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    Aluminum SS frame with horizontal dropouts?

    Anyone know of a company that makes these?

    Looking for a used SS frame that is lighter than steel, and has a reliable slider system. Seems like paragon and horizontal drops are the best options.

    Is salsa the only paragon maker? Any help on the alu horiz drop quest?

    Thanks a bunch.

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    Thats funny, as many premium butted steel frames tend to be lighter than comparable Aluminum models.

    I think Niner has had one or two models that meet your needs

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    Bianchi SOK has horizontal drop-outs. Not sure if they still make 'em but they show up in the classifieds on occasion.
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    You can get a new Gravity G29 with horizontal drop outs for $149...nothing special but fits your request.

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    On-One Scandal is the only one that I can think of at the moment.

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    Is that right? I assumed steel would always be heavier but smoother. So what light steel frames are out there?

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    If you're down for a 650b, Soma's first version of their B-side frame has horizontal drop-outs. The new version has sliders. I've got the first one and dig it.
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    Misfit Dissent is aluminum with sliders.
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    I have an 09 Binachi Sok. I paid $199 on eBay about 6 months ago. It uses easton ultralight tubing. Very light AL frame and it has track style dropouts.

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    The only other brand I've seen is Endorfin bikes they have 2 versions.

    Though they are in the UK.

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    Nashbar 29er SS..."Lightweight aluminum frame won't hold you back on the climbs". Overall, I wouldn't necessarily call it lightweight, but still a good bike for the price nonetheless.


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    My Nashbar 29er is a lot of fun!

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    If weight is your main concern, I'd broaden your search to steel as well. Steel frames at comparable prices are going to be pretty close weight wise. Rather than frame, focus on wheels. That's where weight will actually make a difference.

    Also, you're talking about track ends, not horizontal dropouts. I don't know of any modern mountain bikes with horiz. drops. Not trying to be nit-picky, but getting the terms right will give you more street cred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    IAlso, you're talking about track ends, not horizontal dropouts. I don't know of any modern mountain bikes with horiz. drops. Not trying to be nit-picky, but getting the terms right will give you more street cred.
    hmm...I always thought track ends were the same as horizontal dropouts. When the OP referred to "Paragon", aren't those called "sliding" dropouts? Also, there are plenty of modern MTBs with horizontal dropouts, such as Jabberwocky and Inbred.

    Oh, and the Niner SIR 9 is an example of a steel bike on the lighter side. However, it has an EBB, so that might disqualify it from the OPs list. My old Jabber was pretty light too.

    Track end / Horizontal drop out



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    Again, just nit-picky, but incorrect nonetheless. Pictures you posted are track ends, not "dropouts".

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    Swobo has the Folsom as a frame set. I've never seen one but the pic look good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    hmm...I always thought track ends were the same as horizontal dropouts. When the OP referred to "Paragon", aren't those called "sliding" dropouts?
    Paragon is a brand, aka Paragon Machine Works. They made horizontal dropouts/track ends long before the sliding dropouts:



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    Excellent, thanks for the clarifications!

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    OP, your post is sort of confusing in regards to dropouts.

    Do you want horizontal dropouts, aka track ends?

    Or do you want sliding dropouts, like the ones made by Paragon? (also made by other companies)

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    sliders are to disks as track ends are to Vs.

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    Mostly DJ frame is horizontal DO.

    Mine is sliding DO - the frame model is almost the same with Saracen ALX

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    Find a previous generation Santa Cruz Chameleon before they went to the EBB (pre-2009 or 2010 I think?) Mine's an '08 with thousands of miles of hard riding. It's done duty as a geared bike and the last 3 years as an SS. This frame is rediculously versatile, just like it's name- a chameleon. I guarantee you will not be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackspade View Post
    Mostly DJ frame is horizontal DO.

    Mine is sliding DO - the frame model is almost the same with Saracen ALX
    Holy cow! Does this means Polygon OEMs for SARACEN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaskaranddriver View Post
    sliders are to disks as track ends are to Vs.
    not necessarily...





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    every single picture you provided are sliders with discs....

    You can have track ends on discs, but they are a pain in the ass. The KHS Solo One (non SE version) had them. I'm pretty sure the Vassago Bandersnatch also has them. You pretty much need to go with bolt on rear wheels and you'll still have to play with brake caliper position to prevent rubbing.

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    Discs or v brakes really aren't a big deal with track ends. You've got to adjust v brakes if you move the wheels, which IMO is more time consuming vs releasing two bolts, lining up, tightening with discs. Either way, they're both easy to set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmallsol View Post
    every single picture you provided are sliders with discs....
    right you are... because i was responding to the following statement (which was quoted in the post): "sliders are to discs what track ends are to Vs" --- meaning sliders/discs have the same brake alignment issues that track ends and Vs have.

    i respectfully disagreed with 3002 words.

    Quote Originally Posted by asmallsol
    You can have track ends on discs, but they are a pain in the ass. The KHS Solo One (non SE version) had them. I'm pretty sure the Vassago Bandersnatch also has them. You pretty much need to go with bolt on rear wheels and you'll still have to play with brake caliper position to prevent rubbing.
    again i would respectfully disagree. over the years i've had countless frames with tracks/disc, and still have three in the stable -- an old skool 26" redline flight, surly km, and a jabber.

    loosening two bolts a turn or two to swing the caliper out of the way during a wheel change is not, imho, a p.i.t.a. or a hassle in the least. but each to his own opinion. it was only an issue to me when i was racing and a trailside repair must be done post haste.

    but even then if speed of wheel removal is of the essence (or one is simply just too lazy to loosen the two caliper bolts) then simply position the caliper so the disc can slide in and out of the it. you will still have plenty of pad contact for the rotor and unless you are going down a serious extended downhill you won't fade the brake beyond usage or even noticably. especially if you're using sintered pads.

    having run both QR and bolt-on wheels with track ends and discs i didn't find any extra need for playing with the brake caliper to prevent rubbing with the QR. either the caliper is positioned correctly or it isn't. the wheel fastening system has nothing to do with properly setting up a disc caliper.
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    I have track ends for my rear wheel and a disk brake with separate adjustment. When riding it's no different to any other system. When changing gear ratios or moving the rear wheel to compensate for a worn chain I might need to readjust the caliper. That's about it. A bit more work when doing stuff in that area, but certainly not a PITA in my use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoochild View Post
    Bianchi SOK has horizontal drop-outs. Not sure if they still make 'em but they show up in the classifieds on occasion.
    Not made anymore, looked good but never ridden one.

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    Swobo has the Folsom as a frame set. I've never seen one but the pic look good.

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    voodoo?

    newer voodoo's have alu frames with sliding drop outs. no personal experience of them but the fact that they are sold by halfords is surely balanced by the fact that they are designed by Joe Murray. ebay always seems to have a few going cheap

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    I thought that photo looked really familiar. It took a minute before I realized that it was my bike. The "track-ends" or horiz. dropouts on the Jabber with the bolt-on White Ind. hub has been 100% maintenance free for the entire summer. I've never had the chain creep even a little bit. The only thing I've had to deal with has been normal chain stretch. Even the disc brake setup on the Jabber has been rock solid. I mounted the calipers back in Feb or March and haven't had to touch them either.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post

    Jabber horizontal dropout

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Also, you're talking about track ends, not horizontal dropouts. I don't know of any modern mountain bikes with horiz. drops. Not trying to be nit-picky, but getting the terms right will give you more street cred.
    Some dingleberry neg repped me for this comment, stating "rear facing horizontal drop outs." Maybe he should also neg rep Sheldon Brown! Of course the coward didn't sign his rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Some dingleberry neg repped me for this comment, stating "rear facing horizontal drop outs." Maybe he should also neg rep Sheldon Brown! Of course the coward didn't sign his rep.
    don't feel bad, lots of people get neg repped for equally asinine things. for example, i got neg repped by tone's for asking him to edit/remove child exploitation material he reposted from someone he lambasted and said should be locked up for originally posting. at least he had the stones to sign it though.

    anon neg rep is the mtbr version of cowardly keying the car of an individual one is angry with or doesn't agree with. it's amazing how many thin skinned people there are on here. a lot of neg rep would not be tossed around if the giver was credited by default because few people have the stones to stand behind what they say. just like the teachers mentioned in "the happiest days of our lives" they are just seizing their only opportunity to feel powerful and in control.

    in the grand scheme of things it means nothing -- so don't sweat the gutless pansies who disagree with you and/or retaliate in such a manner.
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    I'm really digging the new Santa Cruz Highball frame with the swinging dropouts. Does anyone have any experience with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natedogz View Post
    Not made anymore, looked good but never ridden one.
    ...
    I had one, which is why I mentioned it. Though I prefer a steel frame, I rode the one I had alternating between it and the singular that I had at the time. I thought that I rode really well, and it was light, too. Just not my cup-o-tea in the end... They show up every so often in the classifieds and on cl.
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