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    Can I use a Surly Tuggnut on this?

    This is the slipperiest (word?) axle I've ever screwed around with, and SC's chain "tensioners" are useless. No, a bolt-on is not an option, and I just almost took my face off breaking a bolt-on skewer.

    So, will a Surly Tuggnut work this far back in the dropouts? ie, will the tension-bolts bottom-out? Other suggestions are welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDizzle
    This is the slipperiest (word?) axle I've ever screwed around with, and SC's chain "tensioners" are useless. No, a bolt-on is not an option, and I just almost took my face off breaking a bolt-on skewer.
    So, will a Surly Tuggnut work this far back in the dropouts? ie, will the tension-bolts bottom-out? Other suggestions are welcome.
    I doubt it. I know a Crupi wouldn't work without putting more threads on the bolts.
    I'd suggest either machining something to fill the space between the axle and the frame, or something else.
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    suggestion:

    get an '04.

    mine is b:tchen and the chain tensioners on that sucka work great. what are the ones on your frame like? little slidey deals that bolt in place with chainring-type bolts & sleeves? i got the tool for 'em and mine have held steady for a few hundred miles of hills and my fat a$$ hammering on them all the way.

    i'm not even using a decent skewer(newer XT), nor is it even that tight. what gives, SD?

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    Can you take a link out of the chain? It would work for sure then.

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    or a half-link?

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    No and no. There has to be space on the opposite dropout for the disc adapter; that's as far forward as it goes.

    eSSq - What tool do you have that I don't? Do you have a pic of your tensioners? Mine slip just as fast as the axle does.
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    no pic, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by SDizzle
    eSSq - What tool do you have that I don't? Do you have a pic of your tensioners? Mine slip just as fast as the axle does.
    on mine there is a little sleeve inside the horizontals and on the drive side it's got the der. hanger. the sleeves are held in place with crank ring-type bolts. there is a tool made by park and lifu that you use to hold the sleeve in place while tightening the bolt with an allen wrench. i got the lifu model that looks like a screwdriver from Tani at The Path. it was $5; worth much more.

    i loosened them up, slid them back to optimal chain-tensioning position and then snugged those babies down tight, then put the wheel in and closed the q/r's, and not even that tightly. hasn't slipped yet, and i'm probably putting almost as much weight as you are into the cranks.

    hope you get it sorted.

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    Yeh, we've got the same things. I can sinch mine down tight enough to pull the bolt-sleeve-head through the dropout, and it still slips! I think it might have something to do with braking forces, though. I can't seem to put my finger on it...

    It used to be a bent spider, but sure isn't that anymore. I've been through three cranksets trying to find the problem there, and I'm convinced that while it might once have been, but is not longer the cranks' fault.

    Who knows; if anyone can take a picture of the backside of their Surly Tuggnut, I'd sure appreciate it! I think, with the two holes, it just might work. Thanks - S
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    [Same problem with mine here, man, I'm running out of places to put the bruises. Mine is pulling forward under heavy torque. -That's the WORST time for it to happen.

    Here's one on film caught by ETR...


    ooof

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDizzle
    There has to be space on the opposite dropout for the disc adapter; that's as far forward as it goes.
    Quote Originally Posted by SDizzle
    I think it might have something to do with braking forces, though. I can't seem to put my finger on it...
    Ummm......
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    Quote Originally Posted by wooglin
    Ummm......
    Enlighten me.
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    Tuggnut may be OK

    My SoloOne has similar looking dropouts and a Surley Tuggnut is working well for me. My wheel is secured with allen bolts just slightly larger than a skewer. I drilled out the included QR adaptor to fit the allens. For QR skewers the adaptor should be good, it takes up the slack between your big slot and small skewer. I think it's worth a try.

    If you get a Tuggnut you will want to carry a tool to loosen it for changing flats. The little thumbscrew has blue locktite and unless you have gorilla fingers you will need help. Pliers would work, but I took a small cheapy nut driver and cut a slot in it. It works good and is cheap and light. I can take a picture tomorrow if you need me to.
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    I picked up kore tugs from my lbs and they are working fine on my chamy and would work for u as long as there is enough space for the dropout positioner thingy to be secured in dropouts.

    By the way I went disc front and V back and couldn't be happier on my SS chamy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiMana

    Hey Kitchenware what trail is that?
    Some Buff Creak stuff, I forget what exact trail.

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    Tuggnut pics

    Here you go I hope these help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattman
    Here you go I hope these help.
    They do! I think they'll work just fine. Thanks a bunch - S
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    McGuckins

    I had a similar problem so I went to McGuckins and explained to a guy in a green vest the problem and I bought two .05 cent little locking washers. I am not sure the technical name but it is a type of washer that has ridges on it. They are kind of rough on the drop out but my rear wheel does not slip.

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    That's an even better idea...and I sure do like McGuckins.

    Do you ride in the area? I don't recognize the handle...
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    Boulder

    I am a avid lucker

    Yea I ride around Boulder. I am into long climbs up 4mile / Switzerland trail etc.

    I am pretty much a SS hack.

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