out and put Grid Butchers on it and it'd probably weigh the same as a 19 Stumpy LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOE2465 View Post
    I picked up a medium Expert 27.5 ST to replace a 2018 Camber Expert 27.5. I replaced most of the parts with the intention of dropping the weight. I was surprised of the 31 lbs at the end (weighed with multi-tool, tube, C02). My camber is 27 lbs with pretty much the same build.

    I set the suspension to my weight using the gradients on the shock and fork. Easy task. I set the bike geometry to the "Hi" setting because I wanted the steeper angles. The bike comes with a 40mm length stem so I put a 50mm because I felt kind of crammed (I'm 5'8" with 30" inseam). After the bike was set up I took it out for a short 10 mile loop that has 2100' of climbing and good descending.

    I am no racer boy but I do like to challenge myself. I'm not the fastest on the climbs but not the slowest. I consider myself a decent descender but have become more cautious since having kids.

    Here's my impression after the ride: It is definitely a stiff frame. The Pike and Deluxe rear shock are spot on. The bike feels like it has more than 130mm of travel.

    Climbing is a different story. I felt the weight and the slacker angles compared to my Camber. My Camber is definitely a faster bike on the up hills but this bike blows it away on the downs. Cornering is fast and predictable. I took this bike beyond my comfort zone and it handled anything I could throw at it.

    My other bikes are the Camber I've mentioned and a 2018 Epic FS Expert. Bikes I've had in the past are an Enduro and Stumpjumper. All 27.5 with exception of the Epic.

    The verdict is still out on whether I like this bike or not. I need more miles before I feel comfortable making this decision. This is just a first impression review.

    Here's my build:

    Pike fork
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    Enve 50mm stem
    XO1 Eagle cassette, derailleur and shifter
    Roval Traverse SL wheels
    2.6 front tire and 2.3 rear tire
    Wolf Tooth 32 tooth elliptical ring
    Wolf Tooth drop post lever
    Ti Power saddle
    XT pedals
    Stock drop post
    Stock cranks
    Stock brakes
    Despite the weight woes you mentioned it's really a cool looking bike. I like the black with yellow. Enjoy it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thustlewhumber View Post
    You can just ask for plus tires when you order it. Really a non issue.
    At this point I don't want 29+.
    As I already said, there are alternatives.

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    I can see how some of you could be bothered by the weight of the '19 but to say that it is the same as the Enduro is a little off. I am coming from an Enduro so Stumpy is looking like a welcome weight reduction for me. This new Stumpy is definitely heavier and slacker than the original model but it seems to be the general direction for the brand.

    For reference the weights I measured are all "dry weights" for size large bikes, out of the box, no pedals, set up tubeless, empty SWAT storage. I had a '14 E29 S-Works that weighed 27.7 with 2.3 tires. My '17 E29 S-Works was 29.4 with 2.3 tires. I have since switched to 2.6 but did not weigh it. 2.6 tires should add about .5 lbs (maybe more). So the Enduro is basically 30 lbs dry. The new Stumpy 29 LT S-Works has been reported to be 28.4 lbs so that will be a 1.5 lb reduction and hopefully more nimble handling. I have not ridden one yet, but by the numbers alone, I am excited...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOE2465 View Post
    I picked up a medium Expert 27.5 ST to replace a 2018 Camber Expert 27.5. I replaced most of the parts with the intention of dropping the weight. I was surprised of the 31 lbs at the end (weighed with multi-tool, tube, C02). My camber is 27 lbs with pretty much the same build.
    This is interesting to me as I went in to look at the Comp ST in a 29 and was shown a 18 Camber Expert in 29. It appears the Camber was better spec'd and it would have been significantly cheaper to buy. This whole FS process is turning into a whirlwind for me.

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    makes no sense does it? All aluminum Trail Pistol 120/130 is 27.9lbs. Stumpy carbon frame must weight a lot itself. Anyone knows how much it weights? i cant seem to find this on their website.

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    Does anybody know the leverage ratio on this new stumpy 27.5 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnD View Post
    Does anybody know the leverage ratio on this new stumpy 27.5 ?
    Suppose to be progressive...

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    Seems like every thread on weight about 29er trail bikes is complaining about weight. Is a bit heavier bike just the norm now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnD View Post
    Does anybody know the leverage ratio on this new stumpy 27.5 ?
    Depends on the wheel size

    Divide the travel by the shock stroke for the overall....

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    Stronger parts equal less warranty replacements and that saves money. Also using more of a lesser grade of carbon makes it stronger cheaper and less warranty claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    Seems like every thread on weight about 29er trail bikes is complaining about weight. Is a bit heavier bike just the norm now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    Seems like every thread on weight about 29er trail bikes is complaining about weight. Is a bit heavier bike just the norm now?
    Just think it sorts the wheat from the chaff. There are bikes that are quite a bit lighter with the same travel out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Stronger parts equal less warranty replacements and that saves money. Also using more of a lesser grade of carbon makes it stronger cheaper and less warranty claims.
    Makes sense. The last place I'm looking to save 1-2 pounds is in the frame. But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    Just think it sorts the wheat from the chaff. There are bikes that are quite a bit lighter with the same travel out there.
    Examples? Just curious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    Examples? Just curious...
    Trek Fuel, Scott Genius, Ibis Ribmo, Santa Cruz Hightower, Yeti 5.5, Intense, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpec29 View Post
    Trek Fuel, Scott Genius, Ibis Ribmo, Santa Cruz Hightower, Yeti 5.5, Intense, etc
    But what tires are getting speced?

    Probably not 2.6 grids....

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    Jared Graves just posted a bike check on his Instagram and said his Stumpy is 36lbs.

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    Seems the Stumpjumper has been built more into a trail bike, but then I always thought it was just a little Enduro.
    My 14 E26 is 30lb. With a 170mm fork, coil shock and the only carbon bit are the bars. Something to be said for small wheels!

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    I wish it was easier to get a hold of bare frame weights. Specialized in particular goes out of their way not to publish or release frame weights. Bike weights are a joke because there is so much variance. The frame is the core - everything after that is discretionary and you can make your own choices and compromises.

    Here is my tiny database:

    2014 Enduro Expert carbon L, w/axle, taco blade, and seatpost cable sheath, no cups and FOX CTD 6.73
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    Frame 2015 S-Works Epic WC 4.81
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    Tantrum (29") aluminum large with Topaz shock 8.8

    I also agree there has been a trend by the mfg's towards heavier duty frames. As long as the consumers aren't punishing them it makes sense, and I guess that is what we want. Everybody is a "shredder" now a days and nobody likes broken bikes, but I do miss the days when the SJ was more of a XC/trail bike not an Enduro wannabee. I'm still riding my '14 E29 cuz I've found I'm not a fan of so much longer/lower/slacker or adding 1 lb to the bike just so I can store crap in the downtube where I don't really want it anyway (I prefer to keep weight off the bike, feels more nimble to me and easier to carry in the back country). I can afford to ride what I want, but it takes me some serious riding to figure it out, I need full day demo's. I love every bike in the parking lot !

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    You got that right! Nearly all of them look great and this new frame design is really sexy. Being a Specialized Stumpjumper itís not junk itís just that they have to build them so that Trail Peek can ride it for year after year and so can your dentist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Preston67 View Post
    I wish it was easier to get a hold of bare frame weights. Specialized in particular goes out of their way not to publish or release frame weights. Bike weights are a joke because there is so much variance. The frame is the core - everything after that is discretionary and you can make your own choices and compromises.

    Here is my tiny database:

    2014 Enduro Expert carbon L, w/axle, taco blade, and seatpost cable sheath, no cups and FOX CTD 6.73
    2017 Enduro Carbon S-works with axle and seatpost insert shim 6.97
    2017 Enduro carbon 650b medium 6.88
    Evil Wreckoning large with a Monarch Plus 7.90
    Evil Following small 7.50
    Frame 2015 S-Works Epic WC 4.81
    Yeti SB5.5C Medium with shock and thru axle 6.42
    Tantrum (29") aluminum large with Topaz shock 8.8

    I also agree there has been a trend by the mfg's towards heavier duty frames. As long as the consumers aren't punishing them it makes sense, and I guess that is what we want. Everybody is a "shredder" now a days and nobody likes broken bikes, but I do miss the days when the SJ was more of a XC/trail bike not an Enduro wannabee. I'm still riding my '14 E29 cuz I've found I'm not a fan of so much longer/lower/slacker or adding 1 lb to the bike just so I can store crap in the downtube where I don't really want it anyway (I prefer to keep weight off the bike, feels more nimble to me and easier to carry in the back country). I can afford to ride what I want, but it takes me some serious riding to figure it out, I need full day demo's. I love every bike in the parking lot !

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    But what tires are getting speced?

    Probably not 2.6 grids....

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    Well my XL Enduro with 2.8 grids weights 31.7lbs, my XL Fuel 29 with 2.6's weights 28lbs. I don't mind the weight of the regular stumpy the st version just seems silly.

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    Every single modern 29er Iíve owned ó with pedals and tires that will survive actual riding in Phoenix ó has weighed in the 28- to 32-pound range. Some have pedaled better than others, though weight and pedal efficiency arenít necessarily related.

    The Stumpy weight is what it is. If itís too heavy, move along to something else.
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    Isn't the new all carbon frame ~ 100 grams lighter than the previous model?

    Find out last year's model frame weight and subtract 100 grams.

    Also, pure static weight vs. rotational weight needs to be clarified.

    If you want a bike that accelerates quickly, get lighter wheels.

    For descending, weight is usually a good thing IMHO.

    For reference my 2016 S-Works 650B Stumpy (small) weighs 25-26 pounds and I usually get pinged around on rough descents.

    Where as my 30 pound Kona Honzo ST handles the rough stuff just fine.

    The Specialized designers were after a do-it-all design goal for the new Stumpy. Front what I've heard, this thing climbs and descends as well as anything available at the moment.

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    Specialized is saying 500g over last years Fact 9 Comp Carbon and 250g over last years S-Works.

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    Quoted from Pinkbike:

    "The new frame design us said to have a 19% stiffness increase compared to the old carbon Stumpjumper, and every size has been tuned with a Rider First size-specific approach, resulting in different tube shapes and carbon layup to optimize stiffness and weight. That has led to improved stiffness-to-weight on the larger sizes and up to 140g savings on the smaller sizes."

    Quoted from MTBR:

    "The end result, comparing medium 2017 Comp Carbon frame vs. 2018 Comp Carbon: 2018 is 550g lighter. The newer Comp frame now includes a carbon rear triangle, so an apples-to-apples comparison would be S-Works all carbon, which resulted in a weight reduction of about 250g versus the 2017 model."

    Quoted from MBR:

    "Further refinement to the frame design and construction allowed the engineers to save 100g from the back end Ė despite adding a seatstay bridge to increase rear end stiffness by 8 per cent Ė and approximately 140g from the front triangle depending on the frame."

    Maybe 240-250 grams lighter comparing carbon to carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffkill View Post
    Picked up a 27.5 alloy yesterday. Really fun bike.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    Seems like every thread on weight about 29er trail bikes is complaining about weight. Is a bit heavier bike just the norm now?
    Def not the norm. I've got a 2018 Rocky Mountain Instinct 29er 140mm at 26 lbs 4 oz that absolutely rips up and down! Over 3 lbs lighter weight than the 2019 SJ and they're very similar bikes. Doesn't break the bank either... it's the Carbon 70 model with some upgrades!

    I liked the new SJ Carbon Expert model but 30 lbs is heavy. Oh, and I couldn't live with that dropper post...

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    Does anyone have some hands-on experience with sizing differences between MY18 and MY19? I am interested mostly in XL because MY18 is to short and as there is no longer XXL available, I am wondering if new SJ XL will fit better taller riders. I know the numbers from geo table, just they don't always tell how the bike feels in real life. I was set on Fuel EX but SJ is just beautiful and I like components selection more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.BL View Post
    Ist that a size large? What does it weight?
    Size is large, but havenít weighed it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafu View Post
    Does anyone have some hands-on experience with sizing differences between MY18 and MY19? I am interested mostly in XL because MY18 is to short and as there is no longer XXL available, I am wondering if new SJ XL will fit better taller riders. I know the numbers from geo table, just they don't always tell how the bike feels in real life. I was set on Fuel EX but SJ is just beautiful and I like components selection more.
    How tall are u

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    How tall are u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafu View Post
    I am 6'5" or 195cm.

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    I'd go xxl aluminum fuel. The specialized seat post height and wheelbase will be ok, but reach will be really short for someone your height. I'm 6'2 and wish there was much more reach

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    Agree----the Stumpy is not for you-----Fuel or Hightower in XXL

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    I know the geometry is different between the 27.5 and 29er, but since the 27.5 can fit 27.5x3.0 tires, can you also fit a set of 29x2.4 wheels?

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    This might sound familiar for some of you but I noticed that people in my local Facebook bike group are selling their recently purchased 2018 Stumpys. To date, I've found at least 3-4 2018 models (barely ridden) up for sale in the group!

    They never said why they are selling it but it coincides perfectly with the 2019 launch. As usual, all the smart ass comments follow their for sale ads which makes the moment more fun.
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    About to throw my 2016 up for sale too... I have hit the limits of what it can do, and the price point on the Evo is just too good.
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    Is anyone buying an Sworks frame only? (pics welcome)

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    Quote Originally Posted by msedly View Post
    Any chance we're going to see a frame-only option for alloy? I'd prefer to spend the extra $1,200 on better quality components.
    Not gonna happen, except maybe for the Evo. Can't remember the last time Specialized offered a frame-only option on the alloy Stumpy.

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    Took a Carbon Comp std suspension out for a demo today, 4 miles of climb and 4 decent. I had concerns about weight and climb... unfounded. Bike climbs way easier and smoother than my 2008 SJ Exp. Huge upgrade. Faster uphill and very efficient and definitely quiet. Downhill def faster, will need a few rides to get in sync with the bike. Had the shocks set to Specialized new online sag calc and I prob go lower on the pressure, still pretty firm on what were very moderate hits. Now which model to go with? People here say the CC is the best value, Exp has a few nice features.. gearing, carbon rims. Not sure about the blue, (baby blue?) would like to know if it has some gray to it or is it more Toyota FJ Heritage Blue... Pictures are tough with the lighting.

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    I wish more bike companies would realize that just because someone wants to spend $4K+ on a bike that they must want carbon. For a $1,200 difference in frame cost I can get a nicer set of wheels (lighter AND stronger) as well as some drivetrain upgrades like better brakes, higher end shifter/derailleur, etc. Things that matter more to me than having a carbon frame. Specialized also said that the new alloy frame is stiffer than the carbon counterpart which makes it even more sensible to go with the alloy frame. If nothing else, just give us a higher end build with the alloy frame. They could easily have an expert alloy build and have the suspension from the S-Works model for ~$5k. I'd buy that in a heartbeat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battery View Post
    This might sound familiar for some of you but I noticed that people in my local Facebook bike group are selling their recently purchased 2018 Stumpys. To date, I've found at least 3-4 2018 models (barely ridden) up for sale in the group!

    They never said why they are selling it but it coincides perfectly with the 2019 launch. As usual, all the smart ass comments follow their for sale ads which makes the moment more fun.
    Not the ideal time to buy a used 2018 but this is a great time to buy a brand new one. You can still get brand new 2018s from dealers for 15-20% off complete with warranty. Specialized has a manufacturer sale going on for the 2018s. 15% off and if you push the dealer a little you can probably get the price down a little more or some addons thrown in. I know firsthand from my own experience. All those used ones have no warranty since the warranty is not transferable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sage1 View Post
    Took a Carbon Comp std suspension out for a demo today, 4 miles of climb and 4 decent. I had concerns about weight and climb... unfounded. Bike climbs way easier and smoother than my 2008 SJ Exp. Huge upgrade. Faster uphill and very efficient and definitely quiet. Downhill def faster, will need a few rides to get in sync with the bike. Had the shocks set to Specialized new online sag calc and I prob go lower on the pressure, still pretty firm on what were very moderate hits. Now which model to go with? People here say the CC is the best value, Exp has a few nice features.. gearing, carbon rims. Not sure about the blue, (baby blue?) would like to know if it has some gray to it or is it more Toyota FJ Heritage Blue... Pictures are tough with the lighting.
    The Expert blue is more of a grayish blue hue than baby blue and its definitely not a bright blue. Think of it more like a battleship blue type color. It's not bad at all and decent with the red lettering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msedly View Post
    I wish more bike companies would realize that just because someone wants to spend $4K+ on a bike that they must want carbon. For a $1,200 difference in frame cost I can get a nicer set of wheels (lighter AND stronger) as well as some drivetrain upgrades like better brakes, higher end shifter/derailleur, etc. Things that matter more to me than having a carbon frame. Specialized also said that the new alloy frame is stiffer than the carbon counterpart which makes it even more sensible to go with the alloy frame. If nothing else, just give us a higher end build with the alloy frame. They could easily have an expert alloy build and have the suspension from the S-Works model for ~$5k. I'd buy that in a heartbeat!
    Specialized did that until about 2016. I use to always buy the pimped out aluminum models for 4-5k

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    Expert medium 29 back ordered. Delivery end of May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sage1 View Post
    ...Now which model to go with? People here say the CC is the best value, Exp has a few nice features.. gearing, carbon rims...
    Having bought a Carbon Comp back in 2015 when the - now previous - model was released, I'd vote for the Expert if budget is not too tight. The basic wheels on the Comp models have always been a weak point regarding stiffness, durability and, first of all, weight.

    I'd also prefer the Spec' branded seatpost over the X-Fusion given the flawless reliability I experienced with my two Command Posts. No service needed whatsoever.

    That said, the Comp is a _very_ fine bike to start with, especially if you like to pimp bikes on your own. I surely did ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason04 View Post
    Def not the norm. I've got a 2018 Rocky Mountain Instinct 29er 140mm at 26 lbs 4 oz that absolutely rips up and down! Over 3 lbs lighter weight than the 2019 SJ and they're very similar bikes. Doesn't break the bank either... it's the Carbon 70 model with some upgrades!

    I liked the new SJ Carbon Expert model but 30 lbs is heavy. Oh, and I couldn't live with that dropper post...
    Sorry, but one carbon frame isn't going to weigh 3 or 4 lbs more. As other people have said before, it's the parts. Rockys are nice and spec'd pretty good but hardly cutting edge.

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    In most of the press event photos, the stumpjumpers are size medium. I'm wondering, is medium the size for an everage sized (say 5'11) male person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.BL View Post
    In most of the press event photos, the stumpjumpers are size medium. I'm wondering, is medium the size for an everage sized (say 5'11) male person?
    For 5í11Ē I would say large would be a better fit on most bike brands. But 5í9Ē to 5í11Ē I feel like could find themselves in-between sizes frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.BL View Post
    In most of the press event photos, the stumpjumpers are size medium. I'm wondering, is medium the size for an everage sized (say 5'11) male person?
    I'm 5'11" and a large fits perfectly
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthShoreDude View Post
    Sorry, but one carbon frame isn't going to weigh 3 or 4 lbs more. As other people have said before, it's the parts. Rockys are nice and spec'd pretty good but hardly cutting edge.
    ^^^ This is on point.
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    I'd still love to see the frame weights. You gotta think that full length internal routing must add some weight.

    Graves EWS bike is 35lbs which is what a lot of the bikes weighed (and some where lighter) at the recent DH World Cup.

    I still say they're boat anchors

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