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    Im never buying another bike!

    The misery of it simply outweighs the excitement. Just got off the phone with the bike shop to see if Santa Cruz was ever going to consider actually filling an order and guess what answer comes back??? Exactly. Nothing. "you'll know as soon as we know". "should be about two weeks" "out to paint then well get things shipped"

    Is the bike industry simply immune to speaking the truth? Maybe those rules don't apply or that mfgrs and shops operate in some freakin eighth dimension where being insensitive to paying customers is actually considered best practices. Either way, what I was once excited about (and rightly so) has now deteriorated into an attitude of just wanting it to be over because I sick of all the bs. No way to start out a new relationship huh? I know many have told me to ditch the shop but I sincerely think that I cleared up the issues with them that they are responsible for.

    OK, I just needed to rant because Im so frustrated with SC. Last word was two weeks ago when I was told that they were painting my frame the middle of last week. SC usually lets the dealer know when they ship since they charge the dealer then. As of today, not a peep from them so apparently nothing has been shipped which leaves me wondering if its even been painted. I freakin doubt it. As good as the frame might be, I will never recommend that anyone order a bike from Santa Cruz. If its sitting on the shelf, whatever, but if you have to orderr, look elsewhere. Does that little bit of negative press mean squat to them? Im sure it doesn't but its all I can do while I continue to wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and.....

    9 weeks and counting for a stock hardtail. Nice, isn't it?
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    I think this is why some people consider SC as a boutique frame maker. It almost like it's a badge of honor when you have to wait any length of time to get a frame. It's almost like if SC and Ventana take the same, then surely they must be similar in quality.
    "I had to wait such and such weeks to get my frame"
    "Yeah me too dude, it took like X amount of months to get my blah blah"
    (this is in no way a knock on SC frames)
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    I don't really understand why SC can't keep them in stock. Do they sell that fast? Are they running with so little overhead that they can't order the frame from wherever it's built until they get money from a customer? I'm not ragging on them, I'm just wondering.

    FWIW, I got a tracking number for my IRO frame the day after I ordered it, and it got here in less than a week (assuming UPSMan left it at my house today).

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    Don't let it get you down

    Quote Originally Posted by namaSSte
    The misery of it simply outweighs the excitement.
    Anybody's bike buying experience can go poorly. But think of it like love -- just because you suddenly realize you've wasted your precious time with someone who wasn't right for you doesn't mean your next experience can't be the best thing that ever happened to you.

    Bikes & wimmin... ups & downs... don't ever give up. Life is what you make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus
    Bikes & wimmin... ups & downs...
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    Isn't that what life is all about?? Oh and the ins and outs are nice as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Weasel
    I think this is why some people consider SC as a boutique frame maker. It almost like it's a badge of honor when you have to wait any length of time to get a frame. It's almost like if SC and Ventana take the same, then surely they must be similar in quality.

    (this is in no way a knock on SC frames)
    OK if SC and Ventana are so similiar would you trade your Ventana for a SC? I know that I would have to decline such an offer.

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    Phase 2

    my therapist really helped me through my Curtlo wait. He gave me this chart that I posted on my 'fridge:

    1. Shock / denial
    2. Denial / anger
    3. Depression
    4. Acceptance
    5. Excitement

    after a five month wait (6 week quote), the USPS deleivery was pretty anti-climactic (insert "poor me with a custom frame" whine here). Now 4 months after delivery I have made it to Step 5. I agree that there's lots of BS out there with many of the builders, and yet we play along. If a waiter said "your food will be right out", then went home and never put the order in, there would be some sh*t goin' down that night, free meals, etc.

    that sucks. Hang in there. Hopefully you'll still be stoked about it and as time passes you'll forget about this ordeal.

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    9 weeks? That's ridiculous. Time to find a different bike.
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    DEMAND YOUR MONEY BACK, AND GIVE UP ON YOUR LBS.

    Sorry for yelling, but seriously, man, place the order elsewhere. Call Cambria or some other huge volume SC dealer and see what they've got on the shelf, and have your frame in a week. Have it built locally as necessary, but I'd steer clear of the shop you're currently being dicked around by. S
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    Upset Similar woes...

    Not exactly the same, but similar. I've been waiting for by LBS to build me my fixie wheels for over three weeks. I try to be patient, but I'm reaching a breaking point. They keep telling me they're getting right on it, and then never have it done on time, because they're so busy. To emphasize how busy they are, they told me about all the other wheel builds that have come in in the time I've been waiting, which they've done first.

    I think I've lost all priority because we're kind of friends, even though I've spent $500 in their shop in the last few months. Grrrr.

    What should I do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSSasky

    What should I do?
    vote 'em off the island. Now.

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    Do what I did.....

    "What should I do?"

    I asked for advice on this board about a year ago for a set of custom wheels and the recommendation has led to a wonderful retail partnership with the Path Bike Shop in SoCal.

    I started with a set of single speed king hubs laced to mavic hoops and they did a fantastic job in about a week. Mailed them to me and they were straight and true.

    This ended my relationship with my LBS who I thought was looking out for my best interests.... funny thing is that the bottom line is what they were looking at, nothing short of that.

    I ended up working with the men at The Path and have purchased a few high end bikes, 3 sets of wheels, and a ton of STUFF that we all end up buying. I didn't ask for a discount, but they offered to help out where they could.

    If you are spending 100's at your LBS and you are not getting the customer service you deserve, then move on. You money is green and will spend at any of 1,000's of LBS's in the USA. I would not hesitate to call BS on your deal and give Tani or Karl a call at the Path Bike Shop. They will treat you like family. Drop some coin there and you will get royal treatment.

    Hope your deal works out to your satisfaction one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Jerry
    If you are spending 100's at your LBS and you are not getting the customer service you deserve, then move on. You money is green and will spend at any of 1,000's of LBS's in the USA. I would not hesitate to call BS on your deal and give Tani or Karl a call at the Path Bike Shop. They will treat you like family. Drop some coin there and you will get royal treatment.

    Hope your deal works out to your satisfaction one way or another.

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    I second that vote for The Path. You'd never get the runaround at that shop. Tani ROCKS!
    Sorry to hear about your predicament namaSSte. I know you've been jones'n for that Chameleon for a long time. I'd see if you can locate it somewhere else first and then cancel the order with your LBS. You could've probably gotten a custom frame in about the same amount of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDizzle
    DEMAND YOUR MONEY BACK, AND GIVE UP ON YOUR LBS.

    Sorry for yelling, but seriously, man, place the order elsewhere. Call Cambria or some other huge volume SC dealer and see what they've got on the shelf, and have your frame in a week. Have it built locally as necessary, but I'd steer clear of the shop you're currently being dicked around by. S
    I can tell you from personal experience that it's probably completely out of the bike shop's hands. I had the same experience with my SC purchase. SC kept feeding the dealer with a bunch of false delivery dates. It's in paint... it'll be here in in two weeks… (heard this for 6 weeks in a row) I eventually gave up on receiving what I had ordered and settled for a different color from a shop that had my size in stock. I feel kinda bad for the shop that I originally purchased it from, the frame I ordered did eventually arrive and is still sitting on their wall waiting to sell (guess the smaller sizes don't move very fast). My shop was very cool about it and totally understood my frustration and subsequent purchase from one of their competitors. They refunded me the purchase price, no questions asked.

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    There is NO WAY in this world that I would wait for a bike that long, I don't care who made it. My time is way too precious to me to be sitting around on my butt waiting for some damn factory/shop to get around to building/painting a damn frame.

    I would go elsewhere for my bike.

    I love the Blur, but if/when I buy one, i want it yesterday !! If I can't get it that quick, i'll get something else.

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    This is the kind of situation that led me to learn how to build my own wheels. Is that an option for you? It doesn't really take a huge amount of skill, just patience and a few new tools...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowride
    I don't really understand why SC can't keep them in stock. Do they sell that fast? Are they running with so little overhead that they can't order the frame from wherever it's built until they get money from a customer? I'm not ragging on them, I'm just wondering.

    FWIW, I got a tracking number for my IRO frame the day after I ordered it, and it got here in less than a week (assuming UPSMan left it at my house today).
    Weasel, I totally am starting to think there is something to that. Badge of freakin courage. I'd gladly trade the badge in for a frame...any takers?

    Slowride, good on ya getting your frame. Get that baby built and dirt, k? Then show us some pics of her all filthy and stuff (yeah, Im still talking about the bike! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by wooglin
    9 weeks? That's ridiculous. Time to find a different bike.
    Just got word from SC that they mis-scheduled the paint that was supposed to happen last week. Now Im hearing maybe tomorrow or Monday....yeah, right. Tell ya what guys, just paint it whenever you're not busy....(yes, even my sarcasm has been suffering!)

    To tell you the truth, I'd get a different bike if I hadn't already invested so much time and anguish already. At this point, I HAVE to wait it out.

    Thanks for the empathy though, I appreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus
    Anybody's bike buying experience can go poorly. But think of it like love -- just because you suddenly realize you've wasted your precious time with someone who wasn't right for you doesn't mean your next experience can't be the best thing that ever happened to you.

    Bikes & wimmin... ups & downs... don't ever give up. Life is what you make it.

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    Sparty, THAT is really, really insightful. You're absolutely right that we can all learn from any experience, good or bad. Thanks for the perspective.

    That said though, I still want that [email protected] bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by namaSSte
    Just got word from SC that they mis-scheduled the paint that was supposed to happen last week. Now Im hearing maybe tomorrow or Monday....yeah, right. Tell ya what guys, just paint it whenever you're not busy....(yes, even my sarcasm has been suffering!)

    To tell you the truth, I'd get a different bike if I hadn't already invested so much time and anguish already. At this point, I HAVE to wait it out.

    Thanks for the empathy though, I appreciate it.
    Scott,

    Ditch the SC. Are you going to have a good feel for it when it finally does arrive? I ordered my custom steel hardtail after you did and it looks like I may get it before you. You ought to consider that option. You may be happier with the experience and then also own something that is unique to you and noone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood
    If a waiter said "your food will be right out", then went home and never put the order in, there would be some sh*t goin' down that night, free meals, etc.

    that sucks. Hang in there. Hopefully you'll still be stoked about it and as time passes you'll forget about this ordeal.

    HW
    I still waffle between stages two and three and even slip back into stage one every now and again. One thing is for sure, Im gonna ride this thing like a rented mule for all its put me through. And to think, my Blizzard has been loyal to me all along and Im going to leave her at home as soon as this new little piece of hard tail (literally in this case) gets to my house. Funny, that has a familiar ring to it, doesn't it HW??? Lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fett
    Scott,

    Ditch the SC. Are you going to have a good feel for it when it finally does arrive? I ordered my custom steel hardtail after you did and it looks like I may get it before you. You ought to consider that option. You may be happier with the experience and then also own something that is unique to you and noone else.
    You're prolly right man. I just can't imagine ditching things after waiting this long. Not so much because the SC is soooooo great that no one else could compre but because I'd kick myself for not havnig acted sooner. Im at the proverbial point of no return and the view ain't so pretty.

    Hoe yours comes soon. You interested in coming up this way after you get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by namaSSte
    You're prolly right man. I just can't imagine ditching things after waiting this long. Not so much because the SC is soooooo great that no one else could compre but because I'd kick myself for not havnig acted sooner. Im at the proverbial point of no return and the view ain't so pretty.

    Hoe yours comes soon. You interested in coming up this way after you get it?
    I would love to get out that way for a ride. Right now I am in the midst of racing season. I had my first race weekend before last and took first overall in sport, so I am pretty pumped up about the race series. I have another race on Saturday. I lost 20 lbs over the spring and am riding about the best I have ever ridden. I don't know how many longer MTB trips I am going to be able to pull off for a little while as I am going to spend alot of the weekends running off to races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtcrab
    I can tell you from personal experience that it's probably completely out of the bike shop's hands. I had the same experience with my SC purchase. SC kept feeding the dealer with a bunch of false delivery dates. It's in paint... it'll be here in in two weeks… (heard this for 6 weeks in a row) I eventually gave up on receiving what I had ordered and settled for a different color from a shop that had my size in stock. I feel kinda bad for the shop that I originally purchased it from, the frame I ordered did eventually arrive and is still sitting on their wall waiting to sell (guess the smaller sizes don't move very fast). My shop was very cool about it and totally understood my frustration and subsequent purchase from one of their competitors. They refunded me the purchase price, no questions asked.
    SDizzle, I hold you personally accountable for all of this anyway. If hadn't come around here, posting your pics of your Lizard, talkin all your smack about how great it is, upgrading parts, fancy headtube badge and all.....curse you man, curse you! lol!


    Dirtcrab, I think you're right too. I want to blame it on someone and they are the closest target. Still, it really isn't their fault entirely. What I would like to see from them is some [email protected] in approaching Sc on the issue. At least go to bat for me and get something done! Seems like the only one who is expected to deal with it is me. Glad to hear your situation worked out in the end though. Good karma lihe that is usually recirculated so Ill keep my eyes out for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSSasky
    Not exactly the same, but similar. I've been waiting for by LBS to build me my fixie wheels for over three weeks. I try to be patient, but I'm reaching a breaking point. They keep telling me they're getting right on it, and then never have it done on time, because they're so busy. To emphasize how busy they are, they told me about all the other wheel builds that have come in in the time I've been waiting, which they've done first.

    I think I've lost all priority because we're kind of friends, even though I've spent $500 in their shop in the last few months. Grrrr.

    What should I do?
    That really blows man. My frame was bought at a friend's shop and I know what you mean. Im really thinking its best to just not do biz with friends for a lot of reasons. Hope you get those fixies back and soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fett
    I would love to get out that way for a ride. Right now I am in the midst of racing season. I had my first race weekend before last and took first overall in sport, so I am pretty pumped up about the race series. I have another race on Saturday. I lost 20 lbs over the spring and am riding about the best I have ever ridden. I don't know how many longer MTB trips I am going to be able to pull off for a little while as I am going to spend alot of the weekends running off to races.
    maybe we can coordinate the weekend around a race then...theres a 12hr at Vultures Knob on the 29th....great base mileage for the season...
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    I've got an even better idea...pull out of both involved factions, map the geometry of the Chameleon you're thinking of buying (size, etc), and have one built at Ground Up Cycles in Co Springs. I saw some of their work yesterday, and it was amazing. In-house sliding dropouts, five-sided downtube, Spectrum paint...the list goes on. Suffice it to say, that's the way I'm going with my next "Chameleon" - it's going to be steel and custom!

    I'd guarantee you a shorter wait time, but at a $200 premium at least...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDizzle
    I've got an even better idea...pull out of both involved factions, map the geometry of the Chameleon you're thinking of buying (size, etc), and have one built at Ground Up Cycles in Co Springs. I saw some of their work yesterday, and it was amazing. In-house sliding dropouts, five-sided downtube, Spectrum paint...the list goes on. Suffice it to say, that's the way I'm going with my next "Chameleon" - it's going to be steel and custom!

    I'd guarantee you a shorter wait time, but at a $200 premium at least...
    \

    that sounds flat out sick! $200 doens't seem like much of a premium for that kind of work. thanks for pointing them out regardless of what I do.
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    I say that a bike shop should try to do something about this. My shop has quite a few SC frames in different sizes just hanging around. A shop should keep a good stock so the customer doesnt have to wait. If I wanted a bike I would expect to get it the the day I went in to the shop. Or if not then, then within a week at the most considering shipping. I do think that SC should try to speed up production though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDizzle
    I've got an even better idea...pull out of both involved factions, map the geometry of the Chameleon you're thinking of buying (size, etc), and have one built at Ground Up Cycles in Co Springs. I saw some of their work yesterday, and it was amazing. In-house sliding dropouts, five-sided downtube, Spectrum paint...the list goes on. Suffice it to say, that's the way I'm going with my next "Chameleon" - it's going to be steel and custom!

    I'd guarantee you a shorter wait time, but at a $200 premium at least...
    Kinda like this?

    <img src="https://spectrumpowderworks.com/images/bikes/Powdercoat/rp0142c.jpg">
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    Quote Originally Posted by namaSSte
    \

    that sounds flat out sick! $200 doens't seem like much of a premium for that kind of work. thanks for pointing them out regardless of what I do.
    I can't even tell you how purdy this frame was. Curved seat stays, cnc'd sliding dropouts, worked seat collar, two-tone baby-blue and orange, etc... The list goes on. A purdy rider for a purdy bike, too. Even when she passed me.

    Maybe she'll chime in with a photo? (nipp?)
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    here's some cheese...



    to go with your whine!

    rode my SS SC again this morning. if you would have canceled with your BS-LBS way back when and just mail ordered one from someone who had 'em in stock you'd be riding now.

    i hope you get it straightened out and then never shop at your L-BS again. they don't deserve your business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eSSq


    to go with your whine!

    rode my SS SC again this morning. if you would have canceled with your BS-LBS way back when and just mail ordered one from someone who had 'em in stock you'd be riding now.

    i hope you get it straightened out and then never shop at your L-BS again. they don't deserve your business.
    [email protected]! how can you taunt me like that - you know I hate brie! seriously, I know you'r right but I will say that I straightened things out with the shop and despite the early screw up and poor communication, things have been ok since (even got a proactive call from them this week). Seems to me that, in the end, 90% of this is a SC issue and my problem came from ordering a frame rather than just finding someone who had one hanging on a wall to buy ( or stealing one after putting a beat down on some smart azz with a nice new Chameleon and a hunk of brie! )

    glad to hear you're diggin yours though. Im hoping I have an email from SC on Monday with a tracking #. fingers crossed.

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    yeah, right...

    Quote Originally Posted by namaSSte
    ( or stealing one after putting a beat down on some smart azz with a nice new Chameleon and a hunk of brie! )
    mine would be too big for you!
    hope you get your frame soon - it will have been worth the wait.

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