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    What puts a rigid, ss out of commission?

    Answer: headset.

    Well, for me, at least. The last few rides, I havent been able to keep my headset tight. It is really loose..DANGEROUSLY loose.

    It is the stock headset on the 2009 Xcal (Cane Creek Aheadset, zerostack). I have had the bike rigid since the spring.

    Question: is it worth taking to a shop to have it looked at or should I just order a new headset and upgrade to something that might take a beating? I havent known of anyone saying rigid destroyed their headset...

    I am home sick today and Jenson is about to get a lot of my money...

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    to answer your question - i broke a cone on a climb...that wound down slowly and crushed my bearings in the rear wheel...effectively seizing it

    had to carry bike for a few miles back to car..

    as far as a headset - have you been riding with a loose one for a while...is your HT ovalized (hope not)?

    i'd have a shop look at it - if it needs replacing buy a headset there

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    Are you over tightening it, pulling the star-nut "out" and actually loosening it when you are trying to tighten it?:

    I think CHUM is right though, unless you have calipers to measure o.d., and i.d., and feel comfortable pulling the old one to measure and pressing in a new one, you should go to the shop.

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    Hey I have a similar issue with the headset on my rigid ss. But the solution for me and my bike is facing my headtube. I'm getting a new headset anyway. But another thing that gets a rigid ss out of comission is a broken freehub body I'm putting my new freehub in this week

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    I have been down this road before. My issue was that the stem was moving on the steer tube. The solution was to clean the steer tube and the inside of the stem really well with alcohol or an equivalent solvent. Then re install and torque the bolts equally to spec.

    I had one rigid setup that I could not make work no matter how clean the parts were. The solution was to put a little loctite between the stem and the steer tube. Worked like a champ.
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    My rigid has destroyed my pos sunline headset. It takes constant maintenence or it indexes, grinds, and clicks + pops. Time for a Chris King or a Cane Creek 110.
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    I have a CK; I have no problems. Hehe. Loose headsets suck though. I just had my Bianchi Pista looked at for this reason. The fork was stripped and the headset was thrashed. Ended up trading the cost of shipping the wheelset to Raleigh for the frame.
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    4 days of straight rain has put my ss out of commission.
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    slow shipping of parts made one of my ss out of commission.
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    OP definitely needs to get a shop to look at it. Don't waste money on a new headset unless you know the head tube is reemed and faced.
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    Sounds like the star nut to me.
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    I ride a properly faced Monocog with a Surly fork and a Chris Kind headset. it's flawless. adjusting the headset should not be difficult, but if it keeps coming loose, get it checked out.

    are you sure you have enough spacers under your stem?

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    Check also that there's enough clearance under the top cap (where the bolt goes through) to the top of the fork.

    If there's not enough clearance, the cap bottoms on the top of the fork, and no amount of tightening will help. As others have said, what usually happens is the star nut begins to back out.

    I'm speaking from experience here....

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    What everyone else said + take your stem bolts out and clean/grease the threads & base of the heads before re-installing. It will make your torque wrench reading more accurate.
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    My current King hs has been strange compared to all others I have had in the past (about 5 or 6 on different bikes). This one has installed the same and worked great only to start making some creaking noises while riding. I then found that it somehow got tighter and even the steering was slower. I then loosened it up a tad, got the steering back to the way it should be w/out any looseness/play and all was good. Then it seemed like it got looser. So I tightened it slightly only to have it seem to tighten up on me again????? Not sure wth is going on with this damn thing. The one I took off did not do that at all!

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    SS well out of service, owner has caught the deadly Man-Cold... bike has not turned a wheel in 10 days.

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    Somehow, I managed to strip the BB shell threads on a SS bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea138 View Post
    What everyone else said + take your stem bolts out and clean/grease the threads & base of the heads before re-installing. It will make your torque wrench reading more accurate.
    subtract 10% to torque specs when ya do that...

    edit: GACK! i meant subtract not add...my bad
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    Really? Never done that before & haven't had problems. Not saying you're wrong. I'm just a n00b.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea138 View Post
    Really? Never done that before & haven't had problems. Not saying you're wrong. I'm just a n00b.
    Not really. They come up with torque specs based on size, material and thread pitch with clean, lubed threads. There is no way for them to account for how grungy or not you threads are to come up with the spec otherwise.

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    Dear Perttime: You sir/ madame are simply that cock- diesel that you can strip external BB's. one would be tempted to say gorilla; Silverback even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea138 View Post
    Really? Never done that before & haven't had problems. Not saying you're wrong. I'm just a n00b.
    I was totally WRONG - subtract 10% (not add)...ugh

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    Not really. They come up with torque specs based on size, material and thread pitch with clean, lubed threads. There is no way for them to account for how grungy or not you threads are to come up with the spec otherwise.
    i got the tip from this dude:
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    For me, the first thing to go on any SS is the bottom bracket. Either I'm particularly hard on them to begin with, riding SS adds more stress than a geared setup (just speculation--I have no proof of this), or I've just had a bit of bad luck.

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    The rider as he has ridden his rigid ss far far too much and is so tired that he is going to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    My rigid has destroyed my pos sunline headset. It takes constant maintenence or it indexes, grinds, and clicks + pops. Time for a Chris King or a Cane Creek 110.
    I'm using a Sunline V2, and haven't had any issues yet. How long did it take for yours to show up?

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    "BEER"...

    ... and a lot of it will put a rigid ss out of commission!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    "BEER"...

    ... and a lot of it will put a rigid ss out of commission!
    +REP.... i dont have a problem ok .
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    The rigid SS, like any really cool toy, mostly gets put out of commision by the arrival of the next more really even cooler toy.
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    I was descending Dead Woman Hollow at Michaux, not much spinning of the cranks as Dead Woman is a fast downhill stretch of dirt forest service road so a single speed ridged is spun out most of the way. I noticed at one point that things were very, very, quite. I spin an I9 rear hub so things are never very, very, quite when freewheeling. Now did it dawn on me to wonder why things were so quite. No! Not until I reached a section that required me to pedal did I also realize that for pedaling to actually work it requires one to have a chain.

    I walked all the way back to the top of Dead Woman then back to my bike and never found that chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    The rigid SS, like any really cool toy, mostly gets put out of commision by the arrival of the next more really even cooler toy.

    Except there's nothing cooler than a rigid SS.
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    Riding a habitually loosening headset and not fixing it or finding out why it is coming loose on your rigid sled can lead to a cracked head tube. It KIA'd my bianchi that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Except there's nothing cooler than a rigid SS.
    They are the Buzz Lightyear of the bike world
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    I say woody not buzz.

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    This morning, a broken tensioner put my rigid SS into a bad place! Monocog and me were late for work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    "BEER"...

    ... and a lot of it will put a rigid ss out of commission!
    Nah, just makes me piss on your dog and screw your wife. Unless I'm really bad, then I piss on your wife and screw your dog......There's usually police involved, too.

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    I should add that normally the bike is working pretty well. What puts my SS out of commission is normally my wife and kids! I swear they can ruin a wet dream!

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    Problem fixed! As it turns out, I had the bearing cups switched. Once I flipped them around, the headset snugged up. I rode the hell out of it yesterday and no loose headset.

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    Fortunately, my King has the word "King" printed on it to help ensure that doesn't happen.

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    WTF! Sorry man! That sucks. Can I have your headset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1SPD View Post
    WTF! Sorry man! That sucks. Can I have your headset?
    Warranty replacement, so all's good.
    The new frame has a beefy gusset that's for "suspension fork knob clearance." Sure.
    Headset's being put to good use.
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    Glad to hear you got it taken care of!!! No worries, I already have a red King hs anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    I'm using a Sunline V2, and haven't had any issues yet. How long did it take for yours to show up?
    I have been riding hard on it for about 8 months but it came in the frame i bought second hand. So I dont know how hard or long it had been ridden before i owned it.

    Sorry about the late reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
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    Is that a Soma Juice frame?

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    it isnt the headset it is the stem.. go to a dh or dirt jump stem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    I have been riding hard on it for about 8 months but it came in the frame i bought second hand. So I dont know how hard or long it had been ridden before i owned it.

    Sorry about the late reply.

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    I just saw that you had replied.. so I guess this will be a late reply too.

    I've had my V2 on my Canfield for over a season now, and it's running strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0mb3r View Post
    4 days of straight rain has put my ss out of commission.
    Wait, I thought the whole point of SS was that it can't be limited by foul weather... Oh, and my headset decided it wanted to start creaking suddenly yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    Wait, I thought the whole point of SS was that it can't be limited by foul weather... Oh, and my headset decided it wanted to start creaking suddenly yesterday.
    true but you don't want to be the a-hole who goes and destroys the trails.
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    my legs and lungs keep mine out of commission...

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