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    Anyone tried soft-tail SS???

    I have an IF frame I converted to SS via an ENO. I love this bike above all else and have beraly ridden my Epic since I put it together. Problem is, I descend MUCH faster on my Epic. I am considering having bigger chainstays retrofitted onto the IF to fit big 2.5 in tires (can only fit a 2.1 now) but wanted to pick you guys heads........
    Has anyone ever ridden a softtail SS??? Does it basically provide the same shock absorbtion that a big beefy tread (like a GEAX blade or sturdy in a 2.25 or trailbear 2.5) would at 22 psi??? or is it actually a difference in keeping the wheel connected like in a real dual suspension frame????
    Yes - I know about the Kona A - don't think I want a squishy SS - seems like it would bob a ton out of the saddle.
    Thanks for your help-

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    I am riding a Trek STP as a SS...

    I think you may have contacted me earlier about this. I have no answers about the bigger tires as I have always used 2.1 size tires.
    I built up a Trek STP last week, raced it on Saturday (well at least attempted....long story), did a two hour ride on Sunday and the bike performed perfectly. I used an ENO as well. The soft tail is not really all that noticable when riding, other than if you pay attention when riding over a section of smaller roots, it does smooth out the ride quite a bit for not having much travel. Definately much smoother than the Ti frame SS I had prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayoutside
    I have an IF frame I converted to SS via an ENO. I love this bike above all else and have beraly ridden my Epic since I put it together. Problem is, I descend MUCH faster on my Epic. I am considering having bigger chainstays retrofitted onto the IF to fit big 2.5 in tires (can only fit a 2.1 now) but wanted to pick you guys heads........
    Has anyone ever ridden a softtail SS??? Does it basically provide the same shock absorbtion that a big beefy tread (like a GEAX blade or sturdy in a 2.25 or trailbear 2.5) would at 22 psi??? or is it actually a difference in keeping the wheel connected like in a real dual suspension frame????
    Yes - I know about the Kona A - don't think I want a squishy SS - seems like it would bob a ton out of the saddle.
    Thanks for your help-

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    My no-name soft tail with DIY eccentric hub axle:
    <img src="https://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/tst_softtail_ss.jpg">
    Soft tails are a bit nicer than a low pressure fat tire, but not as good as a true FS.

    Cheers,

    Tom

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    It works fine but a sus post may do the same

    Here's mine - it works great and I don't ever loose the chain. I am pretty convinced a suspension post would take the edge off just as good but would not provide more control descending.
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    Kman

    Do you have any pics of that Trek STP?

    Does it really exist??

    Do I have to wait any longer to see it???
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    Yes, it does exist....

    Tried racing it last Saturday and had a beautiful ride on Sunday.
    I plan on racing my Titus this weekend (same deal with back) and then spending some time on it next week. As long as it does not rain on Tuesday I will bring it then.
    No pictures yet....been a very busy week and just haven't had time. Soon.

    Keith was teasing me this week about a bike he is looking into from Curtlo........can you guess where this might go
    I already got a nice quote for a steel SS softail from them. If I like the Trek enough and everything works out for me with my back I may go with a Curtlo in the fall. You know me...riding a Trek is just not me.

    Do you cyclocross? I don't have one of those bikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicmtbr
    Do you have any pics of that Trek STP?

    Does it really exist??

    Do I have to wait any longer to see it???

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    Do now!....

    ....just finished yesterday & taking her out on a virgin miSSion this afternoon!

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    WI ENO (prrrrrrrrrrr)

    Pics to follow!!......when I figure out how.

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    Cyclocross bike????

    I have three. One is on Ebay right now though and a second one will be posted next week. When I was on FSVS, they were mega big into cross. The one on Ebay was just a killer deal that I could not refuse . . . . . . . . until now that is.

    I am just jonesin' to see the new build-up, that is all!
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    One more thing

    I already got a nice quote for a steel SS softail from them. If I like the Trek enough and everything works out for me with my back I may go with a Curtlo in the fall. You know me...riding a Trek is just not me.

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    Hmmmm

    Waiting until the Fall when the ENO disc hub will be tried and tested and the eccentric brake mounts will be ready??

    Oh yeah, I do know you (unless of course you go back to an EBB).
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    Moots Uno

    I have a Moots Uno, well sort of, it no longer has parts and I'll be selling it when I get a chance to clean it up. It's a soft tail and as pointed out by an earlier post it takes the edges off the rough stuff. It is by no means a FS. I didn't find it helped keep the tire in contact with the ground. In my book it's not worth the loss of lateral stiffness. Not that there is that much loss of stiffness but I did notice it compared to a hard tail.

    Bottom line is either go FS or stay hardtail. The in between doesn't give you the best of both but the worse of both.

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    KHS Solo-One

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoutside
    Has anyone ever ridden a softtail SS???
    I ride my Solo-One every week. I like it and it works well to take the edge off the bumps with little effect on efficiency. It is a cheap, but decent bike, and is the only out of the box SS softtail I'm aware of. I think if you were to Eno a high quality softtail frame you would likely get excellent results. I've seen pictures of some real nice ones posted here.

    There could be some issues I guess if the travel is more than about an inch. Depending on where the chainstays flex or pivot you could have a chain tighten and loosen as the tail moves. FS singlespeeds get around this by having the pivot at the bottom bracket.

    Post a picture if you build one.
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    Yeti softail ss

    I think the soft-tail is more about comfort than control. I haven't ridden a tire bigger than 2.1 in the rear, but in theory it's very nearly the same issue: With only an inch or so of travel (tire or linkage) all you're going to do is take the sharp edges off the obstacle.

    On the otherhand, that small amount of cushion sure makes a difference!
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    What year is that Yeti?

    I've never seen a Yeti Soft tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 415m3
    I think the soft-tail is more about comfort than control. I haven't ridden a tire bigger than 2.1 in the rear, but in theory it's very nearly the same issue: With only an inch or so of travel (tire or linkage) all you're going to do is take the sharp edges off the obstacle.

    On the otherhand, that small amount of cushion sure makes a difference!

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    sweet...

    DIY eccentirc axle with discs....howdyadothat????

    seriously, can you post come close ups on the hub axle??? very interesting!!!

    Cheers!


    Quote Originally Posted by itsdoable
    My no-name soft tail with DIY eccentric hub axle:
    <img src="https://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/tst_softtail_ss.jpg">
    Soft tails are a bit nicer than a low pressure fat tire, but not as good as a true FS.

    Cheers,

    Tom

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    seems to defeat the purpose...simplicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SanAnMan
    Here's mine - it works great and I don't ever loose the chain. I am pretty convinced a suspension post would take the edge off just as good but would not provide more control descending.
    SanAnMan:
    im sure I've asked before, but Ive clearly forgotten:
    what size is your Duke?
    what ratio are you running sans tensioner?

    I love my duke and would still love to eventually SS it. it currently has (gasp) full gears.

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    Simplicity is in the Butt of the beholder.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinHole
    seems to defeat the purpose...simplicity.
    True it's a bit less simple, but it makes for a more enjoyable ride. I've owned and ridden a full ridgid SS bike that was as simple as they come. I can go up and down stuff easier and in more comfort with a bit of suspension. But then I'm old and beat up.
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    2000 Duke Large, 34 x 17 ratio

    I was messing around in my garage one day and found 32 x 15 worked sweet. I tried to get the exact chainstay length so I could program it in on "fixed inovations" and got it close enough to find out 34 x 17 worked as well. So - that fits great as long as I had a new chain on my large 2000(19.5" c-t) frame. I was using the Walmart chains and they only lasted a few weeks or so and they stretched enough to make me worry.

    Since Dean makes them by hand , one at a time, I'm not 100% sure Dean has pre-cut peaces to make all there Large frames with the same chainstay length. Just a few thousands of an inch can really throw you off since it just about doubles the effect on the chain but if you ride a large, it may work out the same.

    Try 34 x 17 or 32 x 15, I hope it works out for you. It's been a really fun bike. ENO may be the way to go too. Good Luck!



    Quote Originally Posted by SlowSSer
    SanAnMan:
    im sure I've asked before, but Ive clearly forgotten:
    what size is your Duke?
    what ratio are you running sans tensioner?

    I love my duke and would still love to eventually SS it. it currently has (gasp) full gears.

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    found the diy eccentric axle thread...

    https://forums.mtbr.com/singlespeed/poor-persons-eno-2005.html

    great idea!!!




    Quote Originally Posted by itsdoable
    My no-name soft tail with DIY eccentric hub axle:
    <img src="https://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/tst_softtail_ss.jpg">
    Soft tails are a bit nicer than a low pressure fat tire, but not as good as a true FS.

    Cheers,

    Tom

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