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    '09 GF Rig vs. '09 Bianchi SOK

    Alright.... I am trying to decide between these two, and would like opinions....


    I can get the Rig locally for $1129 + tax and the Bianchi delivered for $999


    Anything that should lead me toward one and away from the other, or should I run from both?


    Thanks


    Rig ---> http://www.fisherbikes.com/bike/archivemodel/472


    SOK ---> http://www.bianchiusa.com/archives/0...b-perf-sok-ss/

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    Its probably worth the extra $130+tax to have a bike you have ridden and know works for you versus one you hope will...

    Between the two, I'd rather have the SOK, because I prefer the rear entry drops to EBB, but the GF arguably a better fork.

    Tough call, I bet you'll be happy with either...

    Anyone know why Bianchi stopped making their higher end mountain bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1035
    Its probably worth the extra $130+tax to have a bike you have ridden and know works for you versus one you hope will...

    Between the two, I'd rather have the SOK, because I prefer the rear entry drops to EBB, but the GF arguably a better fork.

    Tough call, I bet you'll be happy with either...

    Anyone know why Bianchi stopped making their higher end mountain bikes?
    Thanks for the post....

    I actually heard the "creaking" everyone talks about today (I've never had an EBB)....

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    Having the support of an lbs is a big plus, but I'd rather have the Bianchi. I'd probably sell off the Reba, and get a nice rigid fork for it too.

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    The Bianchi wins hands down! I have a Rita (same bike geo - different tubing).

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    A friend has a Rig, and the handling is weird. The front wants to plow in turns, very tough to keep straight in slow techy riding; it wants to keep turning tighter and tighter, so you have to fight it in twisty flowy conditions. I have two other friends who had Rigs and sold them,
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    The Bianchi wins hands down! I have a Rita (same bike geo - different tubing).

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    A friend has a Rig, and the handling is weird. The front wants to plow in turns, very tough to keep straight in slow techy riding; it wants to keep turning tighter and tighter, so you have to fight it in twisty flowy conditions. I have two other friends who had Rigs and sold them,
    You're the perfect person to bug (fellow Canzo rider!!!).....

    My trails are very technical with rapid climbs and descents..... There are some tight switchbacks as well..... (Markham Park in South Florida)

    Any issues with the bike at all??? How does it feel compared (geometry-wise) to the Canzo???

    I'm on a 20" Canzo and the SOK is a 19.5".... I figured the smaller SOK would be better for getting out of the seat to pedal.....


    Thanks in advance!!!!

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    Guess I'm the odd man out. I have a '10 Rig and I think it's the best-handling 29er I've owned (and I've had a few). I've mostly transitioned back to 26-inch wheels, but prefer the larger for SS.

    The Rig, to me, is very intuitive. It just goes where I point it. I put the Fox at 100mm and never looked back. I ride techy AZ trails and can't say enough about the handling. I'm not necessarily a GF fan, but I think the Rig is hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    Guess I'm the odd man out. I have a '10 Rig and I think it's the best-handling 29er I've owned (and I've had a few). I've mostly transitioned back to 26-inch wheels, but prefer the larger for SS.

    The Rig, to me, is very intuitive. It just goes where I point it. I put the Fox at 100mm and never looked back. I ride techy AZ trails and can't say enough about the handling. I'm not necessarily a GF fan, but I think the Rig is hard to beat.
    You were able to make the 80mm Fox into a 100mm, or did you buy a new fork????

    Thanks for your post......... I need all opinions........

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    Another voice for the G.F Rig , awesome handling , great low speed traits , turns in nice . To the OP , you can remove a travel spacer in your fork to get 100 mm travel .

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    GF builds some of the best handling 29er's on the planet. Can't comment on the Bianchi but if you take the time to dial in your Rig, I guarantee you will love the way that bike rides. For the $$, you can't beat a Rig, it can be run SS or geared, comes with a great fork and has a lifetime warranty on the frame. I think its one of the best deals going for a very capable MTB for under $1500.

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    + 1 on the GF Rig. I am curious about increasing the travel on the fox fork. I did not know that was possible. Just drop the lowers and remove a spacer? I assume it is on the spring side. This is my first 29er so I do not have much to compare to but I find it handles pretty good compared to my 6" dually. I find I can descend fairly well on it and I haven't had it that long. I did go w/ a 20 tooth cog on the rear so it was a bit more managable on the steep stuff.

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    Thanks everyone for the input.... Now, I really want to know about the fork travel....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD33
    You're the perfect person to bug (fellow Canzo rider!!!).....

    My trails are very technical with rapid climbs and descents..... There are some tight switchbacks as well..... (Markham Park in South Florida)

    Any issues with the bike at all??? How does it feel compared (geometry-wise) to the Canzo???

    I'm on a 20" Canzo and the SOK is a 19.5".... I figured the smaller SOK would be better for getting out of the seat to pedal.....


    Thanks in advance!!!!
    Note that I ride the Bianchi rigid (22.5 lbs!). I did ride it with the 100mm Reba that it was designed to use, but my Inbred was rigid, and with the Canzo, I love the contrast.

    Maybe the Rigs have change geometry, the one I rode was an 08, loaned to me by the Trek demo rep who lives here. I took it out in two different types of terrain, and it was just a fight to turn, and the front wheel kept plowing and washing out on me (I put my Arch tubeless wheels on for the second ride for a fair comparison). I was considering buying it, since he was selling it at $350.

    A coworker bought the Rig, and is now looking for a different frame, since he has the same frustration with the steering. The Rig has the Reba at 80mm, and removing the spacer will lengthen it to 100mm. He did that and it made the handling worse. I guess some of us like the G2 geometry and some of us do not.

    Hollywood22, try to ride the Rig and see what you think. If you can get it on a dirt road or better yet, single track with some switchbacks, you will see if the front pushes or plows. Handling wise, the Bianchi is quicker than the Canzo of course, but I do not feel that it requires a major adjustment from the Canzo. It goes to the same places, just slower.

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    The 08-'10 Rigs come with a Fox F29 RL, so if you demoed one with a Reba, it was likely pre-G2. I have a Rig with the Fox fork extended to 100 mm (just removed a spacer) and I also added the Fox remote lock out. I like the way the bike rides with this set up. I also ride the rig as a SS or a 1x9, depending on the ride. i relaced the rear wheel to a 9 speed hub, added the derailleur hanger and use a X9 shifter and shortcage derailleur. it's prety easy to go back and forth, maybe 1/2 hour tops. It seems like the Rig is the more versatile bike between the 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdiddy
    The 08-'10 Rigs come with a Fox F29 RL, so if you demoed one with a Reba, it was likely pre-G2. I have a Rig with the Fox fork extended to 100 mm (just removed a spacer) and I also added the Fox remote lock out. I like the way the bike rides with this set up. I also ride the rig as a SS or a 1x9, depending on the ride. i relaced the rear wheel to a 9 speed hub, added the derailleur hanger and use a X9 shifter and shortcage derailleur. it's prety easy to go back and forth, maybe 1/2 hour tops. It seems like the Rig is the more versatile bike between the 2.
    Slocaus ---- Beautiful pics as always, and thank you for the post....... I did get a chance to ride the 09 Rig but unfortunately, it was in the parking lot....

    It is very difficult to get a "trail feeling" that way.... I am still torn.....

    Kdiddy ---- It was a 09 Rig with the 80mm Fox F29 RL.... I like the 1x9 option of the Rig as well... Tough I have a 2x9 Voodoo Canzo F/S, I like having the option of throwing gears on the Rig later....



    About the Fox.... You are 110% sure the 20mm spacer trick can be done with this fork? One of my concerns was the 80mm.........


    Again, thank you guys............

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    Yes, you (or the shop you buy it from) can simply remove the spacer to run the Fox at 100mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    Yes, you (or the shop you buy it from) can simply remove the spacer to run the Fox at 100mm.
    Awesome.... Thanks!

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    My 2010 Rig is supposed to show up this Saturday. I will let you know how I like it when it gets here. I got it used off of ebay, it looks to be in good shape and came with a ton of carbon goodness upgrades. The seller seems like a pretty cool dude from our e-mails, keeping my fingers crossed that its in good shape.

    I ended up going with a 17.5" even though word on the internets says they run small, but based on the specs it says that the cockpit is 692 mm, which is about 10 mm longer than my GT Karakoram SS conversion, and 30 mm longer than my Enduro both of which fit me pretty nice(BTW I am 5' 11").

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    Quote Originally Posted by JesseSolo
    My 2010 Rig is supposed to show up this Saturday. I will let you know how I like it when it gets here. I got it used off of ebay, it looks to be in good shape and came with a ton of carbon goodness upgrades. The seller seems like a pretty cool dude from our e-mails, keeping my fingers crossed that its in good shape.

    I ended up going with a 17.5" even though word on the internets says they run small, but based on the specs it says that the cockpit is 692 mm, which is about 10 mm longer than my GT Karakoram SS conversion, and 30 mm longer than my Enduro both of which fit me pretty nice(BTW I am 5' 11").
    Cool.... I usually ride a 20" Voodoo Canzo 29er..........

    The 17.5" Rig actually felt good... I was thinking right away it would be too small, but it wasn't.... At least it felt good in my parking lot trial..........

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    Went with the Rig........... Thanks for all the input..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD33
    Went with the Rig........... Thanks for all the input..............

    Out of curiosity, what pushed you towards the rig?

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    Sweet. Be sure to give us a review of the bike once you spend some time on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonw9
    Out of curiosity, what pushed you towards the rig?
    LBS support vs. internet deal.....


    LBS dropped price another $100 plus threw in a free rear 20T cog and gave me 1/2 price on new SPD pedals....


    I had ridden the Rig (parking lot only) and I liked the way it felt....


    Fox fork (especially since I found out how to go from 80mm --> 100mm rather easily)...


    Tubeless ready wheels/tires already on the Rig...


    Lifetime frame warranty...

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    My rig showed up in the mail today. So far I am pretty stoked. I took it on a quick muddy spin around my house once I got it assembled. The thing that struck me most is how great the 29" wheel felt, especially with the rear tire tubeless. This is my first 29er and first tubless bike. I have a hill down the street from my house that is as nasty as they come, gravelly, steep, rutted, lots of round cobbles, even on my enduro it bounces me around and makes me take heed. I started out and immediately understood why the xdx tires get luke warm reviews, the rear was sliding all over the place with no side lugs. About mid way down I decided to open her up and see what she would do. I was amazed at the compliant ride. The best part was running through deep ruts, what would normally have me puckered up with a 26er seemed very noticeably smoother. Small rocks that would have me bouncing around on my 26er hardtail didn't diviate my course with the Rig. It felt like I had about 2" of rear travel.

    Going uphill was also noticably bettter. I could clean sections without even trying that normally take alot of effort and steering with my 26er.

    I am sold. I wouldn't have said so yesterday, but I am a huge fan of the 29er.

    By the way, the 17.5" 2010 weighs 24.8 lbs with cane creek headset, carbon seatpost, monkeylite bar, and carbon cranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JesseSolo
    My rig showed up in the mail today. So far I am pretty stoked. I took it on a quick muddy spin around my house once I got it assembled. The thing that struck me most is how great the 29" wheel felt, especially with the rear tire tubeless. This is my first 29er and first tubless bike. I have a hill down the street from my house that is as nasty as they come, gravelly, steep, rutted, lots of round cobbles, even on my enduro it bounces me around and makes me take heed. I started out and immediately understood why the xdx tires get luke warm reviews, the rear was sliding all over the place with no side lugs. About mid way down I decided to open her up and see what she would do. I was amazed at the compliant ride. The best part was running through deep ruts, what would normally have me puckered up with a 26er seemed very noticeably smoother. Small rocks that would have me bouncing around on my 26er hardtail didn't diviate my course with the Rig. It felt like I had about 2" of rear travel.

    Going uphill was also noticably bettter. I could clean sections without even trying that normally take alot of effort and steering with my 26er.

    I am sold. I wouldn't have said so yesterday, but I am a huge fan of the 29er.

    By the way, the 17.5" 2010 weighs 24.8 lbs with cane creek headset, carbon seatpost, monkeylite bar, and carbon cranks.
    Those XDX tires were giving me fits when trying to climb yesterday....... They slip and slide all over......... Congrats!!!


    BTW.... Unless someone made your set-up tubeless, I believe they are tubeless "ready".... You still need the Bontrager kit and sealant.......


    I could be wrong though.... Just a heads-up.....

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    The previous owner converted the rear to tubeless. It was my first experience with them. I was amazed how easy it was to seat the tire, just a few good shots from my floor pump along with some wiggling of the tire and it seated right up. I bought the rim strip and valve stem to convert the front too, but I think I will wait till I get a set of Nevegals on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JesseSolo
    The previous owner converted the rear to tubeless. It was my first experience with them. I was amazed how easy it was to seat the tire, just a few good shots from my floor pump along with some wiggling of the tire and it seated right up. I bought the rim strip and valve stem to convert the front too, but I think I will wait till I get a set of Nevegals on there.

    Unless the Nevegals are tubless ready you will play hell getting them to seal .

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    Maybe you guys can give me some advice on this, I am a total rookie when it comes to tubeless. With the Duster rims they are labeled as TLR, which I am guessing is Bontragers fancy way of stating that they are UST. Is this correct? Has anybody had any luck with mounting 29er Nevegals on a duster rim, is there a specific model that you should use to do the job? Is a UST tire the correct type to mount on the Duster for tubeless applications? This is my first new bike in 5 years and it amazes me how much new technology is on it, headset, bottom bracket (EXO I think), rims, its hard to decifer all the new lingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JesseSolo
    Maybe you guys can give me some advice on this, I am a total rookie when it comes to tubeless. With the Duster rims they are labeled as TLR, which I am guessing is Bontragers fancy way of stating that they are UST. Is this correct? Has anybody had any luck with mounting 29er Nevegals on a duster rim, is there a specific model that you should use to do the job? Is a UST tire the correct type to mount on the Duster for tubeless applications? This is my first new bike in 5 years and it amazes me how much new technology is on it, headset, bottom bracket (EXO I think), rims, its hard to decifer all the new lingo.
    TLR is Tube Less Ready. Word is that TLR is UST spec for the rim bead seat, but not paying the Mavic cost for certification. UST also involves a layer of rubber in the sidewalls to make them air tight, but that adds weight. There are only two or three UST tires for 29ers.

    Many of us are using none UST or TLR or tubeless whatever, i.e. regular tires with Stan't NoTubes sealant. I have mounted Nevegals on Stan's Arch rims and a few others, and then tend to weep through the more porous sidewalls. You just have to let them lay on each side longer to let them seal, that is what the Stans' solution does. Mine took a couple days to hold air.

    You can also use the advanced search feature and look for "tubeless" in the 29er forum and find tons and tons of information, much specific to the Bontrager system. Here is one link to get you started.
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    Agreed. The Dusters are a snap to set up tubeless, particularly with the Bonty strips and valves. However, Nevegals in my experience (most Kenda tires, for that matter) are a b!tch to get sealed. They weep through the sidewalls. You'll have better success with many other brands (Maxxis, WTB, Pana, Geax, etc.)

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    Sweet, thanks man that was very informative.

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    FWIW , Bontrager has some pretty good tires that are tubeless ready , easy to set up , dont require sealant although most people use sealant for the extra measure of protection .

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