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    where can i get a frame + fork that meet the following criteria?

    I'm having a really hard time getting a hold of a frame. the kona unit seems to be sold out in my size and they arent making more as far as the guy at kona knew. Johnny rotten has a ton of upcharges on their frame and has a very slow delivery time estimate....i dont know many other manuf's to try.

    i want a frame + rigid fork for my 6 foot tall person and that can handle my 165lb weight.
    i want a frame + rigid fork that doesnt cost over 1000.
    i want it to be disc compatible.
    i dont want a frame that weighs a ton...
    i want a delivery estimate of 4 weeks or less. Vulture has confirmed 4 weeks but it's rather expensive and i'm holding out to see what else there is...

    is that impossible? it seems like it shouldn't be to me...

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    call The Path

    www.thepathbikeshop.com

    Last time I was in there they had a 20" unit built and at least one, if not more, 20" explosif frames. I'm 6'1", 34" inseam and the 20" fit me like a glove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    Vulture has confirmed 4 weeks but it's rather expensive and i'm holding out to see what else there is
    If you consider Vulture expensive...then I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of your Christmas list! 4 weeks and less than $900 for a FULL CUSTOM ss w/ EBB i an absolute steal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    If you consider Vulture expensive...then I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of your Christmas list! 4 weeks and less than $900 for a FULL CUSTOM ss w/ EBB i an absolute steal!
    When you consider the Unit is ~500 for frame and fork and the vulture is 850 + another 150-250 for a fork there's a slight difference if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    When you consider the Unit is ~500 for frame and fork and the vulture is 850 + another 150-250 for a fork there's a slight difference if you ask me.
    yes, there is a difference. not only in price, but also in the quality/accuracy of the product you are receiving. if the only factor in purchasing a new frame is price, this discussion is moot. but if we're discussing getting the most for your money..having a frame designed around you for $300 more instead of having you fit a one size fits most frame seems like a wonderful cost/benefit upgrade. not to mention the ebb instead of those 4 bolts.

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    Try Kona direct

    Try www.konaworld.com. Unit/Explosif at 449. Email them for stock.
    Teasdale EBB at 675. Good stuff.

    Lots of stuff out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    When you consider the Unit is ~500 for frame and fork and the vulture is 850 + another 150-250 for a fork there's a slight difference if you ask me.

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    padre you are right...

    Quote Originally Posted by roadiegonebad
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    i'll probably end up doing that. i'm just leary about the small manuf. stories of ridiculous long waits for frames. he TELLS me 4 weeks but who knows...hollywood had to wait almost a half year for his frame. that simply isnt an option for me. with the pre-built deals i can have it at my door in a week or less even.

    and the reason i said less than a grand is because i know i could call up independent and get a frame cranked out fast but i dont even want to know they charge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadiegonebad
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    what is k m? please give me more info...

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    Well, I've got a Med. (18") Surly 1x1, come in at a hair over 6' and 155#. It meets all your criteria and it's not that heavy. Should not have a problem finding one in stock and the money you save can be spent on light weight bits if you are worried about counting grams.
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    what is teasdale?

    Quote Originally Posted by steelbike
    Try www.konaworld.com. Unit/Explosif at 449. Email them for stock.
    Teasdale EBB at 675. Good stuff.

    Lots of stuff out there.
    nothing comes up in searches...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    i'll probably end up doing that. i'm just leary about the small manuf. stories of ridiculous long waits for frames. he TELLS me 4 weeks but who knows...hollywood had to wait almost a half year for his frame. that simply isnt an option for me. with the pre-built deals i can have it at my door in a week or less even.

    and the reason i said less than a grand is because i know i could call up independent and get a frame cranked out fast but i dont even want to know they charge...
    i know your worries. i've been waiting on a surfboard since last april. but, wade @ vulture is not like the others. he's got a great track record. i got my frame in 5 weeks as promise. hefty'n'oc just got his new vulture in 6 weeks as promised as well.
    wade delivers....and for hundreds less than the "other guys."

    all i know is, i have one Vulture, and we're getting ready to pull the trigger on another for the wife... that's a good sign right?

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    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by riderx
    Well, I've got a Med. (18") Surly 1x1, come in at a hair over 6' and 155#. It meets all your criteria and it's not that heavy. Should not have a problem finding one in stock and the money you save can be spent on light weight bits if you are worried about counting grams.
    that is rather convincing

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    k.m = karate monkey.

    What parts are you putting on the bike? I just built up a 1x1 thats pretty light. What kind of ending weight are you looking at..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    nothing comes up in searches...
    Actually its Teesdale. Tom makes some really nice frames.

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    this is what i'm putting on it:

    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_biker
    k.m = karate monkey.

    What parts are you putting on the bike? I just built up a 1x1 thats pretty light. What kind of ending weight are you looking at..
    velocity vxc rims with american classic disc lite hubs -- oddsandendos.com build..
    king headset
    easton monkey carbon dh riser bar
    thomson stem
    oury grips
    magura marta sl disc brakes
    big tires that i havent decided on yet...
    xtr 952 crankset with SPOT's 34 custom chainring
    boone ti rear cog with ti spacers
    easton carbon seatpost
    wtb rocket V stealth saddle

    as you can see all my parts are high end and very light thus my concern on the frame's weight...if i had the time i'd get a custom frame but for now i just want to sample SS thus the limited time frame...surly seems good. where do you order one? going to check out teesdale now..

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    go custom

    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    velocity vxc rims with american classic disc lite hubs -- oddsandendos.com build..
    king headset
    easton monkey carbon dh riser bar
    thomson stem
    oury grips
    magura marta sl disc brakes
    big tires that i havent decided on yet...
    xtr 952 crankset with SPOT's 34 custom chainring
    boone ti rear cog with ti spacers
    easton carbon seatpost
    wtb rocket V stealth saddle

    as you can see all my parts are high end and very light thus my concern on the frame's weight...if i had the time i'd get a custom frame but for now i just want to sample SS thus the limited time frame...surly seems good. where do you order one? going to check out teesdale now..
    that's a top end build. go custom. buy the best and only cry once. just be sure not to borrow any money to do it.
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    Surly's are in the qbp(quality bike parts) book as well. I would think any bike shop could order it as i think at least 90% of bike shops have the quality catalog..

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    Don't overlook giving Steve Stickel a call. He does top notch work and may be within your price range. He is on this board under the name of D.F.L. You would not be disappointed with his work.
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    dont ignore on-one!

    the inbred does what you need. not sure on the size though.

    www.on-one.co.uk

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    Teesdale SS

    Anybody have one of these frames? Looks sweet and the price is right.

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    teesdale pricing

    Quote Originally Posted by Zenfrog
    Anybody have one of these frames? Looks sweet and the price is right.
    i checked out his site...looks like a great builder. i didnt see any pricing of 675 though. for reynolds steel most everything i saw was around 900 and up and only slightly cheaper for columbus. i suppose i'll call though to confirm before ruling them out.

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    Like my On-One also check..

    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    I'm having a really hard time getting a hold of a frame. the kona unit seems to be sold out in my size and they arent making more as far as the guy at kona knew. Johnny rotten has a ton of upcharges on their frame and has a very slow delivery time estimate....i dont know many other manuf's to try.

    i want a frame + rigid fork for my 6 foot tall person and that can handle my 165lb weight.
    i want a frame + rigid fork that doesnt cost over 1000.
    i want it to be disc compatible.
    i dont want a frame that weighs a ton...
    i want a delivery estimate of 4 weeks or less. Vulture has confirmed 4 weeks but it's rather expensive and i'm holding out to see what else there is...

    is that impossible? it seems like it shouldn't be to me...
    Spicer. Think they come in around $600-700. The On-One is a fun bike. Great for the price too. I have the v-brake set up, but they make a ebb disc. There you go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowSSer
    dont ignore on-one!

    the inbred does what you need. not sure on the size though.

    www.on-one.co.uk
    on-one looks like it's good but due to the conversion rate of the dollar i think it will cost quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    on-one looks like it's good but due to the conversion rate of the dollar i think it will cost quite a bit.

    i think it'll come out to in between 500 and 600.

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    500

    Quote Originally Posted by SlowSSer
    i think it'll come out to in between 500 and 600.
    yep, 500...found it on their site. the 18" ebb is out of stock unfortunately although i havent emailed them yet to see when it's coming in...isnt the surly around 500? SPOT also has a frame i could get but i dont know anything about them. thanks for the help!@ i'm getting a lot of leads to dig through this evening when i get home and can focus better on some emails to the companies!

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    we have the 18 inch unit frame

    The Path bike shop has the Kona Unit frame in stock in all sizes. It is a nice OX Platinum tubeset. The frame is $430. The rigid Kona project two fork is $60. 714-669-0784.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    I'm having a really hard time getting a hold of a frame. the kona unit seems to be sold out in my size and they arent making more as far as the guy at kona knew. Johnny rotten has a ton of upcharges on their frame and has a very slow delivery time estimate....i dont know many other manuf's to try.

    i want a frame + rigid fork for my 6 foot tall person and that can handle my 165lb weight.
    i want a frame + rigid fork that doesnt cost over 1000.
    i want it to be disc compatible.
    i dont want a frame that weighs a ton...
    i want a delivery estimate of 4 weeks or less. Vulture has confirmed 4 weeks but it's rather expensive and i'm holding out to see what else there is...

    is that impossible? it seems like it shouldn't be to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    yep, 500...found it on their site. the 18" ebb is out of stock unfortunately although i havent emailed them yet to see when it's coming in...isnt the surly around 500? SPOT also has a frame i could get but i dont know anything about them. thanks for the help!@ i'm getting a lot of leads to dig through this evening when i get home and can focus better on some emails to the companies!
    dont know about spot? hmm. they make sweet SS frames. nothing else to know- oh their chainrings and wool clothing are also rather nice.

    good people!

    Brant at on-one is usually pretty quick at getting back on emails even with the time difference.

    then again, Tani (thephat) also is a great person to work with- give him a ring!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    i checked out his site...looks like a great builder. i didnt see any pricing of 675 though. for reynolds steel most everything i saw was around 900 and up and only slightly cheaper for columbus. i suppose i'll call though to confirm before ruling them out.
    look at the http://www.tetcycles.com/Specials/specials.html or under specials.

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    Fuzzy Logic....

    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    velocity vxc rims with american classic disc lite hubs -- oddsandendos.com build..
    king headset
    easton monkey carbon dh riser bar
    thomson stem
    oury grips
    magura marta sl disc brakes
    big tires that i havent decided on yet...
    xtr 952 crankset with SPOT's 34 custom chainring
    boone ti rear cog with ti spacers
    easton carbon seatpost
    wtb rocket V stealth saddle

    as you can see all my parts are high end and very light thus my concern on the frame's weight...if i had the time i'd get a custom frame but for now i just want to sample SS thus the limited time frame...surly seems good. where do you order one? going to check out teesdale now..
    You want a medium to low end frame with high end parts? There are a number of options available to you, but it seems to me that you're approach is backwards. Why not jsut buy a stock Surly, either a 1x1 (26") or Karate Monkey (29") and determine if you like SSing? If you don't, you'll be able to sell the bike at a fair value and you won't be out a bunch of chi-chi parts.

    If you like SSing, then you can sell the bike once you've order and received your super high zoot custom rig. I'm a big fan of Retrotecs: http://www.ingliscycles.com/retrotec/index.html for some reason.

    Hope this helps.

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    you already have a post

    that may further limit your choices, no?

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    no no..

    Quote Originally Posted by roadiegonebad
    that may further limit your choices, no?
    I have almost all those parts listed already other than the post and handlebars. they are just being transferred from a different bike.

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    on one

    I contacted Brant a few days ago about a disk ebb ss. he said

    "We've discontinued this frame (in steel) to be replaced by a sliding
    dropout frame coming in a few months."

    I asked him why and he said:

    "no problems with EBB system, except cost, weight, possibly
    creaking, dealing with Bushnell in the USA and our builders in
    taiwan..."

    what ever its worth

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    thats right.

    we've got 20in ones, but no 18s or 16s.

    sliding dropout frames in 2-3-4months depending on how fast I get my **** together.

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    and 20in EBB frames are, go on then, 299, with 25 shipping to the US.

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    You didn't mention of you prfer steel, Ti, Al...

    ...or if an EBB is a requirement. Since that's the case you might want to consider a variety of inexpensive but really good frames. Although a custom frame can be nice, especially if you have an odd body type, you can certainly find a great/perfect fitting frame off the rack as long as you're willing to shop around and try on a bunch of different ones and be willing to tweak a few variables like stem length/angles, seatpost length/offsets, and bar configuration.

    Here's a few that meet your criteria:

    1. Santa Cruz Chameleon - Light, super strong/bullet proof and flickable, with horizontal dropouts and disc ready. $450! Plus it can be converted back to a gearie bike if you prefer, it comes with cable guides and a removable derailleur hangar. Alum frame, but is said to have an amazingly forgiving ride (probably mostly due to its long seatpost). I'm thinking hard about getting one of these myself.

    2. Bianchi SASS - Steel frame, so a little heavier, but based on an old SS classic. There have been some durability issues with Bianchi steel frames last year, but not everyone has experienced these problems and there is a 5 year warranty. Plus they are super cheap, shop around and you can find a whole brand new bike (with decent components) for as cheap as $700.

    3. The new Redline SS Aluminum frame bike is supposed ot be really nice and really inexpensive (frame well under $500 if memory serves). It comes disc ready and can be built up super light. I think the largest frame size they offer is a 19", otherwise I would consider getting this one myself (Im a bit over 6'1").

    4. A Surly 1x1 is an awesome bike. It is steel so a little heavier, but they are not as heavy as many make them out to be. You can get a frame and fork together for well under $500....that saves you nearly another $500 to spend on a schweet set of wheels and maybe some other lightweight goodies. With good components these bike's weight can get well into the low 20's no prob. Plus you'll have that awesome steel bike ride...what's not to like?

    Good luck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy-Stardust
    4. A Surly 1x1 is an awesome bike. It is steel so a little heavier, but they are not as heavy as many make them out to be. You can get a frame and fork together for well under $500....that saves you nearly another $500 to spend on a schweet set of wheels and maybe some other lightweight goodies. With good components these bike's weight can get well into the low 20's no prob. Plus you'll have that awesome steel bike ride...what's not to like?
    Plus you can get a pink 1x1! Get to your LBS and get them on the phone to QBP.
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