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    Interesting SS setup porn..

    This is from a European framebuilder (Nat Weller I think his name is). Gotta love creativeness. I guess with this setup, you can bolt on a geared bike or with the right machined template, different wheelsizes (with the appropriate change in forks)...
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    The disc tabs are part of the template that bolts onto the dropouts (if you can call it that, maybe more like bolt-ons)...
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    Slidign dropouts are fairly common lately, or are these in some way different from what VooDoo, Kona and such use?
    I've also been thinking about such setups to be able to switch between wheelsizes. ...till I realized I only want one wheel size:-)
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    We're nearing production of our sliding dropout frame.

    More details here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    We're nearing production of our sliding dropout frame.

    More details here.
    why the sliding disc slots...like Bianchi, if you were going to do that I'd prefer fork ends
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    We're nearing production of our sliding dropout frame.

    More details here.
    I like it! Will it see final production and will it be available in the US in the future?

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    with the stops welded to the frame, the forces going through the dropout are much less. compare the sizes of bolts between our frame and the one above - ours are much smaller due to there not being a huge torsional load going through the frame when the brakes are applied.

    fork ends are fine, but wheel set up is fiddly when you stick your bike in the car, or whatever. This way we get to use QR's and can just slam the wheel in nice and fast.

    We're also doing it as this dropout will be offered on a SS only and a geared-frame-that-can-be-ss'd

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    Yup. One of the best examples I've seen so far is from Ground Up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    We're nearing production of our sliding dropout frame.

    More details here.
    I am totally digging the seatstay multi-port exhaust setup! VROOOOOMMM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed
    why the sliding disc slots...like Bianchi, if you were going to do that I'd prefer fork ends
    I like these sliding dropouts because I don't like chain tugs. EBBs while neat and nice, is more complex than these to design and manufacture. meaning $$ and time.

    Brant since this is a prototype, I'd like to make some comments and ask questions. I'll start with "Nice Bike!", then are the brake mounts set for 26" and 24" wheels?

    It looks like you have so many ideas so little time, the amount of new stuff coming out of On-One over the past two years is impressive for a 'small-time' company. You've hinted in one of the old threads here of a cromo stem in response to the rumour of Salsa Cycles killing the SUL cromo stems, I know you can take a big solid block of aluminium and machine holes and threads and still build a lighter and stiffer stem than a normal steel one but steel it's an obsession, is it a possiblity in the near future?
    And talking about the future, it seems that you're a pretty tall dude from the bike setup, do you feel the urge for a 29"er On-One? (whink-whink)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonowee
    "Nice Bike!"
    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by jonowee
    are the brake mounts set for 26" and 24" wheels?
    No - for 26in and 700c. Though we've actually yet to test whether it works. It's the right position for 26in, and I put a boss above them just to see. I think it might be too wide to work on narrower rims though.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonowee
    It looks like you have so many ideas so little time, the amount of new stuff coming out of On-One over the past two years is impressive for a 'small-time' company.
    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by jonowee
    You've hinted in one of the old threads here of a cromo stem in response to the rumour of Salsa Cycles killing the SUL cromo stems, I know you can take a big solid block of aluminium and machine holes and threads and still build a lighter and stiffer stem than a normal steel one but steel it's an obsession, is it a possiblity in the near future?
    I've been looking to perhaps do a lugged steel stem, as that's something that I think we could do nicely. We have a cool lug manufacturer to work with, but we've so much on right now I haven't had time to think too much about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonowee
    And talking about the future, it seems that you're a pretty tall dude from the bike setup, do you feel the urge for a 29"er On-One? (whink-whink)
    The 29er has been held up by development of this dropout and disc mount system. Now that's proved we're ready to go with those models.

    I've also spent a huge amount of time on chainstay bends lately - like many, many hours - to get something rigid, with big clearance and easy to make.

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    Brant, is this going to be a new model or a new Inbred variant, assuming you move forward with this frame that can work with 26" wheels and 700c wheels? If the latter, does someone around 5'4" who shall go unnamed have any hope of finding a frame size that fits, or are you still pretty much set that 700c/29ers are for tall folks?

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    Looks good.

    Do you think there will be space for a 36t ring in front?

    And let the biggest frame size be a little (1.5 - 2") more as the current largest frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJT
    Looks good.

    Do you think there will be space for a 36t ring in front?
    Give me the diameter of the chainring, and the chainline you want it to run on, and i'll check/fix it. I'm finalising the chainstay bend pattern this evening. I was about to send it, but send it over and I'll check your personal set up.

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    And let the biggest frame size be a little (1.5 - 2") more as the current largest frame

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    A 22in frame? How tall are you? A giant? I am 6'2" and I ride an 18in frame!
    We can make bigger, but small run is best in titanium for us (strange fact).
    We will think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinWheelz
    Brant, is this going to be a new model or a new Inbred variant,

    It's a sort of rolling test bed for:-

    1) new frame colour
    2) new dropouts
    3) new chainstays
    4) new brake mount style
    5) new geometry

    We haven't decided which of those features will make it onto existing, or new, models.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpinWheelz
    assuming you move forward with this frame that can work with 26" wheels and 700c wheels? If the latter, does someone around 5'4" who shall go unnamed have any hope of finding a frame size that fits, or are you still pretty much set that 700c/29ers are for tall folks?
    The plan at the moment is for it to work with strictly what I'd call "700c" wheels. Not true 29in wheels. ie: big cross tyres, rather than anything bigger.
    We'll throw some in there and see though. Infact, I'll get on Shiggy's site and plot some tyre profiles to see what works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    No - for 26in and 700c. Though we've actually yet to test whether it works. It's the right position for 26in, and I put a boss above them just to see. I think it might be too wide to work on narrower rims though.
    Careful, you might add fuel to bulC's fierce crusade for canti brakes.

    I've daydreamed brake mounts just like those on this protobike for 26"&29" using the brake mount bosses I saw on the current Inbreds, I prefer the clean look of the Inbred ones over say the APS system used by DMR, just that little detail to squeeze 1/4" wider tyre in.
    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    I've also spent a huge amount of time on chainstay bends lately - like many, many hours - to get something rigid, with big clearance and easy to make.
    I somewhat know what you mean, I've been wrecking my brain on ideas of how to A:Maximise tyre clearance, B: Still have decent chainring clearance and C: Not have a mega long chainstay that allows a 3" Gazza with a 44T?, Planet X gave me a few ideas for issue A but still had issue B & C to deal with... whether a steel version would work is still an imagination for me, me thinks solid steel arc or chainstay yoke in their words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonowee
    I've been wrecking my brain on ideas of how to A:Maximise tyre clearance, B: Still have decent chainring clearance and C: Not have a mega long chainstay that allows a 3" Gazza with a 44T?, Planet X gave me a few ideas for issue A but still had issue B & C to deal with... whether a steel version would work is still an imagination for me, me thinks solid steel arc or chainstay yoke in their words.
    you know I designed the planet x pitbull too?

    I did a new chainstay design yesterday that gives 3.0 Gazza clearance with a 16.75in stay and proper ring clearance. I would implement it on this frame, but apparently proper designers always keep something back for the next revision, so perhaps that's best :-)

    It's a new construction anyhow - a little plate, a little clever monkeying around... looks good on screen so far.

    What chainline for your 44t ring? It'd have to be pretty out there just to clear the tyre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    you know I designed the planet x pitbull too?

    I did a new chainstay design yesterday that gives 3.0 Gazza clearance with a 16.75in stay and proper ring clearance. I would implement it on this frame, but apparently proper designers always keep something back for the next revision, so perhaps that's best :-)

    It's a new construction anyhow - a little plate, a little clever monkeying around... looks good on screen so far.

    What chainline for your 44t ring? It'd have to be pretty out there just to clear the tyre.
    The chainline is something I think of for our gearie friends that can run the forties big ring on the outside, but middle ring for me I'd set to 38T max to work with the stays.

    Chainline, is tricky for me, a clean setup for SS/fixed, a bigish ring and a fat (too fat a) tyre for a fix/free hub where chainline is crucial, it would be easier for cassette hub. And still keeping the chainstay lenght tight to not feel like you're riding a tandem bike solo.

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    My wife's making the tea, and I'm keeping an eye on our new 11 week old twins.

    With a 50mm chainline (about standard) the biggest ring you can fit in with a bit of clearance is 81mm or thereabouts.

    Though I must say I'm not sure how many teeth that is, as I can't get to my garage right now :-)

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    that's on the new frame (conventional stays) , not the new, new frame with bits of plate.

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    Just one more thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    We're nearing production of our sliding dropout frame.

    More details here.
    How about having the bottom of the seatstay bolted to the chainstay on the rhs? Then a belt drive could be fitted.

    It's a huge potential market of at least one (me)
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    Looks good! I like the 4/5"-travel accomodating geometry.

    A friend of mine just got a Planet X Armadillo and I thought the bike would be even better if it was offered in a chronoly, SS version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    My wife's making the tea, and I'm keeping an eye on our new 11 week old twins.

    With a 50mm chainline (about standard) the biggest ring you can fit in with a bit of clearance is 81mm or thereabouts.

    Though I must say I'm not sure how many teeth that is, as I can't get to my garage right now :-)
    I think that works out to be on the safe side of a 36T or a 38T maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonowee
    I think that works out to be on the safe side of a 36T or a 38T maybe.
    That'll do.

    Just got the chainstay bend and indents sorted, so according to my drawing, and Shiggy's stats, a 3.0in Gazza should fit.

    The indents aren't TOO big, and you can always trim a little of the side knobs off to clean things up a bit more... I've done that before...

    My daughter won't sleep (it's 2:41 am here) and so now I'm on with our 29in chainstay pattern...

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Give me the diameter of the chainring, and the chainline you want it to run on, and i'll check/fix it. I'm finalising the chainstay bend pattern this evening. I was about to send it, but send it over and I'll check your personal set up.
    [email protected] so according to your previous post that will fit.


    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    A 22in frame? How tall are you? A giant? I am 6'2" and I ride an 18in frame!
    We can make bigger, but small run is best in titanium for us (strange fact).
    We will think about it.
    6'6" i guess (196 cm)...
    With a 20" frame my seat post would be 2" more exposed as it is now, so a 21.5 is the minimum for me..


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    My wife's making the tea, and I'm keeping an eye on our new 11 week old twins.
    Off thread, but here goes. congrats on the twins, mine will be 4 this summer. all your production time plus them must keep you busy..

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    Brant, can we get a full color shot of the bike? Also, what color is that and what do you call it? I'm thinking my Wily might want that shade
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