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    What bike models are missing from MTBR SS Reviews Section?

    Hey All,

    With the help of Cloxxki, I have spent some time this week building and populating a new 29" category in the Product Reviews section:

    http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/29er/

    After taking a look, it seems that our listings for Singlespeed bikes is a little anemic in comparison:

    http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/singlespeed/

    Now, it's been explained to me that a lot of SSs are conversions or "frankenbikes"....but I'm sure that there must be some actual SS models that we are missing....(probably lots.)

    Please help me, by posting your suggestions here or by email and let me know what models are missing.

    [email protected] (remove the NOSPAM, and please put "SS" somewhere in the subject line)

    Thanks for your help.

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    The On-One Inbred really needs to be in there, I am sure that there are others...
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    Gt and Jamis now have singlespeeds in theit line up as well. The one -one bikes should really be there and Spot is a rather obvious omition.

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    Haven't seen a review for a Brodie Unibomber or Kona A'Ha (that might fall under cruisers/road bikes, though).

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    Brand: Santa Cruz
    Model: Chameleon
    Website: http://www.santacruzbikes.com/chameleon/
    Price: $450

    Brand: Jericho
    Model: Leadfoot
    Website: NA
    Cost: $1000

    There are a lot more missing but many of them come from custom/semi-custom builders, such as IF, Kelly, and/or Hunter.
    Why not check the "post your single speed" link and include most of those (frankenbikes not included)- http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=94113 (in case you needed it ).
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    Please when you do submit a product :
    -Brand
    -Model
    -homepage
    -If you have it : MSRP

    Like :
    IRO
    Mia !
    www.irocycle.com
    $279
    frameset incl fork

    Custom frame reviews are IMO useless, as everyone will give theirs 5 chillies :-)

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    Some omissions

    Not sure if you want just complete bikes or framesets but here's some details on models which should be there:
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    Brand: On-One
    Model: Inbred
    URL: http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?mo...N_position=8:8
    Price: 225 GBP


    Brand: GT
    Model: Ruckus
    URL: http://www.gtbikes.com/mountain/cata...usa&brand=moun
    Price: $649.99


    Brand: Surly
    Model: 1x1
    URL: http://www.surlybikes.com/1X1.html
    Price: $425


    Brand: Giant
    Model: Two2One XTC
    URL: http://www.giantbicycles.com/us/035....sp?model=11227
    Price: $450


    Brand: Soma Fabrications
    Model: 4one5
    URL: http://www.somafab.com/4one5.html
    Price: $419

    Brand: Fetish Cycles
    Model: Fixation
    URL: http://www.fetishcycles.com/Fixation.html
    Price: $699.99


    Brand: Bianchi
    Model: W.U.S.S.
    URL: http://www.bianchiusa.com/06_wuss.html
    Price: $1339.99
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    Gregg, clear up some of your pm's!!

    In case you didn't receive the message..."Ok, Surly is mentioned by KHill, I also see Sycip up there, lets not forget: Strong, Steelman, or Phil Wood, the custom guys deserve some press too.
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    Custom

    Quote Originally Posted by obi.one.speed.only
    In case you didn't receive the message..."Ok, Surly is mentioned by KHill, I also see Sycip up there, lets not forget: Strong, Steelman, or Phil Wood, the custom guys deserve some press too.
    I tend to agree with Cloxxki on custom framebuilders. Reviews are kind of a waste since everybody should love a custom frame (and if you don't, it's your fault for ordering the wrong thing). Since we're rating frames and bikes, custom doesn't make much sense.

    If we're talking about the frame ordering/building/buying process for custom builders, I could see some value in those reviews. However, I think that should be a separate framebuilder review area and not lumped in with the product reviews.

    Just my $.02. If we do include custom frames, there's a whole bunch more to add.
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    Some others to add

    Brand: Dekerf
    Model: Solitaire
    URL: http://www.dekerf.com/solitaire.php
    Price: ???


    Brand: Gunnar
    Model: Ruffian
    URL: http://www.gunnarbikes.com/ruffian.php
    Price: $925


    Brand: Brew
    Model: Beaver Creek
    URL: http://www.brewracingframes.com/id24.htm
    Price: $599


    Brand: Vicious Cycles
    Model: Monolith
    URL: http://www.viciouscycles.com/frames-monolith.php3
    Price:$1100

    If we do include custom, we also can add models from IF, Seven, Vulture, etc.

    There's a bunch of links here: http://www.vmunix.com/~gabor/singlespeed/links.html
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    can I blow my own trumpet?

    Brand: Solitude Cycles
    Model: Only do one
    URL: www.solitudecycles.com
    MSRP: 600GBP starting, prices will vary with spec

    Only downer is that I can't sell frames outside the UK/Europe due to insurance cover
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    Thanks for all the good suggestions, guys. I have added a bunch more to the SS section this morning.

    Good idea on the format, Cloxxki, and thanks khill for following it. It DOES help me a lot. In fact all of your first suggestions are already listed! I'll keep watching this thread and the emails for more good suggestions.

    To be continued...

    -gregg

    (I hear you about the custom builders, but I wouldn't say that reviews for them are totally without merit. If I was ordering a custom frame, I would definitely want to hear what the other customers have to say. For me, it's a matter of resources, since there are SO MANY custom builders out there.)

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    Brand: Niner
    Model: One 9
    Website: http://ninerbikes.com/one9.html
    Price: $750

    Brand: Niner
    Model: s.i.r. 9
    Website: http://ninerbikes.com/sir9.html
    Price: $750

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    Both were listed already :-)

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    Since it appears like Gregg ignored Cloxxi

    Brand: IRO
    Model: Mia !
    Website: www.irocycle.com
    Price: $279 frameset incl fork

    Brand: IRO
    Model: Hidhlander
    Website: www.irocycle.com
    Price: $179 framset incl fork

    And
    Brand: Soul Cycles
    Model: Hooligan
    Website: www.ridesoul.com
    Price: ????

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    Pugsley?

    another Slury...

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    And another...

    2005 Bianchi G.U.S.S. is missing. Thanks!

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    Kelly Deluxe et al

    Brand: Kelly
    Model: Deluxe
    Website: http://www.kellybike.com/2nd_mountain2.html
    Cost: $1099 frame only (I got mine eBay for much less)

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    is the intent to have all single speeds in the single speed section or are all 29ers, regardless of whether they are single speed or not, intended to go in the 29er section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg
    (I hear you about the custom builders, but I wouldn't say that reviews for them are totally without merit. If I was ordering a custom frame, I would definitely want to hear what the other customers have to say. For me, it's a matter of resources, since there are SO MANY custom builders out there.)
    Gregg, why not add a custom builder review section, since most builders do different styles of bikes. Then we can go there to get input on people's experiences, customer service, prices, etc, regardless of what it was that you bought from the builder.
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    I wonder abut custom builders and reviews. It seems to me, that apart from maybe Jericho and Dean, they all get outstanding customer service reviews, and all make a killer product. In terms of fit, people always seem 100% happy with their new custom bike, even if the picture of it tells the trained eye it was ordered or setup incorrectly. a hall of shame should suffice to keep people clear of a bad experience. I doubt a hall of shame would be MTBR's style though, but it would be mine.

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    Hold thy tongue! One hall of shame, coming up!

    http://www.mtbr.com/shame/shame.shtml

    And we even have a hall of fame:

    http://www.mtbr.com/fame/fame.shtml

    These are two lesser known pages on our site, but they have been around FOREVER! (Iink is at the top of the reviews index page: www.mtbr.com/reviews/ ) And yeah, it'a little outdated and ugly, but it's there. It sucks having the older stuff show up at the top. More useful, I think, is to go to the category you are interested, and click on the "sort-by rating" link.

    Thanks for the added models, I'll continue to add products for S.S. and 29" later this week.

    The intent is to have anything that is a 29" listed in that category. If it is a SS 29", then it will go in to the 29" category. I don't want to have 1 product listed in two places, and I think most people interested in a SS 29" will know to look in 29".

    I'll leave the feedback on the custom builders forum/feedback section open ended for now. It's always tricky when you try and do ratings on Customer Service. And personally, I think the problem with custom builders and not getting much feedback from reviews on them, is even worse when you look at a high dollar custom/boutique brand. Few people are willing to blow a wad of change on a purchase and then say, "Wow, I made a poor choice." And on the other end, reviews that are nothing but a pure "Rave Review" can offer little, too, if the review contains little substance (and doesn't contain at least one nitpick.)

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    -Brand: Steelman
    -Model: Manzanita
    -homepage: http://www.steelmancycles.com/manzanita.html
    -MSRP: $1150? (not positive on this)

    I know Steelman is considered a custom builder, but Brent does have stock sizes that are considerably cheaper than a full custom (and I gotta pimp my man when the chance arises ) . He welds on the rear dropouts after you order the bike, so in effect he does have stock single speeds available. He also makes rigid forks.

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    And, while we are at it, updating the reviews to reflect the growing influence of singlespeeding, how about a new section of the components department for freewheels and singlespeed cogs? I think that there may be enough of them on the market now (Surly, Endless, King, Novatec, Shimano, Gusset)

    Or you could include them under the cassette section.

    Just a thought.

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    though I am sure you are aware....there is at least one bike in both the 29er and single speed section which of course may not the best way to do it (eg, Rig)

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    Both IRO website and Soul Cycles websites are down right now, I cannot get any information from them.

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    Okay, thanks for the further suggestions. I have added some more models today (Dekerf, Brew, Solitude, Vicious, Kelly, Steelman...) and migrated a couple of models into the SS reviews.

    And thanks for the reviews, I have noticed a few SS and 29" reviews rolling in over the past few days. We appreciate it, it helps make MTBR a better resource.

    I am going to unstick this thread, but feel free to add suggestions here any time.

    Thx.

    -g

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    Quote Originally Posted by khill
    If we do include custom, we also can add models from IF, Seven, Vulture, etc.
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    Brand: Kona
    Model: A
    Website: not shown on Kona website: konaworld.com
    Cost: $899 frame with Fox RP3 shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    I wonder abut custom builders and reviews. It seems to me, that apart from maybe Jericho and Dean, they all get outstanding customer service reviews, and all make a killer product. In terms of fit, people always seem 100% happy with their new custom bike, even if the picture of it tells the trained eye it was ordered or setup incorrectly. a hall of shame should suffice to keep people clear of a bad experience. I doubt a hall of shame would be MTBR's style though, but it would be mine.
    Couple o' points Cloxxki:

    Customer service: Yep, people do find good and bad customer service with builders....but some of the time it comes down to a personality-clash and the builder looks bad if they pop up and bad-mouth (or are seen to) the customer...no matter how much of a jerk the customer was and how pie-in-the-sky their expectations were. I have had only one of these so far and he dropped off the face of the earth before putting any cash down / me telling him to go else where.

    "...even if the picture of it tells the trained eye it was ordered or setup incorrectly"

    Err, who's trained eye? What about the customers dimensions? You rarely get people posting their detailed body dimentions. You get pages of angles, lengths and tube profiles followed by "...about 5'9"" Difficult to determin fit and function from a few numbers (how about the Solitude #3 - the big pink one?)

    "a hall of shame should suffice to keep people clear of a bad experience"

    having read "hall of shame" stuff before they are normally full of people who have an axe to grind for what ever reason, possibly not to do with the builder in question! Plus you fall in to the position of being seen to lible the builder / company and while most people would shrug and let the idiots get on with it, there might be one who has the cash and motivation to take it to court (esp if they have lost business thanks to one nutter) As it is a public forum the host / provider is liable for the comments posted (see singletrackworld.com forum passim for examples of stuff being pulled for such legal reasons)

    It sucks but there it is.

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    Why is the Surly Pugsley in the 29er section? It should be in the SS section, although it will probably fit 29" wheels!

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    I'm not sure if by "singlespeed" you really mean "singlespeed xc", but here are a list of non-XC new school singlespeeds. Many of them make fine trail bikes. For the uninitiated, these are not really considered FR bikes by those who ride them.

    Some have optional derailleur hangers or sliding dropouts, but all can be run SS w/o a tensioner (and often are).

    I'd love it if we had a bit more diversity in the category. Or perhaps we need a more sophisticated categorization scheme: the popularity of SS has made the term rather imprecise (worse than "all mountain").

    Azonic - Steelhead
    Blackmarket - Mob
    DMR - 5+ models
    Eastern - DJ4
    Evil - Sovereign
    Evil - DOC
    Revell - 4+ models
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpet
    I'm not sure if by "singlespeed" you really mean "singlespeed xc", but here are a list of non-XC new school singlespeeds. Many of them make fine trail bikes. For the uninitiated, these are not really considered FR bikes by those who ride them.

    Some have optional derailleur hangers or sliding dropouts, but all can be run SS w/o a tensioner (and often are).

    I'd love it if we had a bit more diversity in the category. Or perhaps we need a more sophisticated categorization scheme: the popularity of SS has made the term rather imprecise (worse than "all mountain").

    Azonic - Steelhead
    Blackmarket - Mob
    DMR - 5+ models
    Eastern - DJ4
    Evil - Sovereign
    Evil - DOC
    Revell - 4+ models
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    Yes there are many more than what I listed!
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