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    Why singlespeed? (Also see the SS FAQ - Stickied at top of thread list)

    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
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    try it and report back to us

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    Why not?

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    Why a bike? Why not just get a motorcycle?

    Seriously, this has been discussed to death. The search function is your friend...
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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    Just try it. I never change my 34/16, so I'm ok. Don't fret too much on it.

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    It's fun.

    The only way you will understand is to try it. If it's for you, then great, if not, at least you gave it a shot.

    Also, read the singlespeed FAQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    because i can.

    if you can't justify it maybe it's not for you?

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    As Chuck D said...

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. .

    and FF repeated just to get the point across..

    Don't believe the hype..



    Check out your gear ratios, your average 21/24/27 speed probably only has 8-12 gear ratios. the rest are repetitious..

    It's not a weight thing, its just a choice. I (and others) choose to believe that the SS is an appropriate bike for whatever trail we want to ride, whenever we want to ride it.

    Also, be careful slinging that 'superior' word around here, there are quite a few SSers that are capable of crushing people on geared bikes, in whatever terms you want to decide the contest, speed, hucking, beer drinking..

    But the beauty is, you can just do what you want, SS or geared. It doesn't have to be about competition, going fast, going slow. So long as you are riding, all is good

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    because its simple...

    just you and the pedals.

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    Convert

    Convert or forever more SS riders will point and laugh behind your back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsman
    and FF repeated just to get the point across..

    Don't believe the hype..



    Check out your gear ratios, your average 21/24/27 speed probably only has 8-12 gear ratios. the rest are repetitious..

    It's not a weight thing, its just a choice. I (and others) choose to believe that the SS is an appropriate bike for whatever trail we want to ride, whenever we want to ride it.

    Also, be careful slinging that 'superior' word around here, there are quite a few SSers that are capable of crushing people on geared bikes, in whatever terms you want to decide the contest, speed, hucking, beer drinking..

    But the beauty is, you can just do what you want, SS or geared. It doesn't have to be about competition, going fast, going slow. So long as you are riding, all is good
    Wow, I am amazed that out of all the replies one person managed to actually give a decent one. Thanks. I ask because I am curious about the SS phenomenon. It seems very popular but everytime I start going up and hill and have to downshift to get to a useable gear I can't figure out how a singlespeed would be beneficial in that instance. But I am curious about it all.

    Granted, I know that there are people on a singlespeed that could crush many of those on geared bikes but that's not really where I was going. Heck there are probably people that could crush me on a tricycle. So what. I ride for the fun of it all. Of course, crushing here and there is fun too...

    Thanks for the comment. Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....

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    Quote Originally Posted by neville
    Convert or forever more SS riders will point and laugh behind your back.
    So if they are pointing and laughing "behind" my back then they are "behind" me then right?

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    Why are you considering converting to SS?
    Read the FAQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Thanks for the comment. Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....
    the heckling is good natured. I'm sure that you'd get the same (or more) heckling from this crowd if you went on rides with its members.

    If you want to understand the heckling, just do a search and look at the number of times this (or closely related) question has been asked in this forum. And also notice that SS has a FAQ (upper right) unlike most of the other forums.

    that's it..its all good until bulC comes back (I'm not even sure if he posted in SS), and then feelings get hurt but useful info is disseminated and I laugh a lot

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    This reason is my current favorite:

    By Objectionable Material

    "As a white male in America, I have a genetic disposition to serious self loathing. I deserve nothing but pain and suffering. My rigid single speed dolls it out in large quantities. What's better is that the pain and suffering is completely self inflicted."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsman
    ...that's it..its all good until bulC comes back (I'm not even sure if he posted in SS), and then feelings get hurt but useful info is disseminated and I laugh a lot

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    He has posted here. He will probably show up again with a different user name. He has done that before.
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    it's faster

    I ve been riding exclusively on a SS for about a year now. I started racing one last year. The truth is I am faster and more efficient on a SS.

    This may not be the case for everyone but it works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambone
    because its simple...

    just you and the pedals.
    and the shoes
    and the shorts
    and the brakes
    and the camelbak
    and the other riders laughing at me as they pass going up hill...

    I am sure it's probably fun. Just don't know if it is worth it to me or not. Although having a 20lb bike would be cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Wow, I am amazed that out of all the replies one person managed to actually give a decent one.....
    so who was it that gave the decent reply?

    you have to understand that people just get sick of this question in the singlespeed forum, it comes up about once a week, and the same points are hashed out.

    SS is not for everybody. But on the right bike in the right terrain its a hell of alot of fun. If you do alot of climbing it can be brutal lungbusting misery, on nice rolly curvy terrain it is a blast.

    It's hard to explain really, but you just have to work with the bike more...rather then changing the bike to work with you by shifting gears. The lighterweight and less component noise is a benefit, but for me I just love having to strategize my pedal stroke rather then when I shift gears.

    I also ride a geared squishy bike too...it just depends on the trail, the day, and my mood.

    give it a try. I jumped in feet first and bought a Kona Unit before even trying SS. Risky but it turned out great as I spend probly half my time on it. If you aren't ready to throw down $, either demo or borrow one, or build up an old beater.

    I have some SS disk wheels in the classifieds now by the way.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    He has posted here. He will probably show up again with a different user name. He has done that before.
    Has bulC been banned? I hope not. I'm sure I'm in a very small minority, but I like his posts. Sometimes gruff, but generally speaking the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    This reason is my current favorite:

    By Objectionable Material

    "As a white male in America, I have a genetic disposition to serious self loathing. I deserve nothing but pain and suffering. My rigid single speed dolls it out in large quantities. What's better is that the pain and suffering is completely self inflicted."
    I agree. That is one of the coolest things I've read here on MTBR in long time.

    To the answer the original post. I really like the feel of my rigid singlespeed. When I stand up it goes. For me and the place I ride the most it is faster. You would be amazed how fast you can climb when you don't have a choice (to gear down).

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    welcome!

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    1) you have a bike you can convert
    2) you're taking the time to inquire about it on the SS boards
    3) Next step in your immediate future: conversion and first ride report!

    you know its coming. That's exactly the same process that I went through.

    oops, almost forgot Step 4:

    neglect/sell your current ride

    pull up a chair to the SS bonfire and grab a beer...you're gonna be here a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    and the shoes
    and the shorts
    and the brakes
    and the camelbak
    and the other riders laughing at me as they pass going up hill...

    I am sure it's probably fun. Just don't know if it is worth it to me or not. Although having a 20lb bike would be cool.

    I don't know about the other riders passing us uphill. By the time you figure out what gear you need to be in, I'll be cranking it over the top with my smelly ass in ur face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood
    1) you have a bike you can convert
    2) you're taking the time to inquire about it on the SS boards
    3) Next step in your immediate future: conversion and first ride report!

    you know its coming. That's exactly the same process that I went through.

    oops, almost forgot Step 4:

    neglect/sell your current ride

    pull up a chair to the SS bonfire and grab a beer...you're gonna be here a while.

    pull up a chair young man, and let Uncle Hollywood tell you a story...
    sh!t man, we all just ss so we can hang here and read HW's stories..

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    No....

    Quote Originally Posted by riderx
    Has bulC been banned? I hope not. I'm sure I'm in a very small minority, but I like his posts. Sometimes gruff, but generally speaking the truth.
    Not banned. Self imposed exile, I think.

    Any plans for the weekend of April 8th? I hear there's a party brewing in St. Louis that you would probably like.

    I'm trying to make it out for the SSWC but with the date being right at the start of school, it's looking less and less likely that I can swing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadiegonebad
    pull up a chair young man, and let Uncle Hollywood tell you a story...
    sh!t man, we all just ss so we can hang here and read HW's stories..
    Uncle Hollywood, read me a storeee...in Wisconsin here, where we have tons and tons of metric snow...we like stories.

    Hey, I ride SS because it was much more efficient. Much more efficient to keep my mouth shut about "Ah man, I was, like, on the big ring...then there was this turn and I had to like, pant pant, shift to the middle ring....then my chian got all messed up by the granny gear man...dood, I gotta master how to shift better...hey, is SRAM better then XTR?"

    bcitches!
    Shifting takes the fun out of a normal ride for me. I just like to ride unhindered of shifing mechanisms a la mud cake in the woods with a muddy ride.

    I don't freak about getting my gears dirty. I only freak about cars. Not shifting and riding SS allows me not to think about what gear to shift to and why my bike is ghost shifting...

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    Subjective....

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Wow, I am amazed that out of all the replies one person managed to actually give a decent one. Thanks. I ask because I am curious about the SS phenomenon. It seems very popular but everytime I start going up and hill and have to downshift to get to a useable gear I can't figure out how a singlespeed would be beneficial in that instance. But I am curious about it all.

    Granted, I know that there are people on a singlespeed that could crush many of those on geared bikes but that's not really where I was going. Heck there are probably people that could crush me on a tricycle. So what. I ride for the fun of it all. Of course, crushing here and there is fun too...

    Thanks for the comment. Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....
    So you didn't realize that redundancy was built in to gearing and that makes a response a "decent one"?

    Asking why we choose to ride SS's isn't a response to which there is one definitive answer. We all choose to ride SS's for our own wide and varied reasons. Trying to find the reason that makes you change your mind isn't what we're here for.

    I ride a SS because that's the type of bike I like to ride. I have a geared bike but don't bring it out much. I have more fun riding on my SS, so that's the bike I ride.

    I'm not here to sell or pitch SSing to anyone. I would never suggest that SSing is superior, better, more kore, etc. I suggest this: Try it. If you like it, that will be great because you'll have discovered another way to enjoy mountain biking. If you don't like it and prefer to ride your geared bike, that will be great too because you'll still enjoy mountain biking.

    If you're really that interested, read the FAQ as others have mentioned.

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    Go for it. Enjoy it.

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    and the other riders laughing at me as they pass going up hill...
    Do not be so sure that geared bikes will be passing you going uphill. I am faster going uphill on my single speed than on my geared bike. I think this is for one main reason: I'm lazy. The single speed forces me to ride faster, and I think it has made me stronger as a result.

    A reason to try single speeding not mentioned above is that it can be less expensive than a geared habit. Though there are plenty of single speeds posted on this board worth multiple $1000.

    I made up my mind to give it a go after watching one of my riding budddies finish very well in the vermont 50 this past year. Then I learned that the guy who won the whole thing (troy michaud) was on a single speed. He entered in the regular expert class because he did not know that there was a single speed class and beat the field by 13 minutes.

    I say give it a try, you might like it.

    What kind of frame are you thinking of converting?

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    Until...

    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    Not shifting and riding SS allows me not to think about what gear to shift to and why my bike is ghost shifting...
    That is until you ghost shift while climbing a grinder... that's always fun. Never happened to me, but I've heard stories...

    What's the difference between metric snow and imperial snow? Less snowmass? And if that's the case, what does a ski mountain near Aspen have to do with snow conversions?

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    It Challenges us....

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    I had the same question in my mind too. Even went so far as to [gasp!]...vocalize my disdain against singlespeeds. Then I converted an old bike and tried it. Never looked back.

    I just wished I hadn't been so close-minded about it, because I missed several years of singlespeeding before the epiphany.

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    Nat, no offense...but your avatar pic makes me insane...

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    metric

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC
    That is until you ghost shift while climbing a grinder... that's always fun. Never happened to me, but I've heard stories...

    What's the difference between metric snow and imperial snow? Less snowmass? And if that's the case, what does a ski mountain near Aspen have to do with snow conversions?

    Ken
    I meant "metric tons" of snow. Want some. I might as well put some snow on ebay. Selling it bulk.

    I wish the USA adopted metric for everything.

    As for ghost shifting...it scares me. One time I was riding, and my bike, like, ghost shifted and I was scared. I think Unsolved Mysteries did a segment on it once...

    With SS, no ghosts in my shifting...it's like telling the ghost to leave or some siht like that.

    Whoa! did you just see that? My eye twitched! I must be haunted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC
    Not banned. Self imposed exile, I think.

    Any plans for the weekend of April 8th? I hear there's a party brewing in St. Louis that you would probably like.

    I'm trying to make it out for the SSWC but with the date being right at the start of school, it's looking less and less likely that I can swing it.

    Ken
    I don't think I can swing making it out this year for that sweet party you guys throw. Believe me, I've been trying to come up with a way to do it.

    As far as SSWC goes, check your email.
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    As a follow-up to my smarta$$ answer I offer this.

    I enjoy the challenge and fitness I get from riding my s/s. It's quite addictive as you always want to go back and ride a little further or harder than before.
    As Ken said, it's definitely not for everyone and it's not necessesarily superior to other bikes (although mine thinks it's better than its f/s Yeti brother).

    Riding a singlespeed regularly will bring you to a whole 'nother level of fitness and make you a better, stronger rider all-around. Singlespeeding requires you to stay off the brakes to keep your momentum and it requires you to charge up hills harder than on a geared bike.
    You also gain an important mental edge as the suffering (yes it hurts - bad sometimes, that's one reason it's not for everyone) you endure makes you stronger between the ears too. As you endure more, you become more confident in what you are capable of.

    I suggest you give it a try and see what all the hubbub is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Wow, I am amazed that out of all the replies one person managed to actually give a decent one. ....
    We don't answer offensively because we don't care. Trust me, we do care... deeply.

    Borrow a SS from someone. Ride it. If you have fun, build one. Ride it more. If you don't, then you can live your life in a manner that makes you happy, secure in the knowledge that you gave it a whirl.

    The most important thing is to experience life for yourself.... and don't touch yourself too much.

    Thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC
    I ride a SS because that's the type of bike I like to ride. I have a geared bike but don't bring it out much. I have more fun riding on my SS, so that's the bike I ride.
    Hey Ken,

    Have I got a ride for you! I'm assuming that you'll be up in Calgary still this summer. Its Lake Miniwanka, it was a fun trail even before I tried it on a SS. Then it was amazing! Its out by Banff with rolling windy singletrack along the side a big lake. Its an out and back ride that you can do about 35km...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambone
    Nat, no offense...but your avatar pic makes me insane...
    You must have a fever with only one cure....

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    the important things

    Quote Originally Posted by roadiegonebad
    sh!t man, we all just ss so we can hang here and read HW's stories..
    My stories, One f******g Speed stickers and beer chat.

    A man don't need much more'n that...

    ...and satellite TV with a universal remote. And a leather La-Z-Boy. That'll do it. (for the rain days )

    ...and a custom ti SS bike. Done.

    ...and a week as Camp Counselor at Camp Podium Girl.

    HW

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    Justify this: With no derailleur it's easier to change a rear wheel flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....
    Did you go to the Clyde forum and ask why they are Clydes?
    Did you go to the wieght weenie forum and ask "why do things need to be light"?
    Did you go to the 29er forum and ask "why 29er"?
    Did you go to Cannondale forum and ask "why Cannondale"?
    Did you go to a vegitarian forum and ask "why no meat?"

    Could this be about the question you asked and where you asked it?

    It's ok... lots of people ask and we don't mind sharing.

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    Hmmmmm...

    I seem to get this question a lot, so I don't usually open these threads. There's a lot of guys here who are more eloquent than me who do answer this query regularly.
    Why? I guess "As a white male in America, I have a genetic disposition to serious self loathing. I deserve nothing but pain and suffering. My rigid single speed dolls (doles?)it out in large quantities. What's better is that the pain and suffering is completely self inflicted." may not work, since I'm Hispanic. I do loves me some sufferin', though! I guess there's a drive in some of us to just do things the "hard way." Sure, when I fish, I could probably catch a delicious bass easier with bait-cast stuff than with my fly rig. But isn't it about the journey, not the destination, or something? I don't really know why I'm personally driven to ride the bike I do, and I'm sure there's almost as many reasons out there as people doing it.
    I can tell you one thing. I haven't ridden a bike with derailleurs off road in 4 years. I haven't ridden one with a derailleur at all in 9 months, and I haven't coasted in 6 months.
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    ....Gotta have more cowbell. Why SS? Four riders start out for a little 26 mile ride in the hills, 3 singles and one gearie FS. Guess which rider had to limp out of the woods 10 miles into the ride because a little stick got thrown up into his drivetrain? Our friend the gearie had his Saturday ride cut short with a busted derailluer, snapped hanger, and kinked chain. That can't happen if you only have one gear. SS can also stand for Simple Speed.

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    Oh the peacefullness of a SS compared to a gearie.

    Just the thought of gears makes me shudder. I was out on a ride this saturday with 5 single speeders and just sitting there pedaling and talking with them was nice because you did not hear all of the gears shifting, the rear derailleur slapping the frame, the chain slapping the chainstays. Just peacefullness and riding. The next day I went out with two single speeders and four gearies and heard all of the above the whole time. Just try it out and see for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby-doo
    Just the thought of gears makes me shudder. I was out on a ride this saturday with 5 single speeders and just sitting there pedaling and talking with them was nice because you did not hear all of the gears shifting, the rear derailleur slapping the frame, the chain slapping the chainstays. Just peacefullness and riding. The next day I went out with two single speeders and four gearies and heard all of the above the whole time. Just try it out and see for yourself.
    unfortunately, I just had the opposite experience. Met for a ride with 3 other ssers and two gearies.. All of the noise came from me because I didn't remove and clean my bb/cranks after Old Pueblo. Everyone knew when I stood up. They banished me off to ride alone on the climbs

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    Despite the nature of this thread, and the fun-loving heckling that you received early on, notice that this is the only thread where >10% of the views result in a reply. At least for now...

    If nothing else, the ssers on this board love to express their opinions about the allure of ssing..

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    Why gears?

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    I'd been considering it but I decided to try the "no" budget version of SS first; pick a 2/1 gear and don't shift. What I discovered is that I don't like walking the really steep hills and I'm not neerly strong enough to ride them without the lower gears, plus it hurts my joints to push the bigger gears. I saved a bunch of money and found that it's not for me. It's a good way to try it without spending the $. For those into it have a blast, anything having to do with bikes is worth trying.

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    My fave answer to this question so far is...

    "A derailer killed my father."

    I don't know who originally posted it here but it's my standard response these days. It makes people stop and think for a bit. Try it. Its piss funny some of the responses you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider
    I'd been considering it but I decided to try the "no" budget version of SS first; pick a 2/1 gear and don't shift. What I discovered is that I don't like walking the really steep hills and I'm not neerly strong enough to ride them without the lower gears, plus it hurts my joints to push the bigger gears. I saved a bunch of money and found that it's not for me. It's a good way to try it without spending the $. For those into it have a blast, anything having to do with bikes is worth trying.
    Not the same thing at all! Would you consider trying again? This time, pick a lower gear (2:1 is too tall for you and your hills, at least for now), perhaps 32/20. Also, if you stick with it you become much stronger in a short time. My bum knee has never felt better since riding SS. I hypothesize it's because the muscles around it have become much stronger.

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    Be Carefull

    Be carefull, I got sucked in just poking around. It all started so innocently. One day I was asking questions about S/S and they next thing I knew I had converted a bike. Now I own 2 S/S specific frames. Where does it all end. If you haven't tasted a single yet there still might be a chance. Run,Run,,,,Run back to your geard bike while you still can....

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    So if they are pointing and laughing "behind" my back then they are "behind" me then right?
    But definately give it a try. Think of the money you can save not buying gears and stuff, mmmm More Beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Not the same thing at all! Would you consider trying again? This time, pick a lower gear (2:1 is too tall for you and your hills, at least for now), perhaps 32/20. Also, if you stick with it you become much stronger in a short time. My bum knee has never felt better since riding SS. I hypothesize it's because the muscles around it have become much stronger.
    I agree Nat. I've had bad knees for a long time and they have not flaired up once since I started SSing. This was my big reservation about singlespeeding is that I didn't want to screw my knees up anymore. I definately feel like my knees are alot stronger than they used to be.

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    I meant "metric tons" of snow. Want some. I might as well put some snow on ebay. Selling it bulk...
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    Try a lower gear.
    Not shifting on a gearie is not the same as riding a SS. A "real" SS feels different.
    My knees are stronger since I started SSing and I had ACL reconstruction in 1982. My knees hurt when I ride my road gearie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by screampint
    It's fun.
    Well, even gearies are fun, but IT'S MUCH MORE FUN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambone
    so who was it that gave the decent reply?

    you have to understand that people just get sick of this question in the singlespeed forum, it comes up about once a week, and the same points are hashed out.

    SS is not for everybody. But on the right bike in the right terrain its a hell of alot of fun. If you do alot of climbing it can be brutal lungbusting misery, on nice rolly curvy terrain it is a blast.

    It's hard to explain really, but you just have to work with the bike more...rather then changing the bike to work with you by shifting gears. The lighterweight and less component noise is a benefit, but for me I just love having to strategize my pedal stroke rather then when I shift gears.

    I also ride a geared squishy bike too...it just depends on the trail, the day, and my mood.

    give it a try. I jumped in feet first and bought a Kona Unit before even trying SS. Risky but it turned out great as I spend probly half my time on it. If you aren't ready to throw down $, either demo or borrow one, or build up an old beater.

    I have some SS disk wheels in the classifieds now by the way.

    cheers
    I have to say, I am very interested but I just got through spending my budget building out my first dual suspension bike. I kept my old bike and was going to retire it to my wife. If I could convince her that she would like a ss better, then that would be my ticket. It may be an option in the future as well.

    And FYI, so far, I liked your explanation best... I can see how strategizing my pedal strokes could be very fun to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwing Duck
    As a follow-up to my smarta$$ answer I offer this.

    I enjoy the challenge and fitness I get from riding my s/s. It's quite addictive as you always want to go back and ride a little further or harder than before.
    As Ken said, it's definitely not for everyone and it's not necessesarily superior to other bikes (although mine thinks it's better than its f/s Yeti brother).

    Riding a singlespeed regularly will bring you to a whole 'nother level of fitness and make you a better, stronger rider all-around. Singlespeeding requires you to stay off the brakes to keep your momentum and it requires you to charge up hills harder than on a geared bike.
    You also gain an important mental edge as the suffering (yes it hurts - bad sometimes, that's one reason it's not for everyone) you endure makes you stronger between the ears too. As you endure more, you become more confident in what you are capable of.

    I suggest you give it a try and see what all the hubbub is about.
    I would love to try it, its just not in the budget right now. But that is why I was asking. I am interested and may plan to build out a SS later but I wanted some input before laying out the $$ for a SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I would love to try it, its just not in the budget right now. But that is why I was asking. I am interested and may plan to build out a SS later but I wanted some input before laying out the $$ for a SS.
    You can convert a hardtail for about $25 or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloWithOthers
    Did you go to the Clyde forum and ask why they are Clydes?
    Did you go to the wieght weenie forum and ask "why do things need to be light"?
    Did you go to the 29er forum and ask "why 29er"?
    Did you go to Cannondale forum and ask "why Cannondale"?
    Did you go to a vegitarian forum and ask "why no meat?"

    Could this be about the question you asked and where you asked it?

    It's ok... lots of people ask and we don't mind sharing.
    Well this is about the most stupid post so far.
    1. They are clydes because they are all named Clyde and they drink Budweiser beer.
    2. They are weight weenies because they can control the weight of their bikes but not their bodies.
    3. They are 29ers because they are not 28 nor 30 but somewhere in between.
    4. They are cannondales because they like animals. http://cannondaleanimalclinic.com/
    5. And lastly, I would never visit the vegitarian forum because I belong to PETV (People for the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables). PETV members only eat meat because we can't stand what is done to the poor defenseless plants who can't even run from danger.

    So you see, I had all the answers to the other questions, just not this one. I thought that the single speed forum were fast moving unmarried people but I am glad I got that cleared up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I have to say, I am very interested but I just got through spending my budget building out my first dual suspension bike. I kept my old bike...
    There have been many people here that did that. Built their Dream Bike, Bling-Bling full sussy. Converted their old bike to SS to use as a simple around-town beater.

    Then they rode the SS on the trails.
    Bought a production SS specific frame.
    Then a custom Bling-Bling SS.

    And the "Dream Bike" sits in the corner collecting dust.

    Now quite my story but after I got my first SS I rode my gearie offroad maybe 5 times in 4 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Try a lower gear.
    Not shifting on a gearie is not the same as riding a SS. A "real" SS feels different.
    My knees are stronger since I started SSing and I had ACL reconstruction in 1982. My knees hurt when I ride my road gearie.
    ice after a ride is a GREAT thing for a cure of that...after a while the knees won't need the ice
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    The climbing issue.

    The almighty SS'er will pass all but the strongest gearies going uphill. When they grab the granny and start flopping their knees chinward, the SS'er will be out of the saddle stomping the pedals and hoping for traction as the bike gets tossed side to side in the struggle against gravity.

    Downhill is anybody's game.

    Big ringers can catch a SS on the flats, but only to get passed again on the climb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I had the same question in my mind too. Even went so far as to [gasp!]...vocalize my disdain against singlespeeds. Then I converted an old bike and tried it. Never looked back.

    I just wished I hadn't been so close-minded about it, because I missed several years of singlespeeding before the epiphany.
    Nat, thanks for getting rid of the scottish cowbell guy!

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    sticky

    someone get this thread all sticky-like and let it hang around for a while, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    You can convert a hardtail for about $25 or less.
    It can be done for $0. Mostly it is taking things off.
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    5. And lastly, I would never visit the vegitarian forum because I belong to PETV (People for the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables). PETV members only eat meat because we can't stand what is done to the poor defenseless plants who can't even run from danger.

    So you see, I had all the answers to the other questions, just not this one. I thought that the single speed forum were fast moving unmarried people but I am glad I got that cleared up.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by hu-man
    5. And lastly, I would never visit the vegitarian forum because I belong to PETV (People for the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables). PETV members only eat meat because we can't stand what is done to the poor defenseless plants who can't even run from danger.

    So you see, I had all the answers to the other questions, just not this one. I thought that the single speed forum were fast moving unmarried people but I am glad I got that cleared up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    Be carefull, I got sucked in just poking around. It all started so innocently. One day I was asking questions about S/S and they next thing I knew I had converted a bike. Now I own 2 S/S specific frames. Where does it all end. If you haven't tasted a single yet there still might be a chance. Run,Run,,,,Run back to your geard bike while you still can....
    Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I have been so excited about my new dual suspension that I have been building, the thought of liking and converting to a SS gives me the shudders.

    Must....... resist........ think happy thoughts......... gears and gears, lots of gears....... go to a happy place full of wonderful gears.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfix
    What kind of frame are you thinking of converting?
    Well, IF I went with the SS idea the frame would be my old GT Avalanche LE. But that bike is going to become my wife's so I doubt that it will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    It can be done for $0. Mostly it is taking things off.
    Absolutely. I'm figuring some pocket change for cassette spacers and maybe a cog.

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    HW said it once

    "beacuse the pain and exhaustion..."
    I get from singlespeeding overwhelm all of the other darkness in my life, pausing for brief moments of bliss the pain, the hopelessness, the incessant voices urging me to just give it all up. - Hollywood on MTBR
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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I have been so excited about my new dual suspension that I have been building, the thought of liking and converting to a SS gives me the shudders.

    Must....... resist........ think happy thoughts......... gears and gears, lots of gears....... go to a happy place full of wonderful gears.........
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    Absolutely. I'm figuring some pocket change for cassette spacers and maybe a cog.
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    If you have to ask, it's not for you!

    Don't waste your time if you don't get it. In fact, if you have to ask, it's not for you.

    There is no silver bullet answer. Here's the only way you'll find out "why?" If you get a chance to ride a SS, try it out on an actual ride and see if you like it. Then, and only then, can the seed begin to sprout and take root. If you hate it, move on to the next MTBR Forum and give it a shot. There are 20+ other Forums on this site that may fit your passion for cycling better.

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    The Metric System

    Actually the name Single Speed is deceiving. It all has to do with the metric system and how Americans still haven't really converted to it. Bob and Doug McKenzie explained metric conversion best on their hit commedy album. Using their calculations, if you want to convert SAE measurements to Metric, you double it and add 30.

    With that in mind, we're not really riding metric single speeds. 1 speed doubled makes it two speeds, and when you add 30, you come up with 32.

    In terms of the Metric System, we're riding 32 speeds.

    Hope that helps.

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    Singlespeed for the following reasons

    1) The bike is lighter, quieter and more efficient.
    2) Because gears are the most delicate and complicated part of the bike, get rid of them, and everything is simple.
    3) No screwing around with stupid derailleurs.
    4) No derailleur hangers to shear off when you get a stick in the chain or hit a rock.
    5) It makes you a more well balanced and efficient rider.
    6) When you are riding slower than your buddies on FS rigs, you have an excuse.
    7) It whips your ass into shape.
    8) Because it it more fun than biking with gears (not that biking with gears isn't fun)

    SS specific frame or convert, it doesn't matter. Join the singlespeed cult and get out and ride!

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    to come up with creative answers to the SAME EXACT QUESTIONS every week.
    THIS is my fav answer. nice one dude.

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    it's the cheese curds

    At the end of every bike ride is a tasty cold beer.

    At the end of every singlespeed ride is a tasty cold beer and a steaming hot plate of poutine:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS4life
    Nat- What happene to Will Ferrel? That was the funniest avators I've seen.
    I changed it after this thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...21023#poststop

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    But that bike is going to become my wife's so I doubt that it will happen.
    Don't worry, she won't ride it anyway. Haven't you seen the wussy thread yet?

    Okay, truthfully, I think novices (even novices born with baby makers) feel more comfortable on singlespeeds. When riders start out, they spend so much time in the wrong gear or trying to find the right gear that they goof up on fairly easy singletrack. I know, I know - teach 'em how to use gears.

    Well, screw that. I think they do a little better learning trail skills first and then learning shifting. It reduces their initial frustration.

    So give the wifey a singlespeed bike and see how she likes it.

    Just don't go sawing your last derailleur hanger in half. My man-ho turned my last Schwinn hanger into a semi functioning beer bottle opener with a dremmal. Pretty much rendered it a SS for life. Sometimes a twelve pack and a bunch of tools breeds experiments gone wrong and/or bleeding digits. But, most of the time it makes for freak bicycle genious (exhibit a: Singlespeeded Santa Cruz Blur - this was the dream bike turned dust collector after I turned to the single side - now it's the idiot proof "Short Bus")

    I've digressified.

    Why SS? Cause all of the cool kids are doing it. And by cool I mean a bunch of beer guzzling folks who will eat stuff for money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutineyum
    At the end of every bike ride is a tasty cold beer.

    At the end of every singlespeed ride is a tasty cold beer and a steaming hot plate of poutine:

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    yikes! i think i had a heart attack just looking at that. and if not my cholesterol jumped at least 100 pts.

    yum.

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    well, that really does explain everything!

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    do both!

    I ride a SS and a FS Giant VT and they both kick ass! I'll admit, I ride the SS more than the FS but when I go down to my favorite singletrack, the FS is just too fun to pass up. I used to switch using the SS and FS on the same trail, all summer long. Eventually, I just stick with the FS for ANY trail riding, the SS is a bar bike and commuter for the most part. I often drop into some trails around the city when I'm riding by....and love it! So, you don't have to be Hardcore right or left (like alot of riders are)...just enjoy riding them both!

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    Good job! maybe

    I'll try it again. I've been riding for 12 years and I dig it but I'm not worried about beating many people to the top of the hill. It's more about having a good time and enjoying the technical riding and getting some excersize doing something I enjoy. I have a local 9 mile climb, not too steep but relentless. I normally climb it in middle 1st and I tried it in middle second and at the 5 mile mark I was allmost 20 min slower an my knees were burning. I might not enjoy pain enough for ss but I'll work on my S&M threashold so I can try SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwing Duck
    How 'bout ye some Haggis 'n Chips and a pint




    That'l put some hair on yer arse.
    Is it just me (and the books I have been reading) or is there something very sexual about this picture? "Haggas and Chips"... is that what the kids are calling it these days? ;-)

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    Bust ahead...

    I have a carbon Duel suspension Fuel. It is the bomb. I love it. Four months ago I rode with some guys I did not know and they kicked my butt up the climbs. They all rode singlespeed. I investigated and decided to see if a singlespeed could make me a better climber/rider. For $100, a buddy and I converted my hardtail. Some spend more, some spend less. My first ride, I was out of the saddle and climbing hills much more aggressive. I have found that I like the way I ride better on my single speed. I still ride the Fuel, but currently I am riding the single speed 4 times as often. Riding a single speed is harder and sometimes the geared bikes do get up hills I do not. But,I have improved alot and I control my heart rate much better now that I don't downshift and spin up the hills. There is alot of satisfaction in climbing hills when you do not have the choice of downshifting. For me: I plan on keeping the Fuel. I also plan on keeping my road bike. I plan on keeping my hardtail with the singlelater with the front suspension. But, I have on order my new Voodoo Wanga One frame to ride single speed with a Surly Instigator Rigid Fork. I saw where you felt that you had only one good reply out of the responses and you thought the singlespeeders had kind of berated you. My 2 cents is if you like riding a bike, we are all brothers. I grew up beating on my brother and fighting over room in the back seat of the Ford Pinto. As far as I am concerned, two fighting brothers that love each other are better then two kissing brothers who love each other. If you can't take ribbing in an online forum, you probably shouldn't ride the singlespeed. Your wife should.

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    You made me laugh out loud at work and squirt water out my nose.
    That ain't cool man.
    Please keep the wit to a dull wacky.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    I meant "metric tons" of snow. Want some. I might as well put some snow on ebay. Selling it bulk.

    I wish the USA adopted metric for everything.

    As for ghost shifting...it scares me. One time I was riding, and my bike, like, ghost shifted and I was scared. I think Unsolved Mysteries did a segment on it once...

    With SS, no ghosts in my shifting...it's like telling the ghost to leave or some siht like that.

    Whoa! did you just see that? My eye twitched! I must be haunted.
    keep moving

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    wack

    Quote Originally Posted by Burpee
    You made me laugh out loud at work and squirt water out my nose.
    That ain't cool man.
    Please keep the wit to a dull wacky.
    IMO, I think SSers are a sarcastic and mellow bunch.

    That's why I like SS. It has changed my personality for the better.
    From now on, when Trading Spouses comes to visit, I want to be paired up with some HBFK family.

    That's right! I'll have them riding my SS bikes, and I'll be kicking some ass, military milli vanilly style with no brakes in between to eat a McMuffin with balls.

    I think our SS motto is like the little engine that could. Geared riders motto is like the little asswipe that couldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    IMO, I think SSers are a sarcastic and mellow bunch.

    That's why I like SS. It has changed my personality for the better.
    From now on, when Trading Spouses comes to visit, I want to be paired up with some HBFK family.

    That's right! I'll have them riding my SS bikes, and I'll be kicking some ass, military milli vanilly style with no brakes in between to eat a McMuffin with balls.

    I think our SS motto is like the little engine that could. Geared riders motto is like the little asswipe that couldn't.
    I like McMuffins...

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    plain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I like McMuffins...
    Do you like them plain, or with balls?

    See, there's a difference here, like good vs evil. Like Darth fighting Luke (GO DARTH!), like Pepsi vs Coca Cola...like SS vs Gears. Like WWF vs WCW.

    I'll never forget 2 years ago, riding at Kettle Moraine, new to SS again...the longest hill in the back of the Blue Loop...climbed it...passed 2 gearies...then the rest of the gearies were at top of the hill, staring at my only one gear super dooper sinple drivetrain. As if they were in dumbfounded awe. It was all cool, but every time one of them tried to catch up, I'd leave them behind in the hills...as I heard their shifters, um, shift?

    I saw the tunnel had a light, and I didn't stay away. I followed it, so now, I am an indoctrinator of SS and it's good benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    Most gearies these days have 27 speeds. Can you honestly say that you use them all? If not, why do you need the ones you don't use?

    I can honestly say that I use every available gear on my bicycle on every ride. I don't need anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Objectionable Material
    Most gearies these days have 27 speeds. Can you honestly say that you use them all? If not, why do you need the ones you don't use?

    I can honestly say that I use every available gear on my bicycle on every ride. I don't need anything else.

    XOXO

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    PS: Sorry for not being entirely sarcastic. It has been a rough day. I think I need a hug.
    There, you now have a hug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    There, you now have a hug.
    Thanks Ernesto! My day is now complete.

    I'm at peace with myself, the world and my single speed.

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    no problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Objectionable Material
    Thanks Ernesto! My day is now complete.

    I'm at peace with myself, the world and my single speed.

    Peter
    No problem.

    See, if you had a geared bike and asked for a hug, I might just kick your ass. But I wouldn't anyway because you ride a bike. I know I just contradicted myself, like Mr. T.

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    Mr. T in your pocket

    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    No problem.

    See, if you had a geared bike and asked for a hug, I might just kick your ass. But I wouldn't anyway because you ride a bike. I know I just contradicted myself, like Mr. T.
    Well since you brought up Mr. T, I thought I'd share the BEST christmas present I got this year. Very rarely do I get presents that mean as much to me as this....



    My favorite is when you press the middle row button on the right side. It says, "Don't make me mad. GRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrr". It really sounds like T too.

    I think it is fair to say that gearies might not get this kind of quality content in their fora.

    Peter

    PS: single speed content.... If Mr. T rode a mountain bike, he'd be riding an SS... probably a Fixie. He wouldn't call it anything as afeminite as a "fixie" though. "First name 'Mister', Middle name 'Period', Last Name 'T'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken in KC
    That is until you ghost shift while climbing a grinder
    or when hammering like crazy heading staight for a big dirt jump (like so: hammer hammer hammmmer... slip [insert sound of vanishing resistance]... owwwww [pain beyond pain].... [brakes squealing to get you off the toptube before hitting that jump].......).
    ss won't ghost-shift so long as you dont go cheap and try to use recycled ramped cogs.
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    Good job! some day

    Quote Originally Posted by fish man
    or when hammering like crazy heading staight for a big dirt jump (like so: hammer hammer hammmmer... slip [insert sound of vanishing resistance]... owwwww [pain beyond pain].... [brakes squealing to get you off the toptube before hitting that jump].......).
    ss won't ghost-shift so long as you dont go cheap and try to use recycled ramped cogs.
    Dood, that's mega-scary.

    Some day I am going to call the "Coast to Coast" radio show at 3 am amd tell the guy that I have experienced ghost shifting before.

    I know I'm not alone.

    Is the truth out there?

    Were ghosts trying to shift for me? Were they malevolent? sonsoviches!
    My geared parts gave up the ghost many months ago. Or rather, many years ago.

    It all started in 99. No shifting all of Kettle Moraine to feel what its like to be all SS.

    I saw matt Chester's ad on Dirt Rag...a couple of months later, I had a Utilitiman. A year later, I sold it like a fool.

    I got back into gears.

    2 months before moving back to WI, I started SS on my old Bontrager a la drop bars.

    Then, I became a sucker for ENO...and I...liked it.

    Bikes became SS.

    I have no desire to return to the queer side of the force.

    No gears for me.

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    One night, I was in bed...and my bike all of a sudden shifted...I almost shat myself. The ghosts came...and shifted my bike, without my permission. But then I Eno'd my bike...and the next time the ghosts came, Eno kick'd their @sses. I slept through it though, so I don't actually know if it happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Cyclesmith
    One night, I was in bed...and my bike all of a sudden shifted...I almost shat myself. The ghosts came...and shifted my bike, without my permission. But then I Eno'd my bike...and the next time the ghosts came, Eno kick'd their @sses. I slept through it though, so I don't actually know if it happened.
    Oh, ok, so you're saying you think that there was a ghost and then ENO won...ENO, the everlasting solution for people who want to go SS without buying a frame. SWEEEET!

    Cyclesmith, after I left the shop, on my way home, I deflected a gnome ghost using nothing but jubu and a hairy llama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Thanks for the comment. Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....
    I think you got heckling because of the way you worded your question. If you say that you are curious about singlespeeding and want to understand the allure then you would get more serious responses than if you come in with the "silly singlespeeders, don't you know that more gears is superior?" type question. You came off as some sort of know-it-all who was going to tell us the error of our ways. There are many, many reasons to try the singlespeed thing and you could ask about those instead of asking about whether multiple gears is superior. I bought one for several reasons:

    1. Winter riding around here is hell on drivetrains, pivots, shocks, etc. Singlespeeding simplifies this tremendously. Hell, on a particularly wet winter ride I'm having problems shifting by the time we are halfway through anyhow.

    2. Makes one a better rider. Singlespeeding forces you to try to utilize and conserve as much of your momentum as possible, making you a much smoother rider without all of the stops and starts, slowing down and speeding up.

    3. Singlespeeding makes you a stronger, more powerful rider. You really have to work much harder to push a 2:1 ratio up some of those hills than you do to granny gear it (pretty obvious) and you really have to push yourself to make it to the top of some of the climbs that you clean without any difficulty on your geared bike.

    4. They are very fun to ride. If you ride a rigid singlespeed you are really getting back to the roots of the sport as well as it being a cool feeling to just really feel in touch with the ground. On some of the fast, twisty singletrack around here you just feel so in control of the bike as you don't have the flex of the shocks and forks compressing to take away your feel for the turn. I don't know that I'm explaining this adequately but you really have to try it to really understand it.

    5. Less maintenance. On my geared bike I am constantly fiddling with the shifting as with time, build-up, cable stretching, and so on the shifting is always needing constant maintenance. The chain is shorter and stronger and has less chance for things going wrong as there are no chainsuck, forced shifts, and there is decreased friction in it to cause trailside chain repairs. My singlespeed doesn't sound like an orchestra of creaks, groans, and rubbing sounds after a long hard ride on a wet day.

    6. Eliminates the negative chi associated with the reverse curvature required to run the chain through the derailer pulleys as well as that bouncing off of the unused chainrings right below you. Allows you to focus in on the yin and yang of the mountain bike and allows you to center yourself.

    All right, I made up the last one, but the previous 5 are all good arguments. It is not so much a matter of whether singlespeeding is superior to gearies, its more of a matter of each one having its advantages and disadvantages and it really just matters which criteria you can judge them on are most critical to you. As for being passed by gearies, don't worry about it. They may pass by you on the flats, but on the hills the singlespeeder that can clean the climb is typically the first one to the top as he is forced to ride faster than the gearie by his choice of gear ratio. The singlespeeders I ride with would probably all make the top ten list of the fastest riders I know. I'm new to this as of the last few months and I'm really digging it except for on the steeper hills where I'm a little less keen on the idea.

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    New Question...

    I'll post my question here (because its serious), and I don't need to get ripped on in a new thread.

    I love the concept of the SS. I can see why you guys ride SS. I even think I might like riding a rigid 29er SS. However, can you SSers please comment on the type of terrain you mainly ride, especially pertaining to climbing?

    Today I rode a 3 mile climb that starts right from the car. It is very tough. I have become a seated climber because I'm on a FS, plus I don't think I could really stand on the peddals all the way up the long climbs I normally do. What do you guys do?

    OT: I'm looking into getting a custom HT with the Rohloff Speedhub. That way I can look like you, but still get the easier gears I need to get up those climbs...

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    I'll post my question here (because its serious), and I don't need to get ripped on in a new thread.

    I love the concept of the SS. I can see why you guys ride SS. I even think I might like riding a rigid 29er SS. However, can you SSers please comment on the type of terrain you mainly ride, especially pertaining to climbing?

    Today I rode a 3 mile climb that starts right from the car. It is very tough. I have become a seated climber because I'm on a FS, plus I don't think I could really stand on the peddals all the way up the long climbs I normally do. What do you guys do?

    OT: I'm looking into getting a custom HT with the Rohloff Speedhub. That way I can look like you, but still get the easier gears I need to get up those climbs...

    Thanks.
    Cowboy up.

    It'll probably hurt like hell for the first month or two of riding, but then you get really strong. If your typical climbs are very steep, then pick a cog to match the terrain. 2:1 ratio isn't mandatory. I'm not sure who the heck came up with that "standard" anyway. Another thing you can do, if you can convert a "tester" hardtail, is to leave the granny ring on and use a derailleur as a tensioner. That way you have a bail-out low gear that you can use until your fitness catches up.

    Try it without the Speedhub.

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    Awesome!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Cowboy up.

    It'll probably hurt like hell for the first month or two of riding, but then you get really strong. If your typical climbs are very steep, then pick a cog to match the terrain. 2:1 ratio isn't mandatory. I'm not sure who the heck came up with that "standard" anyway. Another thing you can do, if you can convert a "tester" hardtail, is to leave the granny ring on and use a derailleur as a tensioner. That way you have a bail-out low gear that you can use until your fitness catches up.

    Try it without the Speedhub.
    I was thinking that a post like this also needed a "What to expect" section. I think more people would stick with it if they knew what others had gone through on taking up SS, or what the learning/conditioning process was like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burkeman
    I think you got heckling because of the way you worded your question. If you say that you are curious about singlespeeding and want to understand the allure then you would get more serious responses than if you come in with the "silly singlespeeders, don't you know that more gears is superior?" type question. You came off as some sort of know-it-all who was going to tell us the error of our ways. There are many, many reasons to try the singlespeed thing and you could ask about those instead of asking about whether multiple gears is superior. I bought one for several reasons:

    1. Winter riding around here is hell on drivetrains, pivots, shocks, etc. Singlespeeding simplifies this tremendously. Hell, on a particularly wet winter ride I'm having problems shifting by the time we are halfway through anyhow.

    2. Makes one a better rider. Singlespeeding forces you to try to utilize and conserve as much of your momentum as possible, making you a much smoother rider without all of the stops and starts, slowing down and speeding up.

    3. Singlespeeding makes you a stronger, more powerful rider. You really have to work much harder to push a 2:1 ratio up some of those hills than you do to granny gear it (pretty obvious) and you really have to push yourself to make it to the top of some of the climbs that you clean without any difficulty on your geared bike.

    4. They are very fun to ride. If you ride a rigid singlespeed you are really getting back to the roots of the sport as well as it being a cool feeling to just really feel in touch with the ground. On some of the fast, twisty singletrack around here you just feel so in control of the bike as you don't have the flex of the shocks and forks compressing to take away your feel for the turn. I don't know that I'm explaining this adequately but you really have to try it to really understand it.

    5. Less maintenance. On my geared bike I am constantly fiddling with the shifting as with time, build-up, cable stretching, and so on the shifting is always needing constant maintenance. The chain is shorter and stronger and has less chance for things going wrong as there are no chainsuck, forced shifts, and there is decreased friction in it to cause trailside chain repairs. My singlespeed doesn't sound like an orchestra of creaks, groans, and rubbing sounds after a long hard ride on a wet day.

    6. Eliminates the negative chi associated with the reverse curvature required to run the chain through the derailer pulleys as well as that bouncing off of the unused chainrings right below you. Allows you to focus in on the yin and yang of the mountain bike and allows you to center yourself.

    All right, I made up the last one, but the previous 5 are all good arguments. It is not so much a matter of whether singlespeeding is superior to gearies, its more of a matter of each one having its advantages and disadvantages and it really just matters which criteria you can judge them on are most critical to you. As for being passed by gearies, don't worry about it. They may pass by you on the flats, but on the hills the singlespeeder that can clean the climb is typically the first one to the top as he is forced to ride faster than the gearie by his choice of gear ratio. The singlespeeders I ride with would probably all make the top ten list of the fastest riders I know. I'm new to this as of the last few months and I'm really digging it except for on the steeper hills where I'm a little less keen on the idea.
    Well, my question in the beginning was meant more to show my ignorance on the subject than point a boney finger at the ss riders. But I see your point.

    You know what is interesting, its interesting that in the beginning of this post I got a lot of people telling me that this subject has been beaten to death and to go check the FAQ's which I still haven't found, but somehow even though its apparently a beaten to death subject there are many still posting on it... So apparently there is a lot of passion from the SS riders.

    I am very curious and may try it at some point but I just finished my DS bike and to be honest it scares me to think that I may like SS and give up on the DS I just built.. So I will enjoy the DS and maybe in the future try the SS. I gave the perfect bike, my old one, for converting to my wife and I don't think she would appreciate me making it a SS so I could use it...

    Thanks for the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    check the FAQ's which I still haven't found
    It is in the top right of the single speed forums screen, but I posted a link below. It is a good and complete FAQ, with a lot of links to eye candy.

    Enjoy:

    http://www.mtbr.com/faq/ssfaq.shtml

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    I have to scroll across to see it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfix
    It is in the top right of the single speed forums screen, but I posted a link below. It is a good and complete FAQ, with a lot of links to eye candy.

    Enjoy:

    http://www.mtbr.com/faq/ssfaq.shtml
    Any way to make it more visible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSingleGuy
    Any way to make it more visible?
    That was my original problem too.

    -------

    I just recently (this past weekend) jumped on the SS bandwagon. I LOVE IT!!! I'm not a strong biker by any stretch of the imagination so trying to grind up a gradual hill with a 32x16 is hard for me, but at the same time, I'm absolutely loving it!!!!!

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    Well let me add my two cents in a non trolling way!

    First off I applaud you SS riders - takes alot more muscle than I have to power a ride to the top of a hill using a SS bike.

    I for one will never be a SS rider - the last SS bike I had was when I was a kid and the bike was a BMX bike. Didn't like it then sure as hell am sure I wouldn't like it now.

    I'm not sure why people refer to ghost shifting as I have never had a problem. But then again i run an 24 speed setup - 8 speed cassettes tend to not be as prone to ghost shifting as 9 speed cassettes. I've seen ghost shifting on a friends bike when he was using Shimano - it quit after he switched to SRAM.

    People here complaining about maintanence with a geared bike - seriously that made me laugh as a few bikes I own only need to be worked on once a year.

    There are a few things I don't allow when building a bike - I guess now SS will be on that list alongside road bike parts.

    After all - you guys ever heard of an professional renowed dowhill racer using a SS?

    And there ARE alternatives to geared bikes - internal transmissions for example!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    I for one will never be a SS rider
    Never say never.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    After all - you guys ever heard of an professional renowed dowhill racer using a SS?

    And there ARE alternatives to geared bikes - internal transmissions for example!
    Both miss the point entirely.

    Let us know when you're coming to Bend!

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    I don't think they miss the point.

    Downhill racers don't use SS rigs. Not all geared bikes use derailluers.

    Anyhow - my friends are planning a trip to Bend soon I'll let you all know on the Oregon forum. And by the way none of us use a SS bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197

    Downhill racers don't use SS rigs. Not all geared bikes use derailluers.
    Still missing the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Anyhow - my friends are planning a trip to Bend soon I'll let you all know on the Oregon forum. And by the way none of us use a SS bike.
    That's okay, we can still ride together.

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    I guess I don't have a point - just never cared for SS.

    Anyhoo - I hope we can ride soon. See ya around.
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    Because singlespeed is now mainstream. Everybody's doing it. Make sure you pick up a fixie too. Oh...and make sure they're pink.

    When you're done, make sure you come back and tell us all about how you converted your this and that hardtail and it was a religious experience - or post pics of yet another BASS/DISS/PUSS or 1x1.

    Me? I'm saving for the recumbent.

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    Hi

    Remember when 18 speeds were the ultimate? Why did you ride a bike offered with 21 speeds then? Why 24 speeds? Why 27 speeds? 1x1 is just as cool, you learn to ride a whole different way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proformance Cycle
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    Remember when 18 speeds were the ultimate? Why did you ride a bike offered with 21 speeds then? Why 24 speeds? Why 27 speeds? 1x1 is just as cool, you learn to ride a whole different way!

    Lee
    Maybe because I, for one, need the different speeds. And I like them. With the trails around here I couldn't imagine using a SS bike. Maybe because I'm a clydesdale and I'm out of shape.

    I should build up a SS - yes it WOULD have one cog in the rear. But I would stuff one of those 14 speed hubs in the middle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Maybe because I, for one, need the different speeds. And I like them. With the trails around here I couldn't imagine using a SS bike. Maybe because I'm a clydesdale and I'm out of shape.

    I should build up a SS - yes it WOULD have one cog in the rear. But I would stuff one of those 14 speed hubs in the middle.
    Just because it doesn't have derailer doesn't mean it is a single-speed. Single speeding is obviously not for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    I can tell you about my reasons.

    1) My single-speed bike is On-One Il Pompino, which is essentially a road bike or cyclo-cross. I usually avoid difficult off-road conditions when riding with that bike. I also have a MTB but it is (still) geared.
    2) The roads where I usually ride are such that I don't usually need more than one gear. I use 48:18 gearing and I ride all the hills up.
    3) Because I have only one gear, I have carefully optimized chain line and efficiency.
    4) I realized that a single speed bike is very reliable.
    5) A single speed bike looks good with less cables and moving parts.
    6) My single speed bike looks cheap. That is good, because I don't want thieves to get interested in my bike.

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    Me? I'm saving for the recumbent.
    But mine is going to be a FS, unicycle recumbent.

    Actually, I decided to ride SS because all the standing climbs help keep my taint from getting too leathery vs. sitting and spinning.

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    Listen dude, if you have to ask then obviously you don't have what it takes to be a singlespeeder. I don't know what kind of answer you are looking for, are you asking for some sort of existentialist type response that somehow involves how a bunch of lycra wearing masochists are tied together by biking with no shifters or derailleurs.

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    I learned from my HT SS that I don't need a granny gear. And if I was in the big ring, I was on asphalt---what's the point.

    So now my formerly 27-possible geared FS rig has lost it's big and little rings and front D. Now I'm going to whittle down the number of cogs on the back.

    And my road bike is dangerously near loosing ALL of it's gearing in favor of a flip-flop hub with a freewheel on one side and FIXED on the other.

    WHY?!

    Can't quite explain that. Think INTENSITY. That's my best answer. SS'ing brings back the intensity that reminds you of why you took up mountain biking to begin with. And that's fun.

    Plus you'll ALWAYS have a bunch of gearies asking you if you're crazy. I get a kick out of that.
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    Simplicity and silence

    I just do it for the suffering, really I tried it because of the hype created around here last year and got hooked.

    Also have seen so many mech failures on group rides and on my own bikes that made sense to give it a try. So far nothing has broken on my SS but the geared was suffering from ghost shifting and after some maintenance (has been neglected since only SSing) a new chain and rear mech pullies it was fixed.

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    Here's another short and sweet answer.

    BECAUSE fixed is a real beeotch off road.



    It came to me today while pounding pavement--fixed of course.
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    Because I can't pronounce d.., de..., der..., derailleur.

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    The only answer to this question is get the he--

    out there and ride a true single speed. If it was me I would try a steel single. Go easy on the gears until you are use to the ride style of the single and then move up to a tougher gear ratio. 2:1 usually kicks everyones azz up hill. Even after you get use to riding one speed. Look for companies doing demos in your area or shops that have rentals or demo bikes in stock. Good luck and you will be a believer of single speeds and never be able to answer your own question. Go onto Konas website they are doing national demos and have a unit on the truck.

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    Try the bigger cog and move out.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider
    I'll try it again. I've been riding for 12 years and I dig it but I'm not worried about beating many people to the top of the hill. It's more about having a good time and enjoying the technical riding and getting some excersize doing something I enjoy. I have a local 9 mile climb, not too steep but relentless. I normally climb it in middle 1st and I tried it in middle second and at the 5 mile mark I was allmost 20 min slower an my knees were burning. I might not enjoy pain enough for ss but I'll work on my S&M threashold so I can try SS.
    It takes some time to build the endurance. I've got a half a mile of steep climb on my daily commute and when I first went SS I did it with a 32-18. I realized after a month that the hill had gotten much easier so I went to a 32-16.
    The guys who talked about the strength of their muscles around the knee have a very good point. I've had bad knees for a few years now, I've found that since I've been SS I haven't had the pain or swelling I had before. I'm actually a better runner because of my SSing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catzilla
    Why SS? Cause all of the cool kids are doing it. And by cool I mean a bunch of beer guzzling folks who will eat stuff for money.

    now I know how I'm going to get the money for my first SS! really!!! The Kona Unit!

    Thanks!!

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    It's just something that you will either like or not. I tend to find myself riding SS only even though I have a geared bike. It's just simple and fun, but not all agree. Some just don't like it. So the best is to try it and then decide. Just don't think too much about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

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    An easy way to try is to adjsut the cables so you can't shift. This way you don't have to spend money on a bike to try.
    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    and the shoes
    and the shorts
    and the brakes
    and the camelbak
    and the other riders laughing at me as they pass going up hill...

    I am sure it's probably fun. Just don't know if it is worth it to me or not. Although having a 20lb bike would be cool.

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    I got quite lonely without all the chainslap. It almost lulls one to sleep. So I added a cowbell and now annoy most everyone. All is good in the universe again.QUOTE=Lambone]so who was it that gave the decent reply?

    you have to understand that people just get sick of this question in the singlespeed forum, it comes up about once a week, and the same points are hashed out.

    SS is not for everybody. But on the right bike in the right terrain its a hell of alot of fun. If you do alot of climbing it can be brutal lungbusting misery, on nice rolly curvy terrain it is a blast.

    It's hard to explain really, but you just have to work with the bike more...rather then changing the bike to work with you by shifting gears. The lighterweight and less component noise is a benefit, but for me I just love having to strategize my pedal stroke rather then when I shift gears.

    I also ride a geared squishy bike too...it just depends on the trail, the day, and my mood.

    give it a try. I jumped in feet first and bought a Kona Unit before even trying SS. Risky but it turned out great as I spend probly half my time on it. If you aren't ready to throw down $, either demo or borrow one, or build up an old beater.

    I have some SS disk wheels in the classifieds now by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    It's cheap to convert. Try it. If you like it great. If not oh well very few bucks spent.

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    I've seen a guy climb 7-8 miles straight (3500 vertical feet) on one. I haven't quite made it to that level yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    I'll post my question here (because its serious), and I don't need to get ripped on in a new thread.

    I love the concept of the SS. I can see why you guys ride SS. I even think I might like riding a rigid 29er SS. However, can you SSers please comment on the type of terrain you mainly ride, especially pertaining to climbing?

    Today I rode a 3 mile climb that starts right from the car. It is very tough. I have become a seated climber because I'm on a FS, plus I don't think I could really stand on the peddals all the way up the long climbs I normally do. What do you guys do?

    OT: I'm looking into getting a custom HT with the Rohloff Speedhub. That way I can look like you, but still get the easier gears I need to get up those climbs...

    Thanks.

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    Ok so I didn't read each and every post

    But after looking at some of the pics of the rides and reading this thread I see several with front suspension. I was just thinking that most of the enjoyment I get out of SSing is the feel of the rigid steel dancing around crap. I find that I am more attentive to my lines as I build my skills.
    As I got my SS I spoke with the Viking himself and he talked me out of front suspension and I am glad I listened to him.... I was just wondering what drew some of you to loosen the front and give it some travel.


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    This makes me want Tofu for some reason

    Quote Originally Posted by voodoovegan


    Hmmmmmmmmmm why is that?
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    For me it is 150+ miles on a SS. For others they have their reason. Basically we don't have the nuts to want to go fully rigid all the time. I though about it long and hard. Actually rode rigid for a while. But after 10+ hours on a bike it's kind of nice not to be on top of everything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dude
    But after looking at some of the pics of the rides and reading this thread I see several with front suspension. I was just thinking that most of the enjoyment I get out of SSing is the feel of the rigid steel dancing around crap. I find that I am more attentive to my lines as I build my skills.
    As I got my SS I spoke with the Viking himself and he talked me out of front suspension and I am glad I listened to him.... I was just wondering what drew some of you to loosen the front and give it some travel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by capn cowbell
    It's cheap to convert. Try it. If you like it great. If not oh well very few bucks spent.
    I am really loving the situation I am creating. I'm ordering a Waltworks 29er custom, but the wait is so long, I am ordering a Surly KM to build up so I have something to ride. The plan was to just then transfer all the stuff to the Walt, and sell the KM frame. But now, I say, why not spend a little more money I do not have, and build the KM into a rigid SS?

    See, I actually hate riding bikes, especially up hills. I mean, I hate it. I'm new into serious riding, and when I go out on my road bike, and I see a hill, I get depressed. I'm 330 pounds and 6'7" tall. Going up a hill is nothing but suffering. It is actually a battle for my body, on what I am going to lose first, the legs or the lungs. I'm trying to do about 100 miles a week on the road, and every ride I return from, I have to sit for 2 hours and moan.

    See, I can't abide this cadence thing. (I will not abide another toe!) I know that a man named Lance did it in a place called France with high cadence...but that tires me out. I tend to rely more on my power. So when I hit a hill, I hate downshifting and I never, ever make it to the granny gear. I keep it 2nd ring in the front, granny in the rear at worst. The reason is, I hate hills so much, and suffer so greatly on them (you light boys might think about duct taping another rider to yourselves to mimic my situation) that I just want to get the thing over with, and the granny gear is just too damn slow for that. So I just muscle it out as best I can and then when I recover from blacking out at the top, start pedaling again.

    Thus, I think a SS would fit me well. Especially a SS 29er. Maybe with long cranks. Like 190+.

    Anyhow, I'm pumped to do this, but it won't happen until I get my Walt (probably August?) and so by then, I'll hopefully be in better SS shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    No balls no glory!!! With all the standing during singlespeeding there is a less chance of developing erectile dysfunction!!!! Got to love that!

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    "It can be done for $0. Mostly it is taking things off."

    Can you give me more info. on how to convert?

    I have a nice steel frame that I just refinished and I was planning on using this:

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...rsion+Kit.aspx

    Also, do I need a specific type of crankset or can I set up a triple w/ just the middle ring? Will it line up properly?

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    The gusset kit looks nice and works well for some people, but you can do it for $0 if you have horizontal or semi horizontal drop outs. There is a lot of information in the FAQ section: http://www.mtbr.com/faq/ssfaq.shtml

    For the short of it, bust apart two cassettes, and use the spacers of the cassette to line up the cog of your choice in the back with the chainring of your choice in the front. You can use any crankset you desire. YOu can even use the ramped cogs from your current cassette, though they are less than ideal. My first single speed was entirely from recycled parts. The ramped cog in the back tended to toss the chain when under heavy load (when you least want it). To solve that I sandwiched the 20 tooth cog I wante to use between two 24 tooth cogs like this: spacers/24tooth/spacer/20tooth/spacer/24tooth/spacers/lockring. I never lost my chain again after that fix.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenfix
    The gusset kit looks nice and works well for some people, but you can do it for $0 if you have horizontal or semi horizontal drop outs. There is a lot of information in the FAQ section: http://www.mtbr.com/faq/ssfaq.shtml

    For the short of it, bust apart two cassettes, and use the spacers of the cassette to line up the cog of your choice in the back with the chainring of your choice in the front. You can use any crankset you desire. YOu can even use the ramped cogs from your current cassette, though they are less than ideal. My first single speed was entirely from recycled parts. The ramped cog in the back tended to toss the chain when under heavy load (when you least want it). To solve that I sandwiched the 20 tooth cog I wante to use between two 24 tooth cogs like this: spacers/24tooth/spacer/20tooth/spacer/24tooth/spacers/lockring. I never lost my chain again after that fix.


    good luck with your build.

    Thanks - this is a big help. It's good to know that I can use an older crankset for now just to get it built up. Now, how can I get out of the office w/o being noticed

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    help out the iceman

    i was recently riding somewhere in ohio and was getting my a$$kicked by a uphill from hell and got passed by a dude on singlespeed, now granted i was on my freerider, but the dude passed me like i was standing still, and i'm no springchicken either. i'm gonna have to give this biz a shot. are most of u guys setting these things up yourselves or having a shop do it? i've got an old cannondale f400 sitting around collecting dust anybody have any suggestions of how to go about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by udontknowmehomie
    i was recently riding somewhere in ohio and was getting my a$$kicked by a uphill from hell and got passed by a dude on singlespeed, now granted i was on my freerider, but the dude passed me like i was standing still, and i'm no springchicken either. i'm gonna have to give this biz a shot. are most of u guys setting these things up yourselves or having a shop do it? i've got an old cannondale f400 sitting around collecting dust anybody have any suggestions of how to go about this?
    You can do it yourself if you have a couple of basic tools. Check out the FAQ section in my earlier post and the websites I mention above.
    Take off all things shifty (unless you are using your derailleur as a tensioner). Shorten the chain. Presto. There are more detailed instructions are numerous threads here, including this one: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=105336

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    I've had 3 singles, all converted. It's great to have a bike you know is always gonna work. In the snow in the mud whatever it just works. I can actually climb more steep stuff on my converted Exile single than anything I've ridden. Do yourself a favor and don't bother with the squish in the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Well let me add my two cents in a non trolling way!

    First off I applaud you SS riders - takes alot more muscle than I have to power a ride to the top of a hill using a SS bike.

    I for one will never be a SS rider - the last SS bike I had was when I was a kid and the bike was a BMX bike. Didn't like it then sure as hell am sure I wouldn't like it now.

    I'm not sure why people refer to ghost shifting as I have never had a problem. But then again i run an 24 speed setup - 8 speed cassettes tend to not be as prone to ghost shifting as 9 speed cassettes. I've seen ghost shifting on a friends bike when he was using Shimano - it quit after he switched to SRAM.

    People here complaining about maintanence with a geared bike - seriously that made me laugh as a few bikes I own only need to be worked on once a year.

    There are a few things I don't allow when building a bike - I guess now SS will be on that list alongside road bike parts.

    After all - you guys ever heard of an professional renowed dowhill racer using a SS?

    And there ARE alternatives to geared bikes - internal transmissions for example!
    First of all, if you have a bicycle that only needs to be worked on once a year it is either a) not getting ridden that much or b) not getting ridden in very extreme terrain or conditions. I will tell you that here during the summer the geared bike doesn't need a whole lot of maintenance other than keeping the chain lubed as it is dry out. However, during the winter around here where there is a great deal of rain and the grit and grime works its way into all of your bike parts it is an incredible difference in the amount of maintenance between my rigid SS and my geared bike (Specialized Epic). On the Epic it is constant squeaky pivots and difficulties shifting at the end of a wet ride. I will admit that this is better with an 8 speed setup as it wasn't that long ago that I had one of those but it still required a lot more maintenance than my SS. Where are you riding that you don't have to do maintenance? I ride 3-4 days a week pretty much year round and I can't get away with this sort of maintenance schedule.

    As for the downhill racer question, I'm wondering why singlespeeders should care what downhill racers ride. I haven't heard of any NASCAR drivers riding singlespeeds so should I put my Surly on Ebay? Singlespeeders are cross-country riders for the most part and the cross country singlespeed scene is not short on pro-riders. Travis Brown has been absolutely dominating SSers all over and on the ladies side, Marla Streb (a national champion downhiller, by the way) has been extremely dominant including putting 8 minutes on the second place pro at the Sea Otter this year in the Women's pro SSer category. If you don't care to try SSing then that is no skin off of my back but the reasoning given in this post is pretty ridiculous to say the least. SSing isn't for everyone and no one will question you on that. However, to come into a SSer's forum and making ridiculous statements about pro downhillers to support geared bikes is just asking for someone to give you crap about it. Why don't you go into the Save Some Weight forum and tell them that sub-20 lb bikes are silly since Pro-Downhill bikes weigh 50 lbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burkeman
    Why don't you go into the Save Some Weight forum and tell them that sub-20 lb bikes are silly since Pro-Downhill bikes weigh 50 lbs?
    Funny you should say that, because he just posted on the 29er board that 29ers are dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Funny you should say that, because he just posted on the 29er board that 29ers are dumb.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...70629#poststop

    Nice social skills, hey?
    Too humorous. Sometimes unintentional comedy is absolutely the best kind. Now I think I'll go over to the women's riding forum and tell them that bikes are for guys.

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    because i hate him, i hate her and i hate you too...good day

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    Becuase when I get pissed at my bike and I throw it and stomp on it there are less parts to break....which saves me money and time, because when I destroy my bike, it makes me more angry and I tend to destroy other things that are around me becuase I think of how much it is going to cost to fix my bike, etc, etc....it is a vicious circle really.

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    We the people ... The Tao of Singlespeeding

    I can't believe no one posted this in this thread yet, it's... definitive.
    Kinda old, nevertheless... from Dirt Rag here is a snipit of The Tao of Singlespeeding by Corvus Corvax

    If you get this, then you should dump the gears and read the other 12 verses.

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    To ride one gear is natural.
    Sprints do not last all morning,
    Descents do not last all day.

    The follower of singlespeeding
    is at one with his bike.
    He who rides smoothly
    Experiences flow.
    He who loses the trail
    Becomes confused.
    When you are at one with your bike,
    The trail welcomes you.
    When you conserve your momentum,
    The flow is always there.
    When you are at one with pain,
    The pain is experienced willingly.

    He who does not get out of the saddle
    Will not make it to the top of the hill.




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    --> 'cause it's more interesting.
    --> 'cause it makes me a better rider.
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    Why singlespeed? Get your head outa my ass! For the love of god this topic is beat to death like your Mom's diaphram. I'll tell why I ride SS cuz I like sprocket tatoos, coffee, keepin it reel, UH, DH, looking for parking at the trailhead as well as pit toilets and spanking your dog. It's a stupid question, as is my answer. Think your lame? Well bucko I'm a lot lamer!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Chicken Bones
    Why singlespeed? Get your head outa my ass! For the love of god this topic is beat to death like your Mom's diaphram. I'll tell why I ride SS cuz I like sprocket tatoos, coffee, keepin it reel, UH, DH, looking for parking at the trailhead as well as pit toilets and spanking your dog. It's a stupid question, as is my answer. Think your lame? Well bucko I'm a lot lamer!!!
    Yes, As you said, you are lamer... Check the date of this question. It was asked March 1st and has had who knows how many answers. Apparently it's not as dead a topic as you might have thought. Apparenly as far as it being a stupid question as you so eloquently put it, it seems to have gotten a lot of good response so maybe it's not quite as stupid as your answer was. Come to think of if, why am I answering your stupid response anyway?? Oh yeah, I remember. I am in a bad mood and you gave me the perfect opportunity to stick it to someone. Thanks, I feel better now.

    Don't worry, I don't really blame you too much. Seems like we get newbies sometimes around here that aren't aware of etiquette on the forum. Either that or maybe it's just people like you who probably hop from forum to forum trolling.

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    Why single speed?

    Cuz you want a new riding experience, or because you are insecure and want people to tell you that you're "hardcore".
    Just my $.02.
    Your fear of looking stupid is holding you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    Cuz you want a new riding experience, or because you are insecure and want people to tell you that you're "hardcore".
    Just my $.02.
    Actually, what I am amazed at is that people actually care whether or not I ride a single speed.

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    So did you build that SS yet???!!! I'm gonna build up my C'dale hardtail this fall. Later....



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    Why singlespeed?

    cause it only cost me $50



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    where is the singlespeed faq PLEASE!!!

    Hey I'm just getting going with SS, and could use all the info I can get my hands on. You mentioned a Singlespeed faq? Where could I Download this? I search mtbr but no luck. Thanks, TImO


    Quote Originally Posted by screampint
    It's fun.

    The only way you will understand is to try it. If it's for you, then great, if not, at least you gave it a shot.

    Also, read the singlespeed FAQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    The way I seeit, going single speed is a lot like chopping a tree with an axe insead of a chain saw. Cheaper, lighter, less maintenance and it leaves you feeling like you accomplished more. Anyone can zip a fancy technology filled machine through the woods, but I prefer to use old fashioned elbow grease.

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    Because it [email protected] hurts, what more is there to be said?
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    Why not?!? Who even asks lol! Why Bicycle?

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    Good job!

    So iviguy, did you build up your SS yet?

    Here's my $0.03.

    I bought my FS about two years ago . Immediately some SS friends said I had to turn the old HT into an SS. Well, about the time you started asking the question, I bit the bullet.

    Now I have put as many or more miles on the SS this year compared to the FS (consider I race the FS......stay tuned.) My first time out I cleared a granite hill (Fence Hill) at Conyers Horse Park in GA that I had always struggled with. The only explanation was I didn't have a choice, and just attacked. Since then I've only missed the hill once on any bike when I tried a different line.

    The biggest benefit I have gotten from riding a SS is the education in picking lines. I am so much smoother on any bike than before I started riding a single gear. It will make you a stronger rider too.

    Be careful of the traps though! Just as someone pointed out earlier, I am now looking at SS specific built frames. Addictive Cycles in Braselton, GA is coming out with what looks to be a sweet one.

    Singlespeeed - It's pure, it's simple, it's addictive!

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    Of my four mtn bikes, only one is geared. That one, a '94 Jamis Dakota, was relieved of command as a mtn bike and reassigned to touring/commuting duty w/1.25" slicks, all road components (drop h/bars and bar-end shifters, etc.) and drivetrain, fenders and rack and probably will never leave the pavement again.

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    cause it only cost me $50


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    why singlespeed?

    You mean they make bikes with more than one gear? Why didn't I think of that!?

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    I recently converted my old Fisher Joshua F1 (with rear shock lockout) to singlespeed. Why? Because I can and because I grew tired of replacing derailures and drivetrains. After a stick removed half the derailure from my 05 Dawg Primo in the middle of a ride I converted the Fisher simply out of spite. I'll fix those sticks! My first ride was a group ride where I heard the words " If people keep getting those things the group will get even more spread out and there will be even more waiting". Guess what, there was a lot of waiting but, it was me waiting for them to catch up! A singlespeed forces you to use momentom, plan your attack before you get to a hill and simply ride faster. Try it! It's like learing to ride all over again and it's a blast. The most frustraiting part is following someone as they slowly noodle there way up a hill with you chomping at the bit to pass them.

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    Because...

    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    Why not?

    Single speeds are dumb. I had a single speed when I was 4. Someone said, "because their the new thing...mainstream". How dumb. Because everyone else is doing it...lets all run out and buy a bike that technology has left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kawboy8
    Single speeds are dumb. I had a single speed when I was 4. Someone said, "because their the new thing...mainstream". How dumb. Because everyone else is doing it...lets all run out and buy a bike that technology has left behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kawboy8
    Single speeds are dumb. I had a single speed when I was 4. Someone said, "because their the new thing...mainstream". How dumb. Because everyone else is doing it...lets all run out and buy a bike that technology has left behind.
    Your trolling is getting really tired. Go back to the women's lounge or better yet......find a new forum to waste your time with.

    How about some ride related content from ya?

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    i like singlespeed because it is dependable and really quiet. when you do a drop to flat (curb) with gears it clangs and sounds like you broke something. with singlespeed all you get it the sound of your tires hitting the ground, and maybe you'r fork compressing.
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    SSNoob epiphany

    I'm gonna beat a dead horse here but has anyone noticed that riding a singlespeed gets your ass in gear on the climbs? At least for me it does.

    I think the reason is that on a geared bike I can pick a comfortable gear combo and just mule it up the hills. I guess my way of trying to climb efficiently was really just lazy riding. Riding on my singlespeed, there are times when I am zoning out/getting lazy and then my bike gets my attention and my legs kick back into gear. I am spinning much better and climbing stronger since I threw a leg over my converted '99 steel frame Gary Fisher Aquila that was sitting quietly in a friends garage, waiting to be noticed again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

    Well, I think you're supposed to get a seperate bike for every cycling discipline...or is that just me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kawboy8
    Single speeds are dumb. I had a single speed when I was 4. Someone said, "because their the new thing...mainstream". How dumb. Because everyone else is doing it...lets all run out and buy a bike that technology has left behind.

    Mmmmm.......strong in this one, the force is not!

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    simple

    cause its simple, cause its fun, cause there is no derailer to break at 10 miles out, cause its all stronger, the hub is far more balanced making for superior wheel tension, the chains are tougher compare to the "dental floss" chains of 9/10 speed, cause its lighter and can be cheaper, cause you can! the list goes on.

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    Well, I actually took the time to read this and I am still wondering how normal people deal with tough climbs where SS ratios (even as low as 32:23) may not be enough. I have heard of elite riders manage the terrain I ride with 32:16,17,18, but they are elite riders! I am 43 years old and I am an average sport rider at best. I can manage the toughest climbs where I ride, but I find myself occasionally in ratios around 1:1.

    So how do you SSers deal with that? I have to believe that many of you are not elite riders and cannot possibly have the strength and stamina to clear real technical climbs in 32:16 or 32:18. Do you walk? Do you get frustrated with walking? Do you avoid some of the steeper, technical climbs? Be honest, please.

    Mind you I need no convincing to go SS. I already ordered an SS (back to basics with a rigid On One Inbred) and will give it a shot. I know I love out of saddle grunts, but I have my limits and I sometimes have to sit and spin to preserve myself. My rides are 2-4 hours, in the advanced/expert XC terrain.

    Anyway, there are 2 things that "bother" me regarding the SS.

    1) I hate getting off my bike. Maybe I have to change that attitude.
    2) I have never seen an SS bike on the trails I ride. That scares me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious
    Well, I actually took the time to read this and I am still wondering how normal people deal with tough climbs where SS ratios (even as low as 32:23) may not be enough. I have heard of elite riders manage the terrain I ride with 32:16,17,18, but they are elite riders! I am 43 years old and I am an average sport rider at best. I can manage the toughest climbs where I ride, but I find myself occasionally in ratios around 1:1.

    So how do you SSers deal with that? I have to believe that many of you are not elite riders and cannot possibly have the strength and stamina to clear real technical climbs in 32:16 or 32:18. Do you walk? Do you get frustrated with walking? Do you avoid some of the steeper, technical climbs? Be honest, please.

    Mind you I need no convincing to go SS. I already ordered an SS (back to basics with a rigid On One Inbred) and will give it a shot. I know I love out of saddle grunts, but I have my limits and I sometimes have to sit and spin to preserve myself. My rides are 2-4 hours, in the advanced/expert XC terrain.

    Anyway, there are 2 things that "bother" me regarding the SS.

    1) I hate getting off my bike. Maybe I have to change that attitude.
    2) I have never seen an SS bike on the trails I ride. That scares me.
    Most of my local terrain is on a gentle, gradual incline, but there are some steep climbs littered here and there. If you stick with your ss, you'll find yourself getting much stronger fairly quickly. At first some of those hills will seem impossible and you'll think you're having a heart attack, but the next time will be a little easier. You'll learn to use your back, your arms, your chest, your facial muscles. You'll use muscles that you thought had nothing to do with pedalling.

    It's not that I avoid steep, technical climbs. It's that I have a healthy respect and anxiety towards the harder ones that I'm uncertain I can climb. Right now you know that you can pretty much ride up everything local to you if you just shift down far enough, right? What if suddenly that certainty was gone? I've been nervous about several steeps around here until I was able to go try it. Some climbs I've put off until I felt as if I was ready. It gives me an uncertain goal for which to prepare. That's one thing I find so satisfying. One day you can barely make it up the base of a hill before you need to walk, then a few months later you're bounding over that hill and barely breathing hard. It's totally rewarding when you make it up a hill that you were certain would kill you.

    It's okay to start with a low gear ratio (2:1 or higher does not have to be the goal, although somehow people use it for bragging rights -- whatever) then increase as you strengthen. You're going to have to lose your hangups about walking though. Plan to walk a lot...at least at first.

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    Logs!

    I like the fact that when hopping over logs I don't scar them with my chainring. And the clearance is better too!
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    Thanks Nat, I am looking forward to the challenge. I will also leave my ego at the door and choose the ratios wisely (probably start in 32:20 and go from there).

    Too bad I may have to wait until next spring to take the SS on my normal trails. The SS bike arrives at the end of November and by that time I will probably be skiing already and all the mtb centers around here will be closed.
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    bike (1999) 6:69

    In case it's not already posted here -

    From Lama Ferrentino:

    "In the days when there was no difference between road and mountain biking, no such thing as a mountain bike and most roads lay unpaved, back when racers fixed their own damn bikes, and men were proud enough to wear knickers, bikes had but one gear. Then came the derailleur, launching a 60-year long game of technological one-upmanship that is showing absolutely no signs of relenting . . . The singlespeed is the purist-zen-layman-quad-bursting flag of surrender in the face of technology. . . Light, simple and surprisingly adept in hilly and tight spaces, the one-speed is probably the cheapest way to learn how to smile again. Even if the smile is a grimace of pain."

    Simply put, simple machines are more reliable. But like a lot of things, the experience has to be lived for a real understanding of the thing itself. I like a singlespeed because when I ride, I feel like I did when I was 12 years old riding a one-geared bike off jury-rigged wooden ramps in the bush of Northern Ontario. Back when air was something to breathe rather than get.
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    Good job! Ss-fs

    Had many SS bikes & makes you a fit rider. I converted my bike in 1996-97 & nobody had ever seen one at TSALI & NOC & were sceptical as hell.... Now it's very big SS is.
    Although i discovered DH & now Freeriding my Heckler, i am going to convert my HECKLER to SS ! Pics soon after conversion.
    At 33 yrs old you start thinking about fitness & just getting outdoors rather than hucking & dropping & ripping up berms---Especially without health insurance !!
    -- SINGLESPEED --
    1)Less cost .No dersilaers,pods,etc to replace every year or two.
    2)Quieter-you see alot more animals because you are stealthy.
    3)After chainline is perfectly set----- "no mechanicals with SS hardly"
    4)No upkeep at all compared to fully geared.= more time for other things !
    5) Your mind is FREE on the ride.No anticipating shifting -or- wondering if you'll get chainsuck or mud in the pulley's ,etc.
    6)SS riders are more CORE imo, & most do not shave thier legs-which i DO NOT. Also less time Sitting on the seat & spinning to death in that little gear. More upperbody workout on a SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious
    Well, I actually took the time to read this and I am still wondering how normal people deal with tough climbs where SS ratios (even as low as 32:23) may not be enough. I have heard of elite riders manage the terrain I ride with 32:16,17,18, but they are elite riders! I am 43 years old and I am an average sport rider at best. I can manage the toughest climbs where I ride, but I find myself occasionally in ratios around 1:1.

    So how do you SSers deal with that? I have to believe that many of you are not elite riders and cannot possibly have the strength and stamina to clear real technical climbs in 32:16 or 32:18. Do you walk? Do you get frustrated with walking? Do you avoid some of the steeper, technical climbs? Be honest, please.

    Mind you I need no convincing to go SS. I already ordered an SS (back to basics with a rigid On One Inbred) and will give it a shot. I know I love out of saddle grunts, but I have my limits and I sometimes have to sit and spin to preserve myself. My rides are 2-4 hours, in the advanced/expert XC terrain.

    Anyway, there are 2 things that "bother" me regarding the SS.

    1) I hate getting off my bike. Maybe I have to change that attitude.
    2) I have never seen an SS bike on the trails I ride. That scares me.



    reply:
    I like to get off & push up most hills or even run.It's more straighforward to do meaning just that. A really experienced geared climber may love the challenge of keeping his front wheel pointed up the hill & sitting his prostate gland on the tip of the saddle to keep his bike climbing..
    Now some mountainous trails around E.TN are extremely hard on anything & it would be impossible to climb on a SS & can push up the climb just as fast or faster than the climbers on the bikes.
    It's just a great simple biking experience.Less brain thought & more simplicity on a SS.
    My other .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by serious
    Thanks Nat, I am looking forward to the challenge. I will also leave my ego at the door and choose the ratios wisely (probably start in 32:20 and go from there).
    I am fairly new to this SS and was not in killer shape when I started it. I started out with 32:20, but now run 32:18 most of the time. I do plan on putting the 20 back on when the weather gets bad.

    I will admit, with my SS I walk more than I would have to with my gearie. I also HATE walking. I try very hard not to walk, but almost every ride I find myself walking sooner or later. The good news is that I walk on less hills than I have before. I too was very skeptical about riding SS. I heard about these guys back in 97 or so when I raced a lot. I figured they would just get off and run up the hill. Now that I do it, I can not believe some of the stuff I can climb.

    You will keep more momentum into the climb because the faster you go, the easier it is to go. On a gearie, I tend to slow down a little more and plan on the down shift.

    In my opinion, once you get to a certain sized hill it does not get any harder to climb. Now I am not saying it is easy, but I have found that once the hill is big enough I am going through the same motions with the same amount of energy needed for each stroke. The only hard part is to keep pedaling and the fitness to do so. With geared bikes the closer you get to the top, the harder it is to go and the slower you get. IMO. The more you climb the more you will be able to maintain the pedaling on a climb. You will need to pick up your lungs out of the front chain ring a few times, but it does get better.

    Just think about when you started riding on a geared bike. Not all of the hills were do able that you can do now. It takes some conditioning to do so and SSing takes different musles.

    Take all the free time you have from deciding what gear to be in or *****ing about the gear not changing, and look around the woods more as you pass through. It is amazing how much you will free up. I don't think I have ever finished a ride on my SS with out a smile on my face!!

    sorry so long

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    i ride single speed but only because i ride dirt jump and the way i have built my local trails means tht u dont have to pedal coz its on a downhill so instead of having to maintain a big cassette, and derailleur and all that i just went single speed (and i snapped my mech hanger and couldnt be bother fixin it that might have had something to do with it)i think it depends what sort of riding you do to whether you need a single speed r not sorry for stating the obvias

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    You SS guys are living it up. I just took my first ride on a SS after about 10 years of mt biking. I was sold at the first turn of the cranks. I hoped on my buddy's salsa juan solo 16" and it felt better than the trek i've been riding for 5 years. No shifting, no derailluers, just out of the saddle mashing up hills, dang it was fun. I gotta get one. Course his had some awesome hope mono mini's that work better than any brake i've ever tried. I tried to build one online and the price quickly shot above $2K, so I guess I will have to wait. But dang, i'm craving some more SS action, it's too much fun. Ride on.

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    Single or fixed, there really is no other way to enjoy cycling that's quite the same. If you don't get it, you don't get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    Have you ever heard the saying "to sharpen your saw"? It's kinda like that. if you would rather go through the extra energy of pushing a bigger gear up hills, instead of doing maintenance, spending more on parts, and worrying about your drive train failling, than you are a single speeder indeed. I myself would much rather suffer through the horrible consequences of putting more effort into my mountain biking than dealing with the above problems. I am lazy in that sense, and damn proud of it.

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    Hey, I got my SS specific bike!!!

    Some friends of mine named Scott Hodge and Grant Lockwood at Addictive Cycles in Braselton, GA designed their own bike. They called it the Addictive OD-1 (keep in mind it's an addiction and you can overdose). It does have a place for a hanger if your not ready for the pure fix just yet.

    They still have a few left. More in be found at Addictive Cycles OD-1.

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    simplicity no gears

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.
    It is good discipline. It works by momentum. Alot of people ride fixed gears no brakes, it is not superior just another way of riding. Singlespeed requires superior discipline and a challenge. No cables no shifters no derailers. Clean. Simplistic form of cycling which requires very low maintainance on the bike.
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    As briefly as possible

    Freedom from choice.

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    My thoughts on the subject

    I ride a rigid singlespeed so that technology will stop making up for my mistakes.Its just me and my bike.Ask a very good car driver if he likes ABS, traction control, computerised suspension or engine enhancements or whatever other modern technology that takes away from the true experience of driving.I bet that most would say no and i feel that way about my bike.Just me and a stripped down rigid singlespeed.No excuses....

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    I dig that reason, Obsessive!

    I ride SS because I love hernias and prolapsed rectums.

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