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    The difference between "rigid" and "fully rigid"

    There is no difference.

    No need to say fully rigid.
    A bike with a suspension fork is called a hardtail.
    A bike with a shock* is called a full suspension bike, unless someone is dumb enough to put a rigid fork on a FS frame.

    Nobody would do that, so let's not even go there.
    But if they did it'd be called a hard front.
    Yeah, that's why you've never heard of one.
    Nobody's that dumb.

    Let's review:
    [] Rigid
    [] Hardtail
    [] Full suspension

    "Fully rigid" is redundant.
    Whew... thanks for tuning in.
    Needed to get that off my chest.
    Another beer, please. {burp}

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    *Coming up in lesson #2: the difference between a suspension fork and a shock.
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    don't forget the soft tails..

    and what category would the rigid bikes with suspension stem and seatpost fall??
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    Rigid fork+Rigid frame+Suspension seatpost=Rigid

    Rigid fork+Rigid frame+Rigid seatpost=Full Rigid

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBass_ View Post

    Rigid fork+Rigid frame+Rigid seatpost=Full Rigid
    how about

    rigid fork + rigid frame + suspension seat??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    There is no difference.

    No need to say fully rigid.
    A bike with a suspension fork is called a hardtail.
    A bike with a shock* is called a full suspension bike, unless someone is dumb enough to put a rigid fork on a FS frame.

    Nobody would do that, so let's not even go there.
    But if they did it'd be called a hard front.
    Yeah, that's why you've never heard of one.
    Nobody's that dumb.

    Let's review:
    [] Rigid
    [] Hardtail
    [] Full suspension

    "Fully rigid" is redundant.
    Whew... thanks for tuning in.
    Needed to get that off my chest.
    Another beer, please. {burp}

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    *Coming up in lesson #2: the difference between a suspension fork and a shock.
    Hint: there IS a difference this time.

    Redundant and repetitive. A fully rigid unsuspended two wheel pedal bicycle.

    Though there were many suspension frames with rigid forks in the '80s and early '90s. First the small builders then Offroad (Girvin/aproFlex/K2) sold them as did Cannondale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishcreek View Post
    how about

    rigid fork + rigid frame + suspension seat??
    No change in terminology -- the labels above apply.
    "Suspension" stems, seatposts & saddles are called "comfort accessories."
    A "softtail" is a full suspension bike, just one without much travel.

    Next question.

    {burp}

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishcreek View Post
    how about

    rigid fork + rigid frame + suspension seat??
    Rigid bike, with a suspension post.
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    Fully rigid would be with an erection......

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    I can't believe that I have used the term "full or fully rigid" in the past. Now, I stand corrected!!

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    Well then, by Sparti's logic, we need to change full suspension and FS to just suspension and S because we all know that a front suspension only is a hard tail or HT. For that matter, we could just call it a tail or T since we would know a tail has front suspension and a rigid doesn't. vrrrrrrrrrt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    Fully rigid would be with an erection......
    So fully rigid and and a soft tail would work nicely together, yes?

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    Fully rigid only apply if your bike doesn't use rubber/air pressure tire or your knee and elbow doesn't have hinge*.

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    This reminds me of a bike ride.

    Most of my bikes are fully rigid until I go for a rigid rear and a front shock during the summers.

    This thread reminds me of the threads started (mostly by me) for people to use the search function and read the FAQ. Nice to read and all, but won't change a damned thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
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    A bike with a shock* is called a full suspension bike, unless someone is dumb enough to put a rigid fork on a FS frame.

    Nobody would do that, so let's not even go there.
    But if they did it'd be called a hard front.
    <snip>.
    wth is a hardfront...? a bike with a shock and a rigid fork should be called a hardhead.

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    A friend of mine races X-Terras. To get ready for that season he'll do a few XC races. One race he showed up on a Specialized Epic with a rigid fork.

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    Fully Rigid is Viagra hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    Fully rigid would be with an erection......
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    Allow me to stir the pot by simplifying the taxonomy further: rigid and weak.

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    This reminds me of the dinglespeed thread in which Sparty apologized for trolling, although I do share his disdain for redundancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbryant2 View Post
    This reminds me of the dinglespeed thread in which Sparty apologized for trolling, although I do share his disdain for redundancy.
    I still lose sleep over that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godless Communist View Post
    Allow me to stir the pot by simplifying the taxonomy further: rigid and weak.
    That, sir, is simply uncalled for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    A bike with a shock* is called a full suspension bike, unless someone is dumb enough to put a rigid fork on a FS frame.

    Nobody would do that, so let's not even go there.
    But if they did it'd be called a hard front.
    Yeah, that's why you've never heard of one.
    Nobody's that dumb.
    KHS was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godless Communist View Post
    Allow me to stir the pot by simplifying the taxonomy further: rigid and weak.
    Also: slow and fast.

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    Ummm..............so yer saying a rigid bike isn't a hardtail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    There is no difference.

    That's NOT what she said!

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    I haven't read but Sparty's first post so if this has been mentioned please ignore...but what would you call a bike with a suspension fork, rear shock, suspension seatpost, and one of those vintage suspension stems? A fully full suspension? or just stupid?

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    I need rep power, so let me influence the angry mob here in exchange for rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    I haven't read but Sparty's first post so if this has been mentioned please ignore...but what would you call a bike with a suspension fork, rear shock, suspension seatpost, and one of those vintage suspension stems? A fully full suspension? or just stupid?
    The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.

    Next question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicmtbr View Post
    I need rep power, so let me influence the angry mob here in exchange for rep.

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    Upped yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Upped yours.

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    Hey Sparty up my repz pleaze

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    Hey Sparty up my repz pleaze
    Upped yers.

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    I still don't get this rep thing...I don't see any upped rep for me

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    How do I know who sent me rep if they don't say in the comment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    How do I know who sent me rep if they don't say in the comment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    ...but what would you call a bike with a suspension fork, rear shock, suspension seatpost, and one of those vintage suspension stems? A fully full suspension? or just stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Heavy.
    As in "Whoa, Doc! This is heavy!"?
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    Shiggy - I will rep you with my awesome level 8 rep power if you can get On One to make a batch of some rigid steel forks (specifically 26" in Moss Green). My wife's bike is unrideable until I get a fork. And not just any fork, but a matching fork for her MG Inbred.

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    How's about
    Steel or Ti fork and frame and tubeless @ <20psi = Rigid
    Carbon or Aluminum fork and frame with tubes at ~40PSI = FULLY rigid....

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    This is the difference in pictures; BTW America is always fully rigid..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    No change in terminology -- the labels above apply.
    "Suspension" stems, seatposts & saddles are called "comfort accessories."
    A "softtail" is a full suspension bike, just one without much travel.

    Next question.

    {burp}

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyb View Post
    This one ain't. Used to be a fun ride too. (frame broke)
    Now THAT'S a hard front!

    Er... was.

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    "Hard front".. now that is funny. esp at my age.

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    My next bike's going to be a hard front. Sparticus, you could be the catalyst that sparked the revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuffink View Post
    My next bike's going to be a hard front. Sparticus, you could be the catalyst that sparked the revolution.
    I'm obviously a rep ho... upping anyone's is a great way to express gratitude.

    Plus it pisses umarth off, though he'll never admit it.

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    Consider your rep upped. Wait 'til the hipsters get wind of the hard front. The ebay market for ancient Cannondale Raven frames is going to go wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuffink View Post
    My next bike's going to be a hard front. Sparticus, you could be the catalyst that sparked the revolution.
    actually I think hard front is properly termed "hardnose" as in the opposite to "hardtail" although why it isn't hard head...oh wait never mind on that train of though.
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    Slightly OT, perhaps, but since this is about terminology: I adore it how many native speakers of English run "(handle)bars" and "forks" on a bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    actually I think hard front is properly termed "hardnose" as in the opposite to "hardtail" although why it isn't hard head...oh wait never mind on that train of though.
    I'm going with hardnose!

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    I vote Hardhead.

    And HT shall become known as hard***. I'm going to ride my hard*** hard*** hard as **** this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    I vote Hardhead.

    And HT shall become known as hard***. I'm going to ride my hard*** hard*** hard as **** this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orkje View Post
    Slightly OT, perhaps, but since this is about terminology: I adore it how many native speakers of English run "(handle)bars" and "forks" on a bike
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    Going to have to check out the LBS for a 1 1/8" rigid fork to turn the old marin into a hard front.

    I know hard nose is more technically correct, but hard front is more awkward, which appeals to me.

    If things go well we're going to need a hard front forum here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Nobody would do that, so let's not even go there.
    But if they did it'd be called a hard front.
    Yeah, that's why you've never heard of one.
    Nobody's that dumb.
    Man, I owned a hard front
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    you can still rock your rigid bike and enjoy a bit of suspension with the pantour suspension hub. website shows it comes in half inch or an inch of suspension for the front, and half inch suspension for the rear hub. not sure if anyone tried it on a mountain bike though

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    I can't think of another place they can hide suspension.

    Suspension spokes?

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    nvm, how about suspension pedals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    I can't think of another place they can hide suspension.

    Suspension spokes?
    I think they want me to use my arms and legs as suspension?! Not sure though because that just doesn't sound right. Why would I buy a bike that doesn't do those things for me??

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishcreek View Post
    you can still rock your rigid bike and enjoy a bit of suspension with the pantour suspension hub. website shows it comes in half inch or an inch of suspension for the front, and half inch suspension for the rear hub. not sure if anyone tried it on a mountain bike though

    It does minimize unsprung weight

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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    I can't think of another place they can hide suspension.

    Suspension spokes?
    I hear that less psi in the tires works like suspension. Not sure I believe it though
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    What I have found with most bikes is that there is some flex, those bikes are rigid. So if someone has a bike that is so stiff there is no flex (like a bike on viagra of sorts) does that possibly constitute their need to call it ( I can,'t believe I am posting these two words in consecutive order) fully rigid?
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    As soon as I saw the subject of this post I figured it was just bait for an ISuckAtRiding reply..... I read this forum too much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoulian View Post
    As soon as I saw the subject of this post I figured it was just bait for an ISuckAtRiding reply..... I read this forum too much...
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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    Suspension spokes?
    With very few exceptions, all bicycle spokes are suspension spokes. The tension on the spokes stretch them, and the hub "hangs" from the top of the rim while the bike is being ridden. The weight of the rider will stretch them a little further and in theory at least a bump would cause additional stretch.

    Back in the day when I was building road wheels and Jobst Brandt was the absolute authority on wheel design, we selected butted spokes with more stretch when building durable wheels, specifically so that in use they would have a little give when encountering small bumps or other momentary forces.

    Today's MTB wheels seem much stiffer, and I imagine that the amount of "travel" provided by spoke stretch would be negligible in comparison to suspension forks, wheels, or even the flex of the rear triangle.

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    Fully rigid meets virgin tight.

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    +Rep for you sir. And +Rep to ISAR for not posting on this thread yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald View Post
    With very few exceptions, all bicycle spokes are suspension spokes. The tension on the spokes stretch them, and the hub "hangs" from the top of the rim while the bike is being ridden. The weight of the rider will stretch them a little further and in theory at least a bump would cause additional stretch.

    Back in the day when I was building road wheels and Jobst Brandt was the absolute authority on wheel design, we selected butted spokes with more stretch when building durable wheels, specifically so that in use they would have a little give when encountering small bumps or other momentary forces.

    Today's MTB wheels seem much stiffer, and I imagine that the amount of "travel" provided by spoke stretch would be negligible in comparison to suspension forks, wheels, or even the flex of the rear triangle.
    So in essence, we're all riding fully's. +rep for nullifying sparty's thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p nut View Post
    So in essence, we're all riding fully's. +rep for nullifying sparty's thread.
    Tried to + rep you for pointing that out but I've already given you too much digital love recently. I'm spreading it around like crazy so I can get back to upping the folks who deserve it most, but I'm starting to feel like a rep ho.

    Meanwhile just know it's the thought that counts, p nut.

    So bottom line this time "= rep."

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    but I'm starting to feel like a rep ho.

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    Starting to feel like a rep ho?! If you made a nickel for every time you wrote "+ rep" you could finally afford that uvula reduction surgery to get rid of that pesky gag reflex.

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    Starting to feel like a rep ho?! If you made a nickel for every time you wrote "+ rep" you could finally afford that uvula reduction surgery to get rid of that pesky gag reflex.
    Once again jealousy rears its ugly head.

    Sad.

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    Once again jealousy rears its ugly head.

    Sad.

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    I think many of you are missing the hidden value to having multiple redundant ways of saying that your bike has no suspension int he front or the rear.

    Picture this scenario:
    Setting--You and your wife int he garage, she is giving you a hard time about all of the bikes you have...
    WIFE: "What's the difference between this bike and that bike, they both look almost exactly alike?!?!?"
    YOU: "Well, dear, this one is 'rigid', this one is 'FULLY-rigid', this one is 'unsuspended.'..."
    WIFE:"Hmmm... well what about those two over there?!?"
    YOU: "One is 'front suspension' the otehr is a 'hard-tail.'... big difference dear."

    See, redundancy in naming conventions is not always a bad thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonesy33 View Post
    I think many of you are missing the hidden value to having multiple redundant ways of saying that your bike has no suspension int he front or the rear.

    Picture this scenario:
    Setting--You and your wife int he garage, she is giving you a hard time about all of the bikes you have...
    WIFE: "What's the difference between this bike and that bike, they both look almost exactly alike?!?!?"
    YOU: "Well, dear, this one is 'rigid', this one is 'FULLY-rigid', this one is 'unsuspended.'..."
    WIFE:"Hmmm... well what about those two over there?!?"
    YOU: "One is 'front suspension' the otehr is a 'hard-tail.'... big difference dear."

    See, redundancy in naming conventions is not always a bad thing!
    Best reason so far! however being single this doesn't matter to me much
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    Redundancy is a wonderful thing, even when spelled wrong.










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    Quote Originally Posted by aka brad View Post
    This is the difference in pictures; BTW America is always fully rigid..
    Not always true.

    Almost half of America is semi-rigid after last call every weekend.

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    New category?

    Today I thought of a new description to add alongside the likes of rigid and hardtail and suspension --

    "Adjustable rigid." Or "single-use suspension." It's like a suspension fork that's breathed its last, so that it compresses but has issues rebounding without a sharp upward tug on the bars. Don't ask how I figured that one out.
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    I had a '70s Kawasaki BMX with rear-only suspension. It was my first SS trail bike and I rode lots of singletrack on it. I've got the frame in my garage.



    Cannondale also had some rear-only suspsension designs in the '80s. I've got a playboy in my garage with one that's got the '80s combo of purple and neon green, and I found this one here on MTBR in the vintage forum:



    Not that it's a good idea or anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy View Post
    I had a '70s Kawasaki BMX with rear-only suspension. It was my first SS trail bike and I rode lots of singletrack on it. I've got the frame in my garage.



    Cannondale also had some rear-only suspsension designs in the '80s. I've got a playboy in my garage with one that's got the '80s combo of purple and neon green, and I found this one here on MTBR in the vintage forum:



    Not that it's a good idea or anything...
    I think at the time those were referred to as hardnoses. All in the vein of the SE Descender and the boulder bikes gazelle.



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    Rockcrusher, I was just jabbering with my co-worker about the old school rear suspensiopn BMX bikes made in the 70s, his brain cramped up and couldn't figure it out. Here you post a pic, thanks!

    I remember the Descender and the magazine Bicycle Guide(I made their "thumbs down" section once), do you remember the Dominator as well? It had a crazy fork, four small blades that came back together at the dropouts.

    I love this thread and am glad I found it since I ride rigid. Just the past year I have had to refer to it as "all rigid" since most people don't understand what I mean when I say just rigid. The first thing they ask is "what type of suspension fork you using?"....sigh.....
    Good friction shifting is getting hard to find nowadays....

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    Quote Originally Posted by unicrown junkie View Post
    Rockcrusher, I was just jabbering with my co-worker about the old school rear suspensiopn BMX bikes made in the 70s, his brain cramped up and couldn't figure it out. Here you post a pic, thanks!

    I remember the Descender and the magazine Bicycle Guide(I made their "thumbs down" section once), do you remember the Dominator as well? It had a crazy fork, four small blades that came back together at the dropouts.

    I love this thread and am glad I found it since I ride rigid. Just the past year I have had to refer to it as "all rigid" since most people don't understand what I mean when I say just rigid. The first thing they ask is "what type of suspension fork you using?"....sigh.....
    I get that all the time too. It usually goes like this at the end of a ride:

    THEM: whew that was some descent eh, you were really flying (editor's note: this is what they mean with whatever they say or so I believe) can't believe you are on a hard tail.
    ME: rigid.
    THEM: yeah that is what i said
    ME: no no front suspension either
    THEM: you don't have a fork!? I didn't even look at that. What the hell man?
    MY BUDDY: he's got no gears either...
    THEM: What the hell? You are insane.
    ME: no I am just lazy.

    So yeah rigid suits me fine and single speed so much the better because frankly i am lazy and prefer to spend my valuable free bike time riding my bike not wrenching.

    I do not remember the dominator although the name rings a bell. Post a picture if you can!
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    I give up on telling people that I am running a rigid, especially to those who only talk about plush and inches on their sus.

    THEM: What ride are you on?
    ME: A HARDTAIL with a HARD FORK!

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    Are we really going to bring this topic back from the dead. I thought Sparty had cleared up the whole issue a while ago.
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    here's what a fully rigid bike looks like..

    no air inflated tires to give you suspension


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    Arise zombie thread!

    Who's responsible for bringing this coup de stupid sParty back? Neg rep for you.







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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Arise zombie thread!

    Who's responsible for bringing this coup de stupid sParty back? Neg rep for you.
    It was "Fast Eddy." I'll take credit for killing the thread the first time 'round, though.
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    Since this has been brought back up...

    I've seen a lot of posts using "ridged" instead of "rigid". Does that mean their bike is like a ribbed condom or??

    "Fully ridged, for her pleasure"...

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    Fully rigid is still 23% more macho than regular ol' rigid, when used in e-conversation. Having no mechanical difference does not change this.

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    Suspension spokes can be single use suspension!
    They call it a taco
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    I'm rigid for her pleasure.

    Thanks for killing this the first time Erik. If my grammar section passes David C's scrutiny it shall be awesome. Keep a lookout in the MTBR Glossary thread for my ranting.
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    Fully rigid isn't redundant if one applies the 'simplicity paradox': a rigid bike may look simple but requires a great deal of ability to ride...no plowing into things, line reading, body english, etc. So, whoever rides a rigid bike does it by virtue of fully engaging the body into the ride. Then, the bike deserves the 'fully' next to the rigid so that it evokes a wholesome meaning to the experience...geeee, I'm sweating, gimme a beer !
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    Quote Originally Posted by balance_fit View Post
    Fully rigid isn't redundant if one applies the 'simplicity paradox': a rigid bike may look simple but requires a great deal of ability to ride...no plowing into things, line reading, body english, etc. So, whoever rides a rigid bike does it by virtue of fully engaging the body into the ride. Then, the bike deserves the 'fully' next to the rigid so that it evokes a wholesome meaning to the experience...geeee, I'm sweating, gimme a beer !
    So..... Could you explain that via non-hipstery-******rist-existentialist crap stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245 View Post
    So..... Could you explain that via non-hipstery-******rist-existentialist crap stuff?
    Elbows loose, knees bent and go with the flow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyb View Post
    Elbows loose, knees bent and go with the flow!
    Only way to ride any bike let alone rigid
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot View Post
    Only way to ride any bike let alone rigid
    Can you imagine fully rigid being elbows and knees rigid too?

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    I haven't read past posts to see if this was mentioned, but, besides the horrible sensation of your brake levers shifting down when you hit a bump, here is a nice front suspension solution for you full rigid fellows.


    Just came across this the other day


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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    I haven't read past posts to see if this was mentioned, but, besides the horrible sensation of your brake levers shifting down when you hit a bump, here is a nice front suspension solution for you full rigid fellows.


    Just came across this the other day

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    I meant for those fully rigid riders with quill stems who can't find a suspension fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    Fully rigid would be with an erection......
    + 1................................................. ..........................^ that !
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyb View Post
    Elbows loose, knees bent and go with the flow!
    I thought of an inappropriate, immature innuendo when I saw those words. Too late to un-think it.

    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    I meant for those fully rigid riders with quill stems who can't find a suspension fork
    I'm fully rigid. And. Uh. I use a quill stem on my "newest" bike too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245 View Post


    I'm fully rigid. And. Uh. I use a quill stem on my "newest" bike too...
    Okay

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik1245 View Post
    So..... Could you explain that via non-hipstery-******rist-existentialist crap stuff?
    Maybe like this: rigid bike = full rider
    Simple, not easy.

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    Now, fellow riders, please define this: rigid or fully rigid?
    I initiated my mtb days on one of those. Dangerous.
    Still keep the stem as a collector's item...
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails The difference between &quot;rigid&quot; and &quot;fully rigid&quot;-softride.jpg  

    The difference between &quot;rigid&quot; and &quot;fully rigid&quot;-95litebeamside.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by balance_fit View Post
    Now, fellow riders, please define this: rigid or fully rigid?
    I initiated my mtb days on one of those. Dangerous.
    Still keep the stem as a collector's item...
    Partial rigid. It's the equivalent of a squishy seat post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by balance_fit View Post
    Now, fellow riders, please define this: rigid or fully rigid?
    I initiated my mtb days on one of those. Dangerous.
    Still keep the stem as a collector's item...
    It's the sh*tbike.... in a class all its own...

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    I've tried finding a picture, but no luck on the 'net so far. They stopped making the frame in 1986, iirc. If I can get a hold of a buddy of mine in Bend he might have a pic of it since he was sponsored by them at that time.

    As to our frame choice, I sure like it but am now finally ready to put a "dualie" in our garage. Won't be for me, my spouse is only five years into riding and she started at 48! Last week while we were doing the Lower Dungeness Trail here on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington, she was getting bounced all over the place on her '91 Hoo Koo E Koo with 1.25" Evolution front end.

    I admired her tenacity, but I could tell that she wasn't having as much fun as she normally has, and in the long run I want her to ride more with me, not less. So, after twenty five years of off-roading on a rigid Stumpie, its finally time to update.

    Wish I could SS, but dannnnng my legs would be screamin' bloody murder!
    Good friction shifting is getting hard to find nowadays....

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    I like to be technically correct so here goes--

    Not that I would ever throw a leg over one but a friend of mine has a Slingshot.
    Not a soft tail -- no front suspension
    Certainly not rigid
    Might be an interesting SS

    For wussy girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cebeas View Post
    I like to be technically correct so here goes--

    Not that I would ever throw a leg over one but a friend of mine has a Slingshot.
    Not a soft tail -- no front suspension
    Certainly not rigid
    Might be an interesting SS

    For wussy girls.
    For hipster ******bags who want to ride what nobody else is riding.

    Or for people who are jealous of other people who get to ride Slingshots....
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    The Slingshot! Wow, there is one over at a LBS I saw last week hanging in the rafters. I remember when they came out circa '89 or so. Wasn't Jimmy Deaton one of their first riders?

    As for rigid, just did the Lower Dungeness River trail this weekend. Flying down on the fire road at 40 on my '89 Stumpie Team, now that's the old days!
    Good friction shifting is getting hard to find nowadays....

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