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    so, what are my options(hubs)

    On my ride today I get the bright idea to start specing another SS. This is gonna be aways off(i want to use the on-one inbreed with the sliding drops when it is releaced and I have money for it). That, and I like to plan things out. Ok, so I want this bike to be disc(hense the sliding dropouts), Id also like to be able to easily change gearing. So obvously im looking for a cassette style disc hub. Not to much to ask.

    I know that King, and DT have this style hub. But can I put avid discs on that center lock thingy? Id also like it to be black and have a matching front(im just wierd like that i guess). Hopefully this post actually made sense and i got my point across. Thanks.

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    I think the only other options for a SS disc cassette hub is American classic and the Woodman/nashbar/on one hubs, which are much cheaper than the other three, but also much heavier!

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    How about a plain vanilla XT hub? Does it need to be SS specific, or can you live with infinite chainline adjustment? Inexpensive, not that heavy, and if you own a geard bike with discs, you have a spare wheel? What's not to like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Foot
    How about a plain vanilla XT hub? Does it need to be SS specific, or can you live with infinite chainline adjustment? Inexpensive, not that heavy, and if you own a geard bike with discs, you have a spare wheel? What's not to like?

    Mike
    I do love the bling, but all I own in single speeds. Only geared bike i could see me owning is a roadie. So that being said you make a good point, but the gearing option just isnt for me.

    EDIT: After doing some more searching I answered my question about the DT Swiss centerlock, so that is a super viable option.
    One last question about the DT's(they seem to be in the lead), do they use a Shimano spline? Ie. would like a endless or king kog or boone work with them? Thanks, sorry for all the babbling.
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    Yes...

    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    I do love the bling, but all I own in single speeds. Only geared bike i could see me owning is a roadie. So that being said you make a good point, but the gearing option just isnt for me.

    EDIT: After doing some more searching I answered my question about the DT Swiss centerlock, so that is a super viable option.
    One last question about the DT's(they seem to be in the lead), do they use a Shimano spline? Ie. would like a endless or king kog or boone work with them? Thanks, sorry for all the babbling.
    Same spline. Endless/Boone/King Kog will work fine with the DT-Swiss hubs.

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    sorry to spam, but check out my Phil Wood Wheelset for sale.

    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/cgi-bin/...uery=retrieval

    It takes a bmx style freewheel though.

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    Hadley

    Hadley hubs seem really well built and not that expensive.
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    true precision stealth. nobody seem to remember true precision anymore. i haven't seen a single true precision hub either...

    ringle makes a cassette hub as well. not sure if it's available for disc.



    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    On my ride today I get the bright idea to start specing another SS. This is gonna be aways off(i want to use the on-one inbreed with the sliding drops when it is releaced and I have money for it). That, and I like to plan things out. Ok, so I want this bike to be disc(hense the sliding dropouts), Id also like to be able to easily change gearing. So obvously im looking for a cassette style disc hub. Not to much to ask.

    I know that King, and DT have this style hub. But can I put avid discs on that center lock thingy? Id also like it to be black and have a matching front(im just wierd like that i guess). Hopefully this post actually made sense and i got my point across. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lftripp33
    Hadley hubs seem really well built and not that expensive.

    Did a bit more searching, seems like nothing but good things about the hadleys. They look really nice too. I cant find a website for them though. after seeing the prices for DT stuff, id kinda like to go elsewhere, same with king. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    On my ride today I get the bright idea to start specing another SS. This is gonna be aways off(i want to use the on-one inbreed with the sliding drops when it is releaced and I have money for it). That, and I like to plan things out. Ok, so I want this bike to be disc(hense the sliding dropouts), Id also like to be able to easily change gearing. So obvously im looking for a cassette style disc hub. Not to much to ask.

    I know that King, and DT have this style hub. But can I put avid discs on that center lock thingy? Id also like it to be black and have a matching front(im just wierd like that i guess). Hopefully this post actually made sense and i got my point across. Thanks.
    not a ton of detail, but a very nice webpage for SS hubs for your perusal that I have found...

    http://www.singlespeed.nl/bits/naven/main.html

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    not a ton of detail, but a very nice webpage for SS hubs for your perusal that I have found...

    http://www.singlespeed.nl/bits/naven/main.html

    cheers

    cool, thanks. Its better then nothing. your avitar(sp?) is great.

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    On-One also just announced a 29" Inbred, also sliding dropouts. If you're building a new rear wheel anyway...might be worth considering, for a change of taste?
    My personal favorite would be the DT SS hub, King is hard to justify IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    Did a bit more searching, seems like nothing but good things about the hadleys. They look really nice too. I cant find a website for them though. after seeing the prices for DT stuff, id kinda like to go elsewhere, same with king. Thanks.
    The Hadley is a great hub, very fast (108pt) engagement and a very strong design. I ride a King and it's great, but with the difference in pricing now I'd have a tough time justifying it over the Hadley. I'd avoid the American Classic, they are having a hard enough time making a reliable geared hub, and a SS hub sees a lot more torque.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    On-One also just announced a 29" Inbred, also sliding dropouts. If you're building a new rear wheel anyway...might be worth considering, for a change of taste?
    My personal favorite would be the DT SS hub, King is hard to justify IMO.

    hhhmmmm.....very intresting. that would make a bit more sense having a 29er with discs and a 26 inchers with V's as opposed to 2 26 one V one disc. Thanks very very much for throwing that wrinkle into the mix. Guess i need to ride a 29er to see if i like it.
    one question though, who makes a good 29er wheel? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    cool, thanks. Its better then nothing. your avitar(sp?) is great.
    If you are interested in Hadleys I have a like new set laced to Mavic 819's for sale...PM me.

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    True Precision Stealth hub

    built one up, lasted 4 months (which isn't that bad for me) before the mech started to slip under hard pedalling , True Precision sent me another hub and just laced it up last weekend. I really love how it feels to ride, soooo smooth and the instant engagement just plain feels nice. See how long it lasts this time, there was a supposed "improvement" in the case design.
    True Precision customer service was very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weather
    true precision stealth. nobody seem to remember true precision anymore. i haven't seen a single true precision hub either...

    ringle makes a cassette hub as well. not sure if it's available for disc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red-haze.com
    built one up, lasted 4 months (which isn't that bad for me) before the mech started to slip under hard pedalling , True Precision sent me another hub and just laced it up last weekend. I really love how it feels to ride, soooo smooth and the instant engagement just plain feels nice. See how long it lasts this time, there was a supposed "improvement" in the case design.
    True Precision customer service was very good.

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    Hello bob

    If you ever take your stealth hub apart I would be very happy if you would post some detailed pictures of the mechanism. Especially some pictures that give an impression of how steep the ramps are were the rolls are pressed against it.

    I guess the slipping could be caused by to steep ramps that did not pushed the rolls hard enough. (?)

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    I second or third the Hadleys

    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    On my ride today I get the bright idea to start specing another SS. This is gonna be aways off(i want to use the on-one inbreed with the sliding drops when it is releaced and I have money for it). That, and I like to plan things out. Ok, so I want this bike to be disc(hense the sliding dropouts), Id also like to be able to easily change gearing. So obvously im looking for a cassette style disc hub. Not to much to ask.

    I know that King, and DT have this style hub. But can I put avid discs on that center lock thingy? Id also like it to be black and have a matching front(im just wierd like that i guess). Hopefully this post actually made sense and i got my point across. Thanks.
    I just built up a set of geared Hadley's and am getting ready to build the SS set. Like the other posters said.... Ti cassette body, 108 point engagement, $150 + cheaper than CK, and easy serviced...IMHO I'd say it is the new standard.
    Erik at Balle racing is a good source.

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    What they said was

    What they said was that I had expanded the shell (gearing either 32:18 or 34:18 with 180mm cranks). NOt sure what that means but have some visualizations

    The machining on the exterior of the hub was exquisite, the fit of their cog on their proprietary spline was perfect, there was NO play. I thought about taking the old one apart before sending it back but figgured that might mess up their figguring out what went wrong.

    "dry" season riding is coming up so I hope it'll last for awhile, maybe years?

    On the other hand, THE most bombproof SS hub I have is the Novatech, it just always works and works well. 4000 miles on one right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakerollo
    Hello bob

    If you ever take your stealth hub apart I would be very happy if you would post some detailed pictures of the mechanism. Especially some pictures that give an impression of how steep the ramps are were the rolls are pressed against it.

    I guess the slipping could be caused by to steep ramps that did not pushed the rolls hard enough. (?)

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    Expanded shell

    Quote Originally Posted by red-haze.com
    What they said was that I had expanded the shell (gearing either 32:18 or 34:18 with 180mm cranks). NOt sure what that means but have some visualizations

    OK - Since I have never seen the stealth hub this is only guessing based on the Sachs roller clutch design:

    The part of the mechanism that is on the shell is a ring with a smooth surface. On the part where the cog is mounted the are some small ramps where the rolls rest. When the cog part is rotated the rolls are pushed out towards the shell ring by the ramps.

    The slope of the ramps where the rolls are when they hit the outer ring is very essential for slipping/not slipping. The more parallel the tangent of the ramp and the tangent of the shell ring are the greater the force is on the rolls. Less slipping.

    But this has the side effect that the parts are loaded much harder. The shell ring can be expanded (which might have happened in your case) crack. The ramps can get mashed. The rolls can get mashed. Sachs made the hole shell in steel.

    This kind of mechanism is very difficult to fine tune since you can very all these factors: Ramp slope, roller diameter, roller legth, outer ring diameter and of course material choice.

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    The Hadley hubs are my first choice, for sure. I have found nothing but positives about them. BUT, i cant find them anywhere. Like I said this build is down the road, but I still like to have stuff planed out.
    I was looking through the QBP book at work today a bit, couldnt find them. Apperentally we deal with J&B as well, but i couldnt find that book. Are they a factory direct company like White Ind.?? Or am I just looking in the wrong places?

    Thanks for all your help guys.

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    Hadley Porn

    How can you do better? 108 engagement points, Titanium cassette body, Ti allen bolts or QR axle option. IMHO they beat all in quality. The price is not cheap, but it's less than CK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattman
    How can you do better? 108 engagement points, Titanium cassette body, Ti allen bolts or QR axle option. IMHO they beat all in quality. The price is not cheap, but it's less than CK.

    I dont think you can do better! THat is one damn nice looking hub.
    Now, where to get them, the one problem.

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    The Path has or can get them

    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    I dont think you can do better! THat is one damn nice looking hub.
    Now, where to get them, the one problem.
    I got mine from Tani at The Path bike shop in Tustin , he had them in stock and I was lucky, he had exactly the color and everything I needed. http://www.thepathbikeshop.com/

    Larry at Mountain High in Colorado would be another place to check, I'm not certain he would have them, but he's known for building a lot of nice wheels, so it may be a good place to check. http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattman
    I got mine from Tani at The Path bike shop in Tustin , he had them in stock and I was lucky, he had exactly the color and everything I needed. http://www.thepathbikeshop.com/

    Larry at Mountain High in Colorado would be another place to check, I'm not certain he would have them, but he's known for building a lot of nice wheels, so it may be a good place to check. http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com/

    Thanks for the links. I must say that is damn lucky!!!
    I actually fond them in a diffrent distributers book at work, you have no idea how happy that made me.

    Thanks for all the imput and sugestions!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    Thanks for the links. I must say that is damn lucky!!!
    I actually fond them in a diffrent distributers book at work, you have no idea how happy that made me.

    Thanks for all the imput and sugestions!!
    May I ask what distributer? I've been admiring the Hadley SS hubs for a bit and knowing where to get them would make things easier on the LBS.

    thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pritchett
    May I ask what distributer? I've been admiring the Hadley SS hubs for a bit and knowing where to get them would make things easier on the LBS.

    thanks,

    It was BTI.I think it stood for bicycle technologies Inc. I think, ill double check for you tomorrow.
    Id never heard of them before, didnt know we delt with them. But they have it, seems like one of the top hubs out there.

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    If anyone wants ss disc hubs that are good but inexpensive should check out IRO.

    I just bought a pair today $90. www.irocycle.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandmanLJS
    It was BTI.I think it stood for bicycle technologies Inc. I think, ill double check for you tomorrow.
    Id never heard of them before, didnt know we delt with them. But they have it, seems like one of the top hubs out there.
    Yeah, it's BTI (www.bti-usa.com). Great company, I deal with them almost daily. The website is a good resource for consumers too, as you can still view the whole site including current stock status (it just won't show dealer price without a login). They do carry Hadley, but only in black and most of the Hadley stuff is usually out of stock as Hadley is very slow at getting hubs out. Great hubs if you can get them though, building a bunch of them for people right now.
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    IRO hubs seem like a good deal

    Quote Originally Posted by inkdwheels
    If anyone wants ss disc hubs that are good but inexpensive should check out IRO.

    I just bought a pair today $90. www.irocycle.com
    Probably a great deal for the price. I have them on my Mia and on the Vulture I just built. I've heard they are the same as Woodman, On-One, Nashbar, etc. A decent hub sold to many companys and sold under different lables. My only observation so far is that the engagement is slower, but all hubs engage slower than my Hadleys, even the Kings on my geary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    Yeah, it's BTI (www.bti-usa.com). Great company, I deal with them almost daily. The website is a good resource for consumers too, as you can still view the whole site including current stock status (it just won't show dealer price without a login). They do carry Hadley, but only in black and most of the Hadley stuff is usually out of stock as Hadley is very slow at getting hubs out. Great hubs if you can get them though, building a bunch of them for people right now.
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    I like their catalog as much if not more then QBP. Plus im all for the smaller guys.

    I was wrong its Bicycle Technologies INTERNATIONAL. not inc. like i stated earlier. I think most of my next bike will come from BTI.

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