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    mmmm.... pugsley...

    Surly is a no-nonsense company, but their new "pugsley " model deviates from that norm. Do you think this bike makes sense for the singlespeed crowd? With a 3 or 4 inch tire, you are gonna have to run a 32x20 or so to get the hill climbing power of a regular singlespeed, and all that extra rubber isn't going to be light.

    I run fat (2.3") tubeless tires on my rigid singlespeed and that provides me with poor man's suspension, but even if you wanted to rock a suspension fork on the pugsley, there aren't many options for 1and1/8 steerer with clearance for 3 (not to mention 4) inch tires.

    I think surly is a cool company, but do you think this is a bad move on their part, or a much needed innovation in an otherwise conservative company?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wonko_the_chain
    Surly is a no-nonsense company, but their new "pugsley " model deviates from that norm. Do you think this bike makes sense for the singlespeed crowd? With a 3 or 4 inch tire, you are gonna have to run a 32x20 or so to get the hill climbing power of a regular singlespeed, and all that extra rubber isn't going to be light.

    I run fat (2.3") tubeless tires on my rigid singlespeed and that provides me with poor man's suspension, but even if you wanted to rock a suspension fork on the pugsley, there aren't many options for 1and1/8 steerer with clearance for 3 (not to mention 4) inch tires.

    I think surly is a cool company, but do you think this is a bad move on their part, or a much needed innovation in an otherwise conservative company?
    It'll be a great snow/sand bike, and there's probably a call for maybe a couple hundred of them. I think they're doing it because of those few people who need something like that. That being said, there shouldn't be any need for suspension in those conditions, and a ss drivetrain, even 32:20, will be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonko_the_chain
    Surly is a no-nonsense company, but their new "pugsley " model deviates from that norm. Do you think this bike makes sense for the singlespeed crowd? With a 3 or 4 inch tire, you are gonna have to run a 32x20 or so to get the hill climbing power of a regular singlespeed, and all that extra rubber isn't going to be light.

    I run fat (2.3") tubeless tires on my rigid singlespeed and that provides me with poor man's suspension, but even if you wanted to rock a suspension fork on the pugsley, there aren't many options for 1and1/8 steerer with clearance for 3 (not to mention 4) inch tires.

    I think surly is a cool company, but do you think this is a bad move on their part, or a much needed innovation in an otherwise conservative company?
    You don't buy the Pugsley so you can get an increased suspension effect. It's so you can ride in deep sand and snow. It is not a general purpose bike.

    If I had a bunch of extra money lying around (which I don't) I'd be in line to get one, no question. I'd be using it in the mountains (Oregon) during winter, and take it to places like Florence or the Christmas Valley Dunes for sand-riding. I'd probably run it 30:20 or 32:22 myself.

    It would also be useful for riding in ORV areas where the trails have been really chewed up.

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    The Puglsy uses the karate Monkey dropouts that have a derailer tab on them, so you could build it up with gears.

    I can't wait to see the four inch tires Surly is making.



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    Quote Originally Posted by wonko_the_chain
    Surly is a no-nonsense company, but their new "pugsley " model deviates from that norm. Do you think this bike makes sense for the singlespeed crowd? With a 3 or 4 inch tire, you are gonna have to run a 32x20 or so to get the hill climbing power of a regular singlespeed, and all that extra rubber isn't going to be light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonko_the_chain
    With a 3 or 4 inch tire, you are gonna have to run a 32x20 or so to get the hill climbing power of a regular singlespeed,
    HORRORS!!!
    32x20!! Say it ain't so!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonko_the_chain
    ...new "pugsley " model ...
    I want one. Ya HEAR ME?!?! I WWWANT ONE!!!

    (*...heavy breathing...*) ...must...come...up...with......money............. ....

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    Surly is a no nonsense company, that makes no nonsense bikes, which is exactly what this bike is.

    How much market is there for the long haul trucker or the pacer. The long haul trucker is a badass prupose built touring bike. Really overkill in most first world countries. The pacer is a not too light, but not dirt cheap road bike/frameset. both bikes however have really nice attention to detail that you wouldn't expect at their pricepoint, and have features that you might have to otherwise go custom, or pay a similar price to get. I think that Surly makes bikes for people that really ride bikes.

    The pugsely is another example of that. Even if the frame retails for $500-600, it will be a fraction of the cost of most frames with that kind of clearance. You could ride that thing anywhere. I would probably gear that thing at about 32x22 or 32x24 and see what I could ride through, up and over. I could see it being perfect for the penninsula north of my hometown, where everything is sand. But even more fun would just be to just see what would be phyically possible to ride up and down on that thing.

    Now if I could just afford one...

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    I want one too

    Quote Originally Posted by Chequama Mama
    ...I think that Surly makes bikes for people that really ride bikes...
    That's their secret. I bought an Instigator frame for a temporary bike, but I had to leave it behind when I moved countries. Next thing I know I've got a 1x1 SS and it's my favourite bike while exotica quietly corrodes in my shed.

    ...but even more fun would just be to just see what would be phyically possible to ride up and down on that thing...
    There's lots of sandy or boggy places I can't ride because my bike sinks in. A Puggsley looks irresistable as a second bike. Gear low and it will get through.

    It won't need a suspension fork - fat tyres will cope with anything at the speeds it will do. Definitely a bike for disks, the rims are going to spend their life immersed in clag

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    Most of the southern area of New Jersey is the sandy Pine Barrens, so a Puglsy would do well. I've tried riding there many times, and it's no fun after a couple of hours.
    I love to ride in the snow too.
    I'm sure there's a Pugsley in my future!
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    in the future...

    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyDevil
    Most of the southern area of New Jersey is the sandy Pine Barrens, so a Puglsy would do well. I've tried riding there many times, and it's no fun after a couple of hours.
    I love to ride in the snow too.
    I'm sure there's a Pugsley in my future!
    In the future, when I own a Pugsley, I will enter the WI winter with porn star desire.

    That looks like a cool bike to just ride and ride, up and down, all around.

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    I got to see a Pugsley at Interbike. Def a cool looking bike and I would love to have one here in VA. We get a good bit of snow around here every year and it would be nice to have in those conditions. Not to mention just cool to have such a unique bike.

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    My girlfriend, who has been afraid of bikes since she crashed hard as a girl, has a MAD crush on the Pugsly.

    I want to tell her that it's going to be heavy in all the wrong places, have funky, frame-specific parts on it (the super-wide BB and rear wheel spacer), and that a 1x1 with 2.7s would probably be a better, but, I also understand how you can fall in love with a bike. Especially a love it or hate it bike like Pugsley.

    Personally, I'd like to see a version of it with a "normal" fork. I didn't see a derailleur tab in the pics I saw, but that makes more sense than a second freewheel on a second rear hub in the front. Although I don't know if you could fit a cassette in there anyway, especially given the spacing issues they already had with the rims and the BB.

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    i want...

    the bastard child of the Pugsly and the Monkey. how much bigger footprint would you have with a 29x4" tire eh? you could eat H2 hummers like a hbfk eats twinkies.
    come on surly guys, i'll get a second job to by one if you make it, in international safety orange too!

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    Spend some of your cash on tooling for a 31x3.0" (700x75 if you like) tire first, the Pugley wll take it.
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