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    Titanium hardtail 29er, XC race geometry, easily SS-able (no EBB) frame options?

    I'm looking for a hardtail 29er frame to build up rigid for not only XC racing, but also gravel racing (with a tire & gear swap). My requirements are that it's a titanium frame and easily able to convert to SS. I would prefer to not have to deal with an EBB, so sliders, swingers, etc. I don't need BOOST spacing or massive tire clearance, although neither would be a deal breaker. As long as it'll fit a 29x2.35 with adequate room for mud, I'm happy. XC race geometry, so nothing overly slack. Bonus points for a headtube that isn't super short.

    What are my options?

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    Not sure if these fit your racing geo requirement, but I've been considering a ti 29 frame and these are options that have all been on my list.

    OptimusTi Frame
    MooseKnuckle Frame

    https://www.voodoocycles.com/zocalo

    Titanium Gnarvester - Carver Bikes

    The 420, might be closer to your specs: Titanium 420 - Carver Bikes

    https://www.chumbausa.com/stella-titanium-29er/

    Kokopelli Bikes, Titanium Bikes

    https://lynskeyperformance.com/2018-...in-bike-frame/

    Some, maybe most. of these are 29+.

    The other one I really like is the last 2 years ('14 and '15) Salsa El Mariachi Ti. They stopped making the ti version so you would need to find used or a NOS one.
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    Ti Salsa Timberjack might check all the boxes.
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    +1 for Vassago. I just built up a new Optimus Ti, which is Boost, so can run regular or 29+. HA is 68.5, so a bit slack, and the chainstays are shortened up. Pretty cool trail geometry. With the right setup, it's fast.

    I also have a previous gen Optimus Ti, which is very racy, with a HA of 71. I absolutely love that bike, and have logged thousands of miles on it. If you can find one of them, grab it.

    EDIT: I've run them both SS only
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    There is also a Kona Ti frame that would work.

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    How about Roca Roja bikes? They're beautiful and affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klainmeister View Post
    How about Roca Roja bikes? They're beautiful and affordable.
    I don't know how I haven't seen these ones. The breezy with the ti fork is an instant classic.
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    Chumba Stella FTW!

    I have the steel version and I know about a dozen people on the TI frame. Welded right here in Austin, and they are absolutely top notch.

    (I have an URSA as well! Both bikes are set up SS)
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    I wish I had a lot of personal experience in this genre so I could contribute to this conversation. Some day...

    Kona Raijin (no longer available), and Carver 420 Ti were on my short list last year when I was shopping. I ended up with custom steel instead.
    Rigid SS 29er
    SS 29+
    Fat Lefty
    SS cyclocross
    Full Sus 29er (Yuck)

    Stop asking how much it weighs and just go ride it.

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    There's a Black Sheep for sale on stevebay. 71 degree head tube with sliders.
    Not sure of your budget, but it's priced well. You should check it out
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    What is "XC Racing Geo" these days?

    I haven't raced a bike with a HTA >69 degrees in years.

    Many manufacturers are putting out 68-69 degree HTs and FSs lately. Personally, I'd much prefer a 68 degree HTA over a 71 degree HTA. Minimal loss of maneuverability going uphill, better going down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    What is "XC Racing Geo" these days?

    I haven't raced a bike with a HTA >69 degrees in years.

    Many manufacturers are putting out 68-69 degree HTs and FSs lately. Personally, I'd much prefer a 68 degree HTA over a 71 degree HTA. Minimal loss of maneuverability going uphill, better going down.
    Agreed. My previous Optimus Ti was 71, and my new one is 68.5. Love it, with a 120 mm fork.


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    I love my raijin. I wish top tube was lower but its mostly fine.

    If it was stolen I'd try and get another used one. If that didn't work I'd probably go with a carver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eri View Post
    I love my raijin. I wish top tube was lower but its mostly fine.

    If it was stolen I'd try and get another used one. If that didn't work I'd probably go with a carver.
    Agreed, I love my Raijin.

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    OP, if you really want cheap and are not over 6ft tall, you could also check out the OPn One Ti frames, you regularly find them on sale for under $1k US.

    While they look quite nice, can anyone tell me the geo? Amazing that someone can setup a bike site and leave out something sop important, or is this person similar to Jones and think's they're god and whatever they determine is right, is gospel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klainmeister View Post
    How about Roca Roja bikes? They're beautiful and affordable.
    Quote Originally Posted by jestep View Post
    I don't know how I haven't seen these ones. The breezy with the ti fork is an instant classic.
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    jestep's link to Lynskey was to the regular geared frame, so just making sure you know Lynskey also makes an SL option with sliders compatible with Paragon. Unfortunately it appears they're no longer offering the SL variant on the Pro 29 in 2018 (I love mine - a 2012 model). But the Ridgeline still has an SL variant:

    https://lynskeyperformance.com/2018-...in-bike-frame/
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    FYI before I bought my Raijin I was going to have Lynskey build me a new version Pro29 with the new geometry but with sliders. They said no problem, just $350 (I think, don’t quote me) more than the standard frame.

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