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    help me out

    I SSed all last fall on a enoized litespeed. Loved it.

    I've been riding most of this year on a 1x9 29er, and there is no chance I'll ever go back to 26" wheels. I've made up my mind that I will have a 29" SS by fall.

    I've also come to realize that I cannot live without disk brakes. I've read a lot of posts about people having issues getting their rear wheel out without loosening the caliper and what not. Sounds like a royal pain. I know there are a ton of horizontal dropout options, some with issues and some without, and I've love to have a strictly SS frame, but would I be better off with verticals and a tensioner? Trying to avoid EBB. Not a fan, but I have no experience with em, so I'll take your thoughts on them too I guess.

    Share some thoughts please.
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    F no on the tensioner! Front disc, rear V... dilemma solved.

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    No V's

    The story goes....I had a new set of king classics laced to 517's. I rode them for two years. Two 24 hour races, one 101 miler. Maybe one other small race but not a lot more miles on em. After two years, the sidewalls are damn near gone on the rims. The mud/grit at snowshoe, wv may have had something to do with it, or it may have been the natural result of slowing down my 200+lbs arse on a lot of steep hills.

    I know 517's are the greatest, but damn. After two years, I have a perfectly true wheel I'd be scared to ride. So I say to hell with V-brakes. I loved em when they came out...even thought for awhile that I'd never go disc, but now that I have, I'll never go back. Avid mechanicals are a dream.

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    Sounds like your choice is either EBB or sliding dropouts... they both work fine... pick one.

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    Ebb

    IMO EBB is the way to go. Both types I have used, set screw and pinch-bolt types, have been maintance free other than a little greasing here and there. It combines easy tensoining with disc brakes. Your other option is running a mullet (disc in the front and v-brakes in the rear).
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    I run avid BB7 on a horizontal dropout frame. no worries removing the back wheel.

    tensioning the chain takes some practice and TLC. make sure you use a SS chain (like KMC Z610HX) to minimize the stretch and have a half link available to reduce the (actual) amount that you need to tug the rear wheel.
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    Many choices...

    I have an ebb 29er frame that works VERY well with a disc brake. I also have a horizontal dropout 26er SS with a disc mount on the chainstay, that works well enough (needs a bit of TLC). And I have a standard der. hanger 29er frame with a disc brake that works VERY well with a Rennen Rollenlager push-up style chain tensioner.

    The Rennen is the best design I have ever used. Check it out; it is $50 and very quiet. You may be able to make your own with a $10 MRP chainguide tire and your own alum. plate, bent and drilled appropriately.

    I once had a Van Dessel Buzz Bomb 29er frame with sliding rear drops for disc, and it worked very well.

    I would really like to try a White Bros. disc ENO eccentric hub/brakeset; I reckon that'd be the ticket. Like you, I have a rim brake ENO eccentric 29er wheel that is really great (mine limited only by the inner width of the Mavic Open rim it is laced up with).

    Good luck Nzumbi. BTW, great pics and story from Lodi! I tried that one solo a few years ago. I finished, asleep in my car.
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    Another option

    Speaking from the fringe perspective...

    Flip that Eno around, get yourself a lockring, and use your legs as the brakes.

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    curious

    Is there a non-custom, steel, 29" frame out there, at a reasonable price, that has an ebb or paragon sliders? Those sliders look wicked nice.

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    Yeah, check out a Voodoo Dambala.

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    thanks...

    Quote Originally Posted by mordecai
    Yeah, check out a Voodoo Dambala.
    I was just looking through all the old posts for Dambala info. Looks like a nice option. Probably need a powder coat after 2 years or so, but otherwise it looks nice.

    thanks.

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    I was eye ballin' it myself. Funny you should say I was thinking of orange.

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    Did you ride last night Blum?

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    I had a similar problem with 517's (217's...etc.). Sometimes going through a rim in as little as a year.

    Two tricks to gaining longevity...

    Use brakes less.
    Get ceramic coated rims. Last set lasted well over 4 years and lost it's life prematurely to a hidden curb while hopping snow banks.

    Otherwise... as already pointed out, EBB or sliding drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mordecai
    Did you ride last night Blum?
    Yup. We did up Merryman's. It was a blast!

    You?

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    Nah. I wish. Did you guys do the whole loop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mordecai
    Nah. I wish. Did you guys do the whole loop?
    Yeah. It was real nice. We even did a few optional loops to backtrack and hit as much of the good singletrack as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzumbi
    Is there a non-custom, steel, 29" frame out there, at a reasonable price, that has an ebb or paragon sliders? Those sliders look wicked nice.
    Maybe the new Soma frame?

    The stat on their website that it will be usable as a ss or a geared bike. The picture of the prototype bike shows it has disk brakes. It does not look like it has sliders, so the only other option would be an EBB (edit: or dropouts like the surly KM, maybe this wasn't helpful).

    http://www.somafab.com/somanews.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzumbi
    The story goes....I had a new set of king classics laced to 517's. I rode them for two years. Two 24 hour races, one 101 miler. Maybe one other small race but not a lot more miles on em. After two years, the sidewalls are damn near gone on the rims. The mud/grit at snowshoe, wv may have had something to do with it, or it may have been the natural result of slowing down my 200+lbs arse on a lot of steep hills.

    I know 517's are the greatest, but damn. After two years, I have a perfectly true wheel I'd be scared to ride. So I say to hell with V-brakes. I loved em when they came out...even thought for awhile that I'd never go disc, but now that I have, I'll never go back. Avid mechanicals are a dream.

    no Vs, no EBB... the solution is custom, with a chainstay length for your perfect gear (that you will never change).

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    Hey Nzumbi, any update?

    What did you end up doing? Did you get a custom frame?

    I found this post searching for "paragon disk droupouts". I'm VERY new to SS, but I want to get a custom frame that can take both SS and a Rohloff Speedhub with disk brakes, and no EBB.

    Any new knowledge you could share?

    Thanks.

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    nope, sorry

    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    What did you end up doing? Did you get a custom frame?

    I found this post searching for "paragon disk droupouts". I'm VERY new to SS, but I want to get a custom frame that can take both SS and a Rohloff Speedhub with disk brakes, and no EBB.

    Any new knowledge you could share?

    Thanks.
    Still riding only one bike. The Financial Department didn't allow me to pick up the second frame like I had planned. I did end up needing an SS for an endurance race though, so I threw a tensioner on the Walt. At first I wanted a Rollenlager, but it turns out they don't work with breezer drops, but then Speedgoat put the Soulcraft Convert on sale for ~$50, and I couldn't say no.



    Feels a tad silly riding a custom frame with a tensioner on it, but honestly, I love the setup. Getting the wheel on and off is a snap. Changing gears is simple. And I'm still running discs. At this point, I may never own a dedicated SS frame. Hell, I may never own another frame at all. Keepin it simple.

    For an SS with discs and no EBB, you'll be running sliders or a tensioner or the perferct gear (good luck). Jeff Jones is working on some sliding chainstays, but that might never come to market. I don't know jack about the Rohloff or what it needs, but I do seem to recall someone saying the Rohloff doesn't work with a tensioner. Walt is building with paragons now, I believe.

    Good Luck.

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