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    Jabberwocky - Model Year Difference

    I'm looking in to a possible build with a used Jabberwocky frame. It looks like the frames prior to 2009 have a gusset at the down tube / head tube junction, while the 2009 model year no longer has the gusset.

    I assume the newer frame is "improved" but any opinions on the different frame types or potential cracking problems would be appreciated.

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    Not easy to see in the website pictures but there is a plate welded at the downtube/headtube junction for reinforcement on the newer frames. I've only ever seen one of these frames broken and it was at the toptube/seattube junction.

    I have one with the old style gusset and a friend of mine has a newer one with the fancy writing and the thinner gusset. Neither have had any problems whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmitharchitect
    I'm looking in to a possible build with a used Jabberwocky frame. It looks like the frames prior to 2009 have a gusset at the down tube / head tube junction, while the 2009 model year no longer has the gusset.

    I assume the newer frame is "improved" but any opinions on the different frame types or potential cracking problems would be appreciated.
    I only have two rides on my new Jabber, but I am throwing a

    The guys at Vassago are pretty cool. Why don't you email them with the question? you could also ask them about any warranty concerns you have.

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    *First Gen, small gusset, option for V-Brakes, and less tire clearance.
    *Second Gen, box gusset, option for V-Brakes has been removed, more tire clearance
    *Third Gen, current design, return to small gusset, and increased tube thickness at head tube, down tube junction.

    No changes to the geometry across all generations.

    As for warranty on a used frame, they do not warranty used frames. Their website says original owner only. That be said, I do not know of any manufacture that provides a warranty on a used frame. Though some will offer a crash replacement at a discounted price.

    If it were me, I would go brand new, it is not like they are expensive frames.

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    Offtopic:

    Another question about the Jabberwocky. On the site it says that it's only for a singlering up front. Is that because of the geo or are there just no cablestops for a front derailer?

    The geo is about the same as the Bandersnatch so I am inclined to think that it's just the stops that are not on the frame.

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    The Jabber has no cable stops or guides for anything except the rear brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiDaDunlop
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    Another question about the Jabberwocky. On the site it says that it's only for a singlering up front. Is that because of the geo or are there just no cablestops for a front derailer?

    The geo is about the same as the Bandersnatch so I am inclined to think that it's just the stops that are not on the frame.

    /offtopic

    Jabber and Bander are the same frame, one is single speed with track ends and one is geared with derailleur hanger and cable stops.

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    Thanks for claring that up.

    Hmm difficult choices...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenkins@
    The Jabber has no cable stops or guides for anything except the rear brake.
    actually first gens have cable stops for a rear derailleur.
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    i bought a used jabber last year and have had no issues. steel frames are pretty tough to break. so i wasnt too worried about it. i bought mine as a full build, and my first 29r. i figured if i rode it a year and it broke, the frames are cheap enough that i would be able to replace it and have the good to build up a new one.

    and after a year, i can honestly say that if my frame broke, i would buy another jabber in a heartbeat. i would only struggle on which color, or custom color.
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    Yes, I agree with all the comments above - the Jabberwocky is an incredible frame and design! This is the best climbing frame I have ever been on - simply awesome

    Also, you cannot beat the price

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattKHS
    actually first gens have cable stops for a rear derailleur.
    Ah, I see. Mine doesn't so I guess that verifies I have a newer one.

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    i did run a rear derailleur for the first year, as a 1x9, but this weekend went back to the SS.


    Do the newer jabbers have better routing for hydrolic lines? i have to use the silly holders, and the rear brake hose still pops out. its zipped in3 or 4 places now. just feels tacky.
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