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    I hope you undertand ...

    Ok, I spent a fortune for this, but hope that you guys understand. My moots ebb ybb ss is in. The first one built by them. Here are the pictures. It is built for 100mm fork around size 18 with 23.1 TT and 28.6 diameter ST for stiffness. I do not have a picture of the built bike - did not have time to do it, but it is built with moots post, stem and riser, king HS and disk ss hubs on bonty tuebless rims, 2002 xtr bb and 180mm cranks with 35t spot spiderless, fox F100x and hope minis. I have kept the cable guides for rear der in case I would want to run 1X9 some day. The der hanger is replacebale. I did 1 ride on this thing - well, it is great, fits me better than my spot, also very smooth on roots and rocks and climbs well. The best part is that it is very, very good on tight singletrack - the best bike I have own so far for that. The suspension helps climbing too. It is around 5 lbs - I do not have scales, so just a comparison with other bikes I own. The total built feels like it is 23-24 lbs. From this year they use new dropout design, as you can see on the picture. The ebb design is typical moots, if you own their stuff - the shell is very tight inside and I have had hard time rotating it there - however there is no room for dirt. The coin trick helps as always. Anyway, enjoy. D
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    Good job!

    um. speechless.

    whoa.




    show some complete pics, ey?
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    <Beavis> Boooiiinnnggg!!!!

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    Wow! Very nice indeedly-do....

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    You didn't decide to go S&S in the end?

    Looks very nice.

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    I understand

    I understand.

    What's your address and what times of day are you not at home?
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    welds!!!

    those are gorgeous!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by poff
    Ok, I spent a fortune for this, D
    You just bought my dream bike. Please contact me directly if you need to sell it!!
    I ride a YBB SS, but with an ENO eccentric and it is awesome. Having the EccBB on there is just the tits.
    And the terralogic fork sounds perfect...
    oh, and CK and discs? sure!
    and just have moots make the rest of the goodies, thank you.

    Lots of nice rides around, but that is exactly the ride I would spec (with S&S couplers) if money were no object.

    The only problem with my YBB with ENO is that it will never die! Knock on wood. Yours should provide many many years of miles and smiles.
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    I understand completely:)

    Quote Originally Posted by poff
    Ok, I spent a fortune for this, but hope that you guys understand. My moots ebb ybb ss is in. The first one built by them. Here are the pictures. It is built for 100mm fork around size 18 with 23.1 TT and 28.6 diameter ST for stiffness. I do not have a picture of the built bike - did not have time to do it, but it is built with moots post, stem and riser, king HS and disk ss hubs on bonty tuebless rims, 2002 xtr bb and 180mm cranks with 35t spot spiderless, fox F100x and hope minis. I have kept the cable guides for rear der in case I would want to run 1X9 some day. The der hanger is replacebale. I did 1 ride on this thing - well, it is great, fits me better than my spot, also very smooth on roots and rocks and climbs well. The best part is that it is very, very good on tight singletrack - the best bike I have own so far for that. The suspension helps climbing too. It is around 5 lbs - I do not have scales, so just a comparison with other bikes I own. The total built feels like it is 23-24 lbs. From this year they use new dropout design, as you can see on the picture. The ebb design is typical moots, if you own their stuff - the shell is very tight inside and I have had hard time rotating it there - however there is no room for dirt. The coin trick helps as always. Anyway, enjoy. D
    What you have there is one of the finest riding machine. Congrats and enjoy the beautiful ride.

    <CENTER><img src="http://www.wam.umd.edu/~asantos/ride/DSCN0075%20copy.jpg "BORDER=2></CENTER><P><b>Yup, I understand completely the allure of owning a moots.</b>

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    Thanks!

    <b>Yup, I understand completely the allure of owning a moots.</b>

    I do too, this is the third moots in the family - my wife has a mootaineer and I have a mootaineer too. This is going to be my main ride - I do not need gears anymore.

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    Hey, jh

    As one Penn alumni to another - get one. I was thinking about S&S - but moots charges insane $$$ for them, like 1,100 bones. Total for the frame would be way above 4K. I can afford that, but it was too much, even 7 charges 550 for those. I can live with a box if I need to travel. Anyway, I plan to travel with my spot for some time.

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    God Damn!

    thats mighty purty.

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    Ddaaammmmnnnn Soooo Coooooolll Bbbbbbeeeeeaaaaaannnnnnnnnsssssss
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    It's safe to say that Ti turns most of us on.

    Mm... sexy, sexy titanium (drool....)


    Eventhough Moots know their stuff and can design the best damn EBB softail the way it should be. But there are is one concept I can't get over, how do you maintain the same chain tension on a SS softail? (Even if the travel is approx. 1")

    For some weird reason I just want to lick the Ti.

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    doesen't the travel in the rear end make SS problematic? are you using a chain tensioner? I ask 'cause i'd like to turn a Scalpel soft tail into an SS, but don't want to go the tensioner route.

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    beautiful bike, but....

    ...that seems like a lot of load for two M6 (guessing) bolts to hold. Especially since they have to keep the flexing chainstays from opening up the bb. As that rear suspension flexes the bolts are gonna see more or less the same load as the rear chain stays. They should be able to handle it, but they better be the right bolts and be perfectly torqued or there's gonna be trouble. Cylinderhead-quality bolts always mounted with a torque wrench should be the minimum installation requirements.

    Has anyone else successfully used a similar design?

    I assume the moots fellows thought long and hard about this, in fact, I hope to god they triple checked what size/grade/torque they needed for those bolts. If they took as much care with their designing as they do with their welding, you'll be fine.

    You can flame away if this already a dead horse, but realize I am not bashing moots just asking a question. I too will own a moots one day and this one looks the ideal moots to own.

    Again, gorgeous bike. I always loved moots.

    BTW: Guys asking about rear wheel travel and SS problems: No. There should be no problem. The principle behind the ybb means that the chainstay length doesn't change (or at least shouldn't drastically change) during suspension travel. Look at the picture there is no pivot. The dropouts and BB are attached to each other just like any hardtail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuffer
    BTW: Guys asking about rear wheel travel and SS problems: No. Ther should be no problem. The principle behind the ybb means that the chainstay length doesn't change (or at least shouldn't drastically change) during suspension travel. Look at the picture there is no pivot. The dropouts and BB are attached to each other just like any hardtail.
    Thanks for clearing that up chuffer, with that new info now I understand that softtail 'pivot' along the chainstay (and maybe the seatstay) instead of a normal suspension setup where most suspension designs that pivot on the main triangle where it 'could' be susceptible to chain shortening or lenghtening.

    Got to love softtails for be so simple but very effective.

    On the note of Ti I wouldn't mind a DEAN Baja 4.0 FS... 4" BB centre travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poff
    As one Penn alumni to another - get one. I was thinking about S&S - but moots charges insane $$$ for them, like 1,100 bones. Total for the frame would be way above 4K. I can afford that, but it was too much, even 7 charges 550 for those. I can live with a box if I need to travel. Anyway, I plan to travel with my spot for some time.
    How do you know where I went to college? I guess it's on the internet. Yup, UPenn '95, only titanium for us Ivy Leaguers... I hear you on the cost of the S&S couplers. I long for the day when someone comes up with an economical solution for people who like to travel with their bikes. $1100 gets you alot of bike rentals or just pay to bring your bike, if they catch it. The big problem is lack of quality bike rentals in many places.

    Again, I have to say that your bike is just fantastic. With the way you have built it, it will take a long time to 'go out of style' or become obsolete or break. You paid an ungodly amount for a bicycle, but now you can put away the credit card and go ride for long time.

    I hope to see that bike out on the trail someday. Drop a note if you ever find yourself on Cape Cod.
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    NICE. Be careful with the ti-ti interfaces... it would really suck hard to have a stuck post.

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    Red & Blue

    Wow three Penn alumni single speeders posting in one forum. Anyone else???

    By the way, that is one of the most beautiful frames I've ever seen. Holy smokey.
    now the world is gone i'm just o n e

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    Sweet

    Quote Originally Posted by poff
    Ok, I spent a fortune for this, but hope that you guys understand. My moots ebb ybb ss is in...I did 1 ride on this thing - well, it is great, fits me better than my spot, also very smooth on roots and rocks and climbs well. The best part is that it is very, very good on tight singletrack - the best bike I have own so far for that...typical moots, if you own their stuff...D
    that's funny, i've got Spot and Moots SS's, too. (i love both!) my moots is a hardtail, though. congratulations on gettting your dream bike. the boys in steamboat are great to work with - they take their time...but they do it right.

    hope that you enjoy it for many, many years.
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    Hey, jh

    We have had some conversations before - so I know you are Penn grad as well as that you have switched to the dark MIT side.

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    Wink Ok, I got no torquing instructions from moots,

    [QUOTE=chuffer]...that seems like a lot of load for two M6 (guessing) bolts to hold. Especially since they have to keep the flexing chainstays from opening up the bb. As that rear suspension flexes the bolts are gonna see more or less the same load as the rear chain stays. They should be able to handle it, but they better be the right bolts and be perfectly torqued or there's gonna be trouble. Cylinderhead-quality bolts always mounted with a torque wrench should be the minimum installation requirements.

    but I will find out....

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    Ok, here is moots's reply

    Quote Originally Posted by chuffer
    ...that seems like a lot of load for two M6 (guessing) bolts to hold. Especially since they have to keep the flexing chainstays from opening up the bb. As that rear suspension flexes the bolts are gonna see more or less the same load as the rear chain stays. They should be able to handle it, but they better be the right bolts and be perfectly torqued or there's gonna be trouble. Cylinderhead-quality bolts always mounted with a torque wrench should be the minimum installation requirements.

    Has anyone else successfully used a similar design?

    I assume the moots fellows thought long and hard about this, in fact, I hope to god they triple checked what size/grade/torque they needed for those bolts. If they took as much care with their designing as they do with their welding, you'll be fine.

    You can flame away if this already a dead horse, but realize I am not bashing moots just asking a question. I too will own a moots one day and this one looks the ideal moots to own.

    Again, gorgeous bike. I always loved moots.

    BTW: Guys asking about rear wheel travel and SS problems: No. There should be no problem. The principle behind the ybb means that the chainstay length doesn't change (or at least shouldn't drastically change) during suspension travel. Look at the picture there is no pivot. The dropouts and BB are attached to each other just like any hardtail.
    The short answer is just go and ride. The longer answer is that we have been messing with this on a softail for a couple of years, including bikes that were fully loaded for touring. A couple things to note, the bolts we use are the highest grade bolt we can buy in a dachromate plated 6X1 threading, (straight from Italy). By keeping the tolerances tight we feel we keep the stress on the whole unit to a minimum. The elasticity of the ti helps the situation and the fact the bolt in in tension and not being sheered makes a difference. Seen the truck commercial where they pick the entire truck up by one relatively small bolt? Keep them snugged up and ride it. Believe me we don't want to see it come back. [email protected]

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    lol @ striker.

    And congrats on the bike. Absolutely fantastic welds, it looks as if the tubes have been sewn together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poff
    The short answer is just go and ride. The longer answer is that we have been messing with this on a softail for a couple of years, including bikes that were fully loaded for touring. A couple things to note, the bolts we use are the highest grade bolt we can buy in a dachromate plated 6X1 threading, (straight from Italy). By keeping the tolerances tight we feel we keep the stress on the whole unit to a minimum. The elasticity of the ti helps the situation and the fact the bolt in in tension and not being sheered makes a difference. Seen the truck commercial where they pick the entire truck up by one relatively small bolt? Keep them snugged up and ride it. Believe me we don't want to see it come back. [email protected]
    I agree with everything butch said. It will prolly be just fine.

    That said, I am just pretty anal about stuff like this and I dont think it would have broken the budget or the schedule to have someone run a quick back of the envelope calculation just to see how much tension the bolt needs to have to make sure you dont wind up with troubles.

    Again, stunning bike. Go ride it just like Butch said. Don't worry about internet speculators like myself.
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    Good job!

    Moots bikes still leave me drooling every time I see one..

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    OK. It's been 4 weeks. Post pics of the complete bike, please.
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