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    SS Freeride/Do it all bike

    I'll soon be moving into a living situation where I no longer have to pay rent or bills, with all the money I'll be saving I've decided to build or buy my dream bike... What I want is something similar to my old Monocog flight AL but with a steel frame and a little more "jump-able" geo, and lower top tube. Ideally I'd like a rigid bike, but bikes like the NS core (not SS) have been catching my eye. What I want is a rigid SS bike I can ride single track on, but also huck and hop.... would a surly 1x1 or instigator in a smaller size frame fit my need?

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    well... i have a SS transition vagrant...
    by far my favorite bike EVER!!!!!! it tops everything!!

    slap on a RS domain u-turn and it really does do it all... minimum travel and it climbs anything and loves XC

    middle travel setting and it does AM really well

    full travel and you have yourself an amazing hardtail freeride bike!!

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    FYI, about the NS Core....

    The NS Surge is the same frame/geo. The magic ratio I found is 32x20 with the use of a 1/2 link.

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    I'm kinda looking for the same thIng and I'm looking at the Santa Cruz Chameleon. It has an ebb for SS setup.
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    Lenz Milk Money. Chameleon would do, too, I had one and loved it.

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    Transition Bikes TransAM maybe?
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    The 26 in. Steel Flights are out there, just check around. Redline stopped making them, but I have seen several ads in mags on clearance, as a frame with build kits at dealer cost. For the geo, stem swap, and hi rise bars, and you have it.
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    Evil's new Sovereign might fit.

    I was recently pondering that the angles would not get too steep with a 440 or 450 mm rigid fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stubecontinued
    I'll soon be moving into a living situation where I no longer have to pay rent or bills, with all the money I'll be saving I've decided to build or buy my dream bike...
    ahh-hah; living in the rents basement with a dream bike

    TRULY LIVIN THE DREAM!

    i am of course kidding unless i hit the nail on the head in which case i am sad for you.

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    Good job!

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    Rigid? Instigator or 26" Monocog.

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    ahh-hah; living in the rents basement with a dream bike

    TRULY LIVIN THE DREAM
    no... becoming the resident innkeeper at the hotel where I work...

    The evil Sovereign seems to take a pretty long fork...

    I'm thinking maybe a 26" Monocog flight or the Trans AM.... if I can find a 26" flight frameset I'll be a happy man costwise... but the transAm could be sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stubecontinued
    The evil Sovereign seems to take a pretty long fork....
    All the suggested frames take pretty long forks.

    When I looked at the angles and BB heights, I realised that the Sovereign is one of the few tough HTs that should work with a short fork too. My guesstimate is that it would get pretty standard XC bike geometry with a short fork. The others would have very steep seat tube angles at that point.

    (not trying to sell you one, just saying what I think...)

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    you asked for a freeride bike. and freeride bikes like long forks. if you want it to REALLY do it all then find a travel adjustable fork (like the domain or lyrik)

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    Ok, so I'm thinking these are my Top picks:
    Transition Vagrant
    Evil Sovereign
    NS Core 1- Convert to single speed
    Azonic Steelhead(??)
    NS ***** (??)

    My reformed criteria are:
    Single Speed, Hardtail, Freeride
    I guess steel would be nice, but not a neccesity, any other frames I should have in there?

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    Banshee Morphine...

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    forgot about the on-one....
    After seeing an Instigator in person today I've decided I don't really like it...

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    The Morphine is definitely in the FR/DH end of things: bomb proof but heavy.

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    i'd shoot for a Morphine, it's pretty close to the Vagrant and it's still in production


    I remember reading that the Morphine was one of the only close competetors to the Vagrant. i'm such a troll hahahaha

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    I'm a big fan of Ventana's drop out design.
    This is a tweaked version of their El Toro. Beefier tubes, sliding drops, slacked out angles.
    Real fun bike though...


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    Morhine in production? No it isn't. And the Banshee guys don't seem to be planning for a follow up. I am prettty sure there's some new frames still, somewhere on the planet...

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    That Ventana is beautiful.

    I guess there's a small number of us that are building similar SS bikes. My Chameleon is about to go under the knife and get a Pike fork, Avid disc brake, new 20mm T/A front wheel, and a beefier rim on the back to make it more huckable. Its been fun as a rigid SS but I'm getting to where I want the shock for those harder landings and need to beef up the rest of the bike to build with my own strength and confidence on it.

    So my final word is look into an older Chameleon. You probably dont want anything with an EBB if you're going to be doing drops. A chain tensioner on track ends >>> any EBB or sliding dropouts.

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    so the vagrant and morphine aren't in production?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stubecontinued
    so the vagrant and morphine aren't in production?
    No.
    They have both been discontinued some time ago.

    Banshee still has an old website up, listing Morphine and Scirocco, but no new ones will be made. I believe they will make something to replace the Scirocco but Keith, the designer, has said that they will not follow up the Morphine: it is a dinosaur

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    Quote Originally Posted by ritninja
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    Ran across this in the classifieds... not my ad but thought of this thread.

    Banshee Morphine
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    So can anyone talk me out of buying the older NS Be-Eye-Tee-See-H(?) frame from Tree Fort for $230 and slapping a 140mm fork on? I'm about to pull the trigger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stubecontinued
    I'll soon be moving into a living situation where I no longer have to pay rent or bills, with all the money I'll be saving I've decided to build or buy my dream bike... What I want is something similar to my old Monocog flight AL but with a steel frame and a little more "jump-able" geo, and lower top tube. Ideally I'd like a rigid bike, but bikes like the NS core (not SS) have been catching my eye. What I want is a rigid SS bike I can ride single track on, but also huck and hop.... would a surly 1x1 or instigator in a smaller size frame fit my need?
    Good thread.

    I've just recently had a fondness for long travel hardtail SS bikes (LTHTSS?), with the Transition Trans Am being my first intro to them (they could've at least slotted the disc mounts; how are you supposed to adjust your rear caliper when changing cogs?). I lean towards the AM side of things though, not FR (cojones not big enough )

    That Ventana is gorgeous! (no surprise there though ) Any indication on its release date? Even the El Toro's pics on their website haven't been updated to show the new swinging dropouts yet.

    Keep the suggestions coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stubecontinued
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    Since you mentioned the Icon...
    How about the Chumba HX1?

    Another alu FR HT: MC Rumble.

    Chromag Samurai or TRL.
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    I do love the MC Rumble, just a sweet hardcore frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel

    That Ventana is gorgeous! (no surprise there though ) Any indication on its release date? Even the El Toro's pics on their website haven't been updated to show the new swinging dropouts yet.

    Keep the suggestions coming!
    The ventana is a custom build delivered about a month ago. Sherwood will probably put those sliders on any HT frame in the line up if you ask.
    Cool thing is that the bike is also ready for belt drive (chainring clearance notch on the chain stay), and spec'd for hammerschmidt

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    NS Be-Eye-Tee-See-H

    I don't remember if the B***h has a DJ or FR geometry (short forks or a bit longer). How is seat tube length? Can you get the seat where you want it. Is that frame a good length for you?

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    I have my bike set up for what thread is about. 2005 P1 with Domain 302 uturn, and very heavy wheels. By far one of the most fun and simple bikes I have ever owned. But now I'm looking to lose a little weight, new wheels and maybe a RS Revelation 15Omm

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    Well... the LBS came through with a Large Giant STP SS from last year for cheap-cheap. I think, with a new fork, that this bike could be pretty much perfect

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    MisFit Dissent? That Ventana is a BEAUTY!
    Get off the couch and ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stubecontinued
    Giant STP SS ...
    ... with a new fork, that this bike could be pretty much perfect
    Just don't go and put a huge fork on it.
    A tall fork would turn it into a chopper with high BB, which is not likely to improve handling....

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    I'm thinking a pike... Also what would the wheelset of choice be for a beefy SS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    I'm a big fan of Ventana's drop out design.
    This is a tweaked version of their El Toro. Beefier tubes, sliding drops, slacked out angles.
    Real fun bike though...
    I'll say it again, BADAZZ!

    Seriously folks, AM hardtails are fuggin badazz! Not sure about a FR hardtail, as that would be WAY WAY overkill for 99%+ of people, but an AM-ish hardtail? Hellz yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    I'll say it again, BADAZZ!

    Seriously folks, AM hardtails are fuggin badazz! Not sure about a FR hardtail, as that would be WAY WAY overkill for 99%+ of people, but an AM-ish hardtail? Hellz yeah

    it just got more badazzer with this recent shipment from chad
    i kept missing the grips due to the 3" increase in width.


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    mmm I have some spots where I need to pay attention to make it between the trees with a 66 cm bar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    mmm I have some spots where I need to pay attention to make it between the trees with a 66 cm bar...
    yeah.. i better watch out this weekend and wear my fullface in case i clip something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    it just got more badazzer with this recent shipment from chad
    i kept missing the grips due to the 3" increase in width.
    yep...2 of my 3 bikes will now adorn Chromag ensembles, with my current project (ie, AM hardtail) almost finalized having chromag bars, stem, saddle, post, post clamp...

    "If it aint Chromag, it's ChroPhag"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    yep...2 of my 3 bikes will now adorn Chromag ensembles, with my current project (ie, AM hardtail) almost finalized having chromag bars, stem, saddle, post, post clamp...

    "If it aint Chromag, it's ChroPhag"

    I hear you with the whole chromag passion. And AM-hardtails are definitly the most funest mountainbikes. Coincidently this is what Chromag originally is famous for: Building the most reliable best dialled in AM hardtail frames. Not to speak of the choice of material.

    So do yourself a favour and make sure the long tubes between your chromag stem and your chromag seatpost are chromag too.

    Iīve heard, the chromag folks are into developing a singlespeed option for their Samurai. So this or the Sakura set up singlespeed would be a badass proof to the love of am ss hardtails...

    (I just hope, someone is willing to order such a singlespeed specific chromag and will share some pics of the dropouts.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooka
    I hear you with the whole chromag passion. And AM-hardtails are definitly the most funest mountainbikes. Coincidently this is what Chromag originally is famous for: Building the most reliable best dialled in AM hardtail frames. Not to speak of the choice of material.

    So do yourself a favour and make sure the long tubes between your chromag stem and your chromag seatpost are chromag too.

    Iīve heard, the chromag folks are into developing a singlespeed option for their Samurai. So this or the Sakura set up singlespeed would be a badass proof to the love of am ss hardtails...

    (I just hope, someone is willing to order such a singlespeed specific chromag and will share some pics of the dropouts.)
    yeah...the folks at Chromag are phantastic too! I did bug Ian (rather, I am sure I annoyed him ) when asking if he could please do a 29er...not sure if he thought i was a retard or not but i did say if he had one i would have considered it as for better or worse, that is how i roll nowadays

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    yeah...the folks at Chromag are phantastic too! I did bug Ian (rather, I am sure I annoyed him ) when asking if he could please do a 29er...not sure if he thought i was a retard or not but i did say if he had one i would have considered it as for better or worse, that is how i roll nowadays

    Yeah. 29er arenīt that popular in BC. And my Chromag helped me to decover the "why?".

    I ride about 50% of my time with a really great 29er. But when it comes to gnarly fun rides I would not trade the chromag for any big wheeled bike. Although I had great expectations into laid back AM-like 29er and the Jones in particular, I kinda gave up. To me all the 29er Iīve ridden shine in XC stuff but never felt that right in real descents. Whistler (the Chromag homebase) is even more about real trail rides...






    But for me, it possibly is related to the ease of jumping over rocks, roots and .... This is something that my chromag is doing much better, even better than a Jones. But this is a very personal preference and depends on the style of e-riding one does
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    Quote Originally Posted by pooka
    Yeah. 29er arenīt that popular in BC. And my Chromag helped me to decover the "why?".

    I ride about 50% of my time with a really great 29er. But when it comes to gnarly fun rides I would not trade it for any big wheeled bike. Although I had great expectations into laid back AM-like 29er and the Jones in particular, I kinda gave up. To me all the 29er Iīve ridden shine in XC stuff but never felt that right in real descents. Whistler (the Chromag homebase) is even more about real trail rides...

    But for me, it possibly is related to the ease of jumping over rocks, roots and .... This is something that my chromag is doing much better, even better than a Jones. But this is a very personal preference and depends on the style of e-riding one does
    i know...nowhere did i say 29ers were better for any terrain, only that its just how i roll now. i have no doubt their 26er frames ROCK...my previous AM 26er frame ROCKED too, just that for better or worse, i prefer 29er. And i would like a Chromag 29er is all

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    [QUOTE=pooka]Yeah. 29er arenīt that popular in BC. And my Chromag helped me to decover the "why?".

    I ride about 50% of my time with a really great 29er. But when it comes to gnarly fun rides I would not trade the chromag for any big wheeled bike. Although I had great expectations into laid back AM-like 29er and the Jones in particular, I kinda gave up. To me all the 29er Iīve ridden shine in XC stuff but never felt that right in real descents. Whistler (the Chromag homebase) is even more about real trail rides...


    Is that sakura set up for ss?? If so how?

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    Sorry to revive this long-dead thread, but I'm embarking upon a similar build again and this seemed like the place to continue the dialog. I ended up building a Redline Monocog Flight 26" in steel which I absolutely loved. It was a sweet machine, if not exactly what I set out to build.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wN-l-fippl7XRd_uywb88dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=embedw ebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Euh9KVHf6ic/TU2G5esr6MI/AAAAAAAABi4/o8rZzqHr5V0/s640/DSCN1508.JPG" height="480" width="640" /></a>
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    I rode it happily; over hill and over dale, off of things, up things, and hopped over everything I could. Unfortunately that bike was stolen in the summer and I built a new bike; a Haro Beasley 650b.
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    Now the Beasley has been pretty sweet, but I'm just not convinced it's what I want. I'm not really a fan of the EBB, I'm not quite sure about the 650b thing, and it feels a little redundant with the Monocog Flight AL, that I have... do I really need 2 rigid SS bikes? Most importantly I'm just not sure it's cool enough So now I have my eye back on a Transition Trans AM frame.. just like you all recommended in the first place. There are a couple around the interwebs, used, and for a pretty good deal. Any other contenders in the SS AM category? Is 6 pounds really heavy for a frame? I'm not a weight weenie, just better informed than I was at the outset of this thread. Thanks again!! SS all the way!

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    That is a sweet looking monocog...

    6 lbs is a bit on the heavy side, even for steel. By comparison, many Aluminum are 4 to 5 lbs. I felt the same when I was looking, the Trans AM is gorgeous but here are some other considerations:

    Cove Stiffee - Aluminum (4.5lbs ?)
    Cove Bikes USA: Handcrafted Bikes & Fun Since '81

    Cromag Aperture - Steel (and a beauty at that, 5.6 lbs)
    Aperture - Chromag Bikes

    Cromag Stylus- Steel (6.6 lbs but wow - stout)
    Stylus - Chromag Bikes

    Identity AKA - Aluminum (though I have yet to ever see one, 4.9 lbs)
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    On-One 456 Summer Season - Steel (5.5 lbs)
    On-One Summer Season Steel Hardtail Frame 2011 Ģ199.99

    Santa Cruz Chameleon - Aluminum (a winner but EBB, 4.25 lbs)
    Santa Cruz Bicycles

    Sinister Ridge - Aluminum (5 lbs)
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    I would also recommend the Soul Cycles Titan but Chad does not make it anymore...
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    The Aperture is surely a beautiful frame, but I'd like to go with something with a SS option. I'm thinking steel is it for this next build, so I can afford to take a little weight penalty. This bike will be built up SS with a (gasp) suspension fork, I've been riding rigid for quite a few years now and I'm ready to branch out. Does the summer season have a SS option? I always seem to forget On One as an option..

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    After reading a review on PinkBike with some amazing and inspiring photos I've decided to put the feelers out on the TransAM frames I found for sale. If I can pick one up used I will, if I have to wait for another paycheck I'll buy a new one.. It really does just seem to fit the bill. Let's talk forks.

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    Trans AM

    Can't argue with you there, the Trans Am was my choice until I saw the 30.0mm seatpost. I do enjoy the luxury of an adjustable post.
    ...wait I just checked and they changed it to a 30.9mm! Trans Am it is.

    I have had a great time with my RS Pike (now Sektor RL) and would certainly recommend it. I think the Fox 36 may be a better fork but I got a sweet deal on my Pike that I could not pass up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stubecontinued View Post
    I'd like to go with something with a SS option.
    All frames have a singlespeed option. But you might be picky about what kind of an implementation you prefer.



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