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    Round ONE: Sliders VS. EBB - FIGHT!

    -getting a custom ti frame build-
    -it's either going to live as an SS or a Rohloff equipped machine-

    I am leaning towards EBB, and hoping to get a sweet Phil one. But, am not completely sold.

    Weigh in, let me know what you think about the pros/cons of both sliding drop outs like those on the new Unit/Explosif and EBBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    -getting a custom ti frame build-
    -it's either going to live as an SS or a Rohloff equipped machine-

    I am leaning towards EBB, and hoping to get a sweet Phil one. But, am not completely sold.

    Weigh in, let me know what you think about the pros/cons of both sliding drop outs like those on the new Unit/Explosif and EBBs.

    Ding, ding, ding.
    Hmmm....

    Well, they both seem to work well in tensioning the chain. No problems with either that I know of (I use the sliding dropouts myself). The sliding dropouts are probably a little lighter and maybe lower maintenance but I wouldn't think there's much in it.

    I guess where they differ is how they affect the bike's geometry when you take up chain slack. The sliding dropouts are going to change the bike's wheelbase. The EBB is going to change your pedal-to-arse positioning and your chainring clearance.

    Having said that I've not got any real idea what that means for handling etc..

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    Either, just not neither

    I have an EBB Vulture. I don't own a Kona, but I think the Kona slider dropouts are awesome. One tiny advantage with an EBB is that the rotation of the eccentric is only one adjustment, as opposed to having to make two adjustments with the dropout tensioning method -- one at each dropout -- requiring the rider to manually center the wheel in the frame. However I'm sure in practice adjusting these sliding dropouts is so simple as to make my comment above laughable. I would not hesitate to buy a Kona Unit/Explosif.

    Personally I ride a large frame (very large, actually -- 25.5" TT) so my butt is so far from the BB that I cannot tell any difference in seat angle no matter where the eccentric is rotated in the EBB. This may be more of a concern for very small frames, I don't know.

    The EBB offers the advantage(?) of allowing the rider to adjust his/her BB height (slightly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    Weigh in, let me know what you think about the pros/cons of both sliding drop outs like those on the new Unit/Explosif and EBBs.
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    ... and if we just ... I have both...

    They each have their own advantages and the each have their own disdvantages.

    My take on it would be :-

    Horizontal drops = V brakes
    EBB = discs ............whatever floats yer boat....

    A gross over simplification I agree, but that's me ....simple

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    I got one of each...

    They are both sano for their respective applications.

    EBB->Hunter, beefy as hell SS. I run disk brakes and it is the simplest, THE 'always true to alignment chain tensioning system'. A nice thing...I want to try a 24" rear wheel(add a bit of freerideability to 'er) and in a cinch, I'll rotate the EBB up and therefore negate low BB ill effects. Disk!

    Hori-enz->SyCip, light and fixed(neutered, spayed...I can't remember). I run a FlipFloper and it is crazy quick and easy to go from road to mountain gear. Non-Disk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corky3
    They each have their own advantages and the each have their own disdvantages.

    My take on it would be :-

    Horizontal drops = V brakes
    EBB = discs ............whatever floats yer boat....

    A gross over simplification I agree, but that's me ....simple
    We're not talking normal horizontal drops, these are horizontally sliding vertical dropouts as found on the 04 Kona Unit/Explosif. They let you run discs just as easy as an EBB. Here's a closeup of mine:

    <img src="https://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/103_0304.jpg">

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    Sliders

    Maybe one of these and a side order of ENO might help.
    Last edited by ernesto_from_Wisconsin; 02-06-2007 at 07:14 PM.

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    I like horizontals, but there is a caveat, at least with the Paul adapter...

    The Paul disc adapter is threaded onto the axle of the hub. The top end is attached via the adjustable rod to the frame. The disc caliper mounts onto the Avid disc adapter which mounts to the Paul adapter.
    To change the rear wheel:
    1. Undo one end of the adjustable rod (right off).
    2. Undo the Avid disc brake mount from the disc brake adapter. (disc caliper now hangs free)
    3. Loosen the 2 axle hex bolts.
    4. Back the 2 chain tugs off so the chain will be slack enough to remove from chainring (to give enough slack to remove from White Ind freewheel )
    5. Remove wheel (and Paul adapter).

    I hope I don't flat very often
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    I think I will go for the EBB.
    I am going to run discs, and regular drops are prettier IMHO.
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    I guess I vote for EBB because....

    I vote for the EBB because of the flat tire issue........

    Oh and they look cool also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Jerry
    I vote for the EBB because of the flat tire issue........

    Oh and they look cool also.

    JS
    Flat tire issue?!


    It's basically between these two:
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    Hmmm...

    Ok, side question here...

    Mine's a pint... that sliding unit you've got there (Kona)... please tell me that silver jobby can be used in another horizontal sliding "dropout", say, Sub-11 style? It the limiting factor the length of the forked part? please please please... that would be too easy, I know. But it looks so possible. Would hike up the back end of the bike a little, but "eh". Crap, you know what I just thought of? It's a spacing issue. I can't fit that thing in between my drop outs and my hub, probably. Oh well, nevermind. Seems like someone could make one similar that would work, though. Time to talk with my CNC friends!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBnJ
    Ok, side question here...

    Mine's a pint... that sliding unit you've got there (Kona)... please tell me that silver jobby can be used in another horizontal sliding "dropout", say, Sub-11 style? It the limiting factor the length of the forked part? please please please... that would be too easy, I know. But it looks so possible. Would hike up the back end of the bike a little, but "eh". Crap, you know what I just thought of? It's a spacing issue. I can't fit that thing in between my drop outs and my hub, probably. Oh well, nevermind. Seems like someone could make one similar that would work, though. Time to talk with my CNC friends!
    Right, I'd say it would be a spacing issue. Ya could always respace the hub ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mine'sAPint
    Right, I'd say it would be a spacing issue. Ya could always respace the hub ?
    Or you could "step" the drop-out to the outside below the sliding portion. Think in 3 dimensions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexB
    Or you could "step" the drop-out to the outside below the sliding portion. Think in 3 dimensions!
    Yes, and this will also steepen the frame geometry and raise the BB. So next put a longer travel fork on the bike to restore the original geometry yet raise the BB even higher. Then you'll have a bike that will be well suited for long cranks -- now you're talkin'!

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    I only have experiences with EBBs. I've been racing on my Seven Ti EBB SS for 3-yrs and the EBB has been flawless! I liked it so much, I even spec'd it on my SS 'cross frame even though I wasn't using discs.

    I have no experiences with the Kona Unit dropouts, but they do look promising and interesting. If I was to spec a new frame, it would be a tough decision between the two, but I think I'd lean towards the EBB.
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    one vote against horizontals from me.

    i don't see the advantage of getting the Rohloff set-up unless you're gonna have a derailleur hanger attached and want to alter the geometry and feel of the bike.

    personally, i'd go for an EBB. even with V-brakes, i'd like an EBB.

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