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    Any word on the new Phil Wood "SS" single speed yet????

    Was just wondering if anyone has ordered one of the new Phil Wood single speed bikes yet. Or when is the scheduled delivery time frame??

    Any color options? Disc only? Sizes? and prices?

    It would be good to see it come out for this summer....

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    I'm on the list.

    Brent e'd me last week saying proto #2 was done and they were quite happy with it.
    So now it's off to production. - Disc only, EBB. I'm not sure of color(s) but I really don't care, just want one. Bad. Now.
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    Steel? Ti? Go on. Any pics, anywhere?
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    I had a pic of proto #1 but my piece-o'-cr*p computer crashed, burned and deleted it from my inbox a while back

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    A peek for you all...

    Quote Originally Posted by SS Jerry
    Was just wondering if anyone has ordered one of the new Phil Wood single speed bikes yet. Or when is the scheduled delivery time frame??

    Any color options? Disc only? Sizes? and prices?

    It would be good to see it come out for this summer....

    -JS-
    They will size just like the old Kiss Offs. S, M, and L. Same geometry.
    They will all have disc/ebb setup, I'll also do a few that have V-brake mounts also.
    This is proto #2. Smaller diameter seat stays for a smoother ride, #1 was a bit stiff, the larger stays will be used on the larges for the bigger riders.
    Note the dark blue with a hint of 70s speed boat sparkle. My fave so far.
    Head tube badges and decals should be done in four weeks and frames in about 6.

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    Odd question for your Brent, why route the cable along the top tube at the 11 o'clock position? I've seen many builders who do this. It seems more body/ss friendly to run it lower like at the 6 o'clock position to keep it off the top of the top tube and away from legs, etc... You guys seems to know what you're doing for sure..so I thought I'd ask...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    They will size just like the old Kiss Offs. S, M, and L. Same geometry.
    They will all have disc/ebb setup, I'll also do a few that have V-brake mounts also.
    This is proto #2. Smaller diameter seat stays for a smoother ride, #1 was a bit stiff, the larger stays will be used on the larges for the bigger riders.
    Note the dark blue with a hint of 70s speed boat sparkle. My fave so far.
    Head tube badges and decals should be done in four weeks and frames in about 6.

    Cheers,
    Brent

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    Will these have the sterling silver head badge too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Odd question for your Brent, why route the cable along the top tube at the 11 o'clock position? I've seen many builders who do this. It seems more body/ss friendly to run it lower like at the 6 o'clock position to keep it off the top of the top tube and away from legs, etc... You guys seems to know what you're doing for sure..so I thought I'd ask...
    It is really personal preference.
    Riding SS makes one more likely to toss your rig on the shoulder and hike sections that can't be pedaled when needed.
    Interesting thing I've learned with the Piss Offs. The position is an option with them, at this point it is almost exactly 3 to 1, 11PM vs 7AM
    It does make the routing cleaner at the seat cluster too for disc applications as the routing then proceeds down the top of the seat stay...

    Brent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    They will size just like the old Kiss Offs. S, M, and L. Same geometry.
    They will all have disc/ebb setup, I'll also do a few that have V-brake mounts also.
    This is proto #2. Smaller diameter seat stays for a smoother ride, #1 was a bit stiff, the larger stays will be used on the larges for the bigger riders.
    Note the dark blue with a hint of 70s speed boat sparkle. My fave so far.
    Head tube badges and decals should be done in four weeks and frames in about 6.

    Cheers,
    Brent

    Ummmmm, Lemme see................ I'll take....THAT ONE ! ! !
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    And how much are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodjy
    Will these have the sterling silver head badge too?

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    Nope, I'm shooting for a price point here. It will be Aluminum

    Goal is frame, disc hubset, Phil eccentric for about $1500.
    The idea is for me to offer you a frame/bike with custom builder quality in standard sizes that includes our hubs and eccentric for a better price than they can. Something between the Bianchi/Kona/Haro and the Sycip/IF/Jericho...
    I'm doing so by having large quantities built at one time and taking smaller margins.

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    Sign me up for a L.... I guess I better put the freelance machine into high gear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    Nope, I'm shooting for a price point here. It will be Aluminum
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    Any chance of one coming out in steel?

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    Confusion...

    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Any chance of one coming out in steel?
    The frame is steel, the headtube badge is aluminum.

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    what about geometry figures? any plans for a 29'er or could that be an upcharge?
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    specs

    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed
    what about geometry figures? any plans for a 29'er or could that be an upcharge?
    HA 71
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    ST 13.5 16 19.5
    TT 21.75 22.88 24.00

    Thinking about doing a separate 29er, single custom frames will cost too much more...
    Gotta finish these up first.

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    Good job!

    For once, I agree with you. Cable routing anywhere but under the TT for disc brakes sucks, IMHO. I'd rather have no guides at all, and just use the stick-ons.

    I also don't buy the argument that because it's an SS you're more likely to shoulder it and carry it. Maybe for CX, but when's the last time you carried your MTB over your shoulder?

    That all aside, the frame is entirely b;itchen. Those dropouts, that paint, whooo-weee!

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    That bike rules. Nicely done, Brent.

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    Agreeing and dropouts

    Quote Originally Posted by eSSq
    For once, I agree with you.

    How often do you disagree with me??


    That all aside, the frame is entirely b;itchen. Those dropouts, that paint, whooo-weee!
    To clarify, those are IF dropouts that they were gracious enough to let us use for the prototypes, we will be making our own signature dropouts for the "SS".

    It is not paint, it is powdercoat. Durable and good lookin.

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    Or disagreeing.
    I was referring to Padre's comments about the cable guides; I'd rather have none at all than to have them anywhere but under the top tube. If you're running discs, why not leave them off and let people run their linese where they like with the stick-on guides?
    I suppose, it wouldn't necessarily look "as nice" as permanent once in the spot you'd prefer, but to each, their own.

    I thought those dropouts looked familiar. . . so does IF build the "SS," as with the P.O.'s?

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    Nope

    Quote Originally Posted by eSSq
    Or disagreeing.
    I was referring to Padre's comments about the cable guides; I'd rather have none at all than to have them anywhere but under the top tube. If you're running discs, why not leave them off and let people run their linese where they like with the stick-on guides?
    I suppose, it wouldn't necessarily look "as nice" as permanent once in the spot you'd prefer, but to each, their own.

    I thought those dropouts looked familiar. . . so does IF build the "SS," as with the P.O.'s?
    Ah, I get it.

    Nope, Sycip will be building these ones like the old Kiss Offs.
    We have the wonderful luxury of having good relationships with some of the best builders on the planet. In this case it was all about price point and shipping lots O' frames vs me driving over to pick them all up factored in to the price along with paint vs powder etc...
    I knew with either choice I would get better work than anyone could ask for and also get exactly what I wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eSSq
    Or disagreeing.
    I was referring to Padre's comments about the cable guides; I'd rather have none at all than to have them anywhere but under the top tube. If you're running discs, why not leave them off and let people run their linese where they like with the stick-on guides?
    I suppose, it wouldn't necessarily look "as nice" as permanent once in the spot you'd prefer, but to each, their own.

    I thought those dropouts looked familiar. . . so does IF build the "SS," as with the P.O.'s?
    I opted for the low profile guides that use zip ties for the protos but that would force those that run mech disc or Vs to run full length housing.
    Open to thoughts from all on this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    I opted for the low profile guides that use zip ties for the protos but that would force those that run mech disc or Vs to run full length housing.
    Open to thoughts from all on this one...

    Keep the Low-Pro's.
    IMO - Cable Discs work best w/full cables.
    I thought all frames were going to be Disc only?

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    I prefer...

    ....the round closed loops for several reasons. They look good, they don't require zip ties, and they work great for mech or hydro. I like three on the TT, two on the seat stay.

    I also prefer the 7 o'clock position for several reasons. Looks nice IMO, allows me to comfortably sit on the TT while resting, and it is nearly invisible from the driveside of the bike. But, I prefer the guides on the seat tube on the top of the tube, as opposed to the underside of the tube.

    The frames look fantastic. Thanks for not building any 29ers, I don't need any more frames to lust after:-)
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    Idea!

    IMHO

    Definitely run the low-profile ones (with zip ties) you have chosen (permanent attachment with easy removal).

    I know everyone has a different opinion, but what about running them at 4:30 (from the front which I am guessing is analogous to ~7am… sorry saw this in hindsight) so the cable/hose from the rear brake lever rounds the head tube with minimal contact so to avoid marring the finish of the head tube during normal riding. It also gives a much cleaner line for running the rear brake (i.e. the cable/hose gets to the correct side of the bike through a much nicer arc). Jumping off from 4:30 to the top of the seat stay isn't such a bad transition either.

    Shouldering bike? I know I don't... and if I did, I would adapt to the 4:30 placement.

    If you want stick-ons for reasons of personal expression, get a Huffy.

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    Hey Brent, will a matching fork be offered? Gotta keep it FUSSY, yo.

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    Ditto

    I agree with dodjy.
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    ditto, low profiles are elegant, clean and simple.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Hey Brent, will a matching fork be offered? Gotta keep it FUSSY, yo.
    Gotta love FUSSY! Definitely need a matching fork (rigid of course)!

    dd.''

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    Beautiful!

    Glad those pesky 10 commandments don't say anything about coveting thy neighbor's bike...

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    Very nice looking frames. I actually really like the paint color too. This might be the SS frame for me.
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    I've got the proto #2...

    Needless to say, I spent some quality time in my shop admiring the paint!! And yes, the more narrow chainstays. I will love the cable guides for the simple fact that if I have to take the rear brake off at some point, I will not have to cut the brakeline and track down another crush sleeve. Actually, that is the only reason I am not riding the bike tomorrow! I will give impressions as soon as I get the rear brakes set. I will also post pics.
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    Who you fooling?

    you probably stayed up all night to finish putting that baby together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Ross
    Needless to say, I spent some quality time in my shop admiring the paint!! And yes, the more narrow chainstays. I will love the cable guides for the simple fact that if I have to take the rear brake off at some point, I will not have to cut the brakeline and track down another crush sleeve. Actually, that is the only reason I am not riding the bike tomorrow! I will give impressions as soon as I get the rear brakes set. I will also post pics.
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    He must be out playing with his kids or riding!

    cuz as a school teacher we know he's not working during the summer.

    I saw the first proto and the build up and it was very very sweet, I'm guessing he's using a lot of the same components.

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    I will wait to go big

    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    HA 71

    Thinking about doing a separate 29er, single custom frames will cost too much more...
    Gotta finish these up first.
    I am holding my breath for the 29er,when you go big I'll be there with the coin!

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    Because I am a school teacher...

    I pretty much have to use the same parts. The only change I would like to make at some point is the fork. After seeing and feeling how the Fox terralogic forks work, I may have to try and get a set. But for now, here's the build-up:
    Phil-built wheels (32 hole sun disc rims with black spokes and polished Phil hubs), Manitou scareb fork, Titec flattracker bars, Titec grips, Titec bar ends, Titec Big Al stem, Chris King Headset (patriot), Cat-eye cages, XTR cranks with Brent's ring and bash gaurd (Brent will know why I put it this way), White Ind. freewheel, Crank Bros. Triple Ti egg beaters (Thanks again to Crank Bros. for the hook up), Thompson Masterpiece seatpost, Titec saddle, Magura Marta SL brakes.

    I did find an extra crush sleeve and hose insert, so I think I may have to snap a few pictures and do a little testing tomorrow (Sunday). Have a Grand Day!!!
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    I think that 11 o'clock is the ideal place for the cable guides.



    What steel is used on the frame?

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    What's the biggest tire I can fit in the back? Or more specifically, can I fit my 2.3 - 2.35" tire in the rear triangle?

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    How about this frame then. Just a comparison.

    Similar in Dropout design, same EBB and shell.

    donkey said ....the round closed loops for several reasons. They look good, they don't require zip ties, and they work great for mech or hydro. I like three on the TT, two on the seat stay.
    This frame has exactly that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nightfire
    I think that 11 o'clock is the ideal place for the cable guides.

    What steel is used on the frame?

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    I do too.
    853 ft triangle and 725 rear.

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    tire size

    Quote Originally Posted by dodjy
    What's the biggest tire I can fit in the back? Or more specifically, can I fit my 2.3 - 2.35" tire in the rear triangle?

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    2.35 should be fine. I'll measure proto #1 shortly to verify.

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    Nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by nightfire
    How about this frame then. Just a comparison.

    Similar in Dropout design, same EBB and shell.

    donkey said ....the round closed loops for several reasons. They look good, they don't require zip ties, and they work great for mech or hydro. I like three on the TT, two on the seat stay.
    This frame has exactly that.



    P::..
    That's Andy's frame I believe. Very nice indeed.
    It has one of the best eccentrics and BBs I've ever seen ;^)

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    Ah, I get it.

    Nope, Sycip will be building these ones like the old Kiss Offs.
    We have the wonderful luxury of having good relationships with some of the best builders on the planet. In this case it was all about price point and shipping lots O' frames vs me driving over to pick them all up factored in to the price along with paint vs powder etc...
    I knew with either choice I would get better work than anyone could ask for and also get exactly what I wanted.
    Will the Kiss-Off then cease to be? For me and, I'm sure some others, the disc-only-ness is a deal-breaker, as I'm not interested. Not criticizing disc-loving riders, I'm just not ever going to switch.

    Here's hoping there's room in the quiver for at least a couple of batches a year. That new bike is a beauty, for sure, it's just not my cuppa'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tube_ee
    Will the Kiss-Off then cease to be? For me and, I'm sure some others, the disc-only-ness is a deal-breaker, as I'm not interested. Not criticizing disc-loving riders, I'm just not ever going to switch.

    Here's hoping there's room in the quiver for at least a couple of batches a year. That new bike is a beauty, for sure, it's just not my cuppa'.

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    Pics of built up bike

    I'm not sure what the quality is on these pics. Brent posted pics of the frame. I tried to include the cable routing and the color a little more. The cable routing turned out very clean, I think. You could use smaller zip-ties and make it even cleaner. Does anyone know if they make metallic blue ties? I put the ties on the top to avoid any cuts on the inside of my knees. Although, since scars are dead sexy..... Anyway, I am riding today, and will post impressions, but we all know that it will climb like a goat and go downhill like a buttery smooth ...uh.... thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Odd question for your Brent, why route the cable along the top tube at the 11 o'clock position? I've seen many builders who do this. It seems more body/ss friendly to run it lower like at the 6 o'clock position to keep it off the top of the top tube and away from legs, etc... You guys seems to know what you're doing for sure..so I thought I'd ask...
    6:00 cable routing causes the cables to rub against the underside of the top tube when in a bike rack. Doesnt sound bad but those who dont use cable shields or liners will have their paint rubbed off in those spots. My old rocky mountain hammer had 6:00 routing and I noticed when it was upside down a huge bald spot in the paint caused by the cables rubbing against the TT....when its a steel frame thats not good..
    I like 11:00 routing..

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    You mean, people still hang their bikes from the top tube on a rack? *horrors
    If I spent $2k on a frame, I wouldn't even begin to think think about carrying it from the top tube. Not only that, I don't cyclocross, so carrying on my shoulder is a moot point.
    Carry bikes this way....you'll thank me when you're older...

    especially the bling-bling Phil Wood type.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebronze
    6:00 cable routing causes the cables to rub against the underside of the top tube when in a bike rack. Doesnt sound bad but those who dont use cable shields or liners will have their paint rubbed off in those spots. My old rocky mountain hammer had 6:00 routing and I noticed when it was upside down a huge bald spot in the paint caused by the cables rubbing against the TT....when its a steel frame thats not good..I like 11:00 routing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    It is really personal preference.
    Riding SS makes one more likely to toss your rig on the shoulder and hike sections that can't be pedaled when needed.
    Interesting thing I've learned with the Piss Offs. The position is an option with them, at this point it is almost exactly 3 to 1, 11PM vs 7AM
    It does make the routing cleaner at the seat cluster too for disc applications as the routing then proceeds down the top of the seat stay...

    Brent
    My Surly KM is built the same way.......that answer makes a heck of a lot of sense.

    Thanks!

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    Good job! Given a bump!



    Wow... That frame is like a sploogin' dream! I want to give this thread a bump just so that we can see it more, and actually track the delivery of it!

    Question though... Any information or word on the pricing/delivery/options on it? Went to the website and didn't find anything.

    Final thought/??? would be how does the rumored Zion frame from Jenson look to stack up... I'd of course love the full zoot, but that as always is in direct conflict with my wallet!

    Final, final thought... 100% thumbs up on the Sportworks trailer hitch carrier! I've had mine for 1 year now and can't imagine a better way to carry bikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    Nope, I'm shooting for a price point here. It will be Aluminum

    Goal is frame, disc hubset, Phil eccentric for about $1500.
    The idea is for me to offer you a frame/bike with custom builder quality in standard sizes that includes our hubs and eccentric for a better price than they can. Something between the Bianchi/Kona/Haro and the Sycip/IF/Jericho...
    I'm doing so by having large quantities built at one time and taking smaller margins.
    Just to clarify, the package for 1500 will include the Hubset and BB? That seems like a great deal. I've been a fan of Phil hubs for years, and was thinking about building a SS wheelset around some for a Surly frame...I might just have to shell out $500 more to have a Phil frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    That's Andy's frame I believe. Very nice indeed.
    Yup, that's the puppy. It's lovely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    It has one of the best eccentrics and BBs I've ever seen ;^)
    It works really well too

    It's stood up to nearly a year's worth of fairly regular immersion in some of the UK's finest slurry and it still adjusts really easily and never slips.
    Don't you guys ever talk about anything apart from bikes?
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    For that matter...

    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    ....the round closed loops for several reasons. They look good, they don't require zip ties, and they work great for mech or hydro. I like three on the TT, two on the seat stay.

    I also prefer the 7 o'clock position for several reasons. Looks nice IMO, allows me to comfortably sit on the TT while resting, and it is nearly invisible from the driveside of the bike. But, I prefer the guides on the seat tube on the top of the tube, as opposed to the underside of the tube.

    The frames look fantastic. Thanks for not building any 29ers, I don't need any more frames to lust after:-)
    You could do round cable holders, and include inserts for those who don't wanna do full length housing. OTOH, if you run loop cable guildes, you have to break your hydro hoses to install your brakes, which is a major PITA for most.

    I recently blew up a Magura disc brake set with no replacement parts. I was happy that it was an easy change on my K2 to slap on my old Avid cable brakes by just snipping a few zip ties.

    On my old Trek 8500 that I converted to SS, they routed the rear brake cable inside the top tube. Same issue as far as hydro brakes go, but dang, it looks clean.

    Oh, and Brent.... congrats on the new frame. It looks really beautiful. I may have to kick down for one. Nice color.

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