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    EBB vs. ENO eccentric?

    I'm looking at building up my first SS. The frame I'm interested in has vertical drop outs and comes w/wo an EBB. Seems to me the ENO eccentric hub has big advantages over an EBB (frame weight, easy access for adjustment, maintenance, etc.) but wtf do I know, I don't have any experience with either one...So I thought I'd ask the experts. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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    Converting gearie frame = ENO eccentric
    SS specific frame w/vert dropouts = EBB or sliding dropouts

    ESPECIALLY if you are running disc brakes.

    The ENO hub works great and is a jewel of a bike part but you still have to adjust the chain tension every time you remove the wheel.

    With an EBB it is set and forget unless you change gearing or the chain wears.
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    Agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Converting gearie frame = ENO eccentric
    SS specific frame w/vert dropouts = EBB or sliding dropouts

    ESPECIALLY if you are running disc brakes.

    The ENO hub works great and is a jewel of a bike part but you still have to adjust the chain tension every time you remove the wheel.

    With an EBB it is set and forget unless you change gearing or the chain wears.
    I run a SS with the ENO hub and while it is a great way to convert a geared bike to SS, it sure would not be a practical choice for a SS specific frame. The first time you have to fix a flat out on the trail, between having to carry a 19mm wrench to adjust chain tension and all the other reasons that Shiggy mentioned, I do not know why anyone would not run a EBB. For me, the extra weight would be worth the headaches it eliminates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSpitler
    I'm looking at building up my first SS. The frame I'm interested in has vertical drop outs and comes w/wo an EBB. Seems to me the ENO eccentric hub has big advantages over an EBB (frame weight, easy access for adjustment, maintenance, etc.) but wtf do I know, I don't have any experience with either one...So I thought I'd ask the experts. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
    not sure which frame it is you are referring to but as another person building up their first real SS, I was interested in getting an EBB but only a good one. My understanding is that there are definitely differences in quality/weight/etc. which of course makes sense to me. As such, I opted for a frame that came with a Phil Wood EBB which gives me the piece of mind of having the EBB but having one that will be less prone to creaking and other potential issues related to EBBs.

    my 2 cents.

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    Another advantage of an EBB

    Is the ability to change your BB position front/back or up/down. My pinch bolt style ebb has 8mm of adjustment.
    I am much happier with the ebb over the horizontal dropouts on my first SS. It makes rear wheel removals much easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinsNeedles
    It makes rear wheel removals much easier.
    Even easier if you remember to carry your wrench!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianU
    having to carry a 19mm wrench to adjust chain tension
    Eh? I just carry a hex wrench and can easily turn the eccentric axle end by hand... no wrench needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosty
    Eh? I just carry a hex wrench and can easily turn the eccentric axle end by hand... no wrench needed.
    I think he means for adjusting the ENO, not the EBB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    I think he means for adjusting the ENO, not the EBB.
    I was also talking about adjusting an ENO.

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    Thanks for response. I'm looking at the Ventana el toro, same frame as the el chiquillo. I rode my buddy's toro and fell in love with it and SS'ing. Not sure what brand of ebb but I'm pretty sure it's front/back adjustment.
    Last edited by JSpitler; 05-10-2005 at 12:20 AM.

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    My $0.04

    Quote Originally Posted by JSpitler
    Thanks for response. I'm looking at the Ventana el toro, same frame as the el chiquillo. I rode my buddy's toro and fell in love with it and SS'ing. Not sure what brand of ebb but I'm pretty sure it's front/back adjustment.
    Before I depart for my ride to the office on my fixie ENOized Guerciotti, let me just say that you can choose the best option for you. ENO or EBB.

    With ENO, you can rotate the axle with your fingers enough to get the tension you need, or you can also experiment with rations to get it tight the 1st time. With ENO, you don't need to remove crank arms to adjust it.

    Also, ENO comes in disc option with an equally eccentric disc brake caliper.

    Ok, gotta ride 17 fixed miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSpitler
    Thanks for response. I'm looking at the Ventana el toro, same frame as the el chiquillo. I rode my buddy's toro and fell in love with it and SS'ing. Not sure what brand of ebb but I'm pretty sure it's front/back adjustment.
    I have owned quite a few SS and now own three with EBBs. I would reccommend the EBB over the rest. It makes life much easier when it comes to maintenence as the other posters have already commented on. I have never had any noises or problems with any of my EBB frames, steel or aluminum. I also never had to take a crank arm off to adjust any of them. Also, the El Toro is an awesome single speed. I love mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    With ENO, you don't need to remove crank arms to adjust it.
    Huh? You don't have to remove cranks to adjust an EBB either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    Before I depart for my ride to the office on my fixie ENOized Guerciotti, let me just say that you can choose the best option for you. ENO or EBB.

    With ENO, you can rotate the axle with your fingers enough to get the tension you need, or you can also experiment with rations to get it tight the 1st time. With ENO, you don't need to remove crank arms to adjust it.
    I don't know about the other styles, but I do not have to remove the cranks to adjust chain tension on my Hunter with pinch-bolt stlye EBB. I have been VERY happy with the EBB so far, and would never buy another SS frame without one, especially since I have fallen in love with discs as well!

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    Thanks Shiggy

    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Even easier if you remember to carry your wrench!
    Next race I'll bring two tubes and a wrench to get that rear hub off...
    I didn't plan on running a marathon in the mud carrying and pushing my 25lb. bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinsNeedles
    Next race I'll bring two tubes and a wrench to get that rear hub off...
    I didn't plan on running a marathon in the mud carrying and pushing my 25lb. bike...
    And I will remember to keep my pedals tight.

    BTW you are the bikemecca cover boy.
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    Yeah Shiggy,

    I should be a model,
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinsNeedles
    I should be a model,
    Tall, thin, good looking and DUMB
    Before the flats:
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